Poll of the Day > How is pachinko even remotely gambling?

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Lokarin 09/12/18 3:32:00 PM #1:	Isn't it totally deterministic, like pinball? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:908611440] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>Isn't it totally deterministic, like pinball?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 09/12/18 4:19:49 PM #2:	also what's this despacito everyone's obsessed with --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:908614232] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>also what's this despacito everyone's obsessed with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
madadude 09/12/18 4:36:24 PM #3:	Lokarin posted... Isn't it totally deterministic, like pinball? So you are saying.... its a gamble? --- http://www.last.fm/user/madadude17 <cite>madadude posted [p:908615227] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't it totally deterministic, like pinball?</quote> So you are saying.... its a gamble?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 09/12/18 4:39:02 PM #4:	madadude posted... Lokarin posted... Isn't it totally deterministic, like pinball? So you are saying.... its a gamble? The opposite, I don't see how there is any random chance - it's all Newtonian, no? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:908615404] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote><cite>madadude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't it totally deterministic, like pinball?</quote> So you are saying.... its a gamble?</quote> The opposite, I don't see how there is any random chance - it's all Newtonian, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 09/12/18 4:41:56 PM #5:	It's not truly random, but the determinism is sufficiently out of the player's control as to be considered random. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:908615571] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>It's not truly random, but the determinism is sufficiently out of the player's control as to be considered random.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/12/18 4:48:28 PM #6:	It's gambling if there's a monetary payout. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:908615931] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>It's gambling if there's a monetary payout.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarGreymon77 09/12/18 8:43:42 PM #7:	Ask the Yakuza who run pachinko places? --- Creator of the official Digimon: Digital Monsters community board! https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1430-digimon-digital-monsters <cite>WarGreymon77 posted [p:908629181] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>Ask the Yakuza who run pachinko places?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JOExHIGASHI 09/12/18 9:51:07 PM #8:	there is a slot machine mechanism in it too --- Next Xbox will be named Xbox1 2 <cite>JOExHIGASHI posted [p:908633566] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>there is a slot machine mechanism in it too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/12/18 9:56:52 PM #9:	Randomized outcomes isnt what makes something gambling Also, no. You can drop a ball in exactly the same spot sometimes and it might act differently depending on just microgrooves on a ball or the minor ways a previous balls affected the pins or whatever --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:908633906] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>Randomized outcomes isnt what makes something gambling Also, no. You can drop a ball in exactly the same spot sometimes and it might act differently depending on just microgrooves on a ball or the minor ways a previous balls affected the pins or whatever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeeVees 09/12/18 10:03:27 PM #10:	Technically, it's not. You can't win money. --- Rudy sucks <cite>VeeVees posted [p:908634368] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>Technically, it's not. You can't win money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/12/18 10:05:38 PM #11:	https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pachinko-japan-pinball-gambling-revenue-money-las-vegas-a8464881.html --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:908634504] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pachinko-japan-pinball-gambling-revenue-money-las-vegas-a8464881.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 09/12/18 10:28:44 PM #12:	Mead posted... You can drop a ball in exactly the same spot sometimes and it might act differently depending on just microgrooves on a ball or the minor ways a previous balls affected the pins or whatever In which case you aren't dropping it quite exactly the same way. There are factors that will determine how it falls, which means it isn't truly random. The fact that those factors are out of the player's control, however, means it's effectively random. Technically, though, you can say the same about pretty much any random thing. RNG's use some sort of algorithm to simulate randomness, which means there is an element of determinism there. A die roll is the outcome of deterministic physical forces. These are generally hard enough to manipulate that they can be used as suitable approximations of randomness, but if you dig deep enough, they aren't truly random. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:908635916] in How is pac... [t:76994759]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>You can drop a ball in exactly the same spot sometimes and it might act differently depending on just microgrooves on a ball or the minor ways a previous balls affected the pins or whatever</quote> In which case you aren't dropping it quite exactly the same way. There are factors that will determine how it falls, which means it isn't truly random. The fact that those factors are out of the player's control, however, means it's effectively random. Technically, though, you can say the same about pretty much any random thing. RNG's use some sort of algorithm to simulate randomness, which means there is an element of determinism there. A die roll is the outcome of deterministic physical forces. These are generally hard enough to manipulate that they can be used as suitable approximations of randomness, but if you dig deep enough, they aren't truly random.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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