Board 8 > TV Crossover Mafia - Topic 5 - "TV Related Quote"

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Corrik posted...

Doctor is pointless now.

We should mass claim today. Whoever is the Mason and isn't claiming it is literally playing braindead. Your entire point of your role is to confirm as town by claiming.

Could the Mason have another power and that's why they are hiding still?
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Corrik posted...

Doctor is pointless now.

We should mass claim today. Whoever is the Mason and isn't claiming it is literally playing braindead. Your entire point of your role is to confirm as town by claiming.

Wrong. Confirming the mason makes an obvious target for scum. Otherwise they have to guess.

Leaving the mason until later helps town.
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Obellisk posted...

Plum made a choice to change his vote last second knowing full well that if he did that and changed the result of the lynch and it was town that he would be a prime target. As scum there is no reason to do that unless he had something to protect.

I'm not so sure it is so black and white
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Plum made a choice to change his vote last second knowing full well that if he did that and changed the result of the lynch and it was town that he would be a prime target. As scum there is no reason to do that unless he had something to protect.

I'm not so sure it is so black and white

I'm not so sure you can look at it from an unbiased perspective.
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Well of course because I dont want to be mislynched simply because plum decided to kill scare over me. Corrik said it himself that plum isnt the best of players
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Well of course because I dont want to be mislynched simply because plum decided to kill scare over me. Corrik said it himself that plum isnt the best of players

plums been playing a long time and I think hes a great player and host. why does everyone listen to corrik all of the sudden. what the hell happened while I was away.
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Because he's loud and sometimes right.
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I wouldnt exactly say I'm listening to Corrik. I'm just saying that there is reason to believe that Plum may have made a mistake considering it was nearly a tie.
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what's ur claim eaed
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wait was he the one that plum claimed to detective scan
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Shaduln posted...

Corrik posted...

Doctor is pointless now.

We should mass claim today. Whoever is the Mason and isn't claiming it is literally playing braindead. Your entire point of your role is to confirm as town by claiming.

Wrong. Confirming the mason makes an obvious target for scum. Otherwise they have to guess.

Leaving the mason until later helps town.

No. Just no. Literally don't understand why people do not know how to play mafia.
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Carlton Lassiter, TOWN Vanilla. I am leaning that it was left as a flavor trap.

And plum "claimed" to have a detective scan and he said: TOWN Vanilla, TOWN Mason, and MAFIA Rolescanner.
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Corrik posted...

Shaduln posted...

Corrik posted...

Doctor is pointless now.

We should mass claim today. Whoever is the Mason and isn't claiming it is literally playing braindead. Your entire point of your role is to confirm as town by claiming.

Wrong. Confirming the mason makes an obvious target for scum. Otherwise they have to guess.

Leaving the mason until later helps town.

No. Just no. Literally don't understand why people do not know how to play mafia.

You're proving it right now. Unless eaed is mason, absolutely no reason to claim.
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Let me take it a step further.

Protection is roleblocked. Mason claims today when we already have scum. Yay, confirmed town! Guess what happens tonight? Dead mason.

Mason doesn't claim today and we lynch scum. Scum has to either take out protection or an unclaimed. Maybe a vanilla town that we couldn't confirm. Mason claims D4 maybe, yay there's a confirmed town in a smaller pool.
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Dipper pines; town vanilla

I literally have no idea who my character is >__>
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Yeah I like not fishing for more claims since scum is struggling not to shoot protection.

Probably because pirate is scum and they don't want to give it away, or they really think they can force a mislynch.
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Wait eaed's character is from the same show as the masons?

Seems a little overboard
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MZero11 posted...

Wait eaed's character is from the same show as the masons?

Seems a little overboard

I've been saying that since Gus flipped.
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yup, tange just claimed scum.
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Im here to state that gravy is scum

(Tag, pretty interesting read!)
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VI just confused the shit out of me
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VI just ruined the game

yup the scum team was me ulti and gravy ggs guys ban VI forever
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....what?
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Votals (as of post #273)
[1] Eaed - (SBell), Shad
[1] PJ - Sbell
[1] Shad - Tange

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends on September 14th at 10:00 PM EST
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But putting that nonsense aside:

1) Hell yes at nailing plum. I was worried because of how quiet it got near the end, but I was confident in the reasons for applying pressure so it just made sense.

2) Also The Gang from Sunny is a fucking A++ flavor choice for the scum team. Part of the reason I was nervous is because scum plum meant igcd was confirmed. But a confirmed thief meant there was a flavor split and I had no idea what that could even be. But now that it's revealed it makes perfect sense. The Gang is top tier PoS television characters. I am going to be leery of anyone who was easily accepting of igcd's claim early on though.

3) As I said yesterday the mason should not claim.. Rik is out of his damn mind to say otherwise. If you are the mason then the only reason you should claim is to prevent your own mislynch and try not to wait until the verry end of day, but otherwise keep it to yourself. The only exception to this is if red has a hard read on someone that needs to get shared. Honestly not even then though. Just give reds opinion as your own. So yeah there is nobeneficial reason to the mason claiming early. The longer the mason survives in this way the better for PoE it becomes.
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Also I know red very damn well. If there is ever a situation where two people claim mason I can sort that shit out in an instant.
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*crickets*

I'll keep digging once I'm home from work but I was hoping people would have more to say.

I'm surprised at the insistence that Eaed must be scum for instance. Would plum have really been that transparent at keeping him alive day 1? And why would he have included his own role as the possible scum role for ward?

Unless that was just another transparent attempt to make us say eaed must really just be vanilla.

It seems more likely that plum would have used that fake scan to make himself more believable when/if ward flipped vanilla. The obvious downside is he be included his own role which should have made him completely disbelieve igcd so everything falls apart around that hinge.

Which isn't to say ward is definitely town. I'm still curious why he seemed so agreeable day 1. In by particular because it was to Rik who is one of the least agreeable personalities on the board (No offense).
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Would plum have really been that transparent at keeping him alive day 1?

Why would he put himself out there otherwise?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And why would he have included his own role as the possible scum role for ward?

To give town less info.
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Except if we *acted on the info* by lynching the person who had a scum role show up in a detective scan them he would have outed himself as a liar.

That is one hell of a downside.

Like if eaed is scum and plum was going to leave a scum option then he would have put cards actual role in case we tested it. And if he was going to lie he could have just done 3 town roles to prevent us from testing him. Why do the worst of both worlds in which us testing gets them both killed?
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Plum only claimed when he was dead to rights. He didn't actually try to get out. There's no way he thought we were going to switch to eaed.
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Also, saying if we lynched eaed showed plum as scum, same is basically reversed. So it's a zero sum gambit.
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I nearly did until the pieces finished falling into place. It's not a small thing to lynch a claimed scanner.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I nearly did until the pieces finished falling into place. It's not a small thing to lynch a claimed scanner.

I mean, sure, but when he was already -2 (I think) and refused to claim for so long and obviously wasn't putting in the effort, he didn't think he was getting out.
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Eaed was at various points a defacto lynch yesterday. I don't think it's as outlandish as you think. Especially if plum had not completely bungled it.
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He sure wasn't at the time of the claim.
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My point is that from the perspective of driving the lynch to a scum eaed plum's "scan" makes no sense.

And from the perspective of driving the lynch (whether you thought it was possible or not) to a town eaed it makes more sense.

Even the inclusion of mason on the list is clearly geared towards hedging his bets on the off chance eaed was mason who lied about being vanilla.
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Including mason was again only providing less info for town. We know there's town vanilla, we know there's town mason, and then his own role to give the least info as possible.

He wasn't trying to drive the lynch to a scum eaed. If anything, he was trying to clear both of them for the day. He knew they were on borrowed time if nothing else. But the fact that he really didn't try shows how futile he knew it was.
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If he was just trying to "borrow time" then don't you suppose he would have picked a claim that wouldnt collapse in the event either one of them was lynched?

I'm not saying consider ward town forever but don't you see how it doesn't add up?
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Eaed*
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So why did plum save eaed day 1 then? Did he really think it was best to put his neck out to decide in a town v town lynch?
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There's also the fact that Eaed didn't want to kill plum yesterday

...Wait I think I'm on to something brb
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Shaduln posted...

So why did plum save eaed day 1 then? Did he really think it was best to put his neck out to decide in a town v town lynch?

It could be as simple as seizing an opportunity to kill a better player in Scare. And town are often wrong on the day 1 lynch. That by itself is not necessarily damning. The worst part of that for plum was his 180 on wanting to NL.
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There's voting town and there's saying you want to not lynch an unclaimed and then hammering an unclaimed. One is a fairly common D1 town event, the other isn't.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

See, I'm a little pissed because everyone I want to lynch is either claimed power or i used to feel good about. I'm also weary of Plum because I feel like if I had been lynched everything said about Plum could be said about MZero.

So i guess I'll lynch anybody but really only feel town about SBell and Shad.

Give me a reason for disliking Plum more than well he saved eaed over the cop because that is all results oriented. If I had died the same argument could have been made against Sheep (though his was after deadline) or MZero.

He made this same argument basically twice. The problem is that he shouldn't know that I'm town (and I think he was kind of scum-reading me anyway), so even if the same argument could be made about me it wouldn't mean plum isn't scum. Admittedly this isn't as juicy as I thought it would be but it's possibly a perspective slip?

He was also very hesitant to kill plum but also said "I'll lynch anybody" lol
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Also, as scum, I don't think plum makes that vote if it's town v town. I know I wouldn't.
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I actually don't see that as a perspective slip. In fact, he's more saying "I know I'm town so plum didn't scum save me, so if I died you'd just be going after mzero instead". If that makes sense.
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Shaduln posted...

I actually don't see that as a perspective slip. In fact, he's more saying "I know I'm town so plum didn't scum save me, so if I died you'd just be going after mzero instead". If that makes sense.

Yeah, but the thing is there are multiple scum in the game, so just because the same argument could be applied to me doesn't make plum not scum. Unless of course I'm Town and he knows that. Then he's saying this argument could be applied to a town player so it doesn't work

But yeah, the bigger issue is that he came with it twice trying to diffuse the plum lynch, which coupled with plum saving him looks really bad
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Eaed said this within 10 minutes of red's flip:

eaedwards6400
09/09/18 10:10:04 PM
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Also, there seems to be a lot of psych being represented surprisingly.
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Eaed

Are you saying he decided that early what his fake claim would be and rather than switch to a less suspicious fake claim from the safe list he sticks with it and makes a comment about how many characters from the show must be in the game last?
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Game... list*? Not sure what my phone was going for there.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Are you saying he decided that early what his fake claim would be and rather than switch to a less suspicious fake claim from the safe list he sticks with it and makes a comment about how many characters from the show must be in the game last?

I mean... probably? I usually pick a fake claim before the game starts and sometimes drop a few bread crumbs for credibility. It's really a crazy thing
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