Board 8 > deltarune.com

(+) Yeah! (+)

That was a very odd ride.
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jevil was pretty fun

Ralsei is my new furry crush

Anyway that was really nice. I think my only complaint is that it took me about halfway through the episode to realize that it wasn't a demo or something, I wasn't really sure how long I was going to need to sit down with this thing

something something lack of expectations is good but it fucked with my mindset a little bit

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A free Chapter 1 from a game with multiple chapters is still a demo. Undertale did the same thing.

It's just that this game is probably much longer than Undertale so the demo is longer too.

Alright guys so... anyone understands what the hell is going on? Because this was a pretty silly game until the end. Felt like some Easy Mode of Undertale with better gameplay. Then you go back to the city and I'm trying to figure out if this is the future or some kind of parallel universe. Then there is that ending and.... what the fuck?

Ok I searched online for discussion and the most common theory is that this is after one of the genocide endings.

I'm pretty sure this game is episodic, not a demo.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm pretty sure this game is episodic, not a demo.

But we're gonna pay for it at some point, right?

This is kind of weird.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm pretty sure this game is episodic, not a demo.

But we're gonna pay for it at some point, right?

This is kind of weird.

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the answer to that question is a hard "no"

I haven't seen anyone else say it anywhere, but my idea is that it's a prequel. You're the only human, Asriel's (... maybe) alive, Sans just got here, Catty's presumably younger, since she's in school, compared to Undertale where she was running a store, and a few other things.

So I think it's Chara's story. It's not like Chara was an official name anyway.

Though, fun thing to note, regardless it's probably Chara's story in at least one way. When you first go to make a save, the save that's there is under Kris's name, but when you save it's under the name you gave yourself in the intro. So you probably took over Kris. Which is what Chara was to Frisk.

The only other viable solution is that it's some AU thing. The only ending where Asriel's alive is if you spare him in Neutral where he runs off, and it's quite obviously not Genocide unless they're fucking with you to an extent that it might as well just be AU.

There's also the fact that Gaster's presumably involved, due to the lead up to the release on twitter. And he'd have been in the past.

Paratroopa1 posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm pretty sure this game is episodic, not a demo.

But we're gonna pay for it at some point, right?

This is kind of weird.

I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the answer to that question is a hard "no"

God knows he's got enough money now.
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Prequel makes sense. This is DEFINITELY NOT a direct continuation of Undertale - there are too many clues given to make it VERY CLEAR to us that that is not the case, and thinking it is would be to completely ignore the text. The one thing I don't understand about that is that I thought Toriel and Asgore didn't split up until AFTER the monsters all got banished

Alternate universe is also possible, and was the theory I was running with in my head since I wasn't thinking "prequel"

It's not a "direct" sequel, but I think Undertale is 4th wall breaking enough to allow this to be a sequel in some way and still work.

Like, Chara won and now he's jumping between alternate universes killing people and destroying them.

A prequel kind of works... though it does create a few contradictions. The main one being the setting doesn't look like an underground at all. And also I'm not sure if a prequel would justify a whole game since we already know what happened and it's a pretty linear and tragic story compared to Undertale itself.

I think it's something that will play with the way Undertale does alternate realities. Like Chrono Cross does with Chrono Trigger, maybe we'll find out we never truly save the world.

Because they can't just do the pacifist-genocide thing again, we already know it, which is why this game was mostly kind of boring compared to Undertale. It needs a new twist.

part of me thought it was a prequel (Catty/Bratty aren't friends yet, Burger guy seems to be working his first job, Undyne doesn't know Alphys) but now I'm PRETTY SURE it's an AU, because of one specific thing

When you talk to Sans, he talks about having just met your mom (Toriel)

in Undertale, Sans never knew Toriel personally until the endgame, and just referred to her as "old lady"

which suggests that this didn't happen before Undertale (because he didn't meet her properly before Undertale) and didn't happen after (because he would've already known her)
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btw, did anyone play this like a Genocide route? I played through the way it said, never killing anyone, so I'm curious if it changed anything
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Johnbobb posted...

part of me thought it was a prequel (Catty/Bratty aren't friends yet, Burger guy seems to be working his first job, Undyne doesn't know Alphys) but now I'm PRETTY SURE it's an AU, because of one specific thing

When you talk to Sans, he talks about having just met your mom (Toriel)

in Undertale, Sans never knew Toriel personally until the endgame, and just referred to her as "old lady"

which suggests that this didn't happen before Undertale (because he didn't meet her properly before Undertale) and didn't happen after (because he would've already known her)

Honestly I don't really take anything sans says (as in actually says) as meaning shit, because it's sans. I don't even necessarily buy him saying he just got here, it's just another drop in the prequel bucket.
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maybe sans knows we're chara and is trying to fuck with us
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Johnbobb posted...

btw, did anyone play this like a Genocide route? I played through the way it said, never killing anyone, so I'm curious if it changed anything

According to Reddit there isn't a Genocide route, but there is a Normal one. It seems instead of getting a monster revolution you put the king to sleep and you don't get to talk to the monsters in the end.

Most of the plot doesn't change at all though, which is in line with the "your choices don't matter" thing.

I'm getting a feeling that this game is "broken" in some way. Like the player lost control of it like we had before and we need to get it back.

Johnbobb posted...

part of me thought it was a prequel (Catty/Bratty aren't friends yet, Burger guy seems to be working his first job, Undyne doesn't know Alphys) but now I'm PRETTY SURE it's an AU, because of one specific thing

When you talk to Sans, he talks about having just met your mom (Toriel)

in Undertale, Sans never knew Toriel personally until the endgame, and just referred to her as "old lady"

which suggests that this didn't happen before Undertale (because he didn't meet her properly before Undertale) and didn't happen after (because he would've already known her)

I obviously don't have the script in front of me, but I'm pretty sure Undyne was just playing dumb/tsundere with Alphys, given how that conversation went.

Additionally, Gerson seems to be dead, and that would make this being a prequel hard.

i dunno. i'm sure the twitters and the tumblrs will start digging through the files and find something sooner or later.
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I got a real Majora's Mask vibe from playing this.
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DAYUUUUUM
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what is this
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OK.

What.
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GANON1025 posted...

I got a real Majora's Mask vibe from playing this.

I did too, from the whole alternate universe thing

Paratroopa1 posted...

Ralsei is my new furry crush

No way, he's mine
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Zigzagoon posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

Ralsei is my new furry crush

No way, he's mine

we can share

ok so if I played Undertale but wasn't like, in LOVE with it like most people would I still get the general experience out of this. I thought Undertale was cute and charming.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

ok so if I played Undertale but wasn't like, in LOVE with it like most people would I still get the general experience out of this. I thought Undertale was cute and charming.

Yeah, I'd play it.

Majora's Mask vibe is a good way to describe it.

I don't think it's a prequel. There's too much stuff that's contradictory if so. Alternate universe seems much more likely.

That ending was fucked up.
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I think alternate universe is kind of likely for a lot of reasons actually, but it's less related specifically to the text and more to I think the exact kind of mindset that I expect Toby Fox would approach this game with? I think he's trying to make a new game here with new characters and a new story (but with some recurring ideas) but he still enjoys all the old Undertale characters and wants to throw the fans a bone as well, but both a sequel AND a prequel or anything really directly tied to the lore of Undertale would be messy and would prevent the new story from taking off? That's my gut feeling. I feel like the story of Undertale has been told and I feel like that's how Toby would feel which is why I was so surprised to see an Undertale sequel in the first place, although it shouldn't be a surprise that he's had something in the works.

I mean, I could be wrong! Maybe Undertale is canon to this new game and all the Undertale lore matters a lot. But it seems unlikely to me that Toby made Undertale as a game that was anything but self-contained and that he told everything he wanted to tell in that game, given that he never could have known what Undertale would become.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I think alternate universe is kind of likely for a lot of reasons actually, but it's less related specifically to the text and more to I think the exact kind of mindset that I expect Toby Fox would approach this game with? I think he's trying to make a new game here with new characters and a new story (but with some recurring ideas) but he still enjoys all the old Undertale characters and wants to throw the fans a bone as well, but both a sequel AND a prequel or anything really directly tied to the lore of Undertale would be messy and would prevent the new story from taking off? That's my gut feeling. I feel like the story of Undertale has been told and I feel like that's how Toby would feel which is why I was so surprised to see an Undertale sequel in the first place, although it shouldn't be a surprise that he's had something in the works.

I mean, I could be wrong! Maybe Undertale is canon to this new game and all the Undertale lore matters a lot. But it seems unlikely to me that Toby made Undertale as a game that was anything but self-contained and that he told everything he wanted to tell in that game, given that he never could have known what Undertale would become.

To add onto this: Interestingly, I think Hiveswap is doing the exact same thing with Homestuck, which is interesting given the numerous parallels between the two projects.

I think it's already unavoidable for Undertale to be a separate entity from Deltarune even if you just go with the whole 're-using the characters because he likes them' angle. There's a ton of things in the game that lose impact if you haven't played Undertale. Like I have no idea what someone who didn't play Undertale would think after seeing that ending cutscene.

Regardless, I don't think it needs to be super tied into the lore. If the 'Chara is fucking up an alternate universe' shtick ends up being true, it doesn't affect the original game's lore much if at all.

Also, speaking of naming shenanigans: Kris definitely sounds like Chara and Frisk mashed together.
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KamikazePotato posted...

I think it's already unavoidable for Undertale to be a separate entity from Deltarune even if you just go with the whole 're-using the characters because he likes them' angle. There's a ton of things in the game that lose impact if you haven't played Undertale. Like I have no idea what someone who didn't play Undertale would think after seeing that ending cutscene.

Regardless, I don't think it needs to be super tied into the lore. If the 'Chara is fucking up an alternate universe' shtick ends up being true, it doesn't affect the original game's lore much if at all.

Also, speaking of naming shenanigans: Kris definitely sounds like Chara and Frisk mashed together.

Oh yeah I don't mean that this game is supposed to be played on its own (although honestly, it CAN be) or that it's not supposed to be laden with meaning for someone who has played Undertale. Just that I don't think the point of this game is to be a continued telling of the plot of Undertale. I think it's supposed to be a continued telling of Undertale's themes and ideas, for sure, but I kind of get the vibe that Toby is trying to drive home the idea of this being a sequel in spirit, not directly, by leaving a bunch of clues that suggest that things are just different here.

I do still think this could just be a straight up prequel though? I don't see why it can't be, aside from a couple of small things that might not really mean that much.

There's like, a whole bunch of stuff I want to talk about with this game and yet, for some reason, I'm not really sure "when" the right time is to start getting into it

Speculation about this game's relationship to Undertale is not the only topic of interest!

Yeah there is something nobody is talking about.

Who the hell is the knight that influenced the spades king?

Man it's like Hidden Figures lol.
Maybe making a thread for Deltarune discussion and spoilers would work as well?
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Woh

So apparently Toby has had the Deltarune website domain for a long time (like, pre-Undertale long time) and if you use the wayback machine to check it out there's hints hidden in wingdings about the plot of the game, saying "three heroes appear to banish the angel's heaven".

Also, in Sans workshop in Undertale you can see the same blueprints from Deltarune (which admittedly might be just reused assets but knowing Toby it could just as easily not be) and if you examine the drawers after talking to Clam Girl (who mentions a "Suzy") you get a message saying that there is a photo with "three smiling people" with "don't forget" written on the back.

And the ending theme that plays during the credits to Deltarune chapter 1 is titled "Don't Forget".

What the hell??

Has Toby been planning the SUPER LONG CON for years?? Was Undertale all just a set up for this game??? My mind is blown.

More like he's doing the Homestuck thing and leaving bits of foreshadowing for the sequel he didn't know if he would ever make.

So apparently some things in the game change a bit depending on which of the three game files you are playing in.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

So apparently some things in the game change a bit depending on which of the three game files you are playing in.

such as?
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Johnbobb posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

So apparently some things in the game change a bit depending on which of the three game files you are playing in.

such as?

The contents of Asriel's drawer.
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parallel universes confirmed
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Side note: while so far I prefer Undertale's soundtrack, some of the tracks in Delta Rune are real real good.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Ralsei is my new furry crush

Same, and it happened so fast
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So I noticed something about the Gravestones.

Monsters don't have Graves, right? Don't they just turn to dust and are spread across their favorite thing? seems pointless to make gravestones for them. So are all those people humans?
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

ok so if I played Undertale but wasn't like, in LOVE with it like most people would I still get the general experience out of this. I thought Undertale was cute and charming.

How much of it did you play?
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I felt like an idiot for not noticing that Ralsei is an anagram of Asriel until after that particular reveal.
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KamikazePotato posted...

I felt like an idiot for not noticing that Ralsei is an anagram of Asriel until after that particular reveal.

And Kris is supposed to be somewhat an anagram of Frisk I'm pretty sure
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So the battle theme sounds super familiar but I can't quite place it. I know there's an RPG with a similar kind of theme that I think it's referencing. Maybe one of the Tales?

Also the forest theme song sounds a lot like Xenoblade (Mitsuda at least). Field theme is the best though.
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foolm0r0n posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

I felt like an idiot for not noticing that Ralsei is an anagram of Asriel until after that particular reveal.

And Kris is supposed to be somewhat an anagram of Frisk I'm pretty sure

I think it's supposed to be a mashup of Chara and Frisk. Takes most of the letters from Kris but starts with that hard 'Cuh' sound like Chara does.
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