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OctilIery 11/15/18 12:17:34 AM #51:	gunplagirl posted... OctilIery posted... gunplagirl posted... OctilIery posted... gunplagirl posted... This is from 2014 And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity. That same "unfair advantage" bull shit has been brought up when pointing out how most professional athletes in football, basketball, and races (especially endurance ones) are black. And yes, there's differences in bone and muscle density between races, there's this entire specialized field called "forensic anthropology" and that's one of the biggest things you learn in that field. So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. You're probably not even pro-lgb. But surely you know more than the god damned medical and scientific people who ultimately established the guidelines for Olympic participants. And the guidelines Fallon is participating under are stricter than the Olympic ones. ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community. I'm not saying a blanket ban on all transgender contestants needs to happen, but it DOES need to be considered, as there is little difference between letting many biological women participate, and letting men participate. If you ever say "I'm pro (anything) BUT" then guess what that means? The but means you've got some nitpicking exception and that exception means no, you're not actually pro-T. You're ignoring the much more immediate effects of hormones and to even compete a trans athlete needs to have been on them for 2 years. In the case of fallon it was also required she be post GCS. You said stuff about it being the accepted medical community concensus but you ignored everything that actually makes those meaningful differences between them. And yes, those differenced do go away after being on hormones, trans athletes actually have to test at lower t levels than a large amount of cis women can naturally get to throughout the ovulation cycle. As a result of those low t levels it's harder to maintain muscle mass than it is for cis women. Bone density being used as an excuse is also a common argument used against black athletes. So no, you're not pro LGBT if you want to use outdated or false evidence to verify throwing the T under the bus. Maybe try listening to trans people instead of saying you know better and you might actually be on your way to being pro T. Sorry, but no, all evidence suggests that the physical advantage still remains. They do not lose the advantage of hormones. And I listen to trans people constantly. I'm friends with several, I support and defend them constantly. And guess what, most of them tend to agree with what I'm saying. You'd probably call me a misogynist because I support mens prisons being allowed to forbid women from working on the prison floor. Because you see something against a group and you assume it's because of hate for that group and never consider that it's actually a decision I thought about and weighed the evidence and arguments in. What you're asking for isn't support, it's blind worship. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912428946] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>This is from 2014 And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women</quote> Dude, I'm LGBT pro, but the simple fact is that, depending on when you transition, you can have Un unfair advantage in sporting events. It isn't hatred, it's an unfortunate necessity.</quote> That same "unfair advantage" bull shit has been brought up when pointing out how most professional athletes in football, basketball, and races (especially endurance ones) are black. And yes, there's differences in bone and muscle density between races, there's this entire specialized field called "forensic anthropology" and that's one of the biggest things you learn in that field. So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. You're probably not even pro-lgb. But surely you know more than the god damned medical and scientific people who ultimately established the guidelines for Olympic participants. And the guidelines Fallon is participating under are stricter than the Olympic ones.</quote> ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community. I'm not saying a blanket ban on all transgender contestants needs to happen, but it DOES need to be considered, as there is little difference between letting many biological women participate, and letting men participate.</quote> If you ever say "I'm pro (anything) BUT" then guess what that means? The but means you've got some nitpicking exception and that exception means no, you're not actually pro-T. You're ignoring the much more immediate effects of hormones and to even compete a trans athlete needs to have been on them for 2 years. In the case of fallon it was also required she be post GCS. You said stuff about it being the accepted medical community concensus but you ignored everything that actually makes those meaningful differences between them. And yes, those differenced do go away after being on hormones, trans athletes actually have to test at lower t levels than a large amount of cis women can naturally get to throughout the ovulation cycle. As a result of those low t levels it's harder to maintain muscle mass than it is for cis women. Bone density being used as an excuse is also a common argument used against black athletes. So no, you're not pro LGBT if you want to use outdated or false evidence to verify throwing the T under the bus. Maybe try listening to trans people instead of saying you know better and you might actually be on your way to being pro T.</quote> Sorry, but no, all evidence suggests that the physical advantage still remains. They do not lose the advantage of hormones. And I listen to trans people constantly. I'm friends with several, I support and defend them constantly. And guess what, most of them tend to agree with what I'm saying. You'd probably call me a misogynist because I support mens prisons being allowed to forbid women from working on the prison floor. Because you see something against a group and you assume it's because of hate for that group and never consider that it's actually a decision I thought about and weighed the evidence and arguments in. What you're asking for isn't support, it's blind worship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 12:18:33 AM #52:	gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works. Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this? That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it. <cite>nemu posted [p:912428975] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.</quote> Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?</quote> That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamestunner 11/15/18 12:19:12 AM #53:	If you were born with a dick, you need fight other dicks only. If you were born with a vagina you need fight other vaginas only. <cite>gamestunner posted [p:912429001] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>If you were born with a dick, you need fight other dicks only. If you were born with a vagina you need fight other vaginas only.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:19:41 AM #54:	Squall28 posted... OctilIery posted... Squall28 posted... How does it not matter? In any other species, the male provides the sperm, and impregnates the females eggs. It's a physical distinction. Your feelings don't decide your sex. Your physical body does. We aren't talking about sex. Look at my first post. Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard? Then you guys decided to mob me. Because you say stupid shit like this Squall28 posted... gunplagirl posted... Maybe try listening to trans people Should we listen to schizoprenic people when they say they hear voices? Should we tell them that despite there physically not being any sound that's even recordable, that there is indeed a sound? How are they the expert when their beliefs different from the facts? You are spouting nonsense. Comparing transgenderism to a mental illness that shows you aren't really just looking to keep things fair in sport, you have a blatant agenda behind your posts. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429024] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>How does it not matter? In any other species, the male provides the sperm, and impregnates the females eggs. It's a physical distinction. Your feelings don't decide your sex. Your physical body does.</quote> We aren't talking about sex.</quote> Look at my first post. Sports should be separated by sex not gender. Why is this so hard? Then you guys decided to mob me.</quote> Because you say stupid shit like this <cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe try listening to trans people</quote> Should we listen to schizoprenic people when they say they hear voices? Should we tell them that despite there physically not being any sound that's even recordable, that there is indeed a sound? How are they the expert when their beliefs different from the facts? You are spouting nonsense.</quote> Comparing transgenderism to a mental illness that shows you aren't really just looking to keep things fair in sport, you have a blatant agenda behind your posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/15/18 12:19:42 AM #55:	Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring." <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:912429026] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:20:12 AM #56:	gamestunner posted... If you were born with a dick, you need fight other dicks only. If you were born with a vagina you need fight other vaginas only. Tbqh, women should be able to do either. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429051] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamestunner posted...</cite> <quote>If you were born with a dick, you need fight other dicks only. If you were born with a vagina you need fight other vaginas only.</quote> Tbqh, women should be able to do either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 11/15/18 12:20:19 AM #57:	Negi needs to stick to talking about video games only because she knows nothing about anything else <cite>PBusted posted [p:912429057] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Negi needs to stick to talking about video games only because she knows nothing about anything else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 11/15/18 12:20:53 AM #58:	That was a terribly written article. I couldn't tell where the story breaks for a commercial insert. And it's a story about an event from 2014. Why is it being posted now? Without looking at the video, I'd be wondering why the referee didn't stop the fight before this turned out (and I'm not gonna watch it, I don't do gore even though I watch UFC casually). In any case, to the topic, Transgendered females shouldn't be in the same ring as females born naturally. Depending on when the transgender females start their hormonal treatment, puberty could have already underwent and give them a permanent advantage. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:912429083] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>That was a terribly written article. I couldn't tell where the story breaks for a commercial insert. And it's a story about an event from 2014. Why is it being posted now? Without looking at the video, I'd be wondering why the referee didn't stop the fight before this turned out (and I'm not gonna watch it, I don't do gore even though I watch UFC casually). In any case, to the topic, Transgendered females shouldn't be in the same ring as females born naturally. Depending on when the transgender females start their hormonal treatment, puberty could have already underwent and give them a permanent advantage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:21:13 AM #59:	DezDroppedFreak posted... Why are you the way you are @gunplagirl You literally chase everyone away that agrees on shit with you by acting like you have a stick up your ass about one nitpicking thing in their position. Its just fucking inflammatory behavior for no reason. Okay. Let's go with this. Somebody makes a bunch of jokes about you and they're actually really harmful. But they say it's all in good fun. They're laughing, you're not. You know those jokes are based off lies, and those same lies are used by people who actively advocate for you to be killed. So you tell the person who is making jokes about you "hey that's not funny, that's the same stuff that people who want me dead say" and what do you get told? "Oh well I support you." But that's the extent of their support. They say they do but when the opportunity to stand up against the people advocating for your death arises, they don't say a damn thing. And when they're told directly by you "hey please stop" they don't listen. Saying they support you doesn't mean a thing if there's zero actual effort made by them to support you. And if they're actively making those same arguments as the people who want you dead with debunked or outdated "science" then no they don't support you at all, they're actually the exact opposite of a supporter as they're continuously doing things that oppress you and ultimately maintain the status quo. It isn't "just one thing", it's the culmination of things that leads to them being called out as not actually being allies. The only ones being inflammatory are ones like squall, or yourself in a lesser capacity --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429098] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>DezDroppedFreak posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you the way you are @gunplagirl You literally chase everyone away that agrees on shit with you by acting like you have a stick up your ass about one nitpicking thing in their position. Its just fucking inflammatory behavior for no reason.</quote> Okay. Let's go with this. Somebody makes a bunch of jokes about you and they're actually really harmful. But they say it's all in good fun. They're laughing, you're not. You know those jokes are based off lies, and those same lies are used by people who actively advocate for you to be killed. So you tell the person who is making jokes about you "hey that's not funny, that's the same stuff that people who want me dead say" and what do you get told? "Oh well I support you." But that's the extent of their support. They say they do but when the opportunity to stand up against the people advocating for your death arises, they don't say a damn thing. And when they're told directly by you "hey please stop" they don't listen. Saying they support you doesn't mean a thing if there's zero actual effort made by them to support you. And if they're actively making those same arguments as the people who want you dead with debunked or outdated "science" then no they don't support you at all, they're actually the exact opposite of a supporter as they're continuously doing things that oppress you and ultimately maintain the status quo. It isn't "just one thing", it's the culmination of things that leads to them being called out as not actually being allies. The only ones being inflammatory are ones like squall, or yourself in a lesser capacity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:22:07 AM #60:	Dragonblade01 posted... Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring." Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429133] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring."</quote> Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:22:57 AM #61:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works. Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this? That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it. So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429164] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.</quote> Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?</quote> That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it.</quote> So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/15/18 12:26:20 AM #62:	OctilIery posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring." Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded. From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:912429265] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring."</quote> Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded.</quote> From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 11/15/18 12:26:51 AM #63:	I just dont feel thats really where octillery is coming from. Its coming from two different positions that, frankly, neither one has posted any source for the claims, however its more general knowledge that transgender athletes are under more scrutiny and have stricter regulations to compete. Unless either one of you have some sort of source from what youre both claiming as experts on this its just going to go back and forth. And as far as my post being inflammatory, fair. --- Beep bep <.< >.> <.< Hotness: https://imgtc.com/i/6SC3Wu5.jpg <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:912429283] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>I just dont feel thats really where octillery is coming from. Its coming from two different positions that, frankly, neither one has posted any source for the claims, however its more general knowledge that transgender athletes are under more scrutiny and have stricter regulations to compete. Unless either one of you have some sort of source from what youre both claiming as experts on this its just going to go back and forth. And as far as my post being inflammatory, fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:27:54 AM #64:	Dragonblade01 posted... OctilIery posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring." Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded. From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated. You have some citations? I admit I don't follow sports that much, so what you say is very possible, and I'd love to be educated :) <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429307] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring."</quote> Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded.</quote> From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated.</quote> You have some citations? I admit I don't follow sports that much, so what you say is very possible, and I'd love to be educated :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/15/18 12:28:21 AM #65:	OctilIery posted... Comparing transgenderism to a mental illness that shows you aren't really just looking to keep things fair in sport, you have a blatant agenda behind your posts. Oh yes, I do. I describe what is physically there. A circle is round. A square has four edges. A male has a y chromosome. Oh look at me stating facts. So offensive. The entire point of the separation between men and women in sports is because there is a clear physical difference between the sexes. What societal mold you feel like you belong in has nothing to do with it. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:912429328] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Comparing transgenderism to a mental illness that shows you aren't really just looking to keep things fair in sport, you have a blatant agenda behind your posts.</quote> Oh yes, I do. I describe what is physically there. A circle is round. A square has four edges. A male has a y chromosome. Oh look at me stating facts. So offensive. The entire point of the separation between men and women in sports is because there is a clear physical difference between the sexes. What societal mold you feel like you belong in has nothing to do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:28:46 AM #66:	OctilIery posted... Sorry, but no, all evidence suggests that the physical advantage still remains. They do not lose the advantage of hormones. And I listen to trans people constantly. I'm friends with several, I support and defend them constantly. And guess what, most of them tend to agree with what I'm saying. You'd probably call me a misogynist because I support mens prisons being allowed to forbid women from working on the prison floor. Because you see something against a group and you assume it's because of hate for that group and never consider that it's actually a decision I thought about and weighed the evidence and arguments in. What you're asking for isn't support, it's blind worship. Did you just "I have a black friend I can't be racist" me? And oh look, you're throwing words in my mouth. Women being banned from working the floor of male prisons. Okay let's look at that. Many prisoners are there for nonviolent crimes but the violent ones are usually against women, or at the very least the prisoner has a history of violence against women. That policy is to protect women from prisoners who have demonstrated that they have been and can be a credible threat against women. Which is to say, you just compared a trans woman in a consensual combat sport to women who work at prisons being assaulted by male prisoners. Do go on about that evidence that hormones as a kid impacting them as an adult after years of HRT, I'm sure you've got plenty of decades old studies on it oh wait. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429341] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry, but no, all evidence suggests that the physical advantage still remains. They do not lose the advantage of hormones. And I listen to trans people constantly. I'm friends with several, I support and defend them constantly. And guess what, most of them tend to agree with what I'm saying. You'd probably call me a misogynist because I support mens prisons being allowed to forbid women from working on the prison floor. Because you see something against a group and you assume it's because of hate for that group and never consider that it's actually a decision I thought about and weighed the evidence and arguments in. What you're asking for isn't support, it's blind worship.</quote> Did you just "I have a black friend I can't be racist" me? And oh look, you're throwing words in my mouth. Women being banned from working the floor of male prisons. Okay let's look at that. Many prisoners are there for nonviolent crimes but the violent ones are usually against women, or at the very least the prisoner has a history of violence against women. That policy is to protect women from prisoners who have demonstrated that they have been and can be a credible threat against women. Which is to say, you just compared a trans woman in a consensual combat sport to women who work at prisons being assaulted by male prisoners. Do go on about that evidence that hormones as a kid impacting them as an adult after years of HRT, I'm sure you've got plenty of decades old studies on it oh wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 12:28:50 AM #67:	gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works. Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this? That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it. So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away. <cite>nemu posted [p:912429342] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.</quote> Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?</quote> That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it.</quote> So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind</quote> It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:30:17 AM #68:	Squall28 posted... OctilIery posted... Comparing transgenderism to a mental illness that shows you aren't really just looking to keep things fair in sport, you have a blatant agenda behind your posts. Oh yes, I do. I describe what is physically there. A circle is round. A square has four edges. A male has a y chromosome. Oh look at me stating facts. So offensive. The entire point of the separation between men and women in sports is because there is a clear physical difference between the sexes. What societal mold you feel like you belong in has nothing to do with it. Except being transgender isn't a mental illness so your whole facts argument goes out the window. Oh, and did you also use the old "gender is a social construct" shtick? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429392] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Comparing transgenderism to a mental illness that shows you aren't really just looking to keep things fair in sport, you have a blatant agenda behind your posts.</quote> Oh yes, I do. I describe what is physically there. A circle is round. A square has four edges. A male has a y chromosome. Oh look at me stating facts. So offensive. The entire point of the separation between men and women in sports is because there is a clear physical difference between the sexes. What societal mold you feel like you belong in has nothing to do with it.</quote> Except being transgender isn't a mental illness so your whole facts argument goes out the window. Oh, and did you also use the old "gender is a social construct" shtick?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:31:31 AM #69:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works. Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this? That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it. So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away. You just spent all that time typing this and you still didn't post anything that's actually correct. Like, how you can be 0% right three posts in a row is mind boggling. Well, maybe it's not your mind that's being boggled. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429426] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.</quote> Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?</quote> That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it.</quote> So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind</quote> It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away.</quote> You just spent all that time typing this and you still didn't post anything that's actually correct. Like, how you can be 0% right three posts in a row is mind boggling. Well, maybe it's not your mind that's being boggled.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/18 12:32:24 AM #70:	OctilIery posted... ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community. This, even though the NBA and NFL disproportionately black doesn't mean there aren't white dudes who can dunk and run 4.3s (the Cowboys actually have two guys on their team who can). Women on the other hand... Yes I know there are women who can dunk, but not as easily and it's more stressful on their bodies. --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:912429457] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>ROFL. No. I'm pro LGBT, but I'm also pro fairness in sports. The differences between races are nowhere near the same as the differences between men and women, and those differences do not go away after transition. That is scientific fact supported by the medical community. </quote> This, even though the NBA and NFL disproportionately black doesn't mean there aren't white dudes who can dunk and run 4.3s (the Cowboys actually have two guys on their team who can). Women on the other hand... Yes I know there are women who can dunk, but not as easily and it's more stressful on their bodies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/15/18 12:32:41 AM #71:	OctilIery posted... Dragonblade01 posted... OctilIery posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring." Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded. From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated. You have some citations? I admit I don't follow sports that much, so what you say is very possible, and I'd love to be educated :) I'm posting while on break at the moment, but I'll @ you when I can find the relevant article. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:912429466] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring."</quote> Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded.</quote> From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated.</quote> You have some citations? I admit I don't follow sports that much, so what you say is very possible, and I'd love to be educated :)</quote> I'm posting while on break at the moment, but I'll @ you when I can find the relevant article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 12:33:29 AM #72:	gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works. Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this? That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it. So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away. You just spent all that time typing this and you still didn't post anything that's actually correct. Like, how you can be 0% right three posts in a row is mind boggling. Well, maybe it's not your mind that's being boggled. I'm sure you have a very realistic worldview. <cite>nemu posted [p:912429491] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.</quote> Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?</quote> That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it.</quote> So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind</quote> It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away.</quote> You just spent all that time typing this and you still didn't post anything that's actually correct. Like, how you can be 0% right three posts in a row is mind boggling. Well, maybe it's not your mind that's being boggled.</quote> I'm sure you have a very realistic worldview.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:34:51 AM #73:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works. Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this? That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it. So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away. You just spent all that time typing this and you still didn't post anything that's actually correct. Like, how you can be 0% right three posts in a row is mind boggling. Well, maybe it's not your mind that's being boggled. I'm sure you have a very realistic worldview. Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429531] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that we need to ignore objective reality to protect people's feelings is so dumb. There is a vast difference between respecting someone's inclinations to live as the opposite sex due to something they cannot control and bending over backwards to affirm it even to the point of ignoring how the world actually works.</quote> Good thing being transgender doesn't stem from feelings. It's the feelings that would stem from being transgender. Maybe bother learning what a word actually is before spouting bullshit like this?</quote> That addresses nothing of what I said at all. The feelings in this context are those of anyone who gets so caught up in this idea that a mental state of mind needs to override the physical reality we live in. That's not even necessarily trans people, but anyone who pushes for it.</quote> So yeah you don't actually know what transgender is if you think it's just a state of mind</quote> It doesn't matter if the root cause is physical, hormonal, or mental, it's still shows up as a mental state of "I'm not A, I'm B." It does not change the physical body they're born into, and it does not make the characteristics of that body go away.</quote> You just spent all that time typing this and you still didn't post anything that's actually correct. Like, how you can be 0% right three posts in a row is mind boggling. Well, maybe it's not your mind that's being boggled.</quote> I'm sure you have a very realistic worldview.</quote> Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:35:50 AM #74:	gunplagirl posted... That policy is to protect women from prisoners who have demonstrated that they have been and can be a credible threat against women. No, actually, as that would actually be pretty sexist. The policy is there to protect the entire staff as the presence of women tends to rile rule them up and makes them a threat to the entire staff. gunplagirl posted... Which is to say, you just compared a trans woman in a consensual combat sport to women who work at prisons being assaulted by male prisoners. No, I made the point that you're looking at a decision against a specific group and assuming it's based on hate, without actually taking time to consider the facts. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429554] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>That policy is to protect women from prisoners who have demonstrated that they have been and can be a credible threat against women.</quote> No, actually, as that would actually be pretty sexist. The policy is there to protect the entire staff as the presence of women tends to rile rule them up and makes them a threat to the entire staff. <cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Which is to say, you just compared a trans woman in a consensual combat sport to women who work at prisons being assaulted by male prisoners.</quote> No, I made the point that you're looking at a decision against a specific group and assuming it's based on hate, without actually taking time to consider the facts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/15/18 12:36:05 AM #75:	OctilIery posted... Except being transgender isn't a mental illness so your whole facts argument goes out the window. Oh, and did you also use the old "gender is a social construct" shtick? "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[3] Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders.[4][5] Such disorders may be diagnosed by a mental health professional." So thinking you are physically something you are not is not a mental illness, but being sad is a mental illness. What a time to be alive. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:912429565] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Except being transgender isn't a mental illness so your whole facts argument goes out the window. Oh, and did you also use the old "gender is a social construct" shtick?</quote> "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[3] Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders.[4][5] Such disorders may be diagnosed by a mental health professional." So thinking you are physically something you are not is not a mental illness, but being sad is a mental illness. What a time to be alive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:37:31 AM #76:	Dragonblade01 posted... OctilIery posted... Dragonblade01 posted... OctilIery posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring." Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded. From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated. You have some citations? I admit I don't follow sports that much, so what you say is very possible, and I'd love to be educated :) I'm posting while on break at the moment, but I'll @ you when I can find the relevant article. Awesome, thanks! Nothing constructive is happening here, so I'll just leave here for now <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429617] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless of gunplagirl's hostility, she's correct when she says that there are often very strict regulations put on transgender athletes for the sake of fair competition. While there may be room to discuss the quality of the regulations, it's not like we just "let men change their gender identity and fight women in the ring."</quote> Which is true, but it's still allowing in women that have a significant advantage because they were born men. Her claims that those advantages disappear are, far as I've seen, completely unfounded.</quote> From what I've seen, most cause for concern comes from either cherry-picked news stories or from before such regulations went into effect. For example, there was concern when a transgender athlete won an all-female track event, in spite of the fact that said transgender athlete hadn't won many times prior. It was only after she finally won that people's concerns escalated.</quote> You have some citations? I admit I don't follow sports that much, so what you say is very possible, and I'd love to be educated :)</quote> I'm posting while on break at the moment, but I'll @ you when I can find the relevant article.</quote> Awesome, thanks! Nothing constructive is happening here, so I'll just leave here for now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:38:13 AM #77:	OctilIery posted... gunplagirl posted... That policy is to protect women from prisoners who have demonstrated that they have been and can be a credible threat against women. No, actually, as that would actually be pretty sexist. The policy is there to protect the entire staff as the presence of women tends to rile rule them up and makes them a threat to the entire staff. gunplagirl posted... Which is to say, you just compared a trans woman in a consensual combat sport to women who work at prisons being assaulted by male prisoners. No, I made the point that you're looking at a decision against a specific group and assuming it's based on hate, without actually taking time to consider the facts. "Well ackshewully" he typed, tipping his fedora as his mother walked into the room with his plate full of taquitos. "Thanks, m'lady" was muttered, almost inaudibly, as he devoured three within seconds of grabbing the plate. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429637] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>That policy is to protect women from prisoners who have demonstrated that they have been and can be a credible threat against women.</quote> No, actually, as that would actually be pretty sexist. The policy is there to protect the entire staff as the presence of women tends to rile rule them up and makes them a threat to the entire staff. <cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Which is to say, you just compared a trans woman in a consensual combat sport to women who work at prisons being assaulted by male prisoners.</quote> No, I made the point that you're looking at a decision against a specific group and assuming it's based on hate, without actually taking time to consider the facts.</quote> "Well ackshewully" he typed, tipping his fedora as his mother walked into the room with his plate full of taquitos. "Thanks, m'lady" was muttered, almost inaudibly, as he devoured three within seconds of grabbing the plate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/15/18 12:40:23 AM #78:	Squall28 posted... OctilIery posted... Except being transgender isn't a mental illness so your whole facts argument goes out the window. Oh, and did you also use the old "gender is a social construct" shtick? "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[3] Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders.[4][5] Such disorders may be diagnosed by a mental health professional." So thinking you are physically something you are not is not a mental illness, but being sad is a mental illness. What a time to be alive. So not only do you not understand how transgenderism works but you try to boil depression down to just being sad. You make it clear you aren't worth talking to. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912429706] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Except being transgender isn't a mental illness so your whole facts argument goes out the window. Oh, and did you also use the old "gender is a social construct" shtick?</quote> "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[3] Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders.[4][5] Such disorders may be diagnosed by a mental health professional." So thinking you are physically something you are not is not a mental illness, but being sad is a mental illness. What a time to be alive.</quote> So not only do you not understand how transgenderism works but you try to boil depression down to just being sad. You make it clear you aren't worth talking to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 11/15/18 12:42:05 AM #79:	gunplagirl posted... This is from 2014 And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women Really? I dont follow the sport, but is a fractured skull really a common injury? --- #MakeFinalFantasyGreatAgain <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:912429752] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>This is from 2014 And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women</quote> Really? I dont follow the sport, but is a fractured skull really a common injury?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 11/15/18 12:42:30 AM #80:	Why do people still do this shit with her. She's as extreme as you can get, why the fuck would you ever have a back and forth with her? --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:912429766] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Why do people still do this shit with her. She's as extreme as you can get, why the fuck would you ever have a back and forth with her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 12:43:07 AM #81:	gunplagirl posted... Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs. <cite>nemu posted [p:912429784] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sobergermanguy 11/15/18 12:44:51 AM #82:	So people are trying to make this political, but it seems more like a case of a shitty unranked fighter getting her ass whooped by a vastly superior opponent. --- You choc-blocked me, bro <cite>sobergermanguy posted [p:912429835] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>So people are trying to make this political, but it seems more like a case of a shitty unranked fighter getting her ass whooped by a vastly superior opponent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/18 12:45:37 AM #83:	shnangyboos posted... Why do people still do this shit with her. She's as extreme as you can get, why the fuck would you ever have a back and forth with her? Seriously there's no reason to waste your time arguing with her at all. She's not going to convince you of anything and vice versa --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:912429866] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people still do this shit with her. She's as extreme as you can get, why the fuck would you ever have a back and forth with her?</quote> Seriously there's no reason to waste your time arguing with her at all. She's not going to convince you of anything and vice versa</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:46:24 AM #84:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs. What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912429897] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs.</quote> What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 12:51:51 AM #85:	gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs. What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders. Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate. <cite>nemu posted [p:912430061] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs.</quote> What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders.</quote> Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 11/15/18 12:54:00 AM #86:	gunplagirl posted... And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women These injuries are common yet extremely rare. --- It's thinking... REmake 2 giveaway > http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1074-resident-evil-past-present-and-future <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:912430131] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> And injuries of this nature are common in fighting sports like MMA Stop trying to use these extremely rare events as an excuse to validate your hatred of trans women</quote> These injuries are common yet extremely rare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 12:56:51 AM #87:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs. What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders. Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate. They are proof that using some "xy is male xx is female" system is not correct. It's a spectrum and they're just the more extreme examples of people who don't fit within such a simplistic binary system. Even if we do stick with a binary (male and female) there's still more to it than just genitals and chromosomes. So no, it's not a gotcha so much as a "if you ignore them it's because you aren't actually interested in being scientifically, medically or categorically accurate" and as such comes down to you. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912430219] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs.</quote> What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders.</quote> Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate.</quote> They are proof that using some "xy is male xx is female" system is not correct. It's a spectrum and they're just the more extreme examples of people who don't fit within such a simplistic binary system. Even if we do stick with a binary (male and female) there's still more to it than just genitals and chromosomes. So no, it's not a gotcha so much as a "if you ignore them it's because you aren't actually interested in being scientifically, medically or categorically accurate" and as such comes down to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PlsGodDontBanMe 11/15/18 12:59:19 AM #88:	Negi is the textbook example of people being so insanely far to the left that they do more harm for everything they stand for than good, yet is too far down the rabbit hole to realize that so they keep pushing everyone away and keep on making a complete joke of themselves --- https://giphy.com/gifs/4GXZU8qblNim9GmxnG PBRJax: Browns Baby <cite>PlsGodDontBanMe posted [p:912430294] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>Negi is the textbook example of people being so insanely far to the left that they do more harm for everything they stand for than good, yet is too far down the rabbit hole to realize that so they keep pushing everyone away and keep on making a complete joke of themselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 11/15/18 1:03:35 AM #89:	cough cough Just gonna leave this right here. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/transgender/9634496 --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:912430446] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>cough cough Just gonna leave this right here. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/transgender/9634496</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 1:04:18 AM #90:	PlsGodDontBanMe posted... Negi is the textbook example of people being so insanely far to the left that they do more harm for everything they stand for than good, yet is too far down the rabbit hole to realize that so they keep pushing everyone away and keep on making a complete joke of themselves I'm sure you'd have had similar feelings towards the Woolworth's Lunch Sit-In. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912430468] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>PlsGodDontBanMe posted...</cite> <quote>Negi is the textbook example of people being so insanely far to the left that they do more harm for everything they stand for than good, yet is too far down the rabbit hole to realize that so they keep pushing everyone away and keep on making a complete joke of themselves</quote> I'm sure you'd have had similar feelings towards the Woolworth's Lunch Sit-In.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 1:11:07 AM #91:	gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs. What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders. Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate. They are proof that using some "xy is male xx is female" system is not correct. It's a spectrum and they're just the more extreme examples of people who don't fit within such a simplistic binary system. Even if we do stick with a binary (male and female) there's still more to it than just genitals and chromosomes. So no, it's not a gotcha so much as a "if you ignore them it's because you aren't actually interested in being scientifically, medically or categorically accurate" and as such comes down to you. No, it's proof of nothing. It's a rare series of disorders of people who did not develop correctly. It's no different than being born with extra appendages or missing appendages in terms of this debate. It's like you're treating intersex people as if they're a third sex or something by trying to shove them into this line of thinking. Just because there are people who did not develop properly it is not indicative of a spectrum. You would need a much higher population of such people, and they would need to be "normal" (as in their traits being positively being passed down to children and not just being one-offs). It's indicative that sometimes the human reproductive process majorly fucks up. <cite>nemu posted [p:912430688] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs.</quote> What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders.</quote> Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate.</quote> They are proof that using some "xy is male xx is female" system is not correct. It's a spectrum and they're just the more extreme examples of people who don't fit within such a simplistic binary system. Even if we do stick with a binary (male and female) there's still more to it than just genitals and chromosomes. So no, it's not a gotcha so much as a "if you ignore them it's because you aren't actually interested in being scientifically, medically or categorically accurate" and as such comes down to you.</quote> No, it's proof of nothing. It's a rare series of disorders of people who did not develop correctly. It's no different than being born with extra appendages or missing appendages in terms of this debate. It's like you're treating intersex people as if they're a third sex or something by trying to shove them into this line of thinking. Just because there are people who did not develop properly it is not indicative of a spectrum. You would need a much higher population of such people, and they would need to be "normal" (as in their traits being positively being passed down to children and not just being one-offs). It's indicative that sometimes the human reproductive process majorly fucks up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 1:20:34 AM #92:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water. I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs. What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders. Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate. They are proof that using some "xy is male xx is female" system is not correct. It's a spectrum and they're just the more extreme examples of people who don't fit within such a simplistic binary system. Even if we do stick with a binary (male and female) there's still more to it than just genitals and chromosomes. So no, it's not a gotcha so much as a "if you ignore them it's because you aren't actually interested in being scientifically, medically or categorically accurate" and as such comes down to you. No, it's proof of nothing. It's a rare series of disorders of people who did not develop correctly. It's no different than being born with extra appendages or missing appendages in terms of this debate. It's like you're treating intersex people as if they're a third sex or something by trying to shove them into this line of thinking. Just because there are people who did not develop properly it is not indicative of a spectrum. You would need a much higher population of such people, and they would need to be "normal" (as in their traits being positively being passed down to children and not just being one-offs). It's indicative that sometimes the human reproductive process majorly fucks up. The sex binary is not a catch all, you're the one ignoring that literal fucking geneticists say on the subject. You must know better than them though, with your zero qualifications. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912430997] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>Considering you said it doesn't matter whether it's physical hormonal or mental it's still mental. Which is like, a textbook example of a contradictory statement. And not even a duplicitous one that might actually hold water.</quote> I feel like you're purposely being obtuse for the sake of arguing more than needed. I don't think anything I said in that post is hard to follow. It doesn't matter if it's the shape of the brain, hormonal factors, or simply 100% in their head, the person feels the needs to change their body and lifestyle to match their how they feel. That is perfectly acceptable, and there should be no particular reason to be against that. The problem comes when people want to ignore the physical reality completely, the whole "real man" and "real woman" line of reasoning. That doesn't change what they have or used to have between their legs.</quote> What you just did for the first time was expand and attempt to qualify your statement. What you said before and what you just now explained in depth are totally different. You're still wrong but this is actually a fleshed out enough statement that I can tell you the specifics you're wrong about. Like "real man/ woman" and tying it to genital configurations at birth, as that ignores intersex people, trans people and people with gonadal disorders.</quote> Why do people always bring up intersex people in trans debates? Intersex people have unfortunate physical disorders, some of which that are extremely sad and some of which comparatively aren't that bad. They are not some kind of "GOTCHA!" It's like saying some of the very horrific babies you see in the news are some kind of example of a new human race. They're just very unfortunate.</quote> They are proof that using some "xy is male xx is female" system is not correct. It's a spectrum and they're just the more extreme examples of people who don't fit within such a simplistic binary system. Even if we do stick with a binary (male and female) there's still more to it than just genitals and chromosomes. So no, it's not a gotcha so much as a "if you ignore them it's because you aren't actually interested in being scientifically, medically or categorically accurate" and as such comes down to you.</quote> No, it's proof of nothing. It's a rare series of disorders of people who did not develop correctly. It's no different than being born with extra appendages or missing appendages in terms of this debate. It's like you're treating intersex people as if they're a third sex or something by trying to shove them into this line of thinking. Just because there are people who did not develop properly it is not indicative of a spectrum. You would need a much higher population of such people, and they would need to be "normal" (as in their traits being positively being passed down to children and not just being one-offs). It's indicative that sometimes the human reproductive process majorly fucks up.</quote> The sex binary is not a catch all, you're the one ignoring that literal fucking geneticists say on the subject. You must know better than them though, with your zero qualifications.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QwelzaarKane 11/15/18 1:24:27 AM #93:	gunplagirl posted... QwelzaarKane posted... dave_is_slick posted... gunplagirl posted... So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life? For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with. "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say. Thanks for proving my point. --- http://error1355.com/ce/QwelzaarKane.html Ain't no love shown but to those who down til we die <cite>QwelzaarKane posted [p:912431129] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. </quote> Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?</quote> For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with.</quote> "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say.</quote> Thanks for proving my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocileOrangeCup 11/15/18 1:24:58 AM #94:	1337toothbrush posted... Here's an idea: how about we stop putting so much stock in stupid sports? Playing games should be for fun. A lady got her skull broken --- https://imgur.com/kHnd6lr https://imgur.com/uG042id https://imgur.com/tIfDfZH https://imgur.com/xhtRl8w https://imgur.com/ggQozRe https://imgur.com/xfhfLOc <cite>DocileOrangeCup posted [p:912431147] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Here's an idea: how about we stop putting so much stock in stupid sports? Playing games should be for fun.</quote> A lady got her skull broken</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/15/18 1:25:23 AM #95:	gunplagirl posted... The sex binary is not a catch all, you're the one ignoring that literal fucking geneticists say on the subject. You must know better than them though, with your zero qualifications. Your only examples are literal deformities, so I'm not too certain on that. <cite>nemu posted [p:912431152] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>The sex binary is not a catch all, you're the one ignoring that literal fucking geneticists say on the subject. You must know better than them though, with your zero qualifications.</quote> Your only examples are literal deformities, so I'm not too certain on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 1:27:37 AM #96:	QwelzaarKane posted... gunplagirl posted... QwelzaarKane posted... dave_is_slick posted... gunplagirl posted... So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life? For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with. "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say. Thanks for proving my point. Cry more as you actively help make it socially acceptable to attack and harass transgender people --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912431217] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. </quote> Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?</quote> For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with.</quote> "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say.</quote> Thanks for proving my point.</quote> Cry more as you actively help make it socially acceptable to attack and harass transgender people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 1:28:34 AM #97:	nemu posted... gunplagirl posted... The sex binary is not a catch all, you're the one ignoring that literal fucking geneticists say on the subject. You must know better than them though, with your zero qualifications. Your only examples are literal deformities, so I'm not too certain on that. They're not even classified as deformities by the appropriate medical fields that they're relevant to. Glad to know you don't actually care about being accurate. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912431248] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite><quote>The sex binary is not a catch all, you're the one ignoring that literal fucking geneticists say on the subject. You must know better than them though, with your zero qualifications.</quote> Your only examples are literal deformities, so I'm not too certain on that.</quote> They're not even classified as deformities by the appropriate medical fields that they're relevant to. Glad to know you don't actually care about being accurate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 11/15/18 1:29:04 AM #98:	gunplagirl posted... QwelzaarKane posted... gunplagirl posted... QwelzaarKane posted... dave_is_slick posted... gunplagirl posted... So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life? For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with. "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say. Thanks for proving my point. Cry more as you actively help make it socially acceptable to attack and harass transgender people temper tantrum intensifies --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:912431258] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. </quote> Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?</quote> For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with.</quote> "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say.</quote> Thanks for proving my point.</quote> Cry more as you actively help make it socially acceptable to attack and harass transgender people</quote> temper tantrum intensifies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Concession 11/15/18 1:31:43 AM #99:	They should just hurry up and ban segregated sports. Just have anyone be able to compete in any competition with gender discrimination illegal. Sure, females will be born knowing they have no real hope in ever becoming athletes but the transgender minority will be appeased. --- Laugh and grow fat <cite>Concession posted [p:912431354] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote>They should just hurry up and ban segregated sports. Just have anyone be able to compete in any competition with gender discrimination illegal. Sure, females will be born knowing they have no real hope in ever becoming athletes but the transgender minority will be appeased.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/15/18 1:32:46 AM #100:	dave_is_slick posted... gunplagirl posted... QwelzaarKane posted... gunplagirl posted... QwelzaarKane posted... dave_is_slick posted... gunplagirl posted... So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life? For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with. "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say. Thanks for proving my point. Cry more as you actively help make it socially acceptable to attack and harass transgender people temper tantrum intensifies The hilarious thing is that men who bring up the emotional response to anything that should illicit an emotional reaction, are usually emotionally unstable (and take delight in other's suffering, etc.) and somehow have gotten this idea that emotionlessness=right. There's a fancy phrase for the intentional hindering of one's feelings, ever hear the phrase "toxic masculinity" before? Because that's peak toxic masculinity right there. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912431383] in Transgende... [t:77203442]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QwelzaarKane posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>So no, you aren't pro-lgbt if you're against trans people. </quote> Can you fucking stop this for once in your pathetic life?</quote> For real. The biggest downside to being pro-LGBT is the other pro-LGBT people you get associated with.</quote> "How dare those trans people actually advocate for themselves" is what I'm hearing you say.</quote> Thanks for proving my point.</quote> Cry more as you actively help make it socially acceptable to attack and harass transgender people</quote> temper tantrum intensifies</quote> The hilarious thing is that men who bring up the emotional response to anything that should illicit an emotional reaction, are usually emotionally unstable (and take delight in other's suffering, etc.) and somehow have gotten this idea that emotionlessness=right. There's a fancy phrase for the intentional hindering of one's feelings, ever hear the phrase "toxic masculinity" before? Because that's peak toxic masculinity right there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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