Poll of the Day > Should non smokers get more vacation time over smokers?

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https://globalnews.ca/news/3839396/vacation-non-smokers-canada/
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i think healthy people should get better benefits than none healthy people.

and by "healthy" I mean people that make an effort to be healthy. like they go to the gym (easyish to prove), they eat healthily (hard to prove), etc.
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green dragon posted...

i think healthy people should get better benefits than none healthy people.

and by "healthy" I mean people that make an effort to be healthy. like they go to the gym (easyish to prove), they eat healthily (hard to prove), etc.

This

Not just smokers but also obese people. They are a drain on medical resources and raise the price of all medical related expenses. They shouldn't be rewarded for that shit.

A lot of companies will even pay you to join a gym and use it. My company does, and I know many other companies do as well.

No. If smokers aren't working as much then stop allowing them extra breaks for smoking. I don't see why a person's lifestyle is anyone's business as long as they're fit to do the work, and if they're doing the same work as everyone else then they deserve the same benefits.
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kind9 posted...

No. If smokers aren't working as much then stop allowing them extra breaks for smoking. I don't see why a person's lifestyle is anyone's business as long as they're fit to do the work, and if they're doing the same work as everyone else then they deserve the same benefits.

This lol

I think everybody in here is totally missing the point
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As someone who doesnt smoke... Id be ok with that
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Tag so I can see the self-entitled smoker outrage later.
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kind9 posted...

I don't see why a person's lifestyle is anyone's business

I mentioned in my first post that unhealthy people raise healthcare costs for everyone, healthy and unhealthy people alike. So healthy people are basically punished for the actions of the unhealthy.

Also, secondhand smoke is just as bad as smoking the cigarette itself. I hate when people smoke around me. If you want to ruin your own lungs, then fine, but don't ruin my lungs in the process you motherfucking asshole.

Therefore, it is my business because it does affect me.

GanonsSpirit posted...

Tag so I can see the self-entitled smoker outrage later.

Pretty much..

smokers should be put into labor camps
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Or just have smokers take their smoking breaks out of their actual breaks, not allow extra time to go out and smoke.

Why lol
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kind9 posted...

I don't see why a person's lifestyle is anyone's business

In this case, simple diffusion. The only way a person's decision to smoke isn't going to be somebody else's business is if they do it in an airtight box.

rogerskg1979 posted...

A lot of companies will even pay you to join a gym and use it. My company does, and I know many other companies do as well.

I think this is only certain companies. I dont think a lot do it yet. We talked about this once here on this site. But if those companies want to reward people for good health, they can.

kind9 posted...

No. If smokers aren't working as much then stop allowing them extra breaks for smoking. I don't see why a person's lifestyle is anyone's business as long as they're fit to do the work, and if they're doing the same work as everyone else then they deserve the same benefits.

I agree with this. Doing the same work means getting the same benefits. If you dont wanna give them the same benefits, then give them a different job or different work...

We have people on base who smoke, and they still do well on PT test which has cardio(running) as a big part of it. And they do better than some of the non-smokers. And some of those big guys can run and do well, as well.

I think paying them less is idiotic and cant agree with it. I dont see it making any sense... And Id technically be in the healthy group...
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LinkPizza posted...

Doing the same work means getting the same benefits. If you dont wanna give them the same benefits, then give them a different job or different work.

To be fair, smokers in general are more likely to take advantage of health care and medical services related to their habit that non-smokers wouldn't (and health insurance for smokers can easily cost employers more money than for healthy non-smokers), so it's not entirely unfair to suggest that non-smokers should be able to take advantage of other services or benefits to rebalance those scales.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Doing the same work means getting the same benefits. If you dont wanna give them the same benefits, then give them a different job or different work.

To be fair, smokers in general are more likely to take advantage of health care and medical services related to their habit that non-smokers wouldn't (and health insurance for smokers can easily cost employers more money than for healthy non-smokers), so it's not entirely unfair to suggest that non-smokers should be able to take advantage of other services or benefits to rebalance those scales.

I just figure it would cost them more maybe. But thats probably about it. I would mess with stuff like vacation days. Like how companies have different healthcare policies. Make one for the smokers. It may cost more, but its a healthcare plan made for them. But messing with days off, or retirement benefits, or whatever shouldnt be the go to thing.

But even at my current company and on base, they dont really separate smokers and non smokers.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

A lot of companies will even pay you to join a gym and use it. My company does, and I know many other companies do as well.

That's rad as fuck, I hope that trend sprends.
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i would be ok if we just got the 8 extra 5min breaks each day

GasMonkey posted...

i would be ok if we just got the 8 extra 5min breaks each day

For real

I've smoked at some workplaces to just get those breaks

It's a load the they won't give anyone else those little 5 minutes here and there
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I want to start seeing a 5 dollar unhealthy tax on every drive-thru order there is, i pay 4 bux in tax on a pack of smokes to why shouldnt fatty there be taxed as well.... healthcare, extra weight burning more fuel in their cars packed of unlhealthy kids eating the same crap.... get the fuck out and walk into said "restaurant"
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Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

It is well deserved. Their secondhand smoke affects non-smokers. Plus smokers cause insurance premiums to increase for everyone.

I can understand people who smoked in the 1950s and 60s since the health issues associated with smoking weren't well known back then, but it makes no sense why anyone would want to smoke in today's world when the health issues are well known. You have to be an incredibly stupid person to smoke today.

live life to the fullest, everyday is your last. no regrets. if not you aint living....
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green dragon posted...

i think healthy people should get better benefits than none healthy people.

What, like living about twenty years or so longer?

Ive never worked at a place that didn't allow the same amount of break time to smokers and non smokers
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My maternal grandmother smoked 2 packs a day and lived to be 85.

As another wacko poster says, that's where your hereditary death date comes from. And since I only smoke a pack a day, I'm going to live til 120.

On free healthcare. And 6 weeks vacation.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

It is well deserved. Their secondhand smoke affects non-smokers. Plus smokers cause insurance premiums to increase for everyone.

I can understand people who smoked in the 1950s and 60s since the health issues associated with smoking weren't well known back then, but it makes no sense why anyone would want to smoke in today's world when the health issues are well known. You have to be an incredibly stupid person to smoke today.

Probably the nicotine. Or it helps them relax. Or whatever. I guess people have their reasons.
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Everyone should have the same amount of holiday time, breaks and so on.

rogerskg1979 posted...

If you want to ruin your own lungs, then fine, but don't ruin my lungs in the process you motherfucking asshole.

Then stop walking next to people who are smoking. I bet you see someone smoking and go and stand by them just to cry about it. You seem like one of those people.

LinkPizza posted...

Probably the nicotine.

That is indeed the reason. Although we do have better ways of getting that nic fix these days.
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Firewood18 posted...

My maternal grandmother smoked 2 packs a day and lived to be 85.

As another wacko poster says, that's where your hereditary death date comes from. And since I only smoke a pack a day, I'm going to live til 120.

On free healthcare. And 6 weeks vacation.

It's dumb when people try to use the argument of an unhealthy person living to an old age. Those people are outliers, they're not the norm. Yes, outliers do exist. Congratulations, your grandma was an outlier. That's not the norm though.

Also, another thing to consider is that being healthy may not necessarily make you live longer, but rather being healthy gives you a higher quality of life in your senior years. Unhealthy people tend to have a LOT of health issues and complications in their senior years. There's a big difference between being 80 years old and still healthy enough to exercise regularly and being 80 years old and so broken down that you can barely get out of bed anymore. I bet your grandma was more likely the latter, not the former.

Muscles posted...

Ive never worked at a place that didn't allow the same amount of break time to smokers and non smokers

I worked in a warehouse that let smokers take Cig(huh can't use the British slang here) breaks because the line mangers smoked. None smokers? Nope they only had their normal breaks that everyone got.

rogerskg1979 posted...

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Then a car comes crashing down the street and hits you. You're now dead and smokers are not.
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Progress is slow as funk in some sectors.
It's only been half a decade since smoking was prescribed for constipated pregnant gals.

I'm still smoking to pay our revulsion art debt to France.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

As is your hate boner for people who eat fast food.
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At my place of employment this is quite the hot topics at the moment, at least we me and my managers, i dont smoke but often go out with the smokers because i dont see why they should be allowed an extra 20-30 minutes break a night, i've been told i am not allowed out with them as i do not smoke, unless i take it out of my allocated break time, unsurprisingly the manager that tells me this smokes himself and actually goes out for longer than most, needless to say i do not listen to him and go out regardless.

Sarcasthma posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

As is your hate boner for people who eat fast food.

Except I don't hate people who eat fast food, I feel sorry for them.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

green dragon posted...

i think healthy people should get better benefits than none healthy people.

What, like living about twenty years or so longer?

no, like some kind of monetary benifit.

I'm all about that paper, boss.
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If by vacation time you mean that set time-off every year to do as you please? No; I'm not down for nixing that for anyone.
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wwinterj25 posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

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Then a car comes crashing down the street and hits you. You're now dead and smokers are not.

Getting hit by a car is not a natural cause of death. I was talking purely about natural death, not accidents. Therefore what you said is irrelevant.

Not all smokers take extra breaks.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Sarcasthma posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

As is your hate boner for people who eat fast food.

Except I don't hate people who eat fast food, I feel sorry for them.

I recall you posting "Fuck people who eat fast food."

Or were you just drunk posting again?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Sarcasthma posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

As is your hate boner for people who eat fast food.

Except I don't hate people who eat fast food, I feel sorry for them.

No one wants you sympathy because we like fast food. And you can still be healthy, even of you eat it. Just because you cant eat fast food and be healthy at the same time doesnt mean others cant. Besides, it doesnt that you like it more than the others, but In-N-Out is still fast food.

@Sarcasthma Im not sure about the people, but I do know he hates the establishments. He say he wanted to burn them all down. And replace them with orchards... maybe... Or something weird like that...
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Some places are stricter than others about breaks. I've worked in a couple of places where the smokers would frequently pop out the back door for a quick smoke, but one of those was the kind of place where we mainly just watched our machine run and made sure everything was running good, so us non-smokers were just standing there not doing much anyway. I've worked in other places where taking an extra smoke break like that would get people fired.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Non-smokers hate boners for smokers is hilarious.

It is well deserved. Their secondhand smoke affects non-smokers. Plus smokers cause insurance premiums to increase for everyone.

I can understand people who smoked in the 1950s and 60s since the health issues associated with smoking weren't well known back then, but it makes no sense why anyone would want to smoke in today's world when the health issues are well known. You have to be an incredibly stupid person to smoke today.

Not just second hand smoke.

Third hand smoke is also an issue that's still being researched.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/09/third-hand-smoke-is-widespread-and-may-be-dangerous-mounting-evidence-shows/

First came doctors warnings about cigarettes. Then came discoveries about the danger of secondhand smoke. Now, a growing number of scientists are raising the alarm about thirdhand smoke residual chemicals left on indoor surfaces by tobacco smoke.

Mounting research has shown such potentially hazardous residue can be absorbed through the skin, ingested and inhaled months and even years after the smoke has dissipated.

One study published this year showed thirdhand smoke increased risk of lung cancer in mice. Another study published last year showed an increased risk of liver damage and diabetes in mice. A third study published this year focused on casinos and showed that six months after smoking was banned, heavy smoke residue remained on the walls and carpet.

The latest study, published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances, shows how tobacco smoke from outdoor air can seep into a nonsmoking classroom and coat its surfaces, and how those hazardous chemicals often become airborne again and circulate throughout buildings via central air-conditioning systems.

It shows that just because youre in a nonsmoking environment, it doesnt mean you arent exposed to tobacco, said Peter DeCarlo, an atmospheric chemist at Drexel University in Philadelphia and lead author of the study. That Uber car you jump into, the hotel room you stay in, even a classroom where smoking hasnt been allowed for decades: These are places where you are often exposed to a lot more than you expect.

streamofthesky posted...

Not just second hand smoke.

Third hand smoke is also an issue that's still being researched.

The moral of the story here, is to just freebase nicotine.

This topic is now about the amount of noxious car exhaust most humans breathe in on a daily basis, well, at least those that leave the house.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

This topic is now about the amount of noxious car exhaust most humans breathe in on a daily basis, well, at least those that leave the house.

ROFL

Yeah, really.
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As a non-smoker I can confidently say that people who dont smoke should be given a jillion dollars
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Some people smoke like every 5 minutes, that means they're only working half or LESS of work day...
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As a non-smoker: Yes, totally!

Realistically: No, I spend the time I would having a cigarette break getting up from my computer and walking around a bit. Granted, I am taking a break to be healthier and get some exercise, but I am still using company time to do it.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

Getting hit by a car is not a natural cause of death. I was talking purely about natural death, not accidents.

My point was you can be as healthy as you want but nothing in life is a guarantee. Some folk spend all their life trying to be as healthy as possible to have a "better quality of life" yet still end up dead at a young age through illnesses or the like. Even with dying of old age the healthy person might not live longer.
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wwinterj25 posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Getting hit by a car is not a natural cause of death. I was talking purely about natural death, not accidents.

My point was you can be as healthy as you want but nothing in life is a guarantee. Some folk spend all their life trying to be as healthy as possible to have a "better quality of life" yet still end up dead at a young age through illnesses or the like. Even with dying of old age the healthy person might not live longer.

Of course nothing in life is a guarantee. The only guarantee is that death is inevitable. The point is that if you take care of your body and be healthy, then the odds of having a higher quality of life is significantly higher than if you are unhealthy.

For example, a healthy person may have an 80% chance of living to 90 with no health problems. An unhealthy person may have a 30% chance of living to 90, and if he does live to 90, then he may have a 60% chance of having a lot of health problems on the way.

It's all about the odds....