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pxlated 11/09/18 4:05:43 AM #452:	Jakyl25 posted... Okay heres another late night sleepy thought Has England figured out how to do Brexit yet? Pretty sure no --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:912093792] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Okay heres another late night sleepy thought Has England figured out how to do Brexit yet?</quote> Pretty sure no</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/09/18 4:09:01 AM #453:	Are they just gonna pretend the vote never happened? Or are they still going to be in the EU 100 years from hashing out the details on how to follow a referendum that no one alive actually voted on Which honestly sounds like a very English thing to do --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:912093857] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Are they just gonna pretend the vote never happened? Or are they still going to be in the EU 100 years from hashing out the details on how to follow a referendum that no one alive actually voted on Which honestly sounds like a very English thing to do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/09/18 4:11:45 AM #454:	I grew up in a liberal suburb of Chicago. So far more liberals around me than conservatives. My entire family on my mom's side are basically hippies. I find it bizarre that you don't know where to find republicans >_> You're talking about them like they're unicorns. They're everywhere! A couple of guys from my high school circle that I still hang out with all the time are republicans (both hispanic), my adopted cousin is a republican and even canvassed for shudder Ted Cruz of all people during the primaries (she's black - she's also the only one black woman republican I've ever met in my entire life so this is an outlier), a guy from my college cross country team (white), my current boss (first generation Chinese immigrant who is, quite possibly, the most anti-illegal immigration person I've ever met to the point it makes me uncomfortable and I secretly think he's just testing me to see what my views on immigration are), and then some people like one friendship level down that I only see sporadically, and then even more in my extended network that I rarely see or only talk to on Facebook once in a while. These are all "suburban" republicans so there is an entire swath of small town republicanism I'm not exposed to and honestly don't know anyone like that. And only a couple of people I know were huge Trump supporters and most everyone else was Rubio or Jeb or Kasich. (A lot of them have since taken the Seph route of "eh could be worse" which is disappointing). But they're all normal people. Good people that I like talking to. There were a couple that I cut out of my life, sure, for racism or sexism or homophobia. That is definitely a problem amongst republicans and you find some people that identify as republicans because I think that they think that their ideology is more aligned there, and that is certainly concerning. A literal Nazi just ran here in Illinois and garnered a share of the vote that was basically what the last republican challenger in that district got. But you can't treat all republicans like they're the same. I see sometimes that sort of broad brush like "oh don't give Kasich any cookies for saying one good thing he's just as bad as Trump" when uh, no, not really. I think it is sort of bad to say Kasich and Trump are the same or Jeb! and Steve King are the same or things along that line. There is wrong, which is fine, and then there is harmful, which is not. I am genuinely shocked you guys aren't friends with any republicans. You probably are and maybe don't know it. I live in a liberal city, grew up in a liberal suburb, come from a liberal family, voted liberal my entire life, but I still run into republicans all the time. So to answer your question a bit more...just talk to them sometimes, I dunno. Doesn't even have to be about politics. I don't think we're as divided as we like to think and can let the loudest voices drive the conversation. I don't know how to fix people that go to the_donald or 4chan or show up at people's house and chant "we know where you live". They may be lost. Just don't let yourself get to that point. Keep talking to your parents and family. I think you're fine, honestly! ...you're probably just drunk. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:912093920] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I grew up in a liberal suburb of Chicago. So far more liberals around me than conservatives. My entire family on my mom's side are basically hippies. I find it bizarre that you don't know where to find republicans >_> You're talking about them like they're unicorns. They're everywhere! A couple of guys from my high school circle that I still hang out with all the time are republicans (both hispanic), my adopted cousin is a republican and even canvassed for shudder Ted Cruz of all people during the primaries (she's black - she's also the only one black woman republican I've ever met in my entire life so this is an outlier), a guy from my college cross country team (white), my current boss (first generation Chinese immigrant who is, quite possibly, the most anti-illegal immigration person I've ever met to the point it makes me uncomfortable and I secretly think he's just testing me to see what my views on immigration are), and then some people like one friendship level down that I only see sporadically, and then even more in my extended network that I rarely see or only talk to on Facebook once in a while. These are all "suburban" republicans so there is an entire swath of small town republicanism I'm not exposed to and honestly don't know anyone like that. And only a couple of people I know were huge Trump supporters and most everyone else was Rubio or Jeb or Kasich. (A lot of them have since taken the Seph route of "eh could be worse" which is disappointing). But they're all normal people. Good people that I like talking to. There were a couple that I cut out of my life, sure, for racism or sexism or homophobia. That is definitely a problem amongst republicans and you find some people that identify as republicans because I think that they think that their ideology is more aligned there, and that is certainly concerning. A literal Nazi just ran here in Illinois and garnered a share of the vote that was basically what the last republican challenger in that district got. But you can't treat all republicans like they're the same. I see sometimes that sort of broad brush like "oh don't give Kasich any cookies for saying one good thing he's just as bad as Trump" when uh, no, not really. I think it is sort of bad to say Kasich and Trump are the same or Jeb! and Steve King are the same or things along that line. There is wrong, which is fine, and then there is harmful, which is not. I am genuinely shocked you guys aren't friends with any republicans. You probably are and maybe don't know it. I live in a liberal city, grew up in a liberal suburb, come from a liberal family, voted liberal my entire life, but I still run into republicans all the time. So to answer your question a bit more...just talk to them sometimes, I dunno. Doesn't even have to be about politics. I don't think we're as divided as we like to think and can let the loudest voices drive the conversation. I don't know how to fix people that go to the_donald or 4chan or show up at people's house and chant "we know where you live". They may be lost. Just don't let yourself get to that point. Keep talking to your parents and family. I think you're fine, honestly! ...you're probably just drunk.</quote> ... 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Suprak the Stud 11/09/18 4:13:34 AM #455:	That might've come off holier than thou than I meant it too. My son is sick so I'm sitting in his room in the middle of the night trying to get him to go back to bed and have just started rambling. I didn't mean it to come off that way and don't think you're a bad person for wanting to hang out with people that are like minded! I think that is fairly normal! But it can also lead to the divide you notice. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:912093952] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>That might've come off holier than thou than I meant it too. My son is sick so I'm sitting in his room in the middle of the night trying to get him to go back to bed and have just started rambling. I didn't mean it to come off that way and don't think you're a bad person for wanting to hang out with people that are like minded! I think that is fairly normal! But it can also lead to the divide you notice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 11/09/18 4:15:25 AM #456:	Hey now I'm not the one acting like republicans are unicorns. And i think I'm the only one that is currently drunk Suprak plz --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:912093985] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Hey now I'm not the one acting like republicans are unicorns. And i think I'm the only one that is currently drunk Suprak plz</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/09/18 4:16:31 AM #457:	Suprak the Stud posted... I don't know how to fix people that...show up at people's house and chant "we know where you live". They may be lost. That was quite funny to interpret literally. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:912094010] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know how to fix people that...show up at people's house and chant "we know where you live". They may be lost.</quote> That was quite funny to interpret literally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 11/09/18 4:20:27 AM #458:	That's just it though, they do seem like unicorns to me. Of my 6 friends groups that I have (forgot one in the intervening time since the last post) I can account for damn well near everyone's general outlook and none of them are republicans. The only people I know who are republicans are people in my family who are at least 50 years old - and even THEN it's not many. Most of my mom's family is liberal and my stepdad's family (who I am quite close to) are liberal across the board. All of my friends groups frequently engage in politics talk which makes it clear we're all not republicans. I don't know things are other places but the pervading culture in Seattle and its surrounding areas is very reserved so strangers don't generally talk about politics with each other, which can make this a hard and usually very undesirable subject to breach with people you don't know very well (which may or may not be for the better, depending on whether you think 'civility' or 'understanding' is more important, and I don't know the answer to that), so it's probable that I've been acquaintances with republicans (I mean, I worked elections in 2016 and they explicitly hire as close to a 50/50 democrat/republican split as they can), but I've never been friends with one. Again, aside from like, ed, who barely counts. That's kind of the problem with being friends with republicans in 2018 - anyone who would consider themselves such that I would find enjoyable to relate to would have dropped the label like a hot piece of shit after 2016, so it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:912094083] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>That's just it though, they do seem like unicorns to me. Of my 6 friends groups that I have (forgot one in the intervening time since the last post) I can account for damn well near everyone's general outlook and none of them are republicans. The only people I know who are republicans are people in my family who are at least 50 years old - and even THEN it's not many. Most of my mom's family is liberal and my stepdad's family (who I am quite close to) are liberal across the board. All of my friends groups frequently engage in politics talk which makes it clear we're all not republicans. I don't know things are other places but the pervading culture in Seattle and its surrounding areas is very reserved so strangers don't generally talk about politics with each other, which can make this a hard and usually very undesirable subject to breach with people you don't know very well (which may or may not be for the better, depending on whether you think 'civility' or 'understanding' is more important, and I don't know the answer to that), so it's probable that I've been acquaintances with republicans (I mean, I worked elections in 2016 and they explicitly hire as close to a 50/50 democrat/republican split as they can), but I've never been friends with one. Again, aside from like, ed, who barely counts. That's kind of the problem with being friends with republicans in 2018 - anyone who would consider themselves such that I would find enjoyable to relate to would have dropped the label like a hot piece of shit after 2016, so it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/09/18 4:22:57 AM #459:	Like who is the most milquetoast Republican? Jeb!? I cant imagine myself being friehds with someone like Jeb! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:912094119] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Like who is the most milquetoast Republican? Jeb!? I cant imagine myself being friehds with someone like Jeb!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 11/09/18 4:25:08 AM #460:	I'm not cutting anybody out of my life because of their views, I just literally know no open Trump supporters my age. Of course, I'm a graduate student in possibly the most liberal city in the country. I do have several conservative (or libertarian) friends, but as far as I know they all dislike Trump or at least aren't open about liking him. Some I haven't talked to about politics in a while so I guess it's possible they've come around to approving of him. If that were the case I'd be very disappointed, but I wouldn't cut them out of my life. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:912094150] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I'm not cutting anybody out of my life because of their views, I just literally know no open Trump supporters my age. Of course, I'm a graduate student in possibly the most liberal city in the country. I do have several conservative (or libertarian) friends, but as far as I know they all dislike Trump or at least aren't open about liking him. Some I haven't talked to about politics in a while so I guess it's possible they've come around to approving of him. If that were the case I'd be very disappointed, but I wouldn't cut them out of my life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 11/09/18 4:27:13 AM #461:	Suprak even more stuff Oh, i see you shifted from addressing the republicorns to addressing my original question. Where's the segue! Yeah, you are probably right. I've tried talking to my parents about stuff and any time it broaches politics they dont agree with, no matter how calmly or gently i approach the subject, they tune it out. I can literally see the moment they stop listening. And I'm not just soapboxing to them, or ranting, or framing things as "red bad blue good" whatever. Genuine conversation thats going fine until i question something or someone they support. For example, I brought up the fact that Trump's admin is trying to strip trans protections away and how that is going to make a difficult life even more difficult for their trans child and they literally just stopped responding. We had been having a decent political discussion up until that point, although mostly because I was biting my tongue and not challenging anything Also inb4 corrik or ulti quotes this and goes "you do the same thing to people on the right in this topic" Demonstrate you can have reasonable discussions without just ignoring any legitimate arguments that arent from people you deem worthy (a la corrik with suprak) and i will entertain you --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:912094181] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak</cite> <quote>even more stuff</quote> Oh, i see you shifted from addressing the republicorns to addressing my original question. Where's the segue! Yeah, you are probably right. I've tried talking to my parents about stuff and any time it broaches politics they dont agree with, no matter how calmly or gently i approach the subject, they tune it out. I can literally see the moment they stop listening. And I'm not just soapboxing to them, or ranting, or framing things as "red bad blue good" whatever. Genuine conversation thats going fine until i question something or someone they support. For example, I brought up the fact that Trump's admin is trying to strip trans protections away and how that is going to make a difficult life even more difficult for their trans child and they literally just stopped responding. We had been having a decent political discussion up until that point, although mostly because I was biting my tongue and not challenging anything Also inb4 corrik or ulti quotes this and goes "you do the same thing to people on the right in this topic" Demonstrate you can have reasonable discussions without just ignoring any legitimate arguments that arent from people you deem worthy (a la corrik with suprak) and i will entertain you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 11/09/18 4:27:45 AM #462:	Paratroopa1 posted... That's just it though, they do seem like unicorns to me. Of my 6 friends groups that I have (forgot one in the intervening time since the last post) I can account for damn well near everyone's general outlook and none of them are republicans. The only people I know who are republicans are people in my family who are at least 50 years old - and even THEN it's not many. Most of my mom's family is liberal and my stepdad's family (who I am quite close to) are liberal across the board. All of my friends groups frequently engage in politics talk which makes it clear we're all not republicans. I don't know things are other places but the pervading culture in Seattle and its surrounding areas is very reserved so strangers don't generally talk about politics with each other, which can make this a hard and usually very undesirable subject to breach with people you don't know very well (which may or may not be for the better, depending on whether you think 'civility' or 'understanding' is more important, and I don't know the answer to that), so it's probable that I've been acquaintances with republicans (I mean, I worked elections in 2016 and they explicitly hire as close to a 50/50 democrat/republican split as they can), but I've never been friends with one. Again, aside from like, ed, who barely counts. That's kind of the problem with being friends with republicans in 2018 - anyone who would consider themselves such that I would find enjoyable to relate to would have dropped the label like a hot piece of shit after 2016, so it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways. The highly educated young republicans I know are almost all either libertarians and/or quite religious --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:912094191] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote>That's just it though, they do seem like unicorns to me. Of my 6 friends groups that I have (forgot one in the intervening time since the last post) I can account for damn well near everyone's general outlook and none of them are republicans. The only people I know who are republicans are people in my family who are at least 50 years old - and even THEN it's not many. Most of my mom's family is liberal and my stepdad's family (who I am quite close to) are liberal across the board. All of my friends groups frequently engage in politics talk which makes it clear we're all not republicans. I don't know things are other places but the pervading culture in Seattle and its surrounding areas is very reserved so strangers don't generally talk about politics with each other, which can make this a hard and usually very undesirable subject to breach with people you don't know very well (which may or may not be for the better, depending on whether you think 'civility' or 'understanding' is more important, and I don't know the answer to that), so it's probable that I've been acquaintances with republicans (I mean, I worked elections in 2016 and they explicitly hire as close to a 50/50 democrat/republican split as they can), but I've never been friends with one. Again, aside from like, ed, who barely counts. That's kind of the problem with being friends with republicans in 2018 - anyone who would consider themselves such that I would find enjoyable to relate to would have dropped the label like a hot piece of shit after 2016, so it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways.</quote> The highly educated young republicans I know are almost all either libertarians and/or quite religious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 11/09/18 4:29:38 AM #463:	I wouldn't specifically cut someone out of my life for being a Trump supporter but it's basically inevitable that I wouldn't be able to be friends with them anymore if they stayed that way, because it would mean we didn't have a lot in common on a basic level I know some people want to believe that you can just be friends with anyone no matter their personal beliefs, and while many people do remain friends with people who are quite diametrically opposed to them politically I think that's very much the exception and not the rule and generally people do not associate with people who share very different personal philosophies and worldviews, or at least those associations do not last <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:912094221] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't specifically cut someone out of my life for being a Trump supporter but it's basically inevitable that I wouldn't be able to be friends with them anymore if they stayed that way, because it would mean we didn't have a lot in common on a basic level I know some people want to believe that you can just be friends with anyone no matter their personal beliefs, and while many people do remain friends with people who are quite diametrically opposed to them politically I think that's very much the exception and not the rule and generally people do not associate with people who share very different personal philosophies and worldviews, or at least those associations do not last</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 11/09/18 4:31:26 AM #464:	LordoftheMorons posted... Paratroopa1 posted... That's just it though, they do seem like unicorns to me. Of my 6 friends groups that I have (forgot one in the intervening time since the last post) I can account for damn well near everyone's general outlook and none of them are republicans. The only people I know who are republicans are people in my family who are at least 50 years old - and even THEN it's not many. Most of my mom's family is liberal and my stepdad's family (who I am quite close to) are liberal across the board. All of my friends groups frequently engage in politics talk which makes it clear we're all not republicans. I don't know things are other places but the pervading culture in Seattle and its surrounding areas is very reserved so strangers don't generally talk about politics with each other, which can make this a hard and usually very undesirable subject to breach with people you don't know very well (which may or may not be for the better, depending on whether you think 'civility' or 'understanding' is more important, and I don't know the answer to that), so it's probable that I've been acquaintances with republicans (I mean, I worked elections in 2016 and they explicitly hire as close to a 50/50 democrat/republican split as they can), but I've never been friends with one. Again, aside from like, ed, who barely counts. That's kind of the problem with being friends with republicans in 2018 - anyone who would consider themselves such that I would find enjoyable to relate to would have dropped the label like a hot piece of shit after 2016, so it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways. The highly educated young republicans I know are almost all either libertarians and/or quite religious I DO know some people with libertarian leanings but they're left-leaning libertarians and always very socially progressive. I don't actually know many people who I know to be religious and actively practicing, although much like politics, religion is not generally considered a polite topic of conversation with anyone you don't know very very well here, and I don't have a religious ingroup seeing as I'm not religious. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:912094252] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote>That's just it though, they do seem like unicorns to me. Of my 6 friends groups that I have (forgot one in the intervening time since the last post) I can account for damn well near everyone's general outlook and none of them are republicans. The only people I know who are republicans are people in my family who are at least 50 years old - and even THEN it's not many. Most of my mom's family is liberal and my stepdad's family (who I am quite close to) are liberal across the board. All of my friends groups frequently engage in politics talk which makes it clear we're all not republicans. I don't know things are other places but the pervading culture in Seattle and its surrounding areas is very reserved so strangers don't generally talk about politics with each other, which can make this a hard and usually very undesirable subject to breach with people you don't know very well (which may or may not be for the better, depending on whether you think 'civility' or 'understanding' is more important, and I don't know the answer to that), so it's probable that I've been acquaintances with republicans (I mean, I worked elections in 2016 and they explicitly hire as close to a 50/50 democrat/republican split as they can), but I've never been friends with one. Again, aside from like, ed, who barely counts. That's kind of the problem with being friends with republicans in 2018 - anyone who would consider themselves such that I would find enjoyable to relate to would have dropped the label like a hot piece of shit after 2016, so it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways.</quote> The highly educated young republicans I know are almost all either libertarians and/or quite religious</quote> I DO know some people with libertarian leanings but they're left-leaning libertarians and always very socially progressive. I don't actually know many people who I know to be religious and actively practicing, although much like politics, religion is not generally considered a polite topic of conversation with anyone you don't know very very well here, and I don't have a religious ingroup seeing as I'm not religious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/09/18 4:38:14 AM #465:	My general feelings is I can friendly with a Trump supporter. I just can't be friends with one. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:912094402] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>My general feelings is I can friendly with a Trump supporter. I just can't be friends with one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/09/18 5:16:37 AM #466:	Sorry to drop more AZ SEN talk into this, but aggregating most of what I've read/heard about the state of the race: tl;dr: We should have a much better idea by the end of the day Long Version: There's ~325k votes outstanding in Maricopa now. Roughly 140k is expected to be good for Sinema. The other 180k are expected to be good for McSally. On top of that, there are still the other counties (notably including Pima) with votes left. (For reference, the 150k ish batch that was reported yesterday and put Sinema in the lead was another Sinema-friendly batch) It sounds like after AZ's next info drop today we'll probably know if Sinema's lead is big enough that it probably can't be made up even with the friendlier votes for McSally left or if we're gonna be here for a while and it'll come down to the wire. Like in a week. Silver said on Twitter he's moved AZ SEN to Tossup, with an acknowledgment that there's a case for Lean D but he wants to wait and see what happens. Personally, what I've read sounds encouraging for Sinema and I think I'd rather be in her position at the moment, but again, we should get a clearer idea by tonight. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:912095016] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Sorry to drop more AZ SEN talk into this, but aggregating most of what I've read/heard about the state of the race: tl;dr: We should have a much better idea by the end of the day Long Version: There's ~325k votes outstanding in Maricopa now. Roughly 140k is expected to be good for Sinema. The other 180k are expected to be good for McSally. On top of that, there are still the other counties (notably including Pima) with votes left. (For reference, the 150k ish batch that was reported yesterday and put Sinema in the lead was another Sinema-friendly batch) It sounds like after AZ's next info drop today we'll probably know if Sinema's lead is big enough that it probably can't be made up even with the friendlier votes for McSally left or if we're gonna be here for a while and it'll come down to the wire. Like in a week. Silver said on Twitter he's moved AZ SEN to Tossup, with an acknowledgment that there's a case for Lean D but he wants to wait and see what happens. Personally, what I've read sounds encouraging for Sinema and I think I'd rather be in her position at the moment, but again, we should get a clearer idea by tonight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 11/09/18 5:31:02 AM #467:	Thanks for the info! As far as Florida goes, from what I've read there's unlikely to be enough Nelson vote left if the theory that ~3.5% of people in one particular district left their Senate vote blank due to shitty ballot layout is correct, though it's Florida so who knows what other fuckups will be found on a recount. I think it's probably gonna remain Scott, though. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:912095277] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Thanks for the info! As far as Florida goes, from what I've read there's unlikely to be enough Nelson vote left if the theory that ~3.5% of people in one particular district left their Senate vote blank due to shitty ballot layout is correct, though it's Florida so who knows what other fuckups will be found on a recount. I think it's probably gonna remain Scott, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/09/18 5:48:54 AM #468:	Yeah, my interpretation of Florida is that if the blank vote thing is because of the ballot design in the FL-24/Broward intersection then the votes probably aren't there for Scott. If it's because of machine error as Nelson's lawyer is suggesting might be the case then there's a chance. I expect Florida to stay with Scott. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:912095561] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, my interpretation of Florida is that if the blank vote thing is because of the ballot design in the FL-24/Broward intersection then the votes probably aren't there for Scott. If it's because of machine error as Nelson's lawyer is suggesting might be the case then there's a chance. I expect Florida to stay with Scott.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 6:52:01 AM #469:	Suprak the Stud posted... r/the_donald is calling for civil war right now because they don't understand voting and think Montana, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Florida are being stolen from them. Some choice comments: "After they steal the Senate the (sic) will go after President. What will we do? Just comment on Reddit?" "What Can we do?! I feel totally helpless sitting in my house while our country is stolen by actual real life fascists. It's infuriating and I don't know what I can do!" "Lock and load is what you can do. Be glad you can still do that at least" "Wimpy ass move to sue for future rule. How about going there with tanks and stop this bulshit (sic) right now" "Fucking whack we should just let the Marines run shit after Trump's second term" "This kind of stuff is what's going to start an actual war, this open, blatant, and ignored fraud" "We elect people who don't get it done. Trump can't do it himself. Is martial law a solution?" "Yep. The Second Civil War has already begun." "This is a war for our country. No doubt this is only the tip of the iceberg given these last few elections." "Orlando Pede Here...this is complete Bullshit from the Cowards from Broward. We are livid. Some Democrat Assholes actually called us tonight and started off with.."As you know many people didn't get the opportunity to vote in the primaries...did you vote?" Once. said your damn straight we voted, they hung up IMMEDIATELY...They are looking to add names to fake ballots in Florida. Cot damn I'm pissed." "Put a small army of US Marshalls n a jet to Fort Lauderdale RIGHT FUCKING NOW! This is a civil rights matter. Broward Zdems are stealing the voting rights of millions of Floridians!" "Fuck all democrats. No more playing nice with these pieces of shit." "Gloves are off. I'm getting in shape through these winder months, preparing for their shit next spring." "Haha I have been hitting the gym 5 days a week in preparation of running into that soy boy that wants to run his mouth or pull a sneak sucker punch." "We should split the US at this point" "I WOULD RATHER FIGHT THEM FOR IT" "Nope. They can either learn to live with us or we can learn to CRUSH THEIR CORRUPTION" Those are just the violent ones. There are many more advocating arresting big democratic figures to teach them a lesson. None of them know how Arizona's system works. They all think these are votes the democrats found. They don't understand why it takes so long even though Arizona was very good about explaining everything. They don't care. They just hate democrats so much that they must be at fault and corrupt and bad things need to happen to them. It is scary over there. More so than usual. Something is bubbling up and I hope it is just bluster. No different than ResetERA calling for assassinations. Extremists will be extremists. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912096760] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>r/the_donald is calling for civil war right now because they don't understand voting and think Montana, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Florida are being stolen from them. Some choice comments: "After they steal the Senate the (sic) will go after President. What will we do? Just comment on Reddit?" "What Can we do?! I feel totally helpless sitting in my house while our country is stolen by actual real life fascists. It's infuriating and I don't know what I can do!" "Lock and load is what you can do. Be glad you can still do that at least" "Wimpy ass move to sue for future rule. How about going there with tanks and stop this bulshit (sic) right now" "Fucking whack we should just let the Marines run shit after Trump's second term" "This kind of stuff is what's going to start an actual war, this open, blatant, and ignored fraud" "We elect people who don't get it done. Trump can't do it himself. Is martial law a solution?" "Yep. The Second Civil War has already begun." "This is a war for our country. No doubt this is only the tip of the iceberg given these last few elections." "Orlando Pede Here...this is complete Bullshit from the Cowards from Broward. We are livid. Some Democrat Assholes actually called us tonight and started off with.."As you know many people didn't get the opportunity to vote in the primaries...did you vote?" Once. said your damn straight we voted, they hung up IMMEDIATELY...They are looking to add names to fake ballots in Florida. Cot damn I'm pissed." "Put a small army of US Marshalls n a jet to Fort Lauderdale RIGHT FUCKING NOW! This is a civil rights matter. Broward Zdems are stealing the voting rights of millions of Floridians!" "Fuck all democrats. No more playing nice with these pieces of shit." "Gloves are off. I'm getting in shape through these winder months, preparing for their shit next spring." "Haha I have been hitting the gym 5 days a week in preparation of running into that soy boy that wants to run his mouth or pull a sneak sucker punch." "We should split the US at this point" "I WOULD RATHER FIGHT THEM FOR IT" "Nope. They can either learn to live with us or we can learn to CRUSH THEIR CORRUPTION" Those are just the violent ones. There are many more advocating arresting big democratic figures to teach them a lesson. None of them know how Arizona's system works. They all think these are votes the democrats found. They don't understand why it takes so long even though Arizona was very good about explaining everything. They don't care. They just hate democrats so much that they must be at fault and corrupt and bad things need to happen to them. It is scary over there. More so than usual. Something is bubbling up and I hope it is just bluster.</quote> No different than ResetERA calling for assassinations. Extremists will be extremists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 6:57:50 AM #470:	Paratroopa1 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... Legitimate question here, and I don't mean to be snarky so please don't take it that way. Do any of you have republican friends? Not really. Ed barely counts nowadays. I have... probably 5 really major circles of friends, 1 that's offline, 2 that are online and 2 that are hybrids (you guys are one of the hybrids) and in all of them I'm pretty much free to trash republicans and their policies openly. I didn't really know with one of my groups until recently where we started opening up about politics and it turned out that yes, all of us were your standard liberal types. I don't know where I'd meet republican friends. Honestly, and I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but being a republican in 2018 would represent such a stark divide in personal beliefs and philosophy that I don't think it would be possible to remain friends with someone who identified strongly as a republican even if I wanted to. I don't think it would be very likely that we would ever have anything in common. And although my friends groups are all completely unrelated to politics, everyone's just... liberal as a baseline. Political differences exist, but none that would lead someone to identify as republican or any sort of right-wing. I live in a pretty blue city and associate in circles that draw blue people, for whatever reason that may be. It actually makes it really hard to understand where republican ideas even come from, because literally everyone in my life is not a part of that group, aside from those that occasionally show up in the periphery of my vision here. Progressive ideals are just completely bog-standard in every facet of my life, they make sense to everyone and while the exact implementation of them differs nobody really disagrees on baseline things like "the environment needs to be protected" or "LGBT people are cool" or "we really need to do stuff to help poor and disadvantaged people." The fact that 100% of the people in my life are like this makes it very difficult to live in a country run by people who are NOT like this, and equally as confusing. Most people don't act like different human beings based on their politics. If you base your life around politics, you likely are in too deep. Politics is just your opinions regarding government and society. It doesn't make you not another human being. There are great people and terrible people no matter what your politics are. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912096877] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Legitimate question here, and I don't mean to be snarky so please don't take it that way. Do any of you have republican friends?</quote> Not really. Ed barely counts nowadays. I have... probably 5 really major circles of friends, 1 that's offline, 2 that are online and 2 that are hybrids (you guys are one of the hybrids) and in all of them I'm pretty much free to trash republicans and their policies openly. I didn't really know with one of my groups until recently where we started opening up about politics and it turned out that yes, all of us were your standard liberal types. I don't know where I'd meet republican friends. Honestly, and I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but being a republican in 2018 would represent such a stark divide in personal beliefs and philosophy that I don't think it would be possible to remain friends with someone who identified strongly as a republican even if I wanted to. I don't think it would be very likely that we would ever have anything in common. And although my friends groups are all completely unrelated to politics, everyone's just... liberal as a baseline. Political differences exist, but none that would lead someone to identify as republican or any sort of right-wing. I live in a pretty blue city and associate in circles that draw blue people, for whatever reason that may be. It actually makes it really hard to understand where republican ideas even come from, because literally everyone in my life is not a part of that group, aside from those that occasionally show up in the periphery of my vision here. Progressive ideals are just completely bog-standard in every facet of my life, they make sense to everyone and while the exact implementation of them differs nobody really disagrees on baseline things like "the environment needs to be protected" or "LGBT people are cool" or "we really need to do stuff to help poor and disadvantaged people." The fact that 100% of the people in my life are like this makes it very difficult to live in a country run by people who are NOT like this, and equally as confusing.</quote> Most people don't act like different human beings based on their politics. If you base your life around politics, you likely are in too deep. Politics is just your opinions regarding government and society. It doesn't make you not another human being. There are great people and terrible people no matter what your politics are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 7:00:14 AM #471:	Paratroopa1 posted... Jakyl25 posted... LapisLazuli posted... I legitimately don't know where you would go to find young Republicans other than an organized meeting. Where do they go? What do they do? So many distasteful jokes spring to mind I have an answer that from me is both honest and also a bit mean, which is "not college." I think all of my friends are college educated and I never personally met anyone in college with politics I would describe as even remotely right-leaning, although it's certainly possible that I didn't pry hard enough on all of them. I dunno if things would be different if I hung out in different circles. You live in a massively liberal area, so it isn't too unexpected. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912096920] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>I legitimately don't know where you would go to find young Republicans other than an organized meeting. Where do they go? What do they do?</quote> So many distasteful jokes spring to mind</quote> I have an answer that from me is both honest and also a bit mean, which is "not college." I think all of my friends are college educated and I never personally met anyone in college with politics I would describe as even remotely right-leaning, although it's certainly possible that I didn't pry hard enough on all of them. I dunno if things would be different if I hung out in different circles.</quote> You live in a massively liberal area, so it isn't too unexpected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 7:01:05 AM #472:	pxlated posted... Also yeah the supreme court stealing the 2000 election is definitely in the running for most devastating event in recent american history Been confirmed Bush would have won regardless of intervention because he had more votes after all was said and done. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912096937] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>Also yeah the supreme court stealing the 2000 election is definitely in the running for most devastating event in recent american history</quote> Been confirmed Bush would have won regardless of intervention because he had more votes after all was said and done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GildedFool 11/09/18 9:10:13 AM #473:	Jakyl25 posted... Are they just gonna pretend the vote never happened? Or are they still going to be in the EU 100 years from hashing out the details on how to follow a referendum that no one alive actually voted on Which honestly sounds like a very English thing to do We're going to have another referendum and change our mind. Also, in case it was missed, the Brexit Secretary said this week he was previously unaware how important UK trade with France was. "We want a bespoke arrangement in goods which recognises the peculiar, frankly, geographic, economic entity that is the United Kingdom. We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing." Translation: I didn't realise as an island, our trade with our nearest neighbour mattered. --- https://imgur.com/wNH45zS <cite>GildedFool posted [p:912100126] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Are they just gonna pretend the vote never happened? Or are they still going to be in the EU 100 years from hashing out the details on how to follow a referendum that no one alive actually voted on Which honestly sounds like a very English thing to do</quote> We're going to have another referendum and change our mind. Also, in case it was missed, the Brexit Secretary said this week he was previously unaware how important UK trade with France was. "We want a bespoke arrangement in goods which recognises the peculiar, frankly, geographic, economic entity that is the United Kingdom. We are, and I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and if you look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing." Translation: I didn't realise as an island, our trade with our nearest neighbour mattered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 11/09/18 9:11:24 AM #474:	Suprak the Stud posted... Legitimate question here, and I don't mean to be snarky so please don't take it that way. Do any of you have republican friends? Most of my college friends were Republican and were reasonable people, which is why I sometimes get up-in-arms about characterizations of all Republicans. That being said I have no idea what their views are during the Trump era and have actively avoided discussing it with the few I'm still in contact with. Most of my mom's family was Republican for a long time. The majority of those are deeply opposed to Trump, though one branch has gone completely on board with Trump. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:912100162] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Legitimate question here, and I don't mean to be snarky so please don't take it that way. Do any of you have republican friends?</quote> Most of my college friends were Republican and were reasonable people, which is why I sometimes get up-in-arms about characterizations of all Republicans. That being said I have no idea what their views are during the Trump era and have actively avoided discussing it with the few I'm still in contact with. Most of my mom's family was Republican for a long time. The majority of those are deeply opposed to Trump, though one branch has gone completely on board with Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/09/18 9:24:09 AM #475:	Suprak the Stud posted... Legitimate question here, and I don't mean to be snarky so please don't take it that way. Do any of you have republican friends? I once had a bunch of republican friends and of course my brothers. I fell out with some of those while the bulk of my Republican friends have been on a similar path as myself - only really conservative intellectually to begin with so as politics has become less and less about things like economic policy and the ethics of things like stem cell research and euthanasia and more about like hating brown people and the gays they have been trending moderate like me. A couple of them voted for Trump because they just couldn't vote for Hillary but none were ever fans of his. They also thought Hillary was a lock and just wanted to put a dent in her margin of victory so she wouldn't have a mandate. It was really the embrace of Trump and protectionism by the GOP over the last 2 years that drove the last holdouts to drop their (R)s . So other than my brothers and one guy who plays starfinder with me, no. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:912100575] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Legitimate question here, and I don't mean to be snarky so please don't take it that way. Do any of you have republican friends?</quote> I once had a bunch of republican friends and of course my brothers. I fell out with some of those while the bulk of my Republican friends have been on a similar path as myself - only really conservative intellectually to begin with so as politics has become less and less about things like economic policy and the ethics of things like stem cell research and euthanasia and more about like hating brown people and the gays they have been trending moderate like me. A couple of them voted for Trump because they just couldn't vote for Hillary but none were ever fans of his. They also thought Hillary was a lock and just wanted to put a dent in her margin of victory so she wouldn't have a mandate. It was really the embrace of Trump and protectionism by the GOP over the last 2 years that drove the last holdouts to drop their (R)s . So other than my brothers and one guy who plays starfinder with me, no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/09/18 9:47:24 AM #477:	TheRock1525 posted... My general feelings is I can friendly with a Trump supporter. I just can't be friends with one. Yeah. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:912101441] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>My general feelings is I can friendly with a Trump supporter. I just can't be friends with one.</quote> Yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerfectChaosZ 11/09/18 9:51:22 AM #478:	It's hard to stay friends with someone when your favorite color is blue and their favorite color is imprisoning young kids and separating them from their family. <cite>PerfectChaosZ posted [p:912101601] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>It's hard to stay friends with someone when your favorite color is blue and their favorite color is imprisoning young kids and separating them from their family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 11/09/18 10:14:24 AM #479:	Paratroopa1 posted... Jakyl25 posted... LapisLazuli posted... I legitimately don't know where you would go to find young Republicans other than an organized meeting. Where do they go? What do they do? So many distasteful jokes spring to mind I have an answer that from me is both honest and also a bit mean, which is "not college." I think all of my friends are college educated and I never personally met anyone in college with politics I would describe as even remotely right-leaning, although it's certainly possible that I didn't pry hard enough on all of them. I dunno if things would be different if I hung out in different circles. I definitely met people in college who leaned right, specifically in grad school. (Someone I knew in the Math department at McGill who felt Bush was a better president than Clinton--this was 2002-2003. Similarly, a grad student in a Princeton PhD program who had similar opinions sometime around 2005 or 2006). They had reasonable arguments too. "Clinton had a surplus and a booming economy just because he was riding the 90s internet bubble, but that wasn't because of him, and he didn't actually accomplish that much legislatively." At this point I kind-of agree with that line of argument, although I will note it wasn't for lack of trying early on--the healthcare bill that Bill & Hillary tried to push early in Bill's presidency was actually a pretty cool bill from what I understand. There was just big public backlash, and some strategists told Bill that if he wanted to get re-elected he needed to shift way to the right and Hillary needed to bake cookies (and that's what they did). Granted, this was over a decade ago, and a lot has happened since then. It's entirely possible that neither of the people I met who were in grad school back then are thrilled about Trump now, or even happy about the whole birther/tea party movement under Obama. (Although I imagine they would have voted for McCain and Romney, but after that I really am not sure). --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:912102530] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>I legitimately don't know where you would go to find young Republicans other than an organized meeting. Where do they go? What do they do?</quote> So many distasteful jokes spring to mind</quote> I have an answer that from me is both honest and also a bit mean, which is "not college." I think all of my friends are college educated and I never personally met anyone in college with politics I would describe as even remotely right-leaning, although it's certainly possible that I didn't pry hard enough on all of them. I dunno if things would be different if I hung out in different circles.</quote> I definitely met people in college who leaned right, specifically in grad school. (Someone I knew in the Math department at McGill who felt Bush was a better president than Clinton--this was 2002-2003. Similarly, a grad student in a Princeton PhD program who had similar opinions sometime around 2005 or 2006). They had reasonable arguments too. "Clinton had a surplus and a booming economy just because he was riding the 90s internet bubble, but that wasn't because of him, and he didn't actually accomplish that much legislatively." At this point I kind-of agree with that line of argument, although I will note it wasn't for lack of trying early on--the healthcare bill that Bill & Hillary tried to push early in Bill's presidency was actually a pretty cool bill from what I understand. There was just big public backlash, and some strategists told Bill that if he wanted to get re-elected he needed to shift way to the right and Hillary needed to bake cookies (and that's what they did). Granted, this was over a decade ago, and a lot has happened since then. It's entirely possible that neither of the people I met who were in grad school back then are thrilled about Trump now, or even happy about the whole birther/tea party movement under Obama. (Although I imagine they would have voted for McCain and Romney, but after that I really am not sure).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 11/09/18 10:27:56 AM #480:	Corrik posted... pxlated posted... Also yeah the supreme court stealing the 2000 election is definitely in the running for most devastating event in recent american history Been confirmed Bush would have won regardless of intervention because he had more votes after all was said and done. This is a decent roundup of studies done: https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html The short version is that Gore was only asking for a specific type of error to be hand counted, and that specific error alone was not enough to push him over, so the supreme court stopping that count did not affect the end result. However, various studies have been done counting a number of different errors, such as multiple presidents selected (e.g. people who punched Nader and then punched Gore--which is relevant as there was a county where apparently that was confusing). If you count those, then Gore is actually ahead in the state, because a lot more people punched Nader Gore than punched Nader Bush. (This also matches exit polling, which put Gore ahead, so it's not surprising). Again, Gore did NOT ask to count those, so the supreme court decision did not end up mattering. The supreme court decision was still pretty awful. 5-4 decision split exactly along party lines. Like...really, supreme court, you can't come to a decision on whether or not recounts are constitutional and everyone is just going to rule with their party? Are you fucking kidding me? Also, ruling against a recount just left a lot of people feeling like the election was stolen; they could have let the limited recount finish, and as shown Bush would have won that anyway, and people would be a lot less angry. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:912103044] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote>Also yeah the supreme court stealing the 2000 election is definitely in the running for most devastating event in recent american history</quote> Been confirmed Bush would have won regardless of intervention because he had more votes after all was said and done.</quote> This is a decent roundup of studies done: https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html The short version is that Gore was only asking for a specific type of error to be hand counted, and that specific error alone was not enough to push him over, so the supreme court stopping that count did not affect the end result. However, various studies have been done counting a number of different errors, such as multiple presidents selected (e.g. people who punched Nader and then punched Gore--which is relevant as there was a county where apparently that was confusing). If you count those, then Gore is actually ahead in the state, because a lot more people punched Nader Gore than punched Nader Bush. (This also matches exit polling, which put Gore ahead, so it's not surprising). Again, Gore did NOT ask to count those, so the supreme court decision did not end up mattering. The supreme court decision was still pretty awful. 5-4 decision split exactly along party lines. Like...really, supreme court, you can't come to a decision on whether or not recounts are constitutional and everyone is just going to rule with their party? Are you fucking kidding me? Also, ruling against a recount just left a lot of people feeling like the election was stolen; they could have let the limited recount finish, and as shown Bush would have won that anyway, and people would be a lot less angry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 11/09/18 10:41:14 AM #481:	I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:912103639] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 10:56:48 AM #482:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why. If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912104346] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why.</quote> If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 11/09/18 11:07:53 AM #483:	Corrik, youve made several posts in the past few topics decrying far right extremists (Ulti for example) and claiming its bad for liberals to lump all Republicans under that umbrella. Yet, the current president and his administration are literally posting doctored video footage, created and propagated by those far right extremists, to attack and libel an American citizen. Like, I know you love to spout the talking point of liberals think everyone right of them is a far right extremist, but at what point do Republicans have to take responsibility when the leader of their party is literally behaving in a manner indistinguishable from people you openly admit are far right extremists? --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:912104843] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Corrik, youve made several posts in the past few topics decrying far right extremists (Ulti for example) and claiming its bad for liberals to lump all Republicans under that umbrella. Yet, the current president and his administration are literally posting doctored video footage, created and propagated by those far right extremists, to attack and libel an American citizen. Like, I know you love to spout the talking point of liberals think everyone right of them is a far right extremist, but at what point do Republicans have to take responsibility when the leader of their party is literally behaving in a manner indistinguishable from people you openly admit are far right extremists?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/09/18 11:09:17 AM #484:	Rasmussen had Republicans +1 on the generic ballot and are now arguing that they were right. "bUt ThEy GoT 2016 rIgHt!" --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:912104901] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Rasmussen had Republicans +1 on the generic ballot and are now arguing that they were right. "bUt ThEy GoT 2016 rIgHt!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 11/09/18 11:10:35 AM #485:	I live in a pretty conservative area of California (more conservative than the nation on average) and even then it seems like there aren't many republicans around, at least ones roughly my age (20s-30s). The typical young conservative won't call themselves a Republican ~~because of the implication~~; they'll say they're non-political, a non-voter, a centrist/independent, a libertarian, or a "fiscal conservative" (and I'm friends with a good number of people like that). But Republican social policies are poisonous among people in that age group. And honestly it's pretty fuckin obvious why. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:912104963] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I live in a pretty conservative area of California (more conservative than the nation on average) and even then it seems like there aren't many republicans around, at least ones roughly my age (20s-30s). The typical young conservative won't call themselves a Republican because of the implication; they'll say they're non-political, a non-voter, a centrist/independent, a libertarian, or a "fiscal conservative" (and I'm friends with a good number of people like that). But Republican social policies are poisonous among people in that age group. And honestly it's pretty fuckin obvious why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/09/18 11:11:53 AM #486:	Because of the fall in line nature of the Republican party, the average Republican position on the spectrum has to, by default, line up with the in office Republican president. You can talk about extremist not representing the right all you want, but as long as Trump is in office the vast majority of the party will be in line with Trump. Unless you wanna start acting like Trump isn't an extremist, in which case there's no hope here. --- https://i.imgur.com/WuDQzsc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:912105022] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>Because of the fall in line nature of the Republican party, the average Republican position on the spectrum has to, by default, line up with the in office Republican president. You can talk about extremist not representing the right all you want, but as long as Trump is in office the vast majority of the party will be in line with Trump. Unless you wanna start acting like Trump isn't an extremist, in which case there's no hope here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/09/18 11:12:13 AM #487:	Corrik posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why. If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem. I had a friend who posted something leading up to the election that if you are voting for that bitch Clinton just unfriend me she wants to see cops dead or something along those lines. I posted I am voting for Clinton and I hope you dont think I want you dead. Unfriended. Blocked. We werent best friends but we hung out occasionally and knew each other since high school. It isnt unreasonable to assume Tony encountered something similar where he wasnt the antagonist. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:912105035] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why.</quote> If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem.</quote> I had a friend who posted something leading up to the election that if you are voting for that bitch Clinton just unfriend me she wants to see cops dead or something along those lines. I posted I am voting for Clinton and I hope you dont think I want you dead. Unfriended. Blocked. We werent best friends but we hung out occasionally and knew each other since high school. It isnt unreasonable to assume Tony encountered something similar where he wasnt the antagonist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/09/18 11:13:02 AM #488:	TheRock1525 posted... Rasmussen had Republicans +1 on the generic ballot and are now arguing that they were right. "bUt ThEy GoT 2016 rIgHt!" Only off by ten points! Being outside the margin of error to own the libs. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:912105066] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Rasmussen had Republicans +1 on the generic ballot and are now arguing that they were right. "bUt ThEy GoT 2016 rIgHt!"</quote> Only off by ten points! Being outside the margin of error to own the libs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 11:15:01 AM #489:	Suprak the Stud posted... Corrik posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why. If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem. I had a friend who posted something leading up to the election that if you are voting for that bitch Clinton just unfriend me she wants to see cops dead or something along those lines. I posted I am voting for Clinton and I hope you dont think I want you dead. Unfriended. Blocked. We werent best friends but we hung out occasionally and knew each other since high school. It isnt unreasonable to assume Tony encountered something similar where he wasnt the antagonist. I acknowledged the right equivalent as a possibility, silly. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912105157] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why.</quote> If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem.</quote> I had a friend who posted something leading up to the election that if you are voting for that bitch Clinton just unfriend me she wants to see cops dead or something along those lines. I posted I am voting for Clinton and I hope you dont think I want you dead. Unfriended. Blocked. We werent best friends but we hung out occasionally and knew each other since high school. It isnt unreasonable to assume Tony encountered something similar where he wasnt the antagonist.</quote> I acknowledged the right equivalent as a possibility, silly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/09/18 11:15:33 AM #490:	Kenri posted... I live in a pretty conservative area of California (more conservative than the nation on average) and even then it seems like there aren't many republicans around, at least ones roughly my age (20s-30s). The typical conservative won't call themselves that, they'll say they're non-political, a non-voter, a centrist/independent, a libertarian, or a "fiscal conservative" (and I'm friends with a good number of people like that). But Republican social policies are poisonous among people in that age group. And honestly it's pretty fuckin obvious why. Yeah thats a good point. Like I said, I know mostly suburban republicans or economic republicans who actually arent big on social issues. Theyll be pro gay marriage, pro legal weed, ambivalent at best on abortion. But if you point that out they go well yeah but Democrats do this and x y and z are more important. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:912105188] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>I live in a pretty conservative area of California (more conservative than the nation on average) and even then it seems like there aren't many republicans around, at least ones roughly my age (20s-30s). The typical conservative won't call themselves that, they'll say they're non-political, a non-voter, a centrist/independent, a libertarian, or a "fiscal conservative" (and I'm friends with a good number of people like that). But Republican social policies are poisonous among people in that age group. And honestly it's pretty fuckin obvious why.</quote> Yeah thats a good point. Like I said, I know mostly suburban republicans or economic republicans who actually arent big on social issues. Theyll be pro gay marriage, pro legal weed, ambivalent at best on abortion. But if you point that out they go well yeah but Democrats do this and x y and z are more important.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/09/18 11:19:01 AM #491:	Espeon posted... Corrik, youve made several posts in the past few topics decrying far right extremists (Ulti for example) and claiming its bad for liberals to lump all Republicans under that umbrella. Yet, the current president and his administration are literally posting doctored video footage, created and propagated by those far right extremists, to attack and libel an American citizen. Like, I know you love to spout the talking point of liberals think everyone right of them is a far right extremist, but at what point do Republicans have to take responsibility when the leader of their party is literally behaving in a manner indistinguishable from people you openly admit are far right extremists? Don't have to agree with everything a president does. I denounced people on neogaf who were saying he karate chopped the aide and Ulti as well for it here. I don't think someone is Alt-Right for believing the video or for posting it if they saw it. But, it is clearly false and a stupid stance to take. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:912105346] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, youve made several posts in the past few topics decrying far right extremists (Ulti for example) and claiming its bad for liberals to lump all Republicans under that umbrella. Yet, the current president and his administration are literally posting doctored video footage, created and propagated by those far right extremists, to attack and libel an American citizen. Like, I know you love to spout the talking point of liberals think everyone right of them is a far right extremist, but at what point do Republicans have to take responsibility when the leader of their party is literally behaving in a manner indistinguishable from people you openly admit are far right extremists?</quote> Don't have to agree with everything a president does. I denounced people on neogaf who were saying he karate chopped the aide and Ulti as well for it here. I don't think someone is Alt-Right for believing the video or for posting it if they saw it. But, it is clearly false and a stupid stance to take.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 11/09/18 11:22:30 AM #492:	The fact the administration is willing to post doctored footage and push a narrative based on it when there's no way that they don't know it's doctored is actually rather unsettling --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:912105505] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>The fact the administration is willing to post doctored footage and push a narrative based on it when there's no way that they don't know it's doctored is actually rather unsettling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 11/09/18 11:23:21 AM #493:	Suprak the Stud posted... Yeah thats a good point. Like I said, I know mostly suburban republicans or economic republicans who actually arent big on social issues. Theyll be pro gay marriage, pro legal weed, ambivalent at best on abortion. But if you point that out they go well yeah but Democrats do this and x y and z are more important. I know (and work with) several of these types. They're pretty evenly split between "well my family has always voted Republican and that's how I was raised" (I have heard no fewer than six different people in my office say this exact sentence. And I don't work in that big of a company) and people that totally buy into the immigration and taxes scaremongering. <cite>Reg posted [p:912105539] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah thats a good point. Like I said, I know mostly suburban republicans or economic republicans who actually arent big on social issues. Theyll be pro gay marriage, pro legal weed, ambivalent at best on abortion. But if you point that out they go well yeah but Democrats do this and x y and z are more important.</quote> I know (and work with) several of these types. They're pretty evenly split between "well my family has always voted Republican and that's how I was raised" (I have heard no fewer than six different people in my office say this exact sentence. And I don't work in that big of a company) and people that totally buy into the immigration and taxes scaremongering.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/09/18 11:28:30 AM #494:	Corrik posted... doesn't go well to normal people. Oh no --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:912105762] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>doesn't go well to normal people.</quote> Oh no</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shaduln 11/09/18 11:29:31 AM #495:	I had at times considered myself Republican or Libertarian because I think tax money should be used more effectively but I realized that everyone thinks that and I was just buying into the line. --- Emperor of Board 8 Posted using GameFlux <cite>Shaduln posted [p:912105803] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I had at times considered myself Republican or Libertarian because I think tax money should be used more effectively but I realized that everyone thinks that and I was just buying into the line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 11/09/18 11:31:54 AM #496:	Corrik posted... Suprak the Stud posted... Corrik posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why. If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem. I had a friend who posted something leading up to the election that if you are voting for that bitch Clinton just unfriend me she wants to see cops dead or something along those lines. I posted I am voting for Clinton and I hope you dont think I want you dead. Unfriended. Blocked. We werent best friends but we hung out occasionally and knew each other since high school. It isnt unreasonable to assume Tony encountered something similar where he wasnt the antagonist. I acknowledged the right equivalent as a possibility, silly. Yeah I never called anyone evil, and I keep most of my political shitposting to Right Wing Facebook groups now, so I dunno. It really bums me out though, literally one of my best friends voted for Trump because accerationist, and were still friends. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:912105912] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>I used to have a lot of Republican friends, but most of them removed me on Facebook. One of my best best friends while I was in the Air Force, who was a Libertarian, straight up blocked me, and I have no idea why.</quote> If you guys say shit like you do in here on Facebook, it is not surprising. Calling people evil and fucking morons and shit doesn't go well to normal people. If you don't do that outside of here, then it is possible they are just the right equivalent to the behavior seen in here which is their problem.</quote> I had a friend who posted something leading up to the election that if you are voting for that bitch Clinton just unfriend me she wants to see cops dead or something along those lines. I posted I am voting for Clinton and I hope you dont think I want you dead. Unfriended. Blocked. We werent best friends but we hung out occasionally and knew each other since high school. It isnt unreasonable to assume Tony encountered something similar where he wasnt the antagonist.</quote> I acknowledged the right equivalent as a possibility, silly.</quote> Yeah I never called anyone evil, and I keep most of my political shitposting to Right Wing Facebook groups now, so I dunno. It really bums me out though, literally one of my best friends voted for Trump because accerationist, and were still friends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/09/18 11:40:15 AM #497:	I mean, I used to be receptive to the argument of, "Well, I/they're only voting Republican for economics, I/they don't agree with those social policies..." but at this point with things like family separation continuing to vote Republican is condoning those policies by supporting the party that has implemented them. You can blame the FPTP system for annihilating shades of nuance from our system and limiting your effective choice to Democrats and Republicans instead of a more robust number of parties that might cover this "I like Republican economics but I hate their social policies!" position, but that's not what we have and that's not what that vote is conveying in this era. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:912106311] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I used to be receptive to the argument of, "Well, I/they're only voting Republican for economics, I/they don't agree with those social policies..." but at this point with things like family separation continuing to vote Republican is condoning those policies by supporting the party that has implemented them. You can blame the FPTP system for annihilating shades of nuance from our system and limiting your effective choice to Democrats and Republicans instead of a more robust number of parties that might cover this "I like Republican economics but I hate their social policies!" position, but that's not what we have and that's not what that vote is conveying in this era.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 11/09/18 11:41:34 AM #498:	It's not the time for it given Trump, but I've been thinking and going forward the democratic message should be something along the lines of "Together, we are invincible". Studies have shown that right wing political leaning is linked to the strength of fear and disgust reactions. People who picture themselves as physically invulnerable before a survey lean further left than normal for that survey, regardless of their initial leanings, than people who don't. If you want to convert people leftward you need to try to make them feel safe, regardless of any other factors. I think the Trump administration has shown that pointing to how bad things are, pointing to how disgusting things are, does not fire up the left and the right see it as an attack and retreat further rightward. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:912106380] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>It's not the time for it given Trump, but I've been thinking and going forward the democratic message should be something along the lines of "Together, we are invincible". Studies have shown that right wing political leaning is linked to the strength of fear and disgust reactions. People who picture themselves as physically invulnerable before a survey lean further left than normal for that survey, regardless of their initial leanings, than people who don't. If you want to convert people leftward you need to try to make them feel safe, regardless of any other factors. I think the Trump administration has shown that pointing to how bad things are, pointing to how disgusting things are, does not fire up the left and the right see it as an attack and retreat further rightward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 11/09/18 11:42:27 AM #499:	As for the conservative friends question, I know people from all over the Canadian political spectrum, but I'm pretty certain none of them support Trump for whatever that's worth. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:912106425] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote>As for the conservative friends question, I know people from all over the Canadian political spectrum, but I'm pretty certain none of them support Trump for whatever that's worth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StartTheMachine 11/09/18 11:49:06 AM #500:	Jakyl25 posted... LapisLazuli posted... Corrik please get that Trump dick out of your mouth. For the record, I disavow homophobic insults such as this can I just say that sometimes jakyl low-key makes the worst posts in these topics --- - Blur - Welcome to your Divinity. <cite>StartTheMachine posted [p:912106766] in Politics C... [t:77181966]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik please get that Trump dick out of your mouth.</quote> For the record, I disavow homophobic insults such as this</quote> can I just say that sometimes jakyl low-key makes the worst posts in these topics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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