Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 201: A Caravan Down By the River

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Red states should do auto-registration too

Yes.

And specifically, we should look at the national popular vote, as it encourages all states to do auto-registration so that they contribute more to the national popular vote.

It's literally a good statistic to look at, because it encourages people to implement good policies.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Absolutely disgusting:

https://twitter.com/NickMiroff/status/1055655549293998082

Thats...ridiculously inhumane

The more you make people fear the scary brown people the more white people will turn out to vote.

Its brilliant. Completely and totally racist, but brilliant.

And how many refugees have you all taken in? Zero? I assume you also lock your doors at night, right?

Every country on this planet is allowed to enforce border laws. That is all. The USA simply not letting them in is FAR better than what a lot of other countries would do. Look up what happens if you try entering China illegally some time.
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If someone knocks on my door at a reasonable hour i answer the door and see what they want.

I dont grab a gun and tell them to get the fuck out.

Requesting asylum at the border is completely legal
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Requesting asylum at the border is completely legal

Its also perfectly legal to not let them in.

Leafeon13N posted...

If someone knocks on my door at a reasonable hour i answer the door and see what they want.

I dont grab a gun and tell them to get the fuck out.

What if its a violent criminal thats been deported 5+ times?
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https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1055605983622373377?s=21

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

If this holds, the trend would mean a big fat red wave, and these are numbers from msnbc of all places. That is unreal.

The media has lied to people so much that 99% of conservatives are openly censored and the public STILL doesnt care. They would vote for a ham sandwich before voting for a democrat.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Its also perfectly legal to not let them in.

The US is obligated under law to give them a hearing.
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I honestly have zero idea what to think anymore because polls have been all over the place. And, I highly distrust Silver's model because it moves almost every single poll further D when it is balanced, which seems weird.

Been following RCP's aggregate mostly. But, so many wild swinging polls all over the place. In Arizona, Florida, Indiana, etc.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

UItimaterializer posted...

Its also perfectly legal to not let them in.

The US is obligated under law to give them a hearing.

How many refugees live in your house?
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Refugees aren't placed in peoples' houses

Get that strawman bullshit out of here.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Refugees aren't placed in peoples' houses

Get that strawman bullshit out of here.

Literally as bullshit as the neighbor analogy.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Refugees aren't placed in peoples' houses

Get that strawman bullshit out of here.

So the answer is zero, which 100% proves my point. Got it. Typical leftist hypocrite. I want open borders and an unlimited horde of refugees pouring in, but actually helping them is totally someone elses job and the taxpayers should foot the bill.

I typed I want to house a refugee in Google and got tons of links. Even the NYTimes, that paper of record you claim never ever lies, has reported on how to do it. If you actually wanted to help refugees out you would already have some living with you, so dont tell me your own door is locked but Americas should be wide open, champ.

Oh, and that migrant caravan is MASSIVELY unpopular. Democrats, as usual, are completely out of touch with what the public actually wants. You can thank San Francisco courts letting a literal illegal alien murderer walk free for the public having zero sympathy for migrants or illegals entering this country. Every time you people try it, you lose a ridiculous number of points in the polls. There are very obvious reasons for that, but please continue trying it because democrats losing elections by shooting themselves in the foot is always hilarious to watch.
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actually helping them is totally someone elses job and the taxpayers should foot the bill.

but we are part of the taxpayers so the someone else is still us

I don't know why you think they literally need to be in my house? I mean, I do know why (because ur dum), but it's a silly premise.
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If you want me to answer a question that's actually relevant, yes I would be totally fine with refugees moving into my community.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

If you want me to answer a question that's actually relevant, yes I would be totally fine with refugees moving into my community.

Not your community. Your actual home. And if you ever lock your home up for any reason while claiming our borders should be open, you are a hypocrite. You should have as many migrants flooding into YOUR HOME as space allows. After all thats exactly what youre saying America should be doing, so lead by example.
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A country is not the same thing as a person you fucking idiot
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

actually helping them is totally someone elses job and the taxpayers should foot the bill.

but we are part of the taxpayers so the someone else is still us

I don't know why you think they literally need to be in my house? I mean, I do know why (because ur dum), but it's a silly premise.

Nope. You should 100% have open doors to your house and migrants should come in until your house is full.

Oh and you need to foot the bill for everything. Their food, their children, their education, everything. Cant afford it? I dont care. Go into debt and do it anyway. Get a second and third job if you have to.

(This is literally exactly what youre saying America should be doing. See how utterly ridiculous it sounds?)
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I wouldn't allow ulti into my home

#DeportUlti
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LordoftheMorons posted...

A country is not the same thing as a person you fucking idiot

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Try again. This is not a valid argument.

Open your home until migrants flood it to capacity, and YOU are responsible for paying all their needs. If you have to go into debt or work 80 hours a week to do it, I care not. Its your problem.

When you can figure out how to make it work for yourself, then you can lecture me about America having open borders and letting every single migrant in.

http://www.paih.org/host-a-refugee/

Start here. There are other programs as well. Im sure you could house the migrants in the caravan if you REALLY wanted to. But we all know you dont.

Lead by example and show the rest of the country how its done, mister internet name-calling tough guy
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I swear to god guys these are the most clear, artificial strawmen

Are you going to correct him now? Discuss the nuances of your point? Tell him you don't want actual wide open borders? And then act all shocked when he fucking ignores you and continues on his unrelated, escalatory rants?

The mind genuinely boggles that you think you're getting fucking anything out of this.

And yes I know I've made the same post a dozen fucking times but then stop doing this stupid, stupid shit every time.

Actually, is that what you guys want? You'd rather engage a cartoon of a human being, Ulti, than try to push him to one side and allow actual legitimate Republicans to fill the void he leaves? Have I found the solution here? That you engage Ulti because you'd rather it be that cut and dried? Of course he's (INTENTIONALLY) wrong, so it's easy to combat him - is the problem, then, that you want to engage him because the alternative is to be actually challenged by somebody genuine and earnest and who represents the American right honestly?
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UItimaterializer posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

actually helping them is totally someone elses job and the taxpayers should foot the bill.

but we are part of the taxpayers so the someone else is still us

I don't know why you think they literally need to be in my house? I mean, I do know why (because ur dum), but it's a silly premise.

Nope. You should 100% have open doors to your house and migrants should come in until your house is full.

Oh and you need to foot the bill for everything. Their food, their children, their education, everything. Cant afford it? I dont care. Go into debt and do it anyway. Get a second and third job if you have to.

(This is literally exactly what youre saying America should be doing. See how utterly ridiculous it sounds?)

I don't think I ever said America should get a third job. Is America a house or a person in this scenario?

also I'm part of America. You keep talking like me and LotM exist separate from it. The decision to let people in is as much mine as it is yours and it's consequences affect me the same. That's not hypocrisy.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

I wouldn't allow ulti into my home

#DeportUlti

See I appreciate honesty like this far more than LotMs laughable double standards.

Those double standards from leftists paired with media dishonesty is why republicans are winning. Look in a mirror, leftists. Its your own fault. You took the party of JFK and Barack Obama (a damn good man and someone really worth looking up to) and turned it into the party of unrecognizable far left nonsense in only THREE YEARS. Three years to ruin decades of good work. Congrats.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I swear to god guys these are the most clear, artificial strawmen

Are you going to correct him now? Discuss the nuances of your point? Tell him you don't want actual wide open borders? And then act all shocked when he fucking ignores you and continues on his unrelated, escalatory rants?

The mind genuinely boggles that you think you're getting fucking anything out of this.

And yes I know I've made the same post a dozen fucking times but then stop doing this stupid, stupid shit every time.

Actually, is that what you guys want? You'd rather engage a cartoon of a human being, Ulti, than try to push him to one side and allow actual legitimate Republicans to fill the void he leaves? Have I found the solution here? That you engage Ulti because you'd rather it be that cut and dried? Of course he's (INTENTIONALLY) wrong, so it's easy to combat him - is the problem, then, that you want to engage him because the alternative is to be actually challenged by somebody genuine and earnest and who represents the American right honestly?

http://www.paih.org/host-a-refugee/

Lead by example, pal.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

UItimaterializer posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

actually helping them is totally someone elses job and the taxpayers should foot the bill.

but we are part of the taxpayers so the someone else is still us

I don't know why you think they literally need to be in my house? I mean, I do know why (because ur dum), but it's a silly premise.

Nope. You should 100% have open doors to your house and migrants should come in until your house is full.

Oh and you need to foot the bill for everything. Their food, their children, their education, everything. Cant afford it? I dont care. Go into debt and do it anyway. Get a second and third job if you have to.

(This is literally exactly what youre saying America should be doing. See how utterly ridiculous it sounds?)

I don't think I ever said America should get a third job. Is America a house or a person in this scenario?

also I'm part of America. You keep talking like me and LotM exist separate from it. The decision to let people in is as much mine as it is yours and it's consequences affect me the same. That's not hypocrisy.

I appreciate the very fair point!

These are the cases where we agree to disagree and let democracy take over. We have a vote. In that case, my guy is president and agrees with what I want. Tough luck I guess? You could still do the states rights thing as Im sure California will do, or just house some migrants personally if you feel that strongly about it. Im not kidding here. If you care that much, its apparently pretty easy to house them. Go nuts, bro.
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Lets spin the chessboard here.

Lets say 100,000 Russians were amassing at the border (Im aware the caravan is less people, bear with me). They want amnesty ASAP so they can be legal citizens and vote for everything Donald Trump wants. You guys still want them in America in that case or no?
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Since I'm stuck reading Ulti posts while my main account is warned, it's pretty hilarious he's citing early voting as proof the Republicans will win/hold the House.

A) early ballots never reflect final numbers.
B) they're at the mercy of which districts have submitted early results.

Something literally cited in the article which states that Democrat strongholds have not reported in.

Of course he likely didn't read the article, he just saw a graph and rushed here to post it.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I swear to god guys these are the most clear, artificial strawmen

Are you going to correct him now? Discuss the nuances of your point? Tell him you don't want actual wide open borders? And then act all shocked when he fucking ignores you and continues on his unrelated, escalatory rants?

The mind genuinely boggles that you think you're getting fucking anything out of this.

And yes I know I've made the same post a dozen fucking times but then stop doing this stupid, stupid shit every time.

Actually, is that what you guys want? You'd rather engage a cartoon of a human being, Ulti, than try to push him to one side and allow actual legitimate Republicans to fill the void he leaves? Have I found the solution here? That you engage Ulti because you'd rather it be that cut and dried? Of course he's (INTENTIONALLY) wrong, so it's easy to combat him - is the problem, then, that you want to engage him because the alternative is to be actually challenged by somebody genuine and earnest and who represents the American right honestly?

These people have no self control even when it comes to "literal reason Jakyl usually made the topic" Ulti.

Theyre a hopeless bunch.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I swear to god guys these are the most clear, artificial strawmen

Are you going to correct him now? Discuss the nuances of your point? Tell him you don't want actual wide open borders? And then act all shocked when he fucking ignores you and continues on his unrelated, escalatory rants?

The mind genuinely boggles that you think you're getting fucking anything out of this.

And yes I know I've made the same post a dozen fucking times but then stop doing this stupid, stupid shit every time.

Actually, is that what you guys want? You'd rather engage a cartoon of a human being, Ulti, than try to push him to one side and allow actual legitimate Republicans to fill the void he leaves? Have I found the solution here? That you engage Ulti because you'd rather it be that cut and dried? Of course he's (INTENTIONALLY) wrong, so it's easy to combat him - is the problem, then, that you want to engage him because the alternative is to be actually challenged by somebody genuine and earnest and who represents the American right honestly?

Unfortunately, I don't think there are legitimate Republicans online anymore. The party has become so embedded in racism and identity politics and anti-American rhetoric to boost Trump's profile that the only people who can still defend them are, conveniently, people who were forum trolls LONG before the 2015 election campaign kicked off. It would be nice if we could have reasonable, two-sided debate again, but conservative Democrats (Hillary supporters) and liberal Democrats (Bernie supporters) are still MOSTLY united behind a common enemy.
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what i don't get is that the people who use the "if tons of immigrants would enter the US they would just leech off the welfare state!!" rhetoric are usually the SAME people who go "TRUMP IS THE GOAT PRESIDENT." isn't trump the no-nonsense, low taxes, "everyone should get a job" president? why the fuck would he hand out welfare money to people who don't deserve it - the people who can work but simply don't want to? if immigrants come to the US just to leech off the welfare state, you can bet your ass the majority of them will get a job when they don't receive money from the government and they're unable to feed themselves and their children.

the anti-immigration people have to be consistent. either the "the immigrants are just going to sit on their asses while the taxpayer pays for them!" argument is wrong or it is right. and if it's right trump isn't the "GOAT president" - he's a shit president who is doing nothing to fix the problems of the welfare state. you can't have it both ways.
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responding to the "debating trolls" stuff: lol @ the idea that "legitimate republicans" would "fill the void" if ulti leaves. if they had any interest in posting here, they would have done so by now. you get that there was a long time when ulti wasn't posting in these topics and there weren't any legitimate republicans posting here either, right?
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Yeah because the topic spent that time engaging MWC, Corrik and SephG instead.

Legitimate republicans/conservatives do exist. That's not to say they would constantly defend Trump, but they are shades of grey between "non-stop condemnation of Trump" and "Ulti".

And if I'm wrong and they didn't then so what? Hanging on that one facet of my post is a great way to dodge the issue. At least if you cut them out you'd be discussing stuff with actual people, rather than manufactured, false points that you can easily destroy to make yourselves feel better. It's B8, you will find ways to disagree with each other once they're gone even if you all lean liberal/democrat.

If all you guys want out of these topics are easily-destroyed lures, batting practice, then you do you. But at least be honest and admit that.
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Ok Ulti I trust then that I won't ever see you complaining about people crossing our borders again until after you've personally gone down to Texas and forced some of them back yourself.
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pyresword posted...

Ok Ulti I trust then that I won't ever see you complaining about people crossing our borders again until after you've personally gone down to Texas and forced some of them back yourself.

Or for those against Abortion, I guess if they haven't adopted as many kids as possible they aren't REALLY against abortion.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah because the topic spent that time engaging MWC, Corrik and SephG instead.

Legitimate republicans/conservatives do exist. That's not to say they would constantly defend Trump, but they are shades of grey between "non-stop condemnation of Trump" and "Ulti".

And if I'm wrong and they didn't then so what? Hanging on that one facet of my post is a great way to dodge the issue. At least if you cut them out you'd be discussing stuff with actual people, rather than manufactured, false points that you can easily destroy to make yourselves feel better. It's B8, you will find ways to disagree with each other once they're gone even if you all lean liberal/democrat.

If all you guys want out of these topics are easily-destroyed lures, batting practice, then you do you. But at least be honest and admit that.

hey, i don't disagree. it blows my mind that sephy can literally accuse everyone in these topics of being autistic and the next topic everyone is arguing with him again as if he's a "reasonable conservative" you can have a legitimate debate with. remember when i offered to stop arguing with red sox if everyone would stop arguing with sephy and i got an INCREDIBLE amount of vitriol? tony: "this is one of the worst posts in the history of this topic series." reg: "fuck you" and "you're full of shit, whether you know it or not." this is how badly people want to argue with sephy. it's utterly insane.

but uh, i digress. point is, i just don't think the "legitimate conservatives" care at all about posting in these topics, regardless of the number of conservatrolls who post here. shame, but what can you do.
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I still stand by my "Seph shouldn't be allowed back on the site" stance. Not for his politics, but because of all the vitriol he spews out. But "Oh he's just trolling, so it's okay if he constantly wishes death on people" I guess? (Or is that MWC? I swear certain people just blend in my mind these days....)

As for Ulti. I remember 2016-2017 he was full unrepentant trolling(very slightly different from what he appears to be today), I tried desperately to get him to calm down because people were really starting to hate him, and I wanted people to try to get along. I remember talking to him, I remember trying to get him to calm down, I remember trying to be a friend. But most of all....

I remember my efforts being utterly ignored. So yeah, I understand why people were annoyed at me for engaging with him back then.
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Anyway...

metroid composite posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Red states should do auto-registration too

Yes.

And specifically, we should look at the national popular vote, as it encourages all states to do auto-registration so that they contribute more to the national popular vote.

It's literally a good statistic to look at, because it encourages people to implement good policies.

Honestly I don't get why Americans aren't auto registered once they turn 18. It would save so much trouble.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Honestly I don't get why Americans aren't auto registered once they turn 18. It would save so much trouble.

Republicans literally do not want people voting. Just look at Georgia...

Dark Young Link posted...

Honestly I don't get why Americans aren't auto registered once they turn 18. It would save so much trouble.

Basically the same reason kings weren't known for just handing out nice swords to all the peasants.
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One man has been arrested in connection with the bombing. It looks like he was driving a mobile Trump shrine.

https://m.imgur.com/a/fSaxqFg

Hard to see in the picture, but there are multiple images of trumps face on the van. Hopefully this will at least shut up the false flag Hillary sent them to herself people.

(It wont)
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Suspect is apparently 56 year old Cesar Mayoc Jr. He has a criminal record, which is why they were able to find him so quickly via DNA evidence he left behind.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/oct/26/pipe-bombs-latest-live-news-updates-arrest-florida
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his van decals tho lmfao

truly living up to the name #MAGABomber
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XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah because the topic spent that time engaging MWC, Corrik and SephG instead.

Legitimate republicans/conservatives do exist.

Actually they don't. Every single person who is conservative is a troll to you guys because you can't handle opinions other than your own.
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Inviso posted...

Unfortunately, I don't think there are legitimate Republicans online anymore.

And there it is. Like I said.
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Way to crop my post out of context.
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https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cesar-sayoc-politics-republican-trump-magabomber/
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Espeon posted...

Way to crop my post out of context.

The rest of your post literally just goes on to call Republicans racists and shit and how no one online can be Republican anymore because only trolls are left as Republicans. lol.

What context are you talking about?

Supporters of Democrats condemned Avenattis comments despite his insistence that the quote was made up in a number of comments on social media.

Let me be unmistakably clear on something. F--- Michael Avenatti, tweeted progressive activist Shaun King, who compared him to Bob Odenkirk's slimy lawyer in the TV show Breaking Bad. This man is a clown. Hes Better Call Saul. And now we are learning hes also a sexist bigot.

Michael Avenatti is the personification of 'progressives' who still traffic in white supremacy and the patriarchy, wrote Symone Sanders, former spokesperson for Bernie Sanders 2016 presidential campaign.

I mean you even eat your own. Now avenatti is a white supremacist basically and a sexist bigot. Yinz were just singing his praises for how long.
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Go UNC
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Fuck dook
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