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ThanksUglyGod 08/29/18 11:24:27 AM #1:	https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/201-facebook-political-diversity/a8dfe9ae492061f54455/optimized/full.pdf#page=1 We Have a Problem with Political Diversity THE PROBLEM We are a political monoculture thats intolerant of different views. We claim to welcome all perspectives, but are quick to attackoften in mobsanyone who presents a view that appears to be in opposition to left-leaning ideology. We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas. We do this so consistently that employees are afraid to say anything when they disagree with whats around them politically. HR has told me that this is not a rare concern, and Ive personally gotten over a hundred messages to that effect. Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they not their ideas will be attacked. They know that all the talk of openness to different perspectives does not apply to causes of social justice, immigration, diversity, and equality. On this issues, you can either keep quiet or sacrifice your reputation and career. These are not fears without cause. Because we tear down posters welcoming Trump supporters. We regularly propose removing Thiel from our board because he supported Trump. Were quick to suggest firing people who turn out to be misunderstood, and even quicker to conclude our colleagues are bigots. We have made All Lives Matter a fireable offense. We put Palmer Luckey through a witch hunt because he paid for anti-Hillary ads. We write each other ad-hoc feedback in the PSC tool for having offensive ideas. We ask HR to investigate those who dare to criticize Islams human rights record for creating a non inclusive environment. And they called me a transphobe when I called out our corporate art for being politically radical. WHY THIS MATTERS This is not okay. Not just for our internal culture, but for our own viability as a company. While the problem isnt unique to us, we are entrusted by a great part of the world to be impartial and transparent carriers of peoples stories, ideas, and commentary. Congress doesnt think we can do this. The President doesnt think we can do this. And like them or not, we deserve that criticism. We are blind to and dismissive of what people beyond our walls (let alone even within our walls) think about complex issues that matter. Ive been here for nearly 6.5 years and this has gotten exponentially worse in the last 2. FBers for Political Diversity I dont know how to fix this problem on my own. What I do know is that these issues cant be fixed if we continue to be isolated and silent. So thats what this group is for: (a) to be a space where you can talk about these issues without fear of the mob, and in the process (b) to talk about how we can fix this. If youre interested in helping make Facebook a company thats more tolerant and active-minded about different political and ideological perspectives, join FBers for Political Diversity. Theres only going to be one core rule in the group, and its that if you attack a persons character, rather than their ideas, you will be banned. Lets see where this goes. tl;dr: About 100 Facebook employees start/join an internal employee group calling for more acceptance of conservative viewpoints and not shutting out the company's conservative executives. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:907750320] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/201-facebook-political-diversity/a8dfe9ae492061f54455/optimized/full.pdf#page=1 <quote>We Have a Problem with Political Diversity THE PROBLEM We are a political monoculture thats intolerant of different views. We claim to welcome all perspectives, but are quick to attackoften in mobsanyone who presents a view that appears to be in opposition to left-leaning ideology. We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas. We do this so consistently that employees are afraid to say anything when they disagree with whats around them politically. HR has told me that this is not a rare concern, and Ive personally gotten over a hundred messages to that effect. Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they not their ideas will be attacked. They know that all the talk of openness to different perspectives does not apply to causes of social justice, immigration, diversity, and equality. On this issues, you can either keep quiet or sacrifice your reputation and career. These are not fears without cause. Because we tear down posters welcoming Trump supporters. We regularly propose removing Thiel from our board because he supported Trump. Were quick to suggest firing people who turn out to be misunderstood, and even quicker to conclude our colleagues are bigots. We have made All Lives Matter a fireable offense. We put Palmer Luckey through a witch hunt because he paid for anti-Hillary ads. We write each other ad-hoc feedback in the PSC tool for having offensive ideas. We ask HR to investigate those who dare to criticize Islams human rights record for creating a non inclusive environment. And they called me a transphobe when I called out our corporate art for being politically radical. WHY THIS MATTERS This is not okay. Not just for our internal culture, but for our own viability as a company. While the problem isnt unique to us, we are entrusted by a great part of the world to be impartial and transparent carriers of peoples stories, ideas, and commentary. Congress doesnt think we can do this. The President doesnt think we can do this. And like them or not, we deserve that criticism. We are blind to and dismissive of what people beyond our walls (let alone even within our walls) think about complex issues that matter. Ive been here for nearly 6.5 years and this has gotten exponentially worse in the last 2. FBers for Political Diversity I dont know how to fix this problem on my own. What I do know is that these issues cant be fixed if we continue to be isolated and silent. So thats what this group is for: (a) to be a space where you can talk about these issues without fear of the mob, and in the process (b) to talk about how we can fix this. If youre interested in helping make Facebook a company thats more tolerant and active-minded about different political and ideological perspectives, join FBers for Political Diversity. Theres only going to be one core rule in the group, and its that if you attack a persons character, rather than their ideas, you will be banned. Lets see where this goes. </quote> tl;dr: About 100 Facebook employees start/join an internal employee group calling for more acceptance of conservative viewpoints and not shutting out the company's conservative executives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 08/29/18 7:24:19 PM #2:	We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas. Theres only going to be one core rule in the group, and its that if you attack a persons character, rather than their ideas, you will be banned. Bump for Night CE. I spent the last 30 min typing of walls of text nobody was gonna read, so lemme just hear your thoughts and we'll go from there. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:907775565] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><quote>We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas.</quote> <quote>Theres only going to be one core rule in the group, and its that if you attack a persons character, rather than their ideas, you will be banned.</quote> Bump for Night CE. I spent the last 30 min typing of walls of text nobody was gonna read, so lemme just hear your thoughts and we'll go from there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 08/29/18 7:26:00 PM #3:	Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:907775646] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 08/29/18 7:38:10 PM #4:	Nah, I just think it's funny how conservatives think they can dictate the terms of social justice discussion when they've never been on the right side of history when it comes to anything dealing with race, gender, sexuality, or foreign migration. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:907776298] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Nah, I just think it's funny how conservatives think they can dictate the terms of social justice discussion when they've never been on the right side of history when it comes to anything dealing with race, gender, sexuality, or foreign migration.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 08/29/18 7:41:06 PM #5:	You'd get more replies on the politics board TC --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:907776458] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>You'd get more replies on the politics board TC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/29/18 7:42:15 PM #6:	ChainedRedone posted... Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:907776531] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 08/29/18 7:42:20 PM #7:	so glad i deleted my facebook account --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/ 97/99 Cooking <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:907776538] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>so glad i deleted my facebook account</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/29/18 7:42:30 PM #8:	ThanksUglyGod posted... Nah, I just think it's funny how conservatives think they can dictate the terms of social justice discussion when they've never been on the right side of history when it comes to anything dealing with race, gender, sexuality, or foreign migration. How were you able to type that whole thing, and not actually read any of it? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:907776544] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, I just think it's funny how conservatives think they can dictate the terms of social justice discussion when they've never been on the right side of history when it comes to anything dealing with race, gender, sexuality, or foreign migration.</quote> How were you able to type that whole thing, and not actually read any of it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 08/29/18 7:45:39 PM #9:	The left is eating itself alive with the identity politics and shit. The right are mostly a bunch of white folks scared of losing power. --- https://imgur.com/23CCcZB https://imgur.com/32mwCo1 https://imgur.com/oqklqKC <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:907776717] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>The left is eating itself alive with the identity politics and shit. The right are mostly a bunch of white folks scared of losing power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 08/29/18 7:50:30 PM #10:	I think identity politics causes heated debates for everyone, evidenced by the growing feud between Trump supporters and rational Republicans. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:907777010] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>I think identity politics causes heated debates for everyone, evidenced by the growing feud between Trump supporters and rational Republicans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 08/29/18 7:52:12 PM #11:	i dont know anyone that has a problem with conservative news. they just want it to be actual news thats actually true. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IR4XrBA.gif https://i.imgtc.com/7X1rBRv.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:907777086] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>i dont know anyone that has a problem with conservative news. they just want it to be actual news thats actually true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CW_McGraw 08/29/18 7:56:28 PM #12:	For an ideology that claims to detest leftist "victim culture," conservatives never pass on an opportunity to bloviate about how persecuted they are. --- https://imgur.com/hso8CUi <cite>CW_McGraw posted [p:907777293] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>For an ideology that claims to detest leftist "victim culture," conservatives never pass on an opportunity to bloviate about how persecuted they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 08/29/18 7:58:19 PM #13:	liberals love diversity unless it's diversity of ideas. --- https://i.imgtc.com/3owskMW.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:907777382] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>liberals love diversity unless it's diversity of ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/29/18 8:02:00 PM #14:	ThanksUglyGod posted... These are not fears without cause. Because we tear down posters welcoming Trump supporters. good We regularly propose removing Thiel from our board because he supported Trump. also good Were quick to suggest firing people who turn out to be misunderstood, and even quicker to conclude our colleagues are bigots. I feel like he's referring to something extremely specific here. Probably more like backpedaling than being misunderstood We have made All Lives Matter a fireable offense. good We put Palmer Luckey through a witch hunt because he paid for anti-Hillary ads. how about you put Palmer Luckey through a witch Hunt for fucking grifting Oculus Rift backers and sabotaging Valve from inside We write each other ad-hoc feedback in the PSC tool for having offensive ideas. God forbid someone has complaints about your shitty plans We ask HR to investigate those who dare to criticize Islams human rights record for creating a non inclusive environment. I'm sure that's exactly what happened And they called me a transphobe when I called out our corporate art for being politically radical. but you're not denying it --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:907777544] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>These are not fears without cause. Because we tear down posters welcoming Trump supporters. good We regularly propose removing Thiel from our board because he supported Trump. also good Were quick to suggest firing people who turn out to be misunderstood, and even quicker to conclude our colleagues are bigots. I feel like he's referring to something extremely specific here. Probably more like backpedaling than being misunderstood We have made All Lives Matter a fireable offense. good We put Palmer Luckey through a witch hunt because he paid for anti-Hillary ads. how about you put Palmer Luckey through a witch Hunt for fucking grifting Oculus Rift backers and sabotaging Valve from inside We write each other ad-hoc feedback in the PSC tool for having offensive ideas. God forbid someone has complaints about your shitty plans We ask HR to investigate those who dare to criticize Islams human rights record for creating a non inclusive environment. I'm sure that's exactly what happened And they called me a transphobe when I called out our corporate art for being politically radical. but you're not denying it </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/29/18 8:02:55 PM #15:	"waaaaaaaaaaaaah! I should be allowed to call for trans people to be burned and I should be allowed to say the n word if I want D:" --- "No one cares about Chill or Coth or Error or Dawkins or whatever any of the other drama queens are." -UnfairRepresent <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:907777598] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>"waaaaaaaaaaaaah! I should be allowed to call for trans people to be burned and I should be allowed to say the n word if I want D:"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/29/18 8:03:05 PM #16:	E32005 posted... i dont know anyone that has a problem with conservative news. they just want it to be actual news thats actually true. News shouldn't be conservative or liberal. It should just be facts. It turns out a lot of facts do not support conservative opinions but that's not a news bias problem. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:907777605] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>E32005 posted...</cite> <quote>i dont know anyone that has a problem with conservative news. they just want it to be actual news thats actually true.</quote> News shouldn't be conservative or liberal. It should just be facts. It turns out a lot of facts do not support conservative opinions but that's not a news bias problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaffIeElite 08/29/18 8:04:09 PM #17:	Fuck those 100 guys. Hope they get fired for helping support the rise of Nazis in the US. --- I have a signature. Apparently this is important, but I still don't have my secret cool kid decoder ring yet. <cite>WaffIeElite posted [p:907777658] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Fuck those 100 guys. Hope they get fired for helping support the rise of Nazis in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 08/29/18 8:04:16 PM #18:	Trump supporters are so fragile. Freedom of speech is others telling you that you're a dumbass. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:907777665] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Trump supporters are so fragile. Freedom of speech is others telling you that you're a dumbass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/29/18 8:08:46 PM #20:	Why would Facebook HR investigate Islam's Human Rights record? I don't get it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907777933] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Why would Facebook HR investigate Islam's Human Rights record? I don't get it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 08/29/18 8:11:38 PM #21:	What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas! <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:907778072] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/29/18 8:17:58 PM #22:	ThanksUglyGod posted... What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas! 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:907778383] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas!</quote> 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 08/29/18 8:20:56 PM #23:	Popularity dictates the veracity of opinions. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member https://imgur.com/VgwI8qO <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:907778543] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Popularity dictates the veracity of opinions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 08/29/18 8:24:00 PM #24:	darkjedilink posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas! 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending? I feel like there's an entire conversation in the middle that's missing. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:907778699] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas!</quote> 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending?</quote> I feel like there's an entire conversation in the middle that's missing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thrillwell 08/29/18 8:24:25 PM #25:	facebook is for tools who enjoy fake ass friends, and people who like the government half way up their ass. --- I have to return some video tapes. <cite>Thrillwell posted [p:907778720] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>facebook is for tools who enjoy fake ass friends, and people who like the government half way up their ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 08/29/18 8:25:41 PM #27:	ChainedRedone posted... Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist? woosh! <cite>Zikten posted [p:907778785] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist?</quote> woosh!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 08/29/18 8:27:03 PM #28:	darkjedilink posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas! 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending? Didn't you recently get warned for claiming that black people are inherently more violent? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:907778841] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas!</quote> 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending?</quote> Didn't you recently get warned for claiming that black people are inherently more violent?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 08/29/18 8:32:14 PM #29:	as always, I say that someone shouldn't get banned/fired for speaking, but can still be shunned and criticized --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:907779078] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>as always, I say that someone shouldn't get banned/fired for speaking, but can still be shunned and criticized</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/29/18 8:41:56 PM #30:	darkjedilink posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas! 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending? That's not how it works. It's more like this: "I think we should cut government spending" "Okay, what do you think we should cut?" "I want to cut all these social programs that benefit poor black neighborhoods." "That's a racist policy" "You know not everyone who disagrees with you is a racist." Repeat ad nauseum. Honestly I kind of empathize with the people who just scream REEEEE sometimes because it's more productive than trying to have a conversation with someone like Capn Circus --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:907779570] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>What I want to know is why conservatives think calling someone a racist or whatever isn't attacking their ideas? If your ideas promote keeping marginalized groups marginalized...then your ideas are shitty and you should get better ideas!</quote> 'I think we should cut government spending.' 'YOU'RE A RACIST!' How is that attacking the idea of cutting government spending?</quote> That's not how it works. It's more like this: "I think we should cut government spending" "Okay, what do you think we should cut?" "I want to cut all these social programs that benefit poor black neighborhoods." "That's a racist policy" "You know not everyone who disagrees with you is a racist." Repeat ad nauseum. Honestly I kind of empathize with the people who just scream REEEEE sometimes because it's more productive than trying to have a conversation with someone like Capn Circus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/29/18 8:43:49 PM #31:	MLK would be proud. Conservatives are being attacked for their views and character, not the colour of their skin. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:907779667] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>MLK would be proud. Conservatives are being attacked for their views and character, not the colour of their skin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/30/18 3:38:16 AM #32:	LightningAce11 posted... MLK would be proud. Conservatives are being attacked for their views and character, not the colour of their skin. Get 'em --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:907797141] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>MLK would be proud. Conservatives are being attacked for their views and character, not the colour of their skin.</quote> Get 'em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/30/18 3:43:09 AM #33:	ThanksUglyGod posted... We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas. Ah, so they just want to be able to say racist and homophobic things without anyone calling them on it. ThanksUglyGod posted... attacking each others character rather than their ideas. Yeah, because eugenics was disproved a hundred years ago and homophobia is a ridiculous viewpoint. Doesn't it offend conservatives that shit like this is becoming so closely identified with their politics? Like, don't they want to distance themselves from this shit? It's not conservative just because it's racist or homophobic. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:907797250] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas.</quote> Ah, so they just want to be able to say racist and homophobic things without anyone calling them on it. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>attacking each others character rather than their ideas.</quote> Yeah, because eugenics was disproved a hundred years ago and homophobia is a ridiculous viewpoint. Doesn't it offend conservatives that shit like this is becoming so closely identified with their politics? Like, don't they want to distance themselves from this shit? It's not conservative just because it's racist or homophobic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 08/30/18 3:48:46 AM #34:	Wonder how many will be fired. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:907797411] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>Wonder how many will be fired.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/30/18 3:49:26 AM #35:	ThanksUglyGod posted... Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they not their ideas will be attacked. Can you really separate a person from their ideas? Does one not influence the other? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:907797427] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they not their ideas will be attacked.</quote> Can you really separate a person from their ideas? Does one not influence the other?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 08/30/18 4:05:00 AM #36:	hockeybub89 posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they not their ideas will be attacked. Can you really separate a person from their ideas? Does one not influence the other? I think the implication of that statement is, instead of dismantling their bad ideas, they'll label them a racist, or whatever, and try to have their career ended. And do whatever they can to block them from having a platform for their ideas. With the additional implication being that whether or not they are actually racist being secondary to the fact that their positions are not progressive enough. It doesn't help that the way the word "racist" is used isn't "you have bad ideas; its shorthand for "you are an evil person". I've used it as an example, but Laci Green was once a very popular progressive feminist personality. Then she made a video saying maybe instead of no-platforming conservatives, maybe the people on the left should talk to them. Since then, she's been kind of torn down and ostracized by progressive circles and when she is interviewed, there are a bunch of people accusing her of being a white supremacist, etc. It doesn't matter that she spent years advocating for feminist and progressive causes. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:907797818] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they not their ideas will be attacked.</quote> Can you really separate a person from their ideas? Does one not influence the other?</quote> I think the implication of that statement is, instead of dismantling their bad ideas, they'll label them a racist, or whatever, and try to have their career ended. And do whatever they can to block them from having a platform for their ideas. With the additional implication being that whether or not they are actually racist being secondary to the fact that their positions are not progressive enough. It doesn't help that the way the word "racist" is used isn't "you have bad ideas; its shorthand for "you are an evil person". I've used it as an example, but Laci Green was once a very popular progressive feminist personality. Then she made a video saying maybe instead of no-platforming conservatives, maybe the people on the left should talk to them. Since then, she's been kind of torn down and ostracized by progressive circles and when she is interviewed, there are a bunch of people accusing her of being a white supremacist, etc. It doesn't matter that she spent years advocating for feminist and progressive causes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nicklebro 09/01/18 3:10:03 AM #38:	ThanksUglyGod posted... We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas. Theres only going to be one core rule in the group, and its that if you attack a persons character, rather than their ideas, you will be banned. Bump for Night CE. I spent the last 30 min typing of walls of text nobody was gonna read, so lemme just hear your thoughts and we'll go from there. What if someone's character is objectionable tho? I don't really want to debate whether gay marriage should be legal or not with someone who hates gay people and thinks they deserve to be thrown in jail. So if you're a bigot, I don't think you should be given the same respect everyone else is. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:907911332] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote><quote>We throw labels that end in obe and ist at each other, attacking each others character rather than their ideas.</quote> <quote>Theres only going to be one core rule in the group, and its that if you attack a persons character, rather than their ideas, you will be banned.</quote> Bump for Night CE. I spent the last 30 min typing of walls of text nobody was gonna read, so lemme just hear your thoughts and we'll go from there.</quote> What if someone's character is objectionable tho? I don't really want to debate whether gay marriage should be legal or not with someone who hates gay people and thinks they deserve to be thrown in jail. So if you're a bigot, I don't think you should be given the same respect everyone else is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJCAT 09/01/18 3:13:03 AM #39:	you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed. --- PSN: SUPER_KITTY_JAM FC: SW-2262-4005-7054 <cite>SSJCAT posted [p:907911404] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RainblowDash 09/01/18 3:15:33 AM #40:	I agree, time to drain the facebook swamp --- Ryzen 7 1700X - Sapphire RX Vega 64 - ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Samsung 960 EVO 500gb - G.Skill TridentZ RGB 16gb - Silverstone SX700 700W <cite>RainblowDash posted [p:907911453] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>I agree, time to drain the facebook swamp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 09/01/18 3:15:54 AM #41:	SSJCAT posted... you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed. lol right? What exactly is being censored? --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:907911463] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed.</quote> lol right? What exactly is being censored?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/01/18 3:20:29 AM #42:	nicklebro posted... SSJCAT posted... you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed. lol right? What exactly is being censored? Certainly not their tears. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:907911566] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed.</quote> lol right? What exactly is being censored?</quote> Certainly not their tears.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 09/01/18 3:27:30 AM #43:	Kineth posted... nicklebro posted... SSJCAT posted... you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed. lol right? What exactly is being censored? Certainly not their tears. There aren't enough Facebook employees in existence to censor all of that. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:907911721] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>you would not believe how much far-right conspiracy theory fake news i see on my facebook feed.</quote> lol right? What exactly is being censored?</quote> Certainly not their tears.</quote> There aren't enough Facebook employees in existence to censor all of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Endofall 09/02/18 12:09:25 PM #44:	RainblowDash posted... I agree, time to drain the facebook swamp That doesn't make sense. What is the draining being done to, exactly? Edit: suspended never mind. <cite>Endofall posted [p:907976832] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>RainblowDash posted...</cite> <quote>I agree, time to drain the facebook swamp</quote> That doesn't make sense. What is the draining being done to, exactly? Edit: suspended never mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 09/02/18 1:53:28 PM #45:	I mean, he's not wrong tbqh Tech companies are known to have pervasive issues with being far left echo chambers these days <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:907981578] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>I mean, he's not wrong tbqh Tech companies are known to have pervasive issues with being far left echo chambers these days</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/02/18 4:51:28 PM #46:	silentwing26x posted... I mean, he's not wrong tbqh Tech companies are known to have pervasive issues with being far left echo chambers these days Well, you tried. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:907990342] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, he's not wrong tbqh Tech companies are known to have pervasive issues with being far left echo chambers these days</quote> Well, you tried.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 09/02/18 5:09:55 PM #47:	MakoReizei posted... liberals love diversity unless it's diversity of ideas. And conservatives love small government as long as it's small enough to fit in your bedroom or uterus. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:907991228] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>liberals love diversity unless it's diversity of ideas.</quote> And conservatives love small government as long as it's small enough to fit in your bedroom or uterus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EternalDivide 09/02/18 5:12:27 PM #48:	For all the talk of conservatives being nazis. Liberals and the PC culture pushers are the ones actually operating like nazis. All problems are because of one particular race. Don't agree with us. Label them. Ban them. Ridicule them publicly. Have them fired. Remove them from society. Eventually that ideology will move to taking away rights from people they believe shouldn't have rights if they don't agree with the group think. And so long as they keep doing it with their little self defined justice flag draped around them while standing on top of their self appointed moral high ground throne they think they can get away with it. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:907991326] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote>For all the talk of conservatives being nazis. Liberals and the PC culture pushers are the ones actually operating like nazis. All problems are because of one particular race. Don't agree with us. Label them. Ban them. Ridicule them publicly. Have them fired. Remove them from society. Eventually that ideology will move to taking away rights from people they believe shouldn't have rights if they don't agree with the group think. And so long as they keep doing it with their little self defined justice flag draped around them while standing on top of their self appointed moral high ground throne they think they can get away with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 09/02/18 5:19:06 PM #49:	Kineth posted... ChainedRedone posted... Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist? Are you two trying to be ironic or something? --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:907991675] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist?</quote></quote> Are you two trying to be ironic or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 09/02/18 6:18:07 PM #50:	Kineth posted... silentwing26x posted... I mean, he's not wrong tbqh Tech companies are known to have pervasive issues with being far left echo chambers these days Well, you tried. what are you even blabbering about, my dude? <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:907994599] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, he's not wrong tbqh Tech companies are known to have pervasive issues with being far left echo chambers these days</quote> Well, you tried.</quote> what are you even blabbering about, my dude?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/02/18 7:52:48 PM #51:	Paragon21XX posted... Kineth posted... ChainedRedone posted... Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist? Are you two trying to be ironic or something? Looks like you tried too. Passive aggression isn't a good look. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:907999006] in Facebook e... [t:76947711]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Are we supposed to feel bad for this racist?</quote></quote> Are you two trying to be ironic or something?</quote> Looks like you tried too. Passive aggression isn't a good look.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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