Board 8 > TV Crossover Mafia - Topic 5 - "TV Related Quote"

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Obellisk posted...

Frank Reynolds is Danny Devito from its Always Sunny...

And you can't make any claims to knowing how this game is balanced

When all you know as fact is:

Dead Cop
Dead Thief
Dead Mason
Alive Mason
Claimed Doctor
Claimed Bodyguard
Dead ScumRoleScanner

You can't say "OH SHIT, I know how this game is balanced even though there are still 8 unknown roles to be discovered"

You are trying very hard to insert confusion into the game and cloud things.

Yes, any one with mafia experience can figure out the balance of the game with over half the roles revealed.
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik, the problem you have, and its a problem that many others in the world have, is that you don't know how to admit when you don't know something.

You are always right, have to be, even when you are wrong, you are right because you say so. Its a flaw, but you aren't alone.

It is gonna be so funny seeing your sad face for your last word like plum's when I end your scumminess this game.
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Corrik posted...

You are trying very hard to insert confusion into the game and cloud things.

Pot, Kettle, Time to go do some work.
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Votals (as of post #353)
[1] Eaed - (SBell), Shad
[1] PJ - SBell
[1] Shad - Tange
[1] SBell - Corrik
[0] Corrik - (Sultan)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends on September 14th at 10:00 PM EST
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So pj or pirate one claim is a lie more then likely. 2 blockers seems unlikely
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So pj or pirate one claim is a lie more then likely. 2 blockers seems unlikely

Why would either of them lie here?

If Pirate is scum, he knows they roleblocked PJ last night so he couldn't claim roleblocked. If PJ is scum, why does he 1 for 1 with pirate or vice versa? The likeliest answer is that scum has a jack that had a singular use roleblock which they used last night.
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A jack could make sense.
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And with Jack being the likeliest answer. It makes zero sense to assume claiming mason is a death sentence to the Mason tonight. Especially with how many people are basically town at this point. Like, Mzero and I am basically confirmed town. Who the hell cares about a Mason with the clusterfuck going on right now for the scum team
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As is FD if eaed is scum.
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And why couldn't either of scum not claim roleblocked?
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Maybe that's a dumb question
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Corrik posted...

If Pirate is scum, he knows they roleblocked PJ last night so he couldn't claim roleblocked. If PJ is scum, why does he 1 for 1 with pirate or vice versa?

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I don't have any more information other than both protection has claimed roleblocked. Just like sbell mentioned.

Considering how much everyone said "if plum is scum, so is eaed" yesterday, we are getting a lot of people wanting other lynches.
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Since when did you start believing both claims anyway, Corrik?
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Shaduln posted...

I don't have any more information other than both protection has claimed roleblocked. Just like sbell mentioned.

Considering how much everyone said "if plum is scum, so is eaed" yesterday, we are getting a lot of people wanting other lynches.

There is just as much chance Plum only rolled over because it would make eaed get mislynched in return. That said, it is unlikely and Eaed is likely scum, but there is no reason to not massclaim today. There is nothing to protect here.
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Shaduln posted...

Since when did you start believing both claims anyway, Corrik?

If there is not another protection claim, they both are true. Bodyguard is abysmally weak protection. Doctor is slightly not enough alone. Together they work. BG town roleblocker/Jailkeeper is a viable combo also or Doctor/BP.

For example, a BG/BP does not work together.
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*Multiple people give reasons not to mass claim*

Corrik: No reason not to.
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I'll give you this though, I think a mass claim tomorrow is probably good.
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two confirmable
two investigative
one protection

with 1 kill per night so far.

I'm not seeing the problem. cant figure out why corrik is convinced 2 protection has to exist. oh right, I know nothing of balance.
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Obellisk posted...

two confirmable
two investigative
one protection

with 1 kill per night so far.

I'm not seeing the problem. cant figure out why corrik is convinced 2 protection has to exist. oh right, I know nothing of balance.

Yeah, it is okay. You will learn in time.
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I am quiet curious as how one becomes so condescending.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I am quiet curious as how one becomes so condescending.

It is friendlg banter.
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I'm not sure what to make of the protection blocks last night. I'm still feeling both as town, probably just a scum Jack as a few have said but that must mean they were really scared of God for whatever reason, if they wanted to get both protection. Maybe he was on the right lines in terms of lynches as well, I know I agreed with most of what he said and did. Or maybe there's just an obvious flavour split as was also mentioned.

Don't really mind either way with the massclaim. If the Mason claims I will, and if anyone feels like same time claiming I probably will as well. Mason would mean confirmed town and confirmed town Red's opinion, but scum probably want to keep Pirate and PJ alive as long as possible and can roleblock one of them for as long as they want so there is a decent chance they get killed. Up to them if they want to or not.

The simple lynch worked yesterday, no need to overcomplicate things.

##Vote: Ed

Corrik, Bell, sorta Sultan too, can we please stop the pointless arguing and jabs? We got Corrik doing stuff and being civil during the last half or so of yesterday which meant shit got done and I feel like going back to the squabbling makes it easier for scum to go under the radar.

If there's only one protection we should have some sort of utility role out there. If that is the case only having 5 non-vanilla town in a 15 man game is not enough (especially with only three being power).
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I am quiet curious as how one becomes so condescending.

People fueling him all the time probably helps!
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Scum will want to keep pushing to claim longer and longer because they want to know what roles are out there before they claim in case they can get tripped up.

They also will want to push the Mason back as far as possible so either they can get to a Mylo situation where they can fake claim it and have a who is the real mason situation. Or to counterclaim it if they get ahead in the game and again make it between them two and try to 1 for 1.
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Sheep007 posted...

I'm not sure what to make of the protection blocks last night. I'm still feeling both as town, probably just a scum Jack as a few have said but that must mean they were really scared of God for whatever reason, if they wanted to get both protection. Maybe he was on the right lines in terms of lynches as well, I know I agreed with most of what he said and did. Or maybe there's just an obvious flavour split as was also mentioned.

Don't really mind either way with the massclaim. If the Mason claims I will, and if anyone feels like same time claiming I probably will as well. Mason would mean confirmed town and confirmed town Red's opinion, but scum probably want to keep Pirate and PJ alive as long as possible and can roleblock one of them for as long as they want so there is a decent chance they get killed. Up to them if they want to or not.

The simple lynch worked yesterday, no need to overcomplicate things.

##Vote: Ed

Corrik, Bell, sorta Sultan too, can we please stop the pointless arguing and jabs? We got Corrik doing stuff and being civil during the last half or so of yesterday which meant shit got done and I feel like going back to the squabbling makes it easier for scum to go under the radar.

If there's only one protection we should have some sort of utility role out there. If that is the case only having 5 non-vanilla town in a 15 man game is not enough (especially with only three being power).

Plum flipped scum so let's see if ed will go down screaming

##vote:ed
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Harris while I have you here, who did you try to target yesterday?
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Shaduln posted...

Harris while I have you here, who did you try to target yesterday?

You mean save right?

God was the one that I wanted to save again
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Yeah maybe it's friendly banter Corrik but it's a bit annoying to read for the rest of us. It often adds next to nothing to the game.

Looks like Ed was recently here. Ed, you're our best lynch by a long way, to me and basically the entire rest of the game. Give me your best suggestion as an alternative, and two who haven't yet claimed power you think are Town. With reasons.

Mason absolutely should claim before MYLO, you're right there, but we're nowhere near that. I'd not be shocked if there's no power left to claim either, and all that does is make the Mason a better target.
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Sheep007 posted...

Corrik, Bell, sorta Sultan too, can we please stop the pointless arguing and jabs?

discussion of possible theories is healthy. it's not pointless. Corrik however could stop being a dick. that would def. make reading this topic more enjoyable.
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14 players. 4 scum.

10 - 4
8 - 4
6 - 4
4 - 4

3 mislynches to win. They have 1. And this also assumes they do not have a scum jack who purposely has held back a shot so far (not that it changes much).

Let's say Eaed is a wrong lunch unfathomably. I don't think even eaed himself is fighting his lynch much. Then they come into tomorrow claiming mason on Mylo and try to 1 for 1.
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Sheep007 posted...

Mason absolutely should claim before MYLO, you're right there, but we're nowhere near that.

Really?
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Didn't we start with 15?
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Shaduln posted...

Didn't we start with 15?

Thought MI dropped out to make it 14 again.
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8 - 3

6 - 3

4 - 3

mislynch today doesnt put us as mylo.
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Obellisk posted...

8 - 3

6 - 3

4 - 3

mislynch today doesnt put us as mylo.

If it is 15 then, a possible held back nightshot by a scum jack is in play.

You also have to consider a survivor at that point.

11-4 without an extra kill is not likelier than 10-4-1.
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Obellisk posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Corrik, Bell, sorta Sultan too, can we please stop the pointless arguing and jabs?

discussion of possible theories is healthy. it's not pointless. Corrik however could stop being a dick. that would def. make reading this topic more enjoyable.

Yeah, the theories are good. Jabs such as the second sentence are exactly what I mean. Pisses most people off and distracts from the actual ongoing argument which is the helpful part.

The extra shot is a good point to consider, hadn't really thought of that. It's definitely a possibility, that would make tomorrow MYLO if we mislynch today.
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Sheep007 posted...

Yeah, the theories are good. Jabs such as the second sentence are exactly what I mean. Pisses most people off and distracts from the actual ongoing argument which is the helpful part.

oh I'm the problem for telling corrik to stop being a dick when he is being a dick?

fuxk you.
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Extra Shot?!?!?! jesus christ. what if there is a poisoner and someone is going to just turn up dead out of nowhere. the. we are at mylo right now!

theories are great. absurd ones are not.

focus on the knowns, not the unknowns.
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Obellisk posted...

Extra Shot?!?!?! jesus christ. what if there is a poisoner and someone is going to just turn up dead out of nowhere. the. we are at mylo right now!

theories are great. absurd ones are not.

focus on the knowns, not the unknowns.

It is not absurd. If a 2nd roleblock is legit, a scum jack is very likely. It could easily have a kill they would have possibly waited to use to have the game at Mylo without their knowledge.

I mean, you only yourself as scum waited to use the paralyze to win the game that way, Sbell. You are playing games and trying to muck this game up.

You were all for same time claiming plum yesterday and shit. But, now you are all against claiming to the high moon.

You week of shadiness.
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Reek
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I have a paranoid feeling in the back of my neck that plum initially was going to same time claim with Sbell (his scummate) in a way they could confirm themselves (likely with plums detective scan). Then when we became convinced of a link between eaed and plum, he decided not to in order to roll over and achieve eaed's mislynch. To sbell's surprise.

So now he has run back to the no one should claim position.
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I was playing with plum. there's a difference.

my problem here is that you are refusing to believe that the claims can be lies but are so willing to accept anything else based on the claims.

do you get where I am coming from here or are you deliberately not trying to understand.
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Obellisk posted...

I was playing with plum. there's a difference.

my problem here is that you are refusing to believe that the claims can be lies but are so willing to accept anything else based on the claims.

do you get where I am coming from here or are you deliberately not trying to understand.

Claims aren't lies if puzzle pieces don't exist to make them not fit.
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I wanted to quote, Sheep, but i'm on my phone. I want to get rid of one of these fake protections. Get it out of the way. They cant both have been blocked. Secondly, you asked who I liked that was claimed power and I like Sbell and I like Shad. I think both have been doing decent work. Also, i'm turning back around on Corrik because I dont think a scum member would bus his team mate as hard as corrik went after plum.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I wanted to quote, Sheep, but i'm on my phone. I want to get rid of one of these fake protections. Get it out of the way. They cant both have been blocked. Secondly, you asked who I liked that was claimed power and I like Sbell and I like Shad. I think both have been doing decent work. Also, i'm turning back around on Corrik because I dont think a scum member would bus his team mate as hard as corrik went after plum.

Interesting when I offer up lynch ideas other than yours how you slowly pivot back. Lol. Sounds self-preserving.
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Corrik posted...

Obellisk posted...

I was playing with plum. there's a difference.

my problem here is that you are refusing to believe that the claims can be lies but are so willing to accept anything else based on the claims.

do you get where I am coming from here or are you deliberately not trying to understand.

Claims aren't lies if puzzle pieces don't exist to make them not fit.

claims can be lies if they are not believable. if you are going to play the game and make decisions by meta-ing setup and not balancing play with claims, we will have to agree to disagree.

we lynch eaed today. (said noting that I am currently on peej)
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Corrik posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

I wanted to quote, Sheep, but i'm on my phone. I want to get rid of one of these fake protections. Get it out of the way. They cant both have been blocked. Secondly, you asked who I liked that was claimed power and I like Sbell and I like Shad. I think both have been doing decent work. Also, i'm turning back around on Corrik because I dont think a scum member would bus his team mate as hard as corrik went after plum.

Interesting when I offer up lynch ideas other than yours how you slowly pivot back. Lol. Sounds self-preserving.

eaedwards6400 posted...

I would love to lynch Corrik but with Plum flipping. Unless he was busing like crazy, Corrik is likely town. I am more curious about how we have two protections and both are claiming blocked.

But you know say what you need to say
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Corrik posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

I wanted to quote, Sheep, but i'm on my phone. I want to get rid of one of these fake protections. Get it out of the way. They cant both have been blocked. Secondly, you asked who I liked that was claimed power and I like Sbell and I like Shad. I think both have been doing decent work. Also, i'm turning back around on Corrik because I dont think a scum member would bus his team mate as hard as corrik went after plum.

Interesting when I offer up lynch ideas other than yours how you slowly pivot back. Lol. Sounds self-preserving.

eaedwards6400 posted...

I would love to lynch Corrik but with Plum flipping. Unless he was busing like crazy, Corrik is likely town. I am more curious about how we have two protections and both are claiming blocked.

But you know say what you need to say

Interesting how you go from likely town to "turning back around on Corrik"
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Likely town is most definitely turning it around from yesterday when you went from town to probably scum.
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