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Darmik 09/20/18 1:09:35 AM #103:	Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909096541] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:10:44 AM #104:	Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909096575] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/20/18 1:11:21 AM #105:	I agree. Without the notion of a soul, abortion is far less controversial. Everyone against abortion may not do so on religious grounds, but the majority do. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909096600] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>I agree. Without the notion of a soul, abortion is far less controversial. Everyone against abortion may not do so on religious grounds, but the majority do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SailorGoon 09/20/18 1:11:23 AM #106:	Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Yeah. Real Talk, You might end up doin some Oedipus Rex shit. No thank you please --- CE in a nutshell: https://imgtc.com/i/ApLTn8w.gif <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:909096603] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Yeah. Real Talk, You might end up doin some Oedipus Rex shit. No thank you please</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CantKeepMeDown 09/20/18 1:12:39 AM #107:	Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? You're being disingenuous Hey. No one is killing children. Just fetuses. --- Can't Bring me doWn - AZ <cite>CantKeepMeDown posted [p:909096638] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> You're being disingenuous Hey. No one is killing children. Just fetuses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:12:50 AM #108:	Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? You don't kill the child at birth. And yes giving a child up for adoption is a much bigger responsibility than having an abortion. You can't just drop it a fire station and expect that part of your life to be done. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909096642] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> You don't kill the child at birth. And yes giving a child up for adoption is a much bigger responsibility than having an abortion. You can't just drop it a fire station and expect that part of your life to be done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/20/18 1:13:54 AM #109:	Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? Abort them and you don't have to worry about them having consciousness or you developing an attachment to the child you pushed out of your vagina and who may be in for a shitty life if you give them up. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909096683] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> Abort them and you don't have to worry about them having consciousness or you developing an attachment to the child you pushed out of your vagina and who may be in for a shitty life if you give them up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SailorGoon 09/20/18 1:13:56 AM #110:	Darmik posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? You don't kill the child at birth. And yes giving a child up for adoption is a much bigger responsibility than having an abortion. You can't just drop it a fire station and expect that part of your life to be done. Not with that attitude you can't --- CE in a nutshell: https://imgtc.com/i/ApLTn8w.gif <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:909096686] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> You don't kill the child at birth. And yes giving a child up for adoption is a much bigger responsibility than having an abortion. You can't just drop it a fire station and expect that part of your life to be done.</quote> Not with that attitude you can't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:14:25 AM #111:	CantKeepMeDown posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? You're being disingenuous Hey. No one is killing children. Just fetuses. How so? Look up the definition of child. A fetus is included in it. All fetuses are children; not all children are fetuses. All children are humans; not all humans are children. That type of logic is something you should have been taught a long time ago. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909096698] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>CantKeepMeDown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> You're being disingenuous Hey. No one is killing children. Just fetuses.</quote> How so? Look up the definition of child. A fetus is included in it. All fetuses are children; not all children are fetuses. All children are humans; not all humans are children. That type of logic is something you should have been taught a long time ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/20/18 1:14:52 AM #112:	Darmik posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? You don't kill the child at birth. And yes giving a child up for adoption is a much bigger responsibility than having an abortion. You can't just drop it a fire station and expect that part of your life to be done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909096715] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> You don't kill the child at birth. And yes giving a child up for adoption is a much bigger responsibility than having an abortion. You can't just drop it a fire station and expect that part of your life to be done.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 09/20/18 1:15:17 AM #113:	yeah i support it --- I support Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:909096729] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>yeah i support it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:15:50 AM #114:	hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? Abort them and you don't have to worry about them having consciousness or you developing an attachment to the child you pushed out of your vagina and who may be in for a shitty life if you give them up. So you literally are stating that abortions are solely for convenience. Hey guys imma kill this kid so that I dont get attached to it. Thats what you just presented. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909096750] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> Abort them and you don't have to worry about them having consciousness or you developing an attachment to the child you pushed out of your vagina and who may be in for a shitty life if you give them up.</quote> So you literally are stating that abortions are solely for convenience. Hey guys imma kill this kid so that I dont get attached to it. Thats what you just presented.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 09/20/18 1:18:08 AM #115:	Conflict posted... This topic is pointless anyway. Why do you guys consistently make this topic when you know not a damn mind is going to be changed? You'll still have people like DarkTransient and Howl saying some incredibly fuckin stupid shit like that it's equivalent to genocide or that anyone who goes through an abortion should receive retroactive punishments. This, really. The "moderate" thinks women should be retroactively punished for having an abortion. His opinion on this matter is completely worthless. --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:909096825] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is pointless anyway. Why do you guys consistently make this topic when you know not a damn mind is going to be changed? You'll still have people like DarkTransient and Howl saying some incredibly fuckin stupid shit like that it's equivalent to genocide or that anyone who goes through an abortion should receive retroactive punishments.</quote> This, really. The "moderate" thinks women should be retroactively punished for having an abortion. His opinion on this matter is completely worthless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CantKeepMeDown 09/20/18 1:18:09 AM #116:	Acceleration posted... Look up the definition of child a boy or girl from the time of birth until he or she is an adult, or a son or daughter of any age Acceleration posted... A fetus is included in it. Nope Seems like the failure in logic is yours, oh sagacious one. --- Can't Bring me doWn - AZ <cite>CantKeepMeDown posted [p:909096826] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>Look up the definition of child</quote> <quote>a boy or girl from the time of birth until he or she is an adult, or a son or daughter of any age</quote> <cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>A fetus is included in it.</quote> Nope Seems like the failure in logic is yours, oh sagacious one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:19:05 AM #117:	Acceleration posted... How so? Look up the definition of child. A fetus is included in it. All fetuses are children; not all children are fetuses. All children are humans; not all humans are children. That type of logic is something you should have been taught a long time ago. noun noun: child; plural noun: children a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority. "she'd been playing tennis since she was a child" "I've known Kate since she was a child" a son or daughter of any age. "when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant" an immature or irresponsible person. "she's such a child!" a person who has little or no experience in a particular area. "he's a child in financial matters" archaic the descendants of a family or people. "the children of Abraham" a person regarded as the product of (a specified influence or environment). "a child of the Sixties" fetus noun noun: fetus; plural noun: fetuses; noun: foetus; plural noun: foetuses an unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human more than eight weeks after conception. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909096867] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>How so? Look up the definition of child. A fetus is included in it. All fetuses are children; not all children are fetuses. All children are humans; not all humans are children. That type of logic is something you should have been taught a long time ago.</quote> <quote>noun noun: child; plural noun: children a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority. "she'd been playing tennis since she was a child" "I've known Kate since she was a child" a son or daughter of any age. "when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant" an immature or irresponsible person. "she's such a child!" a person who has little or no experience in a particular area. "he's a child in financial matters" archaic the descendants of a family or people. "the children of Abraham" a person regarded as the product of (a specified influence or environment). "a child of the Sixties"</quote> <quote>fetus noun noun: fetus; plural noun: fetuses; noun: foetus; plural noun: foetuses an unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human more than eight weeks after conception.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:20:37 AM #118:	Definition of Child (Entry 1 of 3) 1a : an unborn or recently born person I dont think so. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909096919] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>Definition of Child (Entry 1 of 3) 1a : an unborn or recently born person I dont think so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:25:45 AM #119:	Still doesn't say fetus champ. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909097098] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:29:27 AM #120:	Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909097227] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/20/18 1:31:12 AM #121:	Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. But are all children alive or conscious? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909097296] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> But are all children alive or conscious?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:32:32 AM #122:	Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. I didn't define anything outside of the stuff I grabbed from Google. There's a major difference between a woman who is one day pregnant, one month pregnant, three months pregnant and nine months pregnant. Do you consider all of these children? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909097339] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> I didn't define anything outside of the stuff I grabbed from Google. There's a major difference between a woman who is one day pregnant, one month pregnant, three months pregnant and nine months pregnant. Do you consider all of these children?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:34:13 AM #123:	hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. But are all children alive or conscious? Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909097395] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> But are all children alive or conscious?</quote> Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:35:09 AM #124:	Darmik posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. I didn't define anything outside of the stuff I grabbed from Google. There's a major difference between a woman who is one day pregnant, one month pregnant, three months pregnant and nine months pregnant. Do you consider all of these children? Yes. As they are, by any sort of biological categorization. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909097433] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> I didn't define anything outside of the stuff I grabbed from Google. There's a major difference between a woman who is one day pregnant, one month pregnant, three months pregnant and nine months pregnant. Do you consider all of these children?</quote> Yes. As they are, by any sort of biological categorization.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/20/18 1:35:18 AM #125:	Acceleration posted... hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child. Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it? Abort them and you don't have to worry about them having consciousness or you developing an attachment to the child you pushed out of your vagina and who may be in for a shitty life if you give them up. So you literally are stating that abortions are solely for convenience. Hey guys imma kill this kid so that I dont get attached to it. Thats what you just presented. Sounds fine to me. If you can't support a child and adoption is far from a good thing, abortion before the fetus even develops a brain is logical and I would even say ethical. What is the downside in preventing a poorly raised child from ever existing? Optimism? The belief in a soul? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909097440] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Giving a child up for adoption is a whole different responsibility. That's a much bigger decision with long term ramifications for both yourself and the child.</quote> Giving up the child to an orphanage is a bigger decision than killing it?</quote> Abort them and you don't have to worry about them having consciousness or you developing an attachment to the child you pushed out of your vagina and who may be in for a shitty life if you give them up.</quote> So you literally are stating that abortions are solely for convenience. Hey guys imma kill this kid so that I dont get attached to it. Thats what you just presented.</quote> Sounds fine to me. If you can't support a child and adoption is far from a good thing, abortion before the fetus even develops a brain is logical and I would even say ethical. What is the downside in preventing a poorly raised child from ever existing? Optimism? The belief in a soul?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 09/20/18 1:36:05 AM #126:	Cilolntro posted... Zikten posted... TC to address your question It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future Then I hope you never use a condom, because you are destroying the future. I'm a 37 year old virgin <cite>Zikten posted [p:909097467] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cilolntro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>TC to address your question It's really quite simple. Even if the brain isn't there yet, it will be. It's like a seed. It's growing. It will become life. So I see abortion as destroying the future</quote> Then I hope you never use a condom, because you are destroying the future.</quote> I'm a 37 year old virgin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:36:19 AM #127:	Acceleration posted... Yes. As they are, by any sort of biological categorization. So you think the morning after pill should be banned? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909097473] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>Yes. As they are, by any sort of biological categorization.</quote> So you think the morning after pill should be banned?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/20/18 1:37:38 AM #128:	Acceleration posted... hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. But are all children alive or conscious? Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless. Abortion isn't defined by humanity. A human sperm and egg are obviously human. An embryo and a fetus are obviously human. But are they conscious? Are they people? That's the debate that matters. Personhood might get philosophical, but consciousness is something we could nail down --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909097509] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> But are all children alive or conscious?</quote> Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless.</quote> Abortion isn't defined by humanity. A human sperm and egg are obviously human. An embryo and a fetus are obviously human. But are they conscious? Are they people? That's the debate that matters. Personhood might get philosophical, but consciousness is something we could nail down</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 09/20/18 1:42:21 AM #129:	I'm a man. A fetus is a cancerous tumor growing inside a woman. It's not my place to tell a woman what she can and can't do with what's growing inside her own body. --- COOK WITH A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL JUST TO DRINK OUT THE DRIP TRAY <cite>DavidWong posted [p:909097664] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>I'm a man. A fetus is a cancerous tumor growing inside a woman. It's not my place to tell a woman what she can and can't do with what's growing inside her own body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:45:13 AM #130:	hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. But are all children alive or conscious? Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless. Abortion isn't defined by humanity. A human sperm and egg are obviously human. An embryo and a fetus are obviously human. But are they conscious? Are they people? That's the debate that matters. Personhood might get philosophical, but consciousness is something we could nail down This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909097769] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> But are all children alive or conscious?</quote> Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless.</quote> Abortion isn't defined by humanity. A human sperm and egg are obviously human. An embryo and a fetus are obviously human. But are they conscious? Are they people? That's the debate that matters. Personhood might get philosophical, but consciousness is something we could nail down</quote> This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:48:10 AM #131:	Acceleration posted... This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed. There's nothing new about this. People have been forcing miscarriages since the beginning of time. There's a major difference between having a bunch of red clumps fall out of your body and dumping a baby and hope everything turns out ok. Trying to compare a developing fetus to a minority is a ridiculous comparison. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909097869] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed.</quote> There's nothing new about this. People have been forcing miscarriages since the beginning of time. There's a major difference between having a bunch of red clumps fall out of your body and dumping a baby and hope everything turns out ok. Trying to compare a developing fetus to a minority is a ridiculous comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Acceleration 09/20/18 1:51:49 AM #132:	Darmik posted... Acceleration posted... This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed. There's nothing new about this. People have been forcing miscarriages since the beginning of time. There's a major difference between having a bunch of red clumps fall out of your body and dumping a baby and hope everything turns out ok. Trying to compare a developing fetus to a minority is a ridiculous comparison. How so? The same thing happened to both groups. An 1850s southerner wouldnt admit that slaves were people. They relied on the technicalities of the law. Exactly the same process people use for abortion today. Look at the paragraph you wrote. The bunch of red clumps is a human child that was killed, no different than leaving a child to die. But yet, you talk as if they arent even remotely comparable. Just like keeping a black person in slavery was normal, while enslaving a white person was abhorrent. <cite>Acceleration posted [p:909098016] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed.</quote> There's nothing new about this. People have been forcing miscarriages since the beginning of time. There's a major difference between having a bunch of red clumps fall out of your body and dumping a baby and hope everything turns out ok. Trying to compare a developing fetus to a minority is a ridiculous comparison.</quote> How so? The same thing happened to both groups. An 1850s southerner wouldnt admit that slaves were people. They relied on the technicalities of the law. Exactly the same process people use for abortion today. Look at the paragraph you wrote. The bunch of red clumps is a human child that was killed, no different than leaving a child to die. But yet, you talk as if they arent even remotely comparable. Just like keeping a black person in slavery was normal, while enslaving a white person was abhorrent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/20/18 1:54:19 AM #133:	A slave was a completely formed individual with their own thoughts and feelings. They don't instantly die if their host removes them. A developing fetus isn't the same thing. Acceleration posted... The bunch of red clumps is a human child that was killed, no different than leaving a child to die Of course it is. That baby has developed to the point of being able to cry for help, to feel hunger, to feel pain etc. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909098103] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>A slave was a completely formed individual with their own thoughts and feelings. They don't instantly die if their host removes them. A developing fetus isn't the same thing. <cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote>The bunch of red clumps is a human child that was killed, no different than leaving a child to die</quote> Of course it is. That baby has developed to the point of being able to cry for help, to feel hunger, to feel pain etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CantKeepMeDown 09/20/18 1:55:19 AM #134:	HeyJohnHothlin is unironically comparing abortion to slavery --- Can't Bring me doWn - AZ <cite>CantKeepMeDown posted [p:909098140] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>HeyJohnHothlin is unironically comparing abortion to slavery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/20/18 1:56:12 AM #135:	CantKeepMeDown posted... HeyJohnHothlin is unironically comparing abortion to slavery What is with people comparing abortion to slavery? --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:909098176] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>CantKeepMeDown posted...</cite> <quote>HeyJohnHothlin is unironically comparing abortion to slavery</quote> What is with people comparing abortion to slavery?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PhazonReborn 09/20/18 1:56:45 AM #136:	Tmaster148 posted... Some posters here give enough reason to support abortion as is. Savage --- The Phazon you know and trust since 2004 <cite>PhazonReborn posted [p:909098197] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Some posters here give enough reason to support abortion as is.</quote> Savage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/20/18 1:56:53 AM #137:	Acceleration posted... hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... hockeybub89 posted... Acceleration posted... Darmik posted... Still doesn't say fetus champ. You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally. But are all children alive or conscious? Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless. Abortion isn't defined by humanity. A human sperm and egg are obviously human. An embryo and a fetus are obviously human. But are they conscious? Are they people? That's the debate that matters. Personhood might get philosophical, but consciousness is something we could nail down This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed. Should we not pull the plug on people in vegetative states either? They're human and brain function is irrelevant, no? No one has the right to kill anything human. Don't masturbate or do anything that would kill any human material. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909098207] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Still doesn't say fetus champ.</quote> You defined fetus as an unborn human. Child is partially defined as an unborn human. Therefore fetuses are children. Its really not hard to grasp. Try to look at things logically, and not emotionally.</quote> But are all children alive or conscious?</quote> Once again, consciousness does not determine if a fetus is human biologically. You can argue spiritually and say that humanity has some sort of greater meaning than other animals due to our intelligence (consciousness), but a fetus is a human child nonetheless.</quote> Abortion isn't defined by humanity. A human sperm and egg are obviously human. An embryo and a fetus are obviously human. But are they conscious? Are they people? That's the debate that matters. Personhood might get philosophical, but consciousness is something we could nail down</quote> This disenfranchisement of unborn children has been successful. I said this earlier but no one responded. Using immunizing strategies like saying fetuses arent people are the same things that have been used to oppress every group in the past. Fetuses are people, they do have consciousness. But once again, consciousness is irrelevant. It is human, and therefore should not be killed.</quote> Should we not pull the plug on people in vegetative states either? They're human and brain function is irrelevant, no? No one has the right to kill anything human. Don't masturbate or do anything that would kill any human material.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/20/18 2:13:33 AM #138:	We can have a debate over whether or not human fetuses are people or what degree of personhood they should hold. But ultimately, bodily autonomy remains the primary reason why abortion is permissible. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:909098841] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>We can have a debate over whether or not human fetuses are people or what degree of personhood they should hold. But ultimately, bodily autonomy remains the primary reason why abortion is permissible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deedice 09/20/18 11:01:50 AM #139:	SailorGoon posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Acceleration posted... CantKeepMeDown posted... catboy0_0 posted... Tmaster148 posted... Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery. shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption. Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy. If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed? Nice analogy. Perhaps if you were told beforehand "hey if you throw a party then this guy is going to crash in your bathtub if you party irresponsibly. Despite knowing that are you willing to take that risk and let him in?" and if you say yes, let him in, and party irresponsibly knowing full well the risk you're taking then you mightve been onto something. --- Drake the type of dude to gather the Dragon Balls to wish that his ex finds a good man. - KMNL <cite>Deedice posted [p:909114414] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>SailorGoon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CantKeepMeDown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.</quote> shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality</quote> And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid</quote> Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.</quote> Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy. If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?</quote> Nice analogy. Perhaps if you were told beforehand "hey if you throw a party then this guy is going to crash in your bathtub if you party irresponsibly. Despite knowing that are you willing to take that risk and let him in?" and if you say yes, let him in, and party irresponsibly knowing full well the risk you're taking then you mightve been onto something.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cilolntro 09/20/18 11:02:03 AM #140:	Bump <cite>Cilolntro posted [p:909114427] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>Bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthWendy 09/20/18 11:11:46 AM #141:	#whytrumpwon --- Ave Caesar, Rosae Rosam et Spiritus Rex ! - Voila, ca ne veut absolument rien dire mais l'effet reste le meme https://i.imgtc.com/eRE0ORV.jpg <cite>DarthWendy posted [p:909114915] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>#whytrumpwon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/20/18 12:13:04 PM #142:	Deedice posted... SailorGoon posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Acceleration posted... CantKeepMeDown posted... catboy0_0 posted... Tmaster148 posted... Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery. shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption. Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy. If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed? Nice analogy. Perhaps if you were told beforehand "hey if you throw a party then this guy is going to crash in your bathtub if you party irresponsibly. Despite knowing that are you willing to take that risk and let him in?" and if you say yes, let him in, and party irresponsibly knowing full well the risk you're taking then you mightve been onto something. ...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:909118370] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SailorGoon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Acceleration posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CantKeepMeDown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine equating terminating an unwanted pregnancy to slavery.</quote> shouldn't it be the other way around? having a kid is enslaving them to this world and reality</quote> And enslaving the mother into having the unwanted kid</quote> Enslaving? She chose to have sex. She doesnt have the right to take someones life because she was reckless. She can put the kid up for adoption.</quote> Let's say I were to have a party at my house, and things got a little crazy. If I wake up the next afternoon and find a naked guy in my bathtub, am I obligated to let him stay, or should I be allowed to have him removed?</quote> Nice analogy. Perhaps if you were told beforehand "hey if you throw a party then this guy is going to crash in your bathtub if you party irresponsibly. Despite knowing that are you willing to take that risk and let him in?" and if you say yes, let him in, and party irresponsibly knowing full well the risk you're taking then you mightve been onto something.</quote></quote> ...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3 09/20/18 12:24:53 PM #143:	It is known as pro choice yet they bash people who choose to be pro life. --- Fallout 4 <cite>SuperMedz3 posted [p:909119053] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>It is known as pro choice yet they bash people who choose to be pro life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/20/18 12:26:06 PM #144:	SuperMedz3 posted... It is known as pro choice yet they bash people who choose to be pro life. Maybe don't make choices that hurt other people. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:909119131] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMedz3 posted...</cite> <quote>It is known as pro choice yet they bash people who choose to be pro life.</quote> Maybe don't make choices that hurt other people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/20/18 12:26:36 PM #145:	Dragonblade01 posted... ...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning. But... I wrapped the whole tub in plastic beforehand! <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909119157] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning.</quote> But... I wrapped the whole tub in plastic beforehand!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/20/18 12:31:26 PM #146:	In regards to the bathtub analogy, it needs work. The addition of knowing that throwing a party may result in a guy being your tub is a decent one, but we're overlooking something. What if, hypothetically speaking of course, kicking him out of your tub would absolutely result in their death, but letting them stay in the tub for 9 months will allow them to live? Now we're getting closer to an analogy that works. Of course, the obvious counter argument is that the whole thing doesn't work because the guy in a tub is a person, and the fetus is not a person at the time at which it is aborted. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:909119487] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>In regards to the bathtub analogy, it needs work. The addition of knowing that throwing a party may result in a guy being your tub is a decent one, but we're overlooking something. What if, hypothetically speaking of course, kicking him out of your tub would absolutely result in their death, but letting them stay in the tub for 9 months will allow them to live? Now we're getting closer to an analogy that works. Of course, the obvious counter argument is that the whole thing doesn't work because the guy in a tub is a person, and the fetus is not a person at the time at which it is aborted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3 09/20/18 12:31:49 PM #147:	Dragonblade01 posted... ...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning. As long as she does not kill the guy --- Fallout 4 <cite>SuperMedz3 posted [p:909119499] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning.</quote> As long as she does not kill the guy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 09/20/18 12:32:52 PM #148:	I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:909119557] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote>I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 09/20/18 12:37:03 PM #149:	LightHawKnight posted... I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child? I think the closest you get to that would be some radicals who would believe that they are sqaundring their reproductive ability and they should have gotten pregnant with that instead. Much like how some radicals would believe that beating ones meat is a waste of your potential as it should have been used to impregnate. I want to say it's rare, but it's definitely a feature of some of the archaic sects of certain religions. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:909119783] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child?</quote> I think the closest you get to that would be some radicals who would believe that they are sqaundring their reproductive ability and they should have gotten pregnant with that instead. Much like how some radicals would believe that beating ones meat is a waste of your potential as it should have been used to impregnate. I want to say it's rare, but it's definitely a feature of some of the archaic sects of certain religions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3 09/20/18 12:38:27 PM #150:	LightHawKnight posted... I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child? An unfertilized egg? Why would anyone think that? --- Fallout 4 <cite>SuperMedz3 posted [p:909119864] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child?</quote> An unfertilized egg? Why would anyone think that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 09/20/18 12:46:21 PM #151:	SuperMedz3 posted... LightHawKnight posted... I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child? An unfertilized egg? Why would anyone think that? It still is a life in potentia. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:909120352] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMedz3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder, do people think everytime a woman has her period, that is killing a child?</quote> An unfertilized egg? Why would anyone think that?</quote> It still is a life in potentia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/20/18 12:50:32 PM #152:	SuperMedz3 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... ...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning. As long as she does not kill the guy What if the act of removing him from the house kills him? Does he suddenly gain the right to stay in that house? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:909120578] in I don't un... [t:77021299]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMedz3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>...Pretty sure you're still allowed to kick the guy out of your bathtub the next morning.</quote> As long as she does not kill the guy</quote> What if the act of removing him from the house kills him? Does he suddenly gain the right to stay in that house?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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