Current Events > Octopath could be the new Final Fantasy

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Final Fantasy was a shot in the dark. Nobody expected it would be so popular, much less start a massive gaming franchise and keep Squaresoft going.

Squaresoft lost touch with the gamers and began making games designed around their own desires, rather than ours. They eventually tanked and were bought out.

They did not expect Octopath to be a successful game because lol people dont liek turn based RPGs anymore!!!1! and it was such a success that they issued a public apology for not printing enough copies. Are you ready to stop telling us what we like, yet?

They need to look at games like Octopath and Bravely Default and realize that this IS what people want. We dont want something drastically new. Simple is better seems to be the theme of modern consumers desires and Square Enix needs to understand. We dont really care if the graphics arent more mind boggling than the last game because tbh, the only thing they could do to make it more realistic is to cast real humans as the characters.
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I hope Final Fantasy 16, whenever it gets made, goes back to the roots a bit.
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But it's only on the Switch, right?
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Octopath Traveler was fun but the soundtrack was repetitive and the stories exceedingly forgettable. It did a lot of things right regarding gameplay and overworld interaction but that's about it.
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that's what Dragon Quest is for. less than 4 hours til it, the GOTY, drops
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Bad_Mojo posted...

But it's only on the Switch, right?

Thats a good point. This, bravely default, and bravely second were all relegated to handheld consoles. They need to focus on this more for their other consoles, as well.
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i think there's hints that bravely 3 is coming to switch anyways
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Can you make a post without ranting? Damn lol

I still haven't played the second Bravely game. I kind of enjoyed the first one, but I don't think I even finished it.
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*insert Futurama single female lawyer plot here*

People want the same thing. Stop scaring us when you do new shit
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sauceje posted...

I hope Final Fantasy 16, whenever it gets made, goes back to the roots a bit.

I've been saying this for a while. These are the things I want to see from a newer Final Fantasy:

World Map
Airships
FF6/9 style setting and art style
Action Turn Based combat

Its not really that difficult either. They built the rough build in FF15(though it showed up in the Summoner). Have a world map, and each important area expand to the size of Lestallum, with only a couple major cities, and a bunch of smaller towns.

Just because Final Fantasy 13 failed, doesn't mean they can't try again. The thing is they have to get away from free combat which they went with FF15. If I wanted to play that style of combat I'd play Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts or Devil May Cry.

Also, bring in the guy who made Pitioss to do some of the artwork for the dungeons.

I would love a game with the Steampunk setting of FF6 and FF10's battle system
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one thing I don't understand about people "against" turned based battle systems is people saying it would look weird with such good graphics just standing in one place taking turns. what?

ffx had the best battle system of all time and that shit was revolutionary graphic wise. persona 5 looks incredible and features people "standing there". fuck off with that lame excuse and give me turn based back you fucks
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metralo posted...

one thing I don't understand about people "against" turned based battle systems is people saying it would look weird with such good graphics just standing in one place taking turns. what?

ffx had the best battle system of all time and that shit was revolutionary graphic wise. persona 5 looks incredible and features people "standing there". fuck off with that lame excuse and give me turn based back you fucks

Yeah DQ11 looks amazing and that's turn based as well
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Octopath was a great first game. Can't wait to see them make the stories more interconnected (or at least reference the fact other characters are there) for the second one.
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Bravely was the better game, not only the story but the fast forwarding of battles, job system, encounter rate options... I wanted to like Octopath.
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BlueBoy675 posted...

I would love a game with the Steampunk setting of FF6 and FF10's battle system

Lost Odyssey.
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Ivany2008 posted...

sauceje posted...

I hope Final Fantasy 16, whenever it gets made, goes back to the roots a bit.

I've been saying this for a while. These are the things I want to see from a newer Final Fantasy:

World Map
Airships
FF6/9 style setting and art style
Action Turn Based combat

Its not really that difficult either. They built the rough build in FF15(though it showed up in the Summoner). Have a world map, and each important area expand to the size of Lestallum, with only a couple major cities, and a bunch of smaller towns.

Just because Final Fantasy 13 failed, doesn't mean they can't try again. The thing is they have to get away from free combat which they went with FF15. If I wanted to play that style of combat I'd play Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts or Devil May Cry.

Also, bring in the guy who made Pitioss to do some of the artwork for the dungeons.

It wasnt the idea, so much as the lack of effort that made FFXVs battle system so pathetic. People had high expectations for this game (for some reason), but I cant think of many Action RPGs with worse delivery.

When was Kingdom Hearts made? 15 years ago? That game had way better combat than FFXV. They had that massive tutorial in the beginning and it turns out that you basically just run, jump, and attack. The skill tree was boring and, aside from the accessory skills, effectively useless. Dont even get me started on magic + friendly fire. Magic was not usable.
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Its mediocre and boring story was refreshing. Its 16 year old graphics were retro and dats cuul.
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Square destroyed Final Fantasy when they decided to make 11 online only. They should have made it an off series game like Tactics, not a main entry.

Final Fantasy was never the same after that.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Octopath was a great first game. Can't wait to see them make the stories more interconnected (or at least reference the fact other characters are there) for the second one.

Yeah for sure. They've got a great foundation to build on.
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sauceje posted...

I hope Final Fantasy 16, whenever it gets made, goes back to the roots a bit.

Give up.

If you want that style of game, play dragon quest. Final Fantasy is used for more experimental / cinematic gameplay. All the traditional shit has been shunted off to Dragon Quest.
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frozenshock posted...

Square destroyed Final Fantasy when they decided to make 11 online only. They should have made it an off series game like Tactics, not a main entry.

Final Fantasy was never the same after that.

I 100% agree. I honestly felt somewhat betrayed in the fact that I could no longer say that Ive played all of the games in the main series. Online play just isnt my thing. They should definitely make them, but they should simply be called Final Fantasy Online.

It also gave them the idea to cut corners and recycle its combat system to 12. Oh, people dont want the next one to be online? Thats cool. We can just use the same combat system and make it single player.

That game was just as big of an insult as 11.
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Octopath is worse than FF1
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Zurkon posted...

frozenshock posted...

Square destroyed Final Fantasy when they decided to make 11 online only. They should have made it an off series game like Tactics, not a main entry.

Final Fantasy was never the same after that.

I really hate how they did that. Ive never played 11 or 14 and I doubt I ever will. It legitimately bugs me that I cant say Ive played all the main Final Fantasy games.

FF11 is getting a mobile reboot. There's a good chance if all you want to do is play through some of the story you can probably do it for free.

FF14 is actually just a good game and you should try it. The free month is enough to get very far. You can cancel after.
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The problem with the online games is that they will eventually cease to exist. 11 and 14 will be black holes in a numbered series, which is almost unheard of in any medium.

You have to pay monthly or yearly fees to play a game that will only be around as long as they decide to keep the servers active. I know that people still play them, but eventually the servers will not exist.
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Irony posted...

Octopath is worse than FF1

Hush your mouth
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I'm convinced if they just reuse the FFX2 battle system in a different game people will love it.

The story was trash and a lot of people didn't give it a chance because of that but the gameplay itself was fantastic and could be perfect with some small tweaks.
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The_Juice_ posted...

I'm convinced if they just reuse the FFX2 battle system in a different game people will love it.

The story was trash and a lot of people didn't give it a chance because of that but the gameplay itself was fantastic and could be perfect with some small tweaks.

I seriously couldnt get past the intro and the only reason I ever had it was because it came with X on the digital download.

I just cant believe they thought that would go over well.
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octopath was a meh game, with the only great thing being the battle system

bravely default was better in every way, so I'd rather they see that through

I don't think it will, simply because of how deeply it'll get buried. Final Fantasy was one of, like, a few hundred games out there and it was a new genre. Octopath is one of tens of thousands of games and is a neat twist on a well established genre.

Kaiganeer posted...

octopath was a meh game, with the only great thing being the battle system

bravely default was better in every way, so I'd rather they see that through

The only good thing about BD was the class system and the main characters. The actual story was weak due to the gimmick in the second half of the game.
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but I thought Bravely Default was the new Final Fantasy
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Kaiganeer posted...

octopath was a meh game, with the only great thing being the battle system

bravely default was better in every way, so I'd rather they see that through

There's literally nothing about Bravely Default that was better lol
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immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

Kaiganeer posted...

octopath was a meh game, with the only great thing being the battle system

bravely default was better in every way, so I'd rather they see that through

There's literally nothing about Bravely Default that was better lol

This.
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@immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

There's literally nothing about Bravely Default that was better lol

The job system has triple the jobs, with double the abilities each that play off themselves and eachother more synergistically.

You can fast-forward or even disable random battles.

The (first 66% of) the story has steady pacing, and the characters actually talk to eachother; with most of the filler dialogue being easily skippable.

Whats worse? You're just salty that the last 34% of BD1 is as bad as Octopath.
Bravely Second did a similar gimmick much better, and who's to say Third couldn't do even better?
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Disabling random battles is not a good mechanic. It's actually braindead. If you're getting your ass kicked in a dungeon, you can just turn battles off completely and go all the way back to a dungeon. That's not good design. Neither is repeating shit you already did previously in the game.

Octopath is a massive improvement over BD with its flaw mainly being that it doesn't have a deep unified plot.
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immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

Disabling random battles is not a good mechanic. It's actually braindead. If you're getting your ass kicked in a dungeon, you can just turn battles off completely and go all the way back to a dungeon. That's not good design. Neither is repeating shit you already did previously in the game.

Octopath is a massive improvement over BD with its flaw mainly being that it doesn't have a deep unified plot.

Idk. The end of Octopath had ludicrous encounter rates and I could already crush my way to the boss. It just got tedious and I only wanted to finish. If the feature is used to combat an abnormal enemy encounter rate, I think its helpful.
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Then you have Cyrus/Scholar's support skill which lowers encounter rate. Having an off button is just game-breaking
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Even if "Disabling random battles is not a good mechanic. Neither is repeating shit you already did previously in the game."

Then what about the jobs, abilities, better story, and fast forward? What about the sequels?
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Final Fantasy is not what it used to be. It was a turned based game with simple graphics that evolved over time into what it is today - ARPGs that push the cinematic side of the series. Its great if you like it. Some of us liked how the old games played in spite of the limitations though.

FF and Octopath should be able to coexist and the fact that Square was so taken back by the sales shows how out of touch they are with their past despite how much they try to milk it in their shitty mobile games
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But Final Fantasy games come out on consoles I own.

Octopath doesn't.

Alpha218 posted...

Final Fantasy is not what it used to be. It was a turned based game with simple graphics that evolved over time into what it is today - ARPGs that push the cinematic side of the series. Its great if you like it. Some of us liked how the old games played in spite of the limitations though.

FF and Octopath should be able to coexist and the fact that Square was so taken back by the sales shows how out of touch they are with their past despite how much they try to milk it in their shitty mobile games

Exactly. They are so out of touch that they are genuinely bewildered when their gimmicky gotta try something new! games get lukewarm reception and people go insane over a NORMAL RPG.

This is what we want. We dont want final fantasy 15, we dont want 11 and 14, and we dont ever want to see 12s combat system ever again.

I would actually be embarrassed to tell people if I was involved with making FF15.
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DoomSwell posted...

@immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

There's literally nothing about Bravely Default that was better lol

The job system has triple the jobs, with double the abilities each that play off themselves and eachother more synergistically.

You can fast-forward or even disable random battles.

The (first 66% of) the story has steady pacing, and the characters actually talk to eachother; with most of the filler dialogue being easily skippable.

Whats worse? You're just salty that the last 34% of BD1 is as bad as Octopath.
Bravely Second did a similar gimmick much better, and who's to say Third couldn't do even better?

I'll say that I think fast forwarding or disabling encounters is not a good point. You might as well say you don't like actually playing the game and are just trying to get it over with.
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DoomSwell posted...

Even if "Disabling random battles is not a good mechanic. Neither is repeating shit you already did previously in the game."

Then what about the jobs, abilities, better story, and fast forward? What about the sequels?

How is fast forwarding a good mechanic lol

Comparing the job system is apples and oranges. You're comparing a game with four generic characters to a game with 8 designed character classes and it just doesn't make sense. Octopath also has path actions which actually makes town interaction enjoyable
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Octopath is a generic RPG lol

Just like final fantasy wish octo was a bit harder though I didnt feel challenged at all