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DarkTransient
09/20/18 12:28:38 AM
#52:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Who actually supports abortion?
It's an unfortunate resolution to an unfortunate situation, but sometimes it's the only real viable option.

I can't think of anyone who advocates abortion to the point of "you should get an abortion! I'll drive you there now, and we can get smoothies afterwords!" Maybe radical population control loonies, but I don't know any of those.


They don't overtly encourage it, on the surface they just support legalizing it - then their encouragement to actually do it is much more subtle (not to mention, quite targetted towards certain ethnic groups that on the surface they claim to be trying to help, rather than eradicate - you notice how much difference there is in their attitude towards immigration from places it's illegal vs places it's legal?).
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:31:20 AM
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TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 12:33:40 AM
#54:


Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on HeLa cells?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa
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AlephZero
09/20/18 12:34:37 AM
#55:


remember when lena dunham said she's never had an abortion but wishes she had
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 12:35:46 AM
#56:


AlephZero posted...
remember when lena dunham said she's never had an abortion but wishes she had

I wonder what her kids thought of that, if she has any...
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SailorGoon
09/20/18 12:41:20 AM
#57:


Conflict posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Cilolntro posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Cilolntro posted...
dontIoseyourway posted...
Because killing humans is wrong.

I agree. Good thing that isn't what abortion is.


WHATEVER MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.

The fact remains, if you do not do abortion, a baby will eventually form.

Thus, baby killers.

If you have sex, a baby will form. By masturbating, you are killing babies.
Thus, baby killers.
See how easy that is?


If your intention was to make the pro-choice side look bad, you're doing an excellent job.


Really? Because he just aptly demonstrated that pro-lifers have zero understanding about the concept of cause and effect

Hardly. Let's say you don't beat your meat. You leave em in yo nut. A baby ain't gonna just magically form inside yo balls. Nah. Leaving those sperm cells be will result in the same outcome as nutting in your hand.

You leave a fertilized egg alone? Shiiiiiet.
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DarkTransient
09/20/18 12:42:44 AM
#58:


SailorGoon posted...
Conflict posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Cilolntro posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Cilolntro posted...
dontIoseyourway posted...
Because killing humans is wrong.

I agree. Good thing that isn't what abortion is.


WHATEVER MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.

The fact remains, if you do not do abortion, a baby will eventually form.

Thus, baby killers.

If you have sex, a baby will form. By masturbating, you are killing babies.
Thus, baby killers.
See how easy that is?


If your intention was to make the pro-choice side look bad, you're doing an excellent job.


Really? Because he just aptly demonstrated that pro-lifers have zero understanding about the concept of cause and effect

Hardly. Let's say you don't beat your meat. You leave em in yo nut. A baby ain't gonna just magically form inside yo balls. Nah. Leaving those sperm cells be will result in the same outcome as nutting in your hand.

You leave a fertilized egg alone? Shiiiiiet.


This.

Again - preventing a life from ever forming in the first place, is not the same thing as actively terminating it.

Which is actually a concept even pro-choicers acknowledge; they just rely on propaganda that redefines what counts as "a life". Pretty much 3/5ths all over again, just with 0/5ths instead and age rather than race.
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Tmaster148
09/20/18 12:43:40 AM
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Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.
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Zikten
09/20/18 12:44:09 AM
#61:


TC to address your question

It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future
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catboy0_0
09/20/18 12:44:32 AM
#62:


Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:47:43 AM
#63:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on HeLa cells?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Immortal cancer cells. They belonged to a human once but now are their own thing. Henrietta Lacks could not be regrown from HeLa cells, so they do not constitute a person. The cells in an embryo will form a human, so a person is alive.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/20/18 12:48:18 AM
#64:


catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid
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DarkTransient
09/20/18 12:49:17 AM
#65:


Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.


I'm not, I'm equating it to treating someone as less of a person (or a non-person) because treating them as a person is inconvenient to you.
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Tmaster148
09/20/18 12:49:56 AM
#66:


DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.


I'm not, I'm equating it to treating someone as less of a person (or a non-person) because treating them as a person is inconvenient to you.


That's what slavery is.
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DarkTransient
09/20/18 12:50:19 AM
#67:


Acceleration posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on HeLa cells?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Immortal cancer cells. They belonged to a human once but now are their own thing. Henrietta Lacks could not be regrown from HeLa cells, so they do not constitute a person. The cells in an embryo will form a human, so a person is alive.


Okay, slight subject change here. Let's suppose you could regrow the whole person from that. Would they have the same conciousness (even though they likely wouldn't have the same memories due to growing a new brain from scratch and all)? What would happen here if the original person was still alive too? Would it be a similar situation to identical twins, or something a bit closer - possibly even a "one mind, two bodies" situation?
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:50:28 AM
#68:


CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.
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Tmaster148
09/20/18 12:51:16 AM
#69:


Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.


Oh look it's Hey wanting to punish women for having sex, because he'll never get laid.
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catboy0_0
09/20/18 12:51:41 AM
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lmao
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 12:52:13 AM
#71:


Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.

Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy.
If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:52:35 AM
#72:


DarkTransient posted...
Acceleration posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on HeLa cells?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Immortal cancer cells. They belonged to a human once but now are their own thing. Henrietta Lacks could not be regrown from HeLa cells, so they do not constitute a person. The cells in an embryo will form a human, so a person is alive.


Okay, slight subject change here. Let's suppose you could regrow the whole person from that. Would they have the same conciousness (even though they likely wouldn't have the same memories due to growing a new brain from scratch and all)? What would happen here if the original person was still alive too? Would it be a similar situation to identical twins, or something a bit closer - possibly even a "one mind, two bodies" situation?

They would be clones, so yes it is the equivalent of identical twins. I doubt they would have any recollection of her original memories, but no one has ever been cloned that we know of so I dont know.
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catboy0_0
09/20/18 12:52:48 AM
#73:


Questionmarktarius posted...
If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?

he copped that tub tho
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:54:08 AM
#74:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.

Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy.
If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?

You can have him removed yes, but you cant kill him unless he threatens your life, which if the fetus is threatening the mothers life it has to be killed.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/20/18 12:54:47 AM
#75:


Tmaster148 posted...
Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.


Oh look it's Hey wanting to punish women for having sex, because he'll never get laid.

No lies detected
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 12:54:59 AM
#76:


Acceleration posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.

Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy.
If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?

You can have him removed yes, but you cant kill him unless he threatens your life, which if the fetus is threatening the mothers life it has to be killed.

It's not my concern that he has no guarantee of survival once I kick his ass out the door.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 12:55:04 AM
#77:


DarkTransient posted...
Just to give one example, I'm pretty much as non-religious as they come, and yet here I am on the anti-abortion side.

Anyone who isn't religious and is anti-abortion just has zero understanding of biology. At least religious people can hide behind their brainwashing. People who don't believe the mythology and oppose abortion are just flat out uneducated.
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Darmik
09/20/18 12:55:20 AM
#78:


It's pretty easy to force a miscarriage. Sometimes those even happen naturally.

An abortion will always be the safest option for an unwanted pregnancy.
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SailorGoon
09/20/18 12:55:54 AM
#79:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.

Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy.
If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?

Nice analogy. Perhaps if you were told beforehand "hey if you throw a party then this guy is going to crash in your bathtub if you party irresponsibly. Despite knowing that are you willing to take that risk and let him in?" and if you say yes, let him in, and party irresponsibly knowing full well the risk you're taking then you mightve been onto something.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 12:56:25 AM
#80:


Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Yes, I have taken both. Now please, actually attempt to prove that the brain is not the source of consciousness (hint: you can't).
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:56:30 AM
#81:


Tmaster148 posted...
Acceleration posted...
CantKeepMeDown posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.

shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality

And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid

Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.


Oh look it's Hey wanting to punish women for having sex, because he'll never get laid.

Nice flame. I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life. The disenfranchisement of unborn children is a great immunizing strategy by pro-choicers. By removing the humanity of something, it becomes easy to oppress them.
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 12:56:49 AM
#82:


Darmik posted...
It's pretty easy to force a miscarriage.

That reminds me - I need to find a way to invest in pennyroyal futures, were Roe looking to be seriously threatened. Maybe also buy some stock in Greyhound.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 12:57:03 AM
#83:


Zikten posted...
TC to address your question

It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future

Then I hope you never use a condom, because you are destroying the future.
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Mareen
09/20/18 12:57:50 AM
#84:


I support it.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/20/18 12:58:30 AM
#85:


Cilolntro posted...
Zikten posted...
TC to address your question

It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future

Then I hope you never use a condom, because you are destroying the future.

Let's be real, it's Zikten you're talking to. They're all going into a crusty gym sock. Him and Hey both. Easy to judge when you're not getting any.
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Acceleration
09/20/18 12:58:40 AM
#86:


Cilolntro posted...
Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Yes, I have taken both. Now please, actually attempt to prove that the brain is not the source of consciousness (hint: you can't).

Please state where you learned that consciousness is what gives life. I seriously doubt you paid attention in those classes if you believe that is what determines species.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 12:59:50 AM
#87:


Acceleration posted...
Cilolntro posted...
Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Yes, I have taken both. Now please, actually attempt to prove that the brain is not the source of consciousness (hint: you can't).

Please state where you learned that consciousness is what gives life. I seriously doubt you paid attention in those classes if you believe that is what determines species.

I never said consciousness=life. I said consciousness=humanity. Have you ever taken a college level or even high school level english course? If not, I recommend you hire a tutor so you can learn to read.
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Acceleration
09/20/18 1:00:10 AM
#88:


CantKeepMeDown posted...
Cilolntro posted...
Zikten posted...
TC to address your question

It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future

Then I hope you never use a condom, because you are destroying the future.

Let's be real, it's Zikten you're talking to. They're all going into a crusty gym sock. Him and Hey both. Easy to judge when you're not getting any.

It is not my fault that I am better than you. More intelligent. Greater. Maybe if you had an argument you wouldnt have to resort to petty flames. Tell me, how many accounts have you lost these past few months? A dozen? I havent lost any.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 1:01:03 AM
#89:


Acceleration posted...
It is not my fault that I am better than you. More intelligent. Greater. Maybe if you had an argument you wouldnt have to resort to petty flames. Tell me, how many accounts have you lost these past few months? A dozen? I havent lost any.

Zikten alt?
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CantKeepMeDown
09/20/18 1:01:33 AM
#90:


Acceleration posted...
Tell me, how many accounts have you lost these past few months? A dozen? I havent lost any.

You spent a whole week suiciding literally hundreds of alts for your failure of a "Hey Day". You have zero room to talk. Also LMAO at you being more intelligent than anyone.
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Tmaster148
09/20/18 1:01:42 AM
#91:


Hey bitches I flamed him. Proceeds to flame another user.
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 1:01:49 AM
#92:


Acceleration posted...
I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life.

Yet, you're cool with enslaving a woman to be an incubator for a trespasser, for nine months or so.
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Cilolntro
09/20/18 1:02:21 AM
#93:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life.

Yet, you're cool with enslaving a woman to be an incubator for a trespasser, for nine months or so.

You mean 18 years.
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Acceleration
09/20/18 1:02:37 AM
#94:


Cilolntro posted...
Acceleration posted...
Cilolntro posted...
Acceleration posted...
TC you keep saying that a fetus is just a collection of cells and not a human is a biological fact. Im going to ask you this: have you ever taken a college level or even high school level biology course? If not, I recommend you buy a textbook so you can learn the basics.

Yes, I have taken both. Now please, actually attempt to prove that the brain is not the source of consciousness (hint: you can't).

Please state where you learned that consciousness is what gives life. I seriously doubt you paid attention in those classes if you believe that is what determines species.

I never said consciousness=life. I said consciousness=humanity. Have you ever taken a college level or even high school level english course? If not, I recommend you hire a tutor so you can learn to read.

Philosophy has nothing to do with biology. Consciousness does not determine humanity in the sense that a fetus is human. Its DNA does. Maybe consciousness can be used to justify Aristotles definition that the human is the rational animal, but presenting that idea would get you laughed out of any classroom.
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SailorGoon
09/20/18 1:03:07 AM
#95:


Cilolntro posted...
Zikten posted...
TC to address your question

It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future

Then I hope you never use a condom, because you are destroying the future.

Please see post #57

A nut left alone and isolated isn't gonna be a baby. One guy doesn't have sex. The other guy does but uses a condom. Both of their sperm are going to die. Sperm doesn't live eternally in the nut. The outcome will always remain the same for a sperm.

You can't say the same about a fertilized egg.
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 1:03:32 AM
#96:


Cilolntro posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life.

Yet, you're cool with enslaving a woman to be an incubator for a trespasser, for nine months or so.

You mean 18 years.

oooooooooo.
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CantKeepMeDown
09/20/18 1:03:46 AM
#97:


Acceleration posted...
get you laughed out of any classroom.

You're quite familiar with that, we know.
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XxKrebsxX
09/20/18 1:04:27 AM
#98:


Thank god for abortion.

Shit happens. I have one kid and would of had three if abortion wasnt an option. I swear my guys are super swimmers. Little bastards.
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KStateKing17
09/20/18 1:04:48 AM
#99:


I'm not really a fan of abortion, but I believe it's necessary. I hate to know there are people that would have casual sex with some random and not use the protection that leads to unwanted pregnancies, or teens who aren't educated with the consequences. I do however support it because while some of us look at it as a potential life, it hasn't developed everything a baby should have to survive outside the womb. I'd also rather let someone who is at high risk have that option as well.

I am not however okay with late term abortion. If the baby is at a stage where it's possible to live outside the womb, it's too late.
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Tmaster148
09/20/18 1:05:08 AM
#100:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Cilolntro posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life.

Yet, you're cool with enslaving a woman to be an incubator for a trespasser, for nine months or so.

You mean 18 years.

oooooooooo.


If we want to be very accurate. It would 18 years and 9 months.
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Questionmarktarius
09/20/18 1:06:12 AM
#101:


Tmaster148 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Cilolntro posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life.

Yet, you're cool with enslaving a woman to be an incubator for a trespasser, for nine months or so.

You mean 18 years.

oooooooooo.


If we want to be very accurate. It would 18 years and 9 months.

Well, 26 so long as health insurance is involved.
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Acceleration
09/20/18 1:06:44 AM
#102:


Tmaster148 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Cilolntro posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Acceleration posted...
I fully support the rights of people to do whatever they want, however, you do not have the right to control anothers life.

Yet, you're cool with enslaving a woman to be an incubator for a trespasser, for nine months or so.

You mean 18 years.

oooooooooo.


If we want to be very accurate. It would 18 years and 9 months.

Adoption
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