Current Events > School shooting stats hyper inflated, shows NPR research

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https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

U.S. Education Department reported that in the 2015-2016 school year, "nearly 240 schools . . . "
We were able to confirm just 11 reported incidents, either directly with schools or through media reports.

Also, per their(school's) guess, stuff like incidents with scissors were misscoded as shootings. LOL
Toy cap guns . . . paintball guns . . . it's fucking pathetic.
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This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.
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I agree but no side has their hands clean on this, Republicans block funds and studies for research on gun violence.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I agree but no side has their hands clean on this, Republicans block funds and studies for research on gun violence.

Republicans definitely aren't compromising enough on gun control issue, but the other side is the one that expresses absolute elation whenever a mass shooting happens, because that's their chance to show the world what a shitty evil place the United States is and how shitty and evil white people are. At least republicans have some incentive to prevent the violence from happening.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Who is trying to control the citizens specifically

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Wut

Mass shootings keep occuring and no one is disarmed, more people are buying guns and the authorities want to arm teachers,

Your conspiracy theory is insane

Annihilated posted...

but the other side is the one that expresses absolute elation whenever a mass shooting happens, because that's their chance to show the world what a shitty evil place the United States is and how shitty and evil white people are.

Sigless user logic. Its not elation, it's conern.

And going "Stop trying to show how evil the US is!" is so damn lazy. The US is the only nation with a mass shooting problem, there is no way to talk about or solve it without making the US sound bad.

You can't escape that
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shockthemonkey posted...

Yeah this is good to know, although this info did come out immediately after the claim that there were hundreds of shootings. Nice to see NPR follow up on it extensively.

I believe the narrative at the time was that they were including college suicides or something. This is a different stat.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I agree but no side has their hands clean on this, Republicans block funds and studies for research on gun violence.

The problem with that is that the left's response to gun violence is "ban guns" which alienates the people who would otherwise be reasonable. Because they see what the left really wants wrt firearms and are afraid to go down any slippery slope that would result in a ban / confiscation.

The ball is entirely in the left's court right now.

What's really interesting with the gun debate is how Islamic terrorism is basically the same thing statistically speaking yet both sides completely flip-flop their perspective on whether or not it happens enough to justify banning it.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The ball is entirely in the left's court right now.

Wut

The Government is entirely controlled by Republicans...
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Annihilated posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I agree but no side has their hands clean on this, Republicans block funds and studies for research on gun violence.

Republicans definitely aren't compromising enough on gun control issue, but the other side is the one that expresses absolute elation whenever a mass shooting happens, because that's their chance to show the world what a shitty evil place the United States is and how shitty and evil white people are. At least republicans have some incentive to prevent the violence from happening.

School shootings lead to calls for gun control, which lead to paranoia amongst gun owners, which leads to people buying more guns and ammo, which leads to more profits for arms companies.

Republicans have all the incentive to make as many mass shootings as possible happen. Each one is a big payday.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The ball is entirely in the left's court right now.

Wut

The Government is entirely controlled by Republicans...

I think his point is the GOP is arguing from the position of maintaining the status quo.
If the Dems want more gun control, there needs to be give and take, versus just take. If they're not willing to meet half way on national carry, there's no reason for the Repubs to pass stricter background checks.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The ball is entirely in the left's court right now.

Wut

The Government is entirely controlled by Republicans...

I think his point is the GOP is arguing from the position of maintaining the status quo.
If the Dems want more gun control, there needs to be give and take, versus just take. If they're not willing to meet half way on national carry, there's no reason for the Repubs to pass stricter background checks.

Indeed, although you shouldn't waste time on UnfairRepresent. His gimmick is literally in his username.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Yup.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The ball is entirely in the left's court right now.

Wut

The Government is entirely controlled by Republicans...

Don't expect someone who posts anti-vax stuff to understand complex topics.
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I mean 11 school shooting incidents in a year is still too dang many.

But glad to know its not sign of the end times bad I guess
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I am shocked. Shocked!

Well, not that shocked.
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Wariodorf posted...

So who is trying to control the citizens?

Authoritarians of all political stripes. Fascists, communists, paternalistic assholes that think they know better than the proles.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Wariodorf posted...

So who is trying to control the citizens?

Authoritarians of all political stripes. Fascists, communists, paternalistic assholes that think they know better than the proles.

What will they do after theyve succeeded in taking away all the guns?
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Well duh
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Wariodorf posted...

So who is trying to control the citizens?

Authoritarians of all political stripes. Fascists, communists, paternalistic assholes that think they know better than the proles.

Careful you might offend Warioderp by calling out commies too
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The ball is entirely in the left's court right now.

Wut

The Government is entirely controlled by Republicans...

I think his point is the GOP is arguing from the position of maintaining the status quo.
If the Dems want more gun control, there needs to be give and take, versus just take. If they're not willing to meet half way on national carry, there's no reason for the Repubs to pass stricter background checks.

Wut

That makes no sense

"If they're not willing to do whatever the fuck I want then we should continue policies we know result in needless mass death"

That's not how logic or compromise works.
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That's an interesting article. Makes me wonder how true the other data collected in the survey is accurate.
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tagged Warioderp
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clearaflagrantj posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Who is trying to control the citizens specifically

FLUFFYGERM posted...

because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

LOL if you think the US fucking A would have any trouble controlling its population, armed or not, that's a complete impossible slaughter. This aint 1800.
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Ving_Rhames posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

LOL if you think the US fucking A would have any trouble controlling its population, armed or not, that's a complete impossible slaughter. This aint 1800.

You're not entirely wrong but you're not entirely correct either.

Fluffygrem is correct in saying " it is much easier to control a population that is not armed."
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Only reason people stockpile massive amounts of gun is so they can kill brown people if/when society collapses. None of these people actually believe they would stand a chance against the military.

FursonaNonGrata posted...

Only reason people stockpile massive amounts of gun is so they can kill brown people if/when society collapses.

Wow.

There you have it folks. Full-on derangement syndrome as a result of the liberal pathogen.
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Imagine being such a toxic and dishonest individual that you still parrot that bullshit non-argument about the military as if it has any merit.

The military would split into multiple factions composed of citizens who are pro 2nd amendment. In fact most of the military is pro 2nd amendment. The military as a whole would not be fighting against citizens in open warfare, and any remaining military force opposed to the citizenry would have to engage in guerrilla warfare.

Which has been shown to be highly effective even against modern military equipment. It's why Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq weren't cake walks.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The military would split into multiple factions composed of citizens who are pro 2nd amendment. In fact most of the military is pro 2nd amendment. The military as a whole would not be fighting against citizens in open warfare, and any remaining military force opposed to the citizenry would have to engage in guerrilla warfare.

Imagine being such a toxic and dishonest individual that you still parrot that bullshit non-argument about the military as if it has any merit.

FursonaNonGrata posted...

Imagine being such a toxic and dishonest individual that you still parrot that bulls*** non-argument about the military as if it has any merit.

See you didn't even try you're just being a shitty troll.
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The most recent mass shooting was not a school shooting. Numerous have not been school shootings.

What is with the timing of this?

Roshon posted...

The most recent mass shooting was not a school shooting. Numerous have not been school shootings.

What is with the timing of this?

NPR is secret pawns on NRA!

Or actual research requires time and energy, an editorial process, journalistic integrity and ethics.

Why are you conflating mass shootings with school shootings though? Sometimes there's overlap, sometimes not.
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I love it when people get aggressively defeatist about the idea of armed revolution.

It's like they completely forgot we're still fighting poorly armed and trained cave people in the desert.

Replace them with the most heavily armed civilian populace in the world, and spread them out across our vast country with all variety of terrain, and you think our military would do better? You're as naive as the fools who thought after 9/11 that we'd be in and out of the Middle East and insisted it's totally not an unwinnable quagmire of never ending guerrilla warfare against the terror organization du jour filling the power vacuum we created.
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can't believe npr was infiltrated by the russians
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clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Who is trying to control the citizens specifically

@FLUFFYGERM

AlephZero posted...

can't believe npr was infiltrated by the russians

So when NPR doesn't confirm you political / agenda bias; they're infiltrated by "Russians" now!?!
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clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Who is trying to control the citizens specifically

So you truly believe the opposite?
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HypnoCoosh posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Who is trying to control the citizens specifically

So you truly believe the opposite?

Who is trying to control the citizens

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Rare would be if they occurred once a decade. Or even once a year. They are not rare in the USA by any stretch.

Tbh, Trump supporters should be disarmed. They can't even be trusted or responsible with a ballot, more or less a deadly weapon.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

This is because there is an obvious and concerted movement to disarm the citizens, because it is much easier to control a population that is not armed.

Mass shootings are actually extremely rare. Far more people die from vehicles and IIRC even pit bull attacks.

Who is trying to control the citizens specifically

So you truly believe the opposite?

Who is trying to control the citizens

Individuals that think they know what's best or think they can profit from it.
There are no cabals, it's more like 400m people each working their own agenda, sometimes aligning with other's agendas and succeeding locally, statewide, nationally.

But another answer, is everyone. That's what government is. That's what laws are.
You don't form a political party to not try to control things.
Democrats are trying to control people. (And in this case, justice dems are hitting the anti-gun bandwagon pretty hard.)
Republicans are trying to control people.
Green is trying to control people.
Libertarians are trying to control people.
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oh boy, time to get ready to update my Neo Nazi tags
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Heard this on the radio. Some mistakes included:

- kid brandished a pair of scissors. Reported as gun
- coding errors. Whoopsy?
- putting the number in the wrong column
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I remember at th beginning of the year in January there were reportedly 18 school shootings. But they were counting incidents like;

-a boy went into the bathroom and shot himself.

-A boy had a gun in his backpack that accidentally went off, but hit no one.

-Discovering bullet damage to a brick one day.

Sure those are all unfortunate incidents, but should hardly be in the same category as Columbine.
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