Poll of the Day > Cop walks into wrong apartment thinking it's theirs and murders resident

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Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

"So the police won't casually walk in and gun you down" should be way down on the list of reasons to lock your door.
And sometimes people forget, or they're going out again soon or something.

Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

And the victim was a black man

Because fucking of course he was

Because it would be better if the victim was white? That's just stupid race-baiting.

She might not have been so quick to open fire if he wasn't black. It wouldn't be better if a white guy died. But if it was a white guy, he might have had a chance to say, "why are you in my apartment?!" before she pulled the trigger.

Mead posted...

Werent you just complaining about victim blaming in another topic

Zeus changes his arguments to suit his needs. PotD's lack of an archive so it's harder to call him on his bs is his greatest source of strength.

Mead posted...

Because it would be better if the victim was white?

It certainly wouldnt be as predictable

As predictable as you race-baiting?

Mead posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Werent you just complaining about victim blaming in another topic

Not victim blaming, but you do you. After all, conflations are one of your specialties... that or the problem is you just flat-out don't understand what victim-blaming is so you're unconsciously conflating deliberate, malicious, persistent acts which are then written off by saying, "Well, the victim asked for it! Clearly he wanted attention for having the audacity to post in a forum used by hundreds of other posters, most of whom I'm not harassing," with an incident where an officer -- 100% in the wrong, no matter the races involved (which I know is a hard concept for you to grasp, but -- to paraphrase Michael Jackson -- it doesn't matter if they're black or white) -- made a stupid mistake and by every right should face at least a manslaughter charge for it.

streamofthesky posted...

"So the police won't casually walk in and gun you down" should be way down on the list of reasons to lock your door.
And sometimes people forget, or they're going out again soon or something.

Would it have not triggered your faux outrage had I specified that it was ANOTHER good reason to lock your doors? Or would you make a deal out of it for the sake of making a deal out of it regardless?

streamofthesky posted...

She might not have been so quick to open fire if he wasn't black. It wouldn't be better if a white guy died. But if it was a white guy, he might have had a chance to say, "why are you in my apartment?!" before she pulled the trigger.

Spelling out the race-baiting doesn't make it any less race-baity. At least with Mead's original post he had the probable deniability of suggesting that the onus was on the media for using white-on-black crime as clickbait.

streamofthesky posted...

Zeus changes his arguments to suit his needs. PotD's lack of an archive so it's harder to call him on his bs is his greatest source of strength.

Which is a pretty hilarious accusation from a guy who flips on a dime to take the opposing viewpoint in almost any discussion in which I'm involved. I could decry slavery and you'd backtrack with a, "Well, wait a minute, maybe not *all* slavery was bad..."

Otherwise not even close to victim-blaming.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Show me a time when a cop was killed in self defense and the victim wasn't punished severely.

I don't agree with veederock and believe these cases to be in the minority but
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/no-knock-raid-exonerated-shooting-cops/
I can't find the case, but I remember reading a supreme Court case about self defense against on duty police as well siding with the victim. So the victims should be getting off more than they do, but they still do get off some times
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NA cop
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Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Zeus changes his arguments to suit his needs. PotD's lack of an archive so it's harder to call him on his bs is his greatest source of strength.

Which is a pretty hilarious accusation from a guy who flips on a dime to take the opposing viewpoint in almost any discussion in which I'm involved. I could decry slavery and you'd backtrack with a, "Well, wait a minute, maybe not *all* slavery was bad..."

Otherwise not even close to victim-blaming.

More false accusations, what a surprise. No, I don't flip flop like you.
And I do agree with you some times, for example the disparity in criminal punishment for men compared to women, or that we both are teetotalers.
(Oh, and yeah, slavery totally sucks, too)
But that hurts your narrative to mention...

Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Sure. It would have been good if his doors were locked. But there could be hundreds of reasons why it wasn't.
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She definitely should have immediately noticed a huge difference in the furniture and decor.
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LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Sure. It would have been good if his doors were locked. But there could be hundreds of reasons why it wasn't.

Theres also no law saying people have to lock their doors
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apparently the dude opened the door when the cop was trying to get in. then the cop shot him asap. anyways, she is being charged with manslaughter. wonder why they won't release her name.
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magemaximus posted...

apparently the dude opened the door when the cop was trying to get in. then the cop shot him asap. anyways, she is being charged with manslaughter. wonder why they won't release her name.

It's sounding like the door was locked and he was opening it for her then?

In case this needed to be any less defensible.
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magemaximus posted...

apparently the dude opened the door when the cop was trying to get in. then the cop shot him asap. anyways, she is being charged with manslaughter. wonder why they won't release her name.

Cool. So she shoots a random person while drunk, then gets placed on paid leave, and then gets charged with only manslaughter. Cops got it good.
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This is flat out murder. Christ years ago I walked in on someone being in my apartment. Oddly enough they didn't end up dead because I didn't get all murdery... I did however say "excuse me, what the fuck are you doing here". Turns out he was the maintenance man and had to enter my apartment because a pipe had broke and the people below me had water flooding into thier apartment.
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YahooPoster posted...

magemaximus posted...

apparently the dude opened the door when the cop was trying to get in. then the cop shot him asap. anyways, she is being charged with manslaughter. wonder why they won't release her name.

Cool. So she shoots a random person while drunk, then gets placed on paid leave, and then gets charged with only manslaughter. Cops got it good.

And it's unlikely she'll actually go to prison at all. And if she doesn't and is fired, she'll just find a job w/ a different police department.

And she'll get a nice "cool off" period to craft a story...err..properly recall events... before she has to give a statement of what happened.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2018/07/31/study-cooling-off-periods-dont-help-cops-remember-officer-involved-shootings/

When someone shoots someone else in front of witnesses, the police tend to interview suspects and witnesses to the shooting almost immediately. There are good reasons for that. Eyewitness memory begins to blur almost immediately, then continues to fade over time. As for suspects, the police want them to commit to a story early, before they can come up with a narrative that clears them of blame.

But when a police officer pulls the trigger, the officer is often given a cooling-off period before he is asked to give a statement. Any other police officers who might have witnessed the shooting are also sometimes given time to cool off.

The discrepancy arises from the unlikely but popular and persistent theory that while the memories of regular people tend to degrade over time, the memories of police officers somehow improve after theyre given a few days to ruminate. A cynic might point out that this theory also gives the officers involved some time to collaborate on a story.

Veedrock- posted...

But a cop having more clout with cops and judges isn't injustice.

Lol.
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Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.
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Cops are often times pretty fucking dumb. That's why they're just cops and not judges or detectives. Also, was this dude intoxicated or something

There honestly should be a higher bar for being a cop. That would mean the pay would have to be higher but at least we wouldnt have way too many dipshit cops like we do now. There are way too many cops as it is and probably 80% are dumb as a rock

samuricex posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.

Murder.
The cop should be charged with murder.

streamofthesky posted...

samuricex posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.

Murder.
The cop should be charged with murder.

Murder is pre-meditated, this doesnt seem like it.
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streamofthesky posted...

samuricex posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.

Murder.
The cop should be charged with murder.

Murder requires some form of intent of which it sounds like there wasnt any so manslaughter is appropriate. If an investigation uncovers evidence contradicting that then absolutely

How the hell do you not recognize your own home? Was she drunk? Senile? On drugs?

That poor person. I'm glad she's being charged for manslaughter and I hope her dumb, trigger happy ass spends many long years in prison.
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Mead posted...

That's a terrible comparison, but to roll with it a welder doesn't go home expecting to weld; similarly, a cop doesn't go home prepared to encounter danger.

Kinda like how an innocent person doesnt sit at home and expect a cop to suddenly walk into their living room and shoot them dead

I'm pretty sure that many innocent non-white people do exactly that:)

I'm white, I just expect a random person to walk into my home with a pizza....it happens far more often.
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OhhhJa posted...

streamofthesky posted...

samuricex posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.

Murder.
The cop should be charged with murder.

Murder requires some form of intent of which it sounds like there wasnt any so manslaughter is appropriate. If an investigation uncovers evidence contradicting that then absolutely

This. You know what a "murder charge" would get, Einstein? A not guilty verdict or a complete dismissal.
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She needs to do some serious time. Getting drunk enough to not recognize your own home while armed with a loaded weapon was grossly negligent.
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Mead posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Sure. It would have been good if his doors were locked. But there could be hundreds of reasons why it wasn't.

Theres also no law saying people have to lock their doors

A friend of mine said the same thing when I told her the story.

samuricex posted...

Murder is pre-meditated, this doesnt seem like it.

Pre-meditated murder is pre-meditated. Not all murder in pre-meditated, though.
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OhhhJa posted...

streamofthesky posted...

samuricex posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.

Murder.
The cop should be charged with murder.

Murder requires some form of intent of which it sounds like there wasnt any so manslaughter is appropriate. If an investigation uncovers evidence contradicting that then absolutely

She deliberately pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I'm not sure if that's enough to legally qualify as murder or not, but I don't see how you could possibly argue a lack of intent.
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Zangulus posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Mead posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Sure. It would have been good if his doors were locked. But there could be hundreds of reasons why it wasn't.

Theres also no law saying people have to lock their doors

A friend of mine said the same thing when I told her the story.

samuricex posted...

Murder is pre-meditated, this doesnt seem like it.

Pre-meditated murder is pre-meditated. Not all murder in pre-meditated, though.

His door WAS locked. Her key was found stuck in it. She was fiddling with it, and he opened it to ask her what she was doing. She blasted him immediately.

Yeah. I only found out this recently. The first article didn't mention it, IIRC. At least, it didn't when I read it. I was just responding to Mead that my friend said the same thing earlier when I told her the story.
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I call complete and utter bullshit on her story. You walk into a home that's not yours it will smell different, look different, you would know immediately even if someone else was standing there. There is far more to this, she is lying through her teeth. Neighbor dispute perhaps? She decided to take him out and came up with this dumb story is my guess.
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YahooPoster posted...

magemaximus posted...

apparently the dude opened the door when the cop was trying to get in. then the cop shot him asap. anyways, she is being charged with manslaughter. wonder why they won't release her name.

Cool. So she shoots a random person while drunk, then gets placed on paid leave, and then gets charged with only manslaughter. Cops got it good.

Where did they disclose she was drunk?

Sequiro posted...

I call complete and utter bullshit on her story. You walk into a home that's not yours it will smell different, look different, you would know immediately even if someone else was standing there. There is far more to this, she is lying through her teeth. Neighbor dispute perhaps? She decided to take him out and came up with this dumb story is my guess.

Smelling and looking require getting into the apartment first.
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Zangulus posted...

Sequiro posted...

I call complete and utter bullshit on her story. You walk into a home that's not yours it will smell different, look different, you would know immediately even if someone else was standing there. There is far more to this, she is lying through her teeth. Neighbor dispute perhaps? She decided to take him out and came up with this dumb story is my guess.

She never actually entered the apartment. She was standing outside of it, when he opened the door. She was fiddling with the key and he opened to see what was happening. She fired and killed him.

That's still pretty fucked up. :/ This is not a person who should remain on the police force.
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how the fuck did she not know she was not in her home

Zangulus posted...

Sequiro posted...

I call complete and utter bullshit on her story. You walk into a home that's not yours it will smell different, look different, you would know immediately even if someone else was standing there. There is far more to this, she is lying through her teeth. Neighbor dispute perhaps? She decided to take him out and came up with this dumb story is my guess.

She never actually entered the apartment. She was standing outside of it, when he opened the door. She was fiddling with the key and he opened to see what was happening. She fired and killed him.

oh. Goddamn that's horrifying

Multiple people in this thread have claimed she was drunk. Where are you getting this from? I havent read that anywhere yet. Just that she got home from work, went to the wrong place and killed the guy.
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Probably because it sounds like she must have been drunk or on some strong drugs. There's not really any other logical reason unless she went there specifically to kill the guy.
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Cacciato posted...

Smelling and looking require getting into the apartment first.

Depends on how much you can see from the doorway. Some places, I can't see anything from the front door. But in certain apartments/houses, you can clearly see like a living room of such from the front door. I guess she couldn't see anything... maybe. Unless she just wanted to kill him...
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This is one of the most nauseating things I have read in a while. Heartbreaking and infuriating all at once.

OhhhJa posted...

streamofthesky posted...

samuricex posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Because a civilian would never do this.

Im against all the anti-cop rhetoric, but this cop messed up and should be charged with manslaughter. This is completely pathetic from a civilian or a cop.

Murder.
The cop should be charged with murder.

Murder requires some form of intent of which it sounds like there wasnt any so manslaughter is appropriate. If an investigation uncovers evidence contradicting that then absolutely

Generally yes, but murder under Texas law is a bit more broadly defined. For instance, charges are automatically upgraded to murder if the culprit "commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual."

There's a few other clauses in there, but you could easily make the case this fits under the definition of murder as set out in Texas law.
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Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

"Protecting yourself against cops who will walk into your home and shoot you" is absolutely not a good reason to lock your doors - it's a good reason to get some smarter fucking cops.
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LinkPizza posted...

Cacciato posted...

Smelling and looking require getting into the apartment first.

Depends on how much you can see from the doorway. Some places, I can't see anything from the front door. But in certain apartments/houses, you can clearly see like a living room of such from the front door. I guess she couldn't see anything... maybe. Unless she just wanted to kill him...

I'm guessing she was distracted by the terrifying black man that she didn't expect to be in 'her' apartment.
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Cacciato posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Cacciato posted...

Smelling and looking require getting into the apartment first.

Depends on how much you can see from the doorway. Some places, I can't see anything from the front door. But in certain apartments/houses, you can clearly see like a living room of such from the front door. I guess she couldn't see anything... maybe. Unless she just wanted to kill him...

I'm guessing she was distracted by the terrifying black man that she didn't expect to be in 'her' apartment.

Probably. Weirdly enough, if someone else opened the door to 'my' apartment, I feel like my first thought would be "I must be at the wrong door." Especially since I don't think someone who broke in would politely open the door for me. Either way, her first reaction shouldn't be to shoot... Well, I don't think it should have been...
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LinkPizza posted...

Cacciato posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Cacciato posted...

Smelling and looking require getting into the apartment first.

Depends on how much you can see from the doorway. Some places, I can't see anything from the front door. But in certain apartments/houses, you can clearly see like a living room of such from the front door. I guess she couldn't see anything... maybe. Unless she just wanted to kill him...

I'm guessing she was distracted by the terrifying black man that she didn't expect to be in 'her' apartment.

Probably. Weirdly enough, if someone else opened the door to 'my' apartment, I feel like my first thought would be "I must be at the wrong door." Especially since I don't think someone who broke in would politely open the door for me. Either way, her first reaction shouldn't be to shoot... Well, I don't think it should have been...

I dont know what the fuck she was thinking. This whole situation is gonna turn into a shit show.
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Just another example of a cop killing a Black person and getting away with it. Not sure how you cannot notice you're not in your own apartment. Didn't the decor raise a clue!

Cacciato posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Cacciato posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Cacciato posted...

Smelling and looking require getting into the apartment first.

Depends on how much you can see from the doorway. Some places, I can't see anything from the front door. But in certain apartments/houses, you can clearly see like a living room of such from the front door. I guess she couldn't see anything... maybe. Unless she just wanted to kill him...

I'm guessing she was distracted by the terrifying black man that she didn't expect to be in 'her' apartment.

Probably. Weirdly enough, if someone else opened the door to 'my' apartment, I feel like my first thought would be "I must be at the wrong door." Especially since I don't think someone who broke in would politely open the door for me. Either way, her first reaction shouldn't be to shoot... Well, I don't think it should have been...

I dont know what the fuck she was thinking. This whole situation is gonna turn into a shit show.

I believe so, too...
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BUMPED2002 posted...

Just another example of a cop killing a Black person and getting away with it. Not sure how you cannot notice you're not in your own apartment. Didn't the decor raise a clue!

Because she wasnt in the apartment yet. You should read things before commenting. And she hasnt gotten away with it yet, seeing as how theres been no trial.
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Cacciato posted...

BUMPED2002 posted...

Just another example of a cop killing a Black person and getting away with it. Not sure how you cannot notice you're not in your own apartment. Didn't the decor raise a clue!

Because she wasnt in the apartment yet. You should read things before commenting. And she hasnt gotten away with it yet, seeing as how theres been no trial.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/06/shooting-reported-cedars-near-dallas-police-headquarters

Next-door neighbor Alyssa Kinsey said Jean's unit looked the same as everyone else's from the outside but did have a red half-moon-shaped rug outside the front door.

So, does she also happen to have a red half-moon-shaped rug outside her door, then?

Perfect example of a syndrome many cops seem to have which is "shoot first, ask questions later" especially when it comes to a black person.
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streamofthesky posted...

Cacciato posted...

BUMPED2002 posted...

Just another example of a cop killing a Black person and getting away with it. Not sure how you cannot notice you're not in your own apartment. Didn't the decor raise a clue!

Because she wasnt in the apartment yet. You should read things before commenting. And she hasnt gotten away with it yet, seeing as how theres been no trial.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/06/shooting-reported-cedars-near-dallas-police-headquarters

Next-door neighbor Alyssa Kinsey said Jean's unit looked the same as everyone else's from the outside but did have a red half-moon-shaped rug outside the front door.

So, does she also happen to have a red half-moon-shaped rug outside her door, then?

I dunno. She may have bought one since the last time I was at her apartment. We havent slept together in years. But if he did have one and she didnt then she really has no excuse.
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streamofthesky posted...

More false accusations, what a surprise. No, I don't flip flop like you.

Having nuanced views is hardly "flip flopping" and, should better information become available that refutes previous conclusions, I might change my mind. I'm not sure why you're trying to take pride in pigheadedness, especially when in reality you very frequently revise your opinions and often not for good reason. But if that's the narrative of which you've convinced yourself, I'm sure I can't dissuade your self-avowed stubbornness.

LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

Good reason to lock your fucking doors, tbh.

Sure. It would have been good if his doors were locked. But there could be hundreds of reasons why it wasn't.

People are really taking a flippant remark more seriously than they ought to. Perhaps I should have included an emoji. But, in seriousness, it's just weird for an event like this to happen because it relied on quite a few variables which ultimately combines cosmically bad luck and, on the officer's part, amazingly poor decision-making.

Metalsonic66 posted...

She definitely should have immediately noticed a huge difference in the furniture and decor.

Yeah, doesn't make much sense. I guess if she was really out of it and then just keyed in on the guy she might not have noticed.

Blighboy posted...

magemaximus posted...

apparently the dude opened the door when the cop was trying to get in. then the cop shot him asap. anyways, she is being charged with manslaughter. wonder why they won't release her name.

It's sounding like the door was locked and he was opening it for her then?

In case this needed to be any less defensible.

wtf. If that's the case, I'm surprised she's not being charged with worse.
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yeah it sounds like it was more like he was thinking wth is going on or maybe someone he knew was having trouble opening the door, so he opened it. i meant that he probably thought someone he knew who had access to his place was having trouble opening the door, so he went to open it.

she was trying to open the door and he heard all that noise, so he opened the door. then boom. like when you hear someone trying to open a door.

if that is the case though, then yeah, she should be charged with worse for shooting that dude asap. but the police are keeping the identity of this woman a secret. a lot of details a secret as well. still trying to figure out what happened.

this is wild tho. we know what he looks like, but we don't even know what she looks like.
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