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FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 11:09:45 AM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/cuba-president-miguel-diaz-canel-modernise-economy Communist party insiders say Daz-Canel is aware of the economic benefits that wider internet access could bring the islands economy, but fears the islands political system could be overwhelmed. Meanwhile, the Cuban people themselves actually want capitalism. 65 percent of interviewees said they want to privatize more businesses and decentralize the economy. 68 percent see competition as a positive way to promote ideas and as a motivator to work hard. Many Cubans have an entrepreneurial mindset with 56 percent of the people planning to start a business in the next 5 years. To compare, 57 percent of Americans plan to become entrepreneurs. The Cuban people are ready and willing to improve their lives, but the government prevents them from doing so. Further, only 13 percent of the population thinks the Cuban economy is doing well. GDP shrunk by almost one percent last year. Venezuela, one of Cubas main benefactors, had to reduce its oil deliveries by 60 percent due to their own economic crisis, which has had a heavy impact on Cubas GDP. The centralized economy constantly allocates resources poorly, leading to economically devastating consequences. Taxi drivers, for example, make more money than doctors due to government regulations. Well-educated professionals therefore either leave the country or take positions far below their skill level. Scientists sell ice cream, professors become illegal book vendors, and teachers wait tables. In addition, centralization fuels corruption. If a doctor cannot charge a reasonable price for his services due to overregulation, he becomes either a taxi driver or starts accepting little regalitos to perform his services. It follows that 38 percent of the Cubans see corruption as a serious problem in their society. Even Cuban cigarsonce a synonym for tobacco excellencehave degraded in quality due to lack of competition and government mismanagement. In Cigar Aficionados 2016 cigar ranking, only three Cuban brands were in the top 25. Nicaragua had 16. Since 2010, Cuba has shown attempts to decentralize the economy and expand private sector initiatives, especially in the tourism sector. Its new policies have shown some success, and last year a record high of more than 4 million tourists came to the island for holidays. Eight in ten Cubans believe that tourism should be expanded, hoping it will create jobs and boost the economy. 1 percent of Cubans report that crime is a serious problem. In addition, government interference with private life is felt severely. 41 percent complained about the lack of internet access, 76 percent of the people think that they must be careful about what they say and that they cannot express themselves freely. Understandable. Just this week, pro-democracy leader, Eduardo Cardet was sentenced to three years in jail for criticizing the government in a radio interview. It is no surprise then, that more than half of the population wants to leave Cuba, given the chance. Seven in ten of those people would like to come to the United States. 60 years after the communist revolution it is obvious that Cubans do not abhor, but desire, a more capitalist and free society. https://fee.org/articles/cubans-want-capitalism/ --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911450016] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/cuba-president-miguel-diaz-canel-modernise-economy Communist party insiders say Daz-Canel is aware of the economic benefits that wider internet access could bring the islands economy, but fears the islands political system could be overwhelmed. Meanwhile, the Cuban people themselves actually want capitalism. 65 percent of interviewees said they want to privatize more businesses and decentralize the economy. 68 percent see competition as a positive way to promote ideas and as a motivator to work hard. Many Cubans have an entrepreneurial mindset with 56 percent of the people planning to start a business in the next 5 years. To compare, 57 percent of Americans plan to become entrepreneurs. The Cuban people are ready and willing to improve their lives, but the government prevents them from doing so. Further, only 13 percent of the population thinks the Cuban economy is doing well. GDP shrunk by almost one percent last year. Venezuela, one of Cubas main benefactors, had to reduce its oil deliveries by 60 percent due to their own economic crisis, which has had a heavy impact on Cubas GDP. The centralized economy constantly allocates resources poorly, leading to economically devastating consequences. Taxi drivers, for example, make more money than doctors due to government regulations. Well-educated professionals therefore either leave the country or take positions far below their skill level. Scientists sell ice cream, professors become illegal book vendors, and teachers wait tables. In addition, centralization fuels corruption. If a doctor cannot charge a reasonable price for his services due to overregulation, he becomes either a taxi driver or starts accepting little regalitos to perform his services. It follows that 38 percent of the Cubans see corruption as a serious problem in their society. Even Cuban cigarsonce a synonym for tobacco excellencehave degraded in quality due to lack of competition and government mismanagement. In Cigar Aficionados 2016 cigar ranking, only three Cuban brands were in the top 25. Nicaragua had 16. Since 2010, Cuba has shown attempts to decentralize the economy and expand private sector initiatives, especially in the tourism sector. Its new policies have shown some success, and last year a record high of more than 4 million tourists came to the island for holidays. Eight in ten Cubans believe that tourism should be expanded, hoping it will create jobs and boost the economy. 1 percent of Cubans report that crime is a serious problem. In addition, government interference with private life is felt severely. 41 percent complained about the lack of internet access, 76 percent of the people think that they must be careful about what they say and that they cannot express themselves freely. Understandable. Just this week, pro-democracy leader, Eduardo Cardet was sentenced to three years in jail for criticizing the government in a radio interview. It is no surprise then, that more than half of the population wants to leave Cuba, given the chance. Seven in ten of those people would like to come to the United States. 60 years after the communist revolution it is obvious that Cubans do not abhor, but desire, a more capitalist and free society. https://fee.org/articles/cubans-want-capitalism/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unimpressed 10/30/18 11:12:08 AM #2:	Socialism has gone from being a (flawed) system of government to some kind of boogeyman with how much you complain about it. --- By Whining <cite>Unimpressed posted [p:911450161] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>Socialism has gone from being a (flawed) system of government to some kind of boogeyman with how much you complain about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/30/18 11:25:24 AM #3:	TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:911450988] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 10/30/18 11:27:30 AM #4:	King_Hellebuyck posted... TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters? Only if they vote the right way. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:911451120] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters?</quote> Only if they vote the right way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DadofStrawman 10/30/18 11:28:08 AM #5:	OP please stay away from my family. You are a bad influence. --- Please quit attacking my son. <cite>DadofStrawman posted [p:911451160] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>OP please stay away from my family. You are a bad influence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 10/30/18 11:28:22 AM #6:	why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism but fails to acknowledge that the countries with the highest standard of living and happiness are all socialist countries? --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:911451169] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism but fails to acknowledge that the countries with the highest standard of living and happiness are all socialist countries?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 11:31:34 AM #7:	andel posted... why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism but fails to acknowledge that the countries with the highest standard of living and happiness are all socialist countries? The ones with safety nets have high standards of living and happiness, but the countries that actually went the socialist route ended up collapsing. See: Soviet Union, Romania (hell, most of eastern Europe), Venezuela, etc. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911451369] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism but fails to acknowledge that the countries with the highest standard of living and happiness are all socialist countries?</quote> The ones with safety nets have high standards of living and happiness, but the countries that actually went the socialist route ended up collapsing. See: Soviet Union, Romania (hell, most of eastern Europe), Venezuela, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/30/18 11:33:36 AM #8:	andel posted... why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism but fails to acknowledge that the countries with the highest standard of living and happiness are all socialist countries? Those are social democracies, which are capitalist countries my dude --- https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN Take better care of your teeth and f***, a lot more. <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:911451496] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism but fails to acknowledge that the countries with the highest standard of living and happiness are all socialist countries?</quote> Those are social democracies, which are capitalist countries my dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 10/30/18 11:33:43 AM #9:	what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:911451502] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 11:34:56 AM #10:	Giant_Aspirin posted... what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest Please trying reading, buddy. Literally the first quote in the OP. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911451578] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest</quote> Please trying reading, buddy. Literally the first quote in the OP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unimpressed 10/30/18 11:35:04 AM #11:	Giant_Aspirin posted... what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. TC also made a topic whining about an article in Teen Vogue, lol. He doesn't actually know what he's talking about. --- By Whining <cite>Unimpressed posted [p:911451588] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that.</quote> TC also made a topic whining about an article in Teen Vogue, lol. He doesn't actually know what he's talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Hellebuyck 10/30/18 11:46:20 AM #13:	King_Hellebuyck posted... TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters? Does anyone think hell answer this? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:911452295] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters?</quote> Does anyone think hell answer this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Calwings 10/30/18 12:02:31 PM #14:	Anything that takes Cuba farther and farther from the communist Castro regime that my father and grandparents managed to barely escape from is a good thing. Whether it's full capitalism, or if they can somehow get socialism to work without falling into a communist dictatorship, then that's totally fine. But fuck the Castro regime and anyone who wants or supports it staying in power. --- "Someday I too will fly... and find you again!" https://imgtc.com/i/20TSlXFCay.gif <cite>Calwings posted [p:911453421] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>Anything that takes Cuba farther and farther from the communist Castro regime that my father and grandparents managed to barely escape from is a good thing. Whether it's full capitalism, or if they can somehow get socialism to work without falling into a communist dictatorship, then that's totally fine. But fuck the Castro regime and anyone who wants or supports it staying in power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 12:06:32 PM #15:	Calwings posted... Anything that takes Cuba farther and farther from the communist Castro regime that my father and grandparents managed to barely escape from is a good thing. Whether it's full capitalism, or if they can somehow get socialism to work without falling into a communist dictatorship, then that's totally fine. But fuck the Castro regime and anyone who wants or supports it staying in power. Amen brother. CrimsonRage posted... andel posted... why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism iirc proudclad's parents were romanian refugees so they probably told him lots of horror stories of communist rule in romania. It's not horror stories - it's easily accessible information for anyone who cares to look it up. My grandparents and parents grew up in that shit. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911453650] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>Calwings posted...</cite> <quote>Anything that takes Cuba farther and farther from the communist Castro regime that my father and grandparents managed to barely escape from is a good thing. Whether it's full capitalism, or if they can somehow get socialism to work without falling into a communist dictatorship, then that's totally fine. But fuck the Castro regime and anyone who wants or supports it staying in power.</quote> Amen brother. <cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism </quote> iirc proudclad's parents were romanian refugees so they probably told him lots of horror stories of communist rule in romania.</quote> It's not horror stories - it's easily accessible information for anyone who cares to look it up. My grandparents and parents grew up in that shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 12:28:02 PM #16:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest Please trying reading, buddy. Literally the first quote in the OP. @Giant_Aspirin u see it bro? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911454969] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest</quote> Please trying reading, buddy. Literally the first quote in the OP.</quote> @Giant_Aspirin u see it bro?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 12:52:32 PM #17:	up --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911456412] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Hellebuyck 10/30/18 12:56:55 PM #19:	King_Hellebuyck posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters? Does anyone think hell answer this? Guess not --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:911456696] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>TC do you think economic systems should be decided by the will of the voters?</quote> Does anyone think hell answer this?</quote> Guess not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/30/18 12:57:38 PM #20:	People who conflate socialism with communism on such a trivial level like this are some of the dumbest people. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:911456748] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>People who conflate socialism with communism on such a trivial level like this are some of the dumbest people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 12:59:31 PM #21:	CrimsonRage posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CrimsonRage posted... andel posted... why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism iirc proudclad's parents were romanian refugees so they probably told him lots of horror stories of communist rule in romania. It's not horror stories - it's easily accessible information for anyone who cares to look it up. My grandparents and parents grew up in that shit. i didn't mean "horror stories" as fiction. the soviet union was horrible and life in eastern bloc countries was very rough. And yet people still care what Karl Marx said back in the old days. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911456878] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism </quote> iirc proudclad's parents were romanian refugees so they probably told him lots of horror stories of communist rule in romania.</quote> It's not horror stories - it's easily accessible information for anyone who cares to look it up. My grandparents and parents grew up in that shit.</quote> i didn't mean "horror stories" as fiction. the soviet union was horrible and life in eastern bloc countries was very rough.</quote> And yet people still care what Karl Marx said back in the old days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 12:59:52 PM #22:	VipaGTS posted... People who conflate socialism with communism on such a trivial level like this are some of the dumbest people. What are your thoughts on Karl Marx, buddy? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911456902] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>People who conflate socialism with communism on such a trivial level like this are some of the dumbest people.</quote> What are your thoughts on Karl Marx, buddy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/30/18 1:01:14 PM #23:	Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first? --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:911456993] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 1:02:10 PM #24:	VipaGTS posted... Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first? Hey buddy, regardless of how hard you try to obfuscate and deflect from the topic at hand, most Cubans still want capitalism and to leave Cuba. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911457047] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first?</quote> Hey buddy, regardless of how hard you try to obfuscate and deflect from the topic at hand, most Cubans still want capitalism and to leave Cuba.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/30/18 1:03:45 PM #25:	This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:911457136] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/30/18 1:08:47 PM #26:	FLUFFYGERM posted... VipaGTS posted... Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first? Hey buddy, regardless of how hard you try to obfuscate and deflect from the topic at hand, most Cubans still want capitalism and to leave Cuba. Should Cubas economic system be determined by the voters? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:911457476] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first?</quote> Hey buddy, regardless of how hard you try to obfuscate and deflect from the topic at hand, most Cubans still want capitalism and to leave Cuba.</quote> Should Cubas economic system be determined by the voters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/30/18 1:09:35 PM #27:	FLUFFYGERM posted... VipaGTS posted... Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first? Hey buddy, regardless of how hard you try to obfuscate and deflect from the topic at hand, most Cubans still want capitalism and to leave Cuba. So you're not going to explain yourself? --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:911457530] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Care to comment on why you're conflating modern socialism and communism first?</quote> Hey buddy, regardless of how hard you try to obfuscate and deflect from the topic at hand, most Cubans still want capitalism and to leave Cuba.</quote> So you're not going to explain yourself?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 10/30/18 1:10:17 PM #28:	FLUFFYGERM posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest Please trying reading, buddy. Literally the first quote in the OP. Giant_Aspirin u see it bro? i dont really see how Communist party insiders say Daz-Canel is aware of the economic benefits that wider internet access could bring the islands economy, but fears the islands political system could be overwhelmed. means " internet access would end Marxism in Cuba". i guess im just dense i guess --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:911457588] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>what sentence(s) from the OP actually enforce the claim made in the topic title? i dont see anything suggesting that. it seems like the topic title is pretty dishonest</quote> Please trying reading, buddy. Literally the first quote in the OP.</quote> Giant_Aspirin u see it bro?</quote> i dont really see how Communist party insiders say Daz-Canel is aware of the economic benefits that wider internet access could bring the islands economy, but fears the islands political system could be overwhelmed. means " internet access would end Marxism in Cuba". i guess im just dense i guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/30/18 1:16:03 PM #29:	Capitalism is for losers and should be crushed imo --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:911457962] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>Capitalism is for losers and should be crushed imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/30/18 1:17:25 PM #30:	DadofStrawman posted... OP please stay away from my family. You are a bad influence. lmao I like this gimmick. Whose alt? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:911458053] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>DadofStrawman posted...</cite> <quote>OP please stay away from my family. You are a bad influence.</quote> lmao I like this gimmick. Whose alt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/30/18 1:19:51 PM #31:	FLUFFYGERM posted... CrimsonRage posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CrimsonRage posted... andel posted... why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism iirc proudclad's parents were romanian refugees so they probably told him lots of horror stories of communist rule in romania. It's not horror stories - it's easily accessible information for anyone who cares to look it up. My grandparents and parents grew up in that shit. i didn't mean "horror stories" as fiction. the soviet union was horrible and life in eastern bloc countries was very rough. And yet people still care what Karl Marx said back in the old days. bUt kArL mArX! --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:911458217] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>why is tc so triggered by socialism and communism </quote> iirc proudclad's parents were romanian refugees so they probably told him lots of horror stories of communist rule in romania.</quote> It's not horror stories - it's easily accessible information for anyone who cares to look it up. My grandparents and parents grew up in that shit.</quote> i didn't mean "horror stories" as fiction. the soviet union was horrible and life in eastern bloc countries was very rough.</quote> And yet people still care what Karl Marx said back in the old days.</quote> bUt kArL mArX!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 1:20:48 PM #32:	Dragonblade01 posted... This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information. Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911458279] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information.</quote> Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/30/18 1:20:58 PM #33:	But the right in America claim the internet causes Marxism. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:911458288] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>But the right in America claim the internet causes Marxism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 2:41:01 PM #34:	creativerealms posted... But the right in America claim the internet causes Marxism. Uh I'm conservative and no, no we don't. I mean there's probably some clown somewhere who thinks the water is turning frogs gay and the internet is turning people into Marxists, but what we've seen from countries that tried to implement hardcore socialism (Soviet Union, eastern Europe, Venezuela, Cuba, etc) is that they try hard to censor and suppress information because they know that free information flow turns people into anti-Marxists once they see reality and data. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911463443] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>But the right in America claim the internet causes Marxism.</quote> Uh I'm conservative and no, no we don't. I mean there's probably some clown somewhere who thinks the water is turning frogs gay and the internet is turning people into Marxists, but what we've seen from countries that tried to implement hardcore socialism (Soviet Union, eastern Europe, Venezuela, Cuba, etc) is that they try hard to censor and suppress information because they know that free information flow turns people into anti-Marxists once they see reality and data.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 6:30:09 PM #35:	bump --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911477543] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/30/18 7:44:47 PM #36:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragonblade01 posted... This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information. Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model. No, it's not. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:911481847] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information.</quote> Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model.</quote> No, it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaffIeElite 10/30/18 9:11:03 PM #37:	TC is a conservative, folks. --- I have a signature. Apparently this is important, but I still don't have my secret cool kid decoder ring yet. <cite>WaffIeElite posted [p:911486867] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>TC is a conservative, folks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountDog 10/30/18 9:16:40 PM #38:	Cuba already has a bunch of illegal networks going on and even the government has been caught taking cuts from it. Its only a matter of time. --- http://kinomania.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg http://verleih.polyfilm.at/how_arnold_won_the_west/arnold%20thumbs%20up.jpg <cite>CountDog posted [p:911487270] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>Cuba already has a bunch of illegal networks going on and even the government has been caught taking cuts from it. Its only a matter of time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 9:33:56 PM #39:	Dragonblade01 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragonblade01 posted... This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information. Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model. No, it's not. It absolutely is. Marx specifically even allowed for violence if that's what it took to enforce obedience to the collective. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911488241] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information.</quote> Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model.</quote> No, it's not.</quote> It absolutely is. Marx specifically even allowed for violence if that's what it took to enforce obedience to the collective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 9:34:13 PM #40:	WaffIeElite posted... TC is a conservative, folks. Absolutely --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911488248] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>WaffIeElite posted...</cite> <quote>TC is a conservative, folks.</quote> Absolutely</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 9:36:17 PM #42:	Anisoptera posted... Americans hate on socialism, but give out free candy on Halloween. with their own money tho not with FLUFFYGERM's hard-earned earnings --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911488382] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anisoptera posted...</cite> <quote>Americans hate on socialism, but give out free candy on Halloween.</quote> with their own money tho not with FLUFFYGERM's hard-earned earnings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/30/18 9:39:43 PM #43:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragonblade01 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragonblade01 posted... This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information. Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model. No, it's not. It absolutely is. Marx specifically even allowed for violence if that's what it took to enforce obedience to the collective. Marx is not the end all be all of the economic system. Control of information is the explicit result of authoritarian policy, not of any economic policy. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:911488571] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>This is not an issue of economic policy. This is an issue of a leader trying to control the flow of information.</quote> Incorrect - this anti-information stance is the consequence of the party's chosen economic model.</quote> No, it's not.</quote> It absolutely is. Marx specifically even allowed for violence if that's what it took to enforce obedience to the collective.</quote> Marx is not the end all be all of the economic system. Control of information is the explicit result of authoritarian policy, not of any economic policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/30/18 10:03:54 PM #44:	bump --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:911489783] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LepartialJury 11/04/18 5:32:12 AM #46:	Suspended --- Simple-straight-narrow <cite>LepartialJury posted [p:911779470] in Cuba's soc... [t:77148706]...</cite> <quote>Suspended</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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