Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1280

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Ninja Gaiden Ryu is way out of Ethan Hunt's paygrade. I don't really understand why these movie characters keep getting brought up as if they'd be worth a damn?

Forget Ninja Gaiden Ryu or Street Fighter Ryu ; I'd even take Breath of Fire Ryu over Ethan Hunt, with confidence. You'd have to go pretty far down on the Ryu scale to find a Ryu that Ethan Hunt could beat.
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It's basically Tom Cruise vs a videogame character.

I don't think Tom Cruise is really that popular nowadays.

Oh okay I was asking in light of the new Mission: Impossible movie.
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XIII_rocks posted...

would probably still go with Ryu tbh

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So many of these fictional characters would lose to Guybrush Threepwood.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I asked because Mission: Impossible is a much more relevant franchise than Ninja Gaiden right now - with a lot of movie characters you can't really say that. Like, Die Hard hasn't been a particularly relevant franchise since the '90s, so it makes sense John McClane would be weak.

Best LMS quote ever!!!
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I'd vote Bruce WIllis over Tom Cruise any day.

Should postpone the contest until all the Smash characters are revealed.
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King Mickey (KH) should get into the bracket to test the waters.

Mickey vs. Frog, who wins?
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hello

I think @SBAllen is waiting for FF7R to be released before starting this contest.
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SwiftyDC posted...

King Mickey (KH) should get into the bracket to test the waters.

Mickey vs. Frog, who wins?

My gut says Mickey

But we also live in a sad reality so
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Who likes Mickey? Give me Donald or even better Goofy!
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https://imgur.com/a/MPdHSGl
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I feel Mickey would suffer a bit from Pac-Man syndrome. He'll defeat unknown characters, but once he goes up against someone well-known I he'll fold.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2071-zebes-division-round-1-riku-vs-frog
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2865-division-1-round-1-axel-frog-samus-kerrigan

If previous Frog/KH showdowns are anything to go by, it'd be a great match!

With CT's strong showing in 2015, Frog feels like the right choice over any KH character besides Sora. Maybe I'd reconsider that if it happens Character Battle XI or later, since KHIII will be out by then.
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charmander6000 posted...

I feel Mickey would suffer a bit from Pac-Man syndrome. He'll defeat unknown characters, but once he goes up against someone well-known I he'll fold.

tbqh I think that's most of the characters we'd get from an "anything goes character battle"

even Batman and Superman would not do too great here, they'd be high midcarders but I think I'd take Mega Man over Batman
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Nah, I expect KH characters to be stronger this year than they've been in years now that KH3 hype is finally a very real thing.
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If only leon could be revealed already
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I know its a long shot but imagine if KH3 has a Star Wars world, or MARVEL/Lego world, or finally a FF world (unless I missed something in the 3DS games).
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There won't be an FF world because the FF characters already have a "home world" they come from in the series.
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SwiftyDC posted...

I know its a long shot but imagine if KH3 has a Star Wars world, or MARVEL/Lego world, or finally a FF world (unless I missed something in the 3DS games).

I read in an interview once that Nomura contacts Disney every time they buy something and asks "can i have it too" and he says the response is different every time

I'm thinking Star Wars and Marvel licenses are too hard to get (EA has exclusive rights for Star Wars and Marvel is weird about letting you keep their license for too long ala Konami and Activision) so I doubt we'll see them even though it would be cool
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Trying to think what Soras weapons would be. Definitely a lightsaber for Star Wars, badass. A keylord super power, idk for Marvel.

FF you battle with a moogle, as a Mage, with a staff keyblade.
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When is KHIII coming out anyway? I've been hearing from it since like 2015/2016 or something.
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Currently set for January 2019.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Currently set for January 2019.

So basically a PS5 launch title in November 2020
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no
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If the game was moved to the PS5, it wouldn't be out by 2020.
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Nathan Drake vs. Wonder Woman who wins?
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Finally got around to adding the recent Metroid 1/Zelda 1 playrate polls to the Board 8 wiki. It also occurred to me that I never added the Metroid 1 playrate polls from 2015/2017, so those were added as well.

Metroid 1 finished with a playrate of 63.98% in its most recent poll, although the all-time high was 64.14% in the 2017 poll.

Zelda 1 finished with a playrate of 74.83%, which is about 2% lower than the highest recorded playrate. Although it's worth noting that this poll asked if you have beaten the game, where as the previous Zelda 1 polls asked if you ever played it. The poll question could have affected the results somewhat, but this "beaten" poll was counted as a playrate poll because the poll included options for people who have played the game but never managed to beat the game.

Updated the Wiki page on playrate:

https://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Have_You_Played
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Thinking about the last games contest, many of us were down on Melee beating Chrono Trigger because we enjoyed seeing Chrono Trigger crush everything in sight. Considering GameFAQs' reputation across much of the rest of the Internet for being in love with old RPGs, especially from Square, I don't think it's that hard to imagine Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII being easy to rally against.

The problem is that us who follow these contests know that Nintendo has dominated contests for a long time so Melee winning just appeared to be a return to the status quo. Tell that to anyone else.

Personally I don't think Chrono Trigger would have lost to Melee "normally" in any hypothetical games contest held since the site started holding contests. Even Ulti admits CT would have destroyed Melee without the latter's rallies. So at worst Chrono Trigger would have probably gotten like 52% on Melee in 2009 if they had clashed that contest. I hope I don't have to reiterate why I ultimately went with Chrono Trigger beating Final Fantasy X and Melee.

Besides, Melee is a game with a thriving tournament scene after so long. It kind of deserves the extra contest strength from rallies.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

If the game was moved to the PS5, it wouldn't be out by 2020.

I still believe a ps5 is announced 2019 e3 for a November 2020 release
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FlyingForever posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

If the game was moved to the PS5, it wouldn't be out by 2020.

I still believe a ps5 is announced 2019 e3 for a November 2020 release

PS5 in November 2020 is doable, PS5 version of KH3 is not.
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There is no way CT would have lost to Melee.

To think that Chrono Trigger, even at its weakest, might very well have been stronger than any game released after 1998...

Just to reiterate, I picked CT over Melee and FFX because a close loss to Mario 64 in BGE2 looked better to me than close losses to Brawl and Majora's Mask in GOTD. I'm pretty sure we'd take Mario 64 over Majora's Mask, right?
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CT was a totally different beast in that last tournament. I have no idea where that power surge came from. The reality is that Melee BARELY beat it WITH a pretty big rally.

Well I think Chrono Trigger would have beaten Melee in 2009 too.

It just looked like a "different beast" because this was the first contest where it got to go up against games that came out after 1997.
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FlyingForever posted...

I still believe a ps5 is announced 2019 e3 for a November 2020 release

KH3 isn't getting delayed a second time just so it can be a PS5 launch title. KH3 was already delayed once, and it would reflect very badly on Square Enix if they delayed it again.
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I don't think it will be a PS5 launch title, but it could definitely have an immediate release on it, like a Special Edition or something.
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Well, I'm sure there will be a "Final Mix" of some sort since the major games have had one, so it wouldn't surprise me if it popped up on PS5.
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Can't believe the PS4 is coming up to 5 years old. Still feels like the thing is only just getting going.
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Time to start the nom rally for Sir Fartbutt.
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Moonroof posted...

CT was a totally different beast in that last tournament. I have no idea where that power surge came from. The reality is that Melee BARELY beat it WITH a pretty big rally.

I think it's just a matter of the demographics of the site shifting with vote totals being down so much, and that the remaining audience was much more likely to be someone that adores a Super Nintendo classic like Chrono Trigger, while people that were leaving or primarily accessing the site via Google searches being much more likely to be newer gamers that would not be familiar with CT in general. After all, it wasn't just Chrono that was defying expectations. The entire SNES library across the board overachieved the entire contest, whether it was Super Metroid scaring the hell out of Majora's Mask, or underdogs like DKC2 and Earthbound pulling upsets in Round 1 (not a single SNES game lost in the first round), or Super Mario RPG taking advantage of a underwhelming quarter of the bracket to sneak into the semis.

Combine that with Team Chrono's horrid luck in the last few character battles, and the small possibility that those loses to Missingno. and Pikachu actually hiding Crono's real strength as opposed to being a sign of a drop in popularity for CT. Were the rumors of CT's death greatly exaggerated?

What we saw in 2015 might have just been Chrono Trigger on a SNES nostalgia fever dream, combined with the usual bad luck not hitting CT until Round 4, instead of hitting it in the first two rounds like before.
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Like I said, that was the first games contest where Chrono Trigger got to go up against games that came out after 1997. We don't really have a good idea where the SNES giants stood relative to newer games before 2015.

What games in GOTD would you have taken over Super Metroid prior to 2015?
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Nobody was giving Super Metroid a great deal of respect prior to 2015 because it almost lost to Super Mario Kart twice in 2009 and then ran into Link to the Past to make it impossible to get a fair comparison with anything outside of its era. Super Mario Kart is probably a good midcarder - maybe better than people were giving it credit for? - but very unlikely to be some secret beast, and it sure as hell wouldn't be able to beat (or at least come very close to beating) every single game from the 2000's like Super Metroid apparently can now.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Pikachu actually hiding Crono's real strength as opposed to being a sign of a drop in popularity for CT.

not sure how much strength Pikachu hid because he still got over 47% there, so even if you took Magus out of the poll, there was still a good chance Crono would've lost
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Nobody was giving Super Metroid a great deal of respect prior to 2015 because it almost lost to Super Mario Kart twice in 2009 and then ran into Link to the Past to make it impossible to get a fair comparison with anything outside of its era. Super Mario Kart is probably a good midcarder - maybe better than people were giving it credit for? - but very unlikely to be some secret beast, and it sure as hell wouldn't be able to beat (or at least come very close to beating) every single game from the 2000's like Super Metroid apparently can now.

Would you have taken Oblivion over Super Metroid in 2010?
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Been thinking... How likely is it that Fox gets rallied because of Melee's resurgence? That's arguably the most popular Melee character, so I don't know if it at least gets a boost in popularity.
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