Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 2: Competitive MELEEEEEE

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I didnt call you dumb I called your crusade dumb.
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red13n posted...

Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.

Stuff like this isnt going to convince the 4 other people who are on you that you're town
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Well then, what do you have for me? Treat this like a Phoenix Wright game. You call my case dumb, well shuffle through your inventory for the right piece of evidence to make me rethink the process.
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benjamin3740 posted...

red13n posted...

Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.

Stuff like this isnt going to convince the 4 other people who are on you that you're town

Two of you have put votes on without any reasoning yourself. I don't talk to sheep.
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red13n posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

red13n posted...

Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.

Stuff like this isnt going to convince the 4 other people who are on you that you're town

Two of you have put votes on without any reasoning yourself. I don't talk to sheep.

Quite right.

Ben, focus on bringing me information on other people, if you would? Red wants to talk with daddy then Red can have his talk with daddy.
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red13n posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

red13n posted...

Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.

Stuff like this isnt going to convince the 4 other people who are on you that you're town

Two of you have put votes on without any reasoning yourself. I don't talk to sheep.

When Chris asked in topic 1 who we think might be scum I listed you and Death. So this isnt a mere sheep vote. I havent seen anything towny from you yet
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benjamin3740 posted...

Pendragon, in which areas do you disagree with me?

Listing two, right off the top of my head, HB and geno. You said HB was, quote "confirmed Town" pretty early on in the day. Now, while I thought it was pretty likely, I was a pretty fair distance from confirmed at that point, although I'll grant I've gotten closer as the day's gone on.
As for geno, I, reading through after the fact, was on Death's side in thinking that geno needed to claim at least some things, but you, after your first post of agreeing, suddenly switched against Death.

It's not big things by any means, it's just been throwing me off.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Well then, what do you have for me? Treat this like a Phoenix Wright game. You call my case dumb, well shuffle through your inventory for the right piece of evidence to make me rethink the process.

For one, put last game aside because people keep referencing it and I literally was without internet(And what slow, unreliable shithole country internet I did have I could not spare to read mafia games).

Two, your vote was for me referencing Han acting different than past games. I'll stand by he has. Doesn't necessaily mean scum, but I at least wanted his insight on it. For one, he wasn't his big strong early presence that he'd been. He made two worthless posts, then finally showed up and offered, well, less than confident posts(He basically tried to call 3 different people scum). His past games, best as I can recall, he basically came out firing on one person, basically looking to brag about himself and his day 1 prowess(Which was mostly false and misguided, but he thought pretty highly of it).

Then you've got to look at the follow ups on me. You have a couple no reason sheep votes. And then a multiple people that have gone and attacked the people voting me for showing no reason, but then not actually voting anyone, and then backing off with "but I'm not defending red" essentially. If that doesn't scream something is wrong, I don't know what does.
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benjamin3740 posted...

red13n posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

red13n posted...

Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.

Stuff like this isnt going to convince the 4 other people who are on you that you're town

Two of you have put votes on without any reasoning yourself. I don't talk to sheep.

When Chris asked in topic 1 who we think might be scum I listed you and Death. So this isnt a mere sheep vote. I havent seen anything towny from you yet

There is no why answered here. Listing 2 people you think are scum doesn't make you a self-thinker.
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Sure, we can toss DR mafia out.

The problem I have though is I feel like the intent of Han is the same as it was in his previous town games. Maybe I am on my game in a major way this game (or, likewise, off of it) but I can hear the same subtle power in Han's words this game compared to his scum games where he felt weak. He hasn't been boastful but he hasn't felt weak here at all. It's possible that that's a legitimate difference of opinion we have though, granted.

I don't know what Shonen's deal with but if you are town it is a poor, pile on vote this is true. Ben I am fine with though for no other reason that if he is town he idolizes me and so if he thinks I am charged up and using the town of confirmed town he knows I am amped and ready to murder scum, so his vote even if sheepish makes sense from a town perspective.

Okay so now what do you have for suspicions?
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Pendragon71037 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Pendragon, in which areas do you disagree with me?

Listing two, right off the top of my head, HB and geno. You said HB was, quote "confirmed Town" pretty early on in the day. Now, while I thought it was pretty likely, I was a pretty fair distance from confirmed at that point, although I'll grant I've gotten closer as the day's gone on.
As for geno, I, reading through after the fact, was on Death's side in thinking that geno needed to claim at least some things, but you, after your first post of agreeing, suddenly switched against Death.

It's not big things by any means, it's just been throwing me off.

I call em confirmed as I see em. I just saw HB really quickly. It seems we do actually agree on his towniness now though?

Death I never liked for a multitude of reasons. I could have voted him over a couple things he did. The Geno reactions seemed a bit fake. And it was the last straw to get my vote. I dont think I ever wanted Geno to claim, since I thought he was town after saying he was a villain. I just knew it was freakin inevitable that he'd claim because people can't be calm and let things like that just float around
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red13n posted...

Then you've got to look at the follow ups on me. You have a couple no reason sheep votes. And then a multiple people that have gone and attacked the people voting me for showing no reason, but then not actually voting anyone, and then backing off with "but I'm not defending red" essentially. If that doesn't scream something is wrong, I don't know what does.

Why would that happen in a red(town)/Sultan(scum) and not a red(scum)/Sultan(scum)?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Sultan, do you think red is town?

You might have missed it earlier but I said
I am not advocating for red.

I just want the guys who voted to exsplain beacuse the random following onto the vote with no explanation is something I dont like

Thats my start, for now chris.

Mainly, because I was simmering on this post for awhile and everytime I go back to it I like it less.

A couple other people actually did similar, but not quite as openly scummy as sultan.
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Also someone else can ctrl-f the topics because I'm feeling lazy right now, but has Scare actually posted at all this game?
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red13n posted...

Also someone else can ctrl-f the topics because I'm feeling lazy right now, but has Scare actually posted at all this game?

Do you really think it is wise to feel lazy when I am wanting to kill you, red? Asking for a friend.
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red13n posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Sultan, do you think red is town?

You might have missed it earlier but I said
I am not advocating for red.

I just want the guys who voted to exsplain beacuse the random following onto the vote with no explanation is something I dont like

Thats my start, for now chris.

Mainly, because I was simmering on this post for awhile and everytime I go back to it I like it less.

A couple other people actually did similar, but not quite as openly scummy as sultan.

Why would scum Sultan not want to be seen as defending you?
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Why would that happen in a red(town)/Sultan(scum) and not a red(scum)/Sultan(scum)?

scum wants town lynches.

Its essentially a post of "keep as many town options open as possible" without having to get any hands dirty. Its what people do when they are worried they cant read the room as scum.

I think sbell or someone actually caught me doing similar a couple games ago.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

Also someone else can ctrl-f the topics because I'm feeling lazy right now, but has Scare actually posted at all this game?

Do you really think it is wise to feel lazy when I am wanting to kill you, red? Asking for a friend.

I'll do it at some point, I figured someone knew off-hand. I know hes posted 0 of note I just don't know off the top of my head if hes checked in or not.
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I don't think I'd compare you and Sultan's scum games though. Last I checked Sultan was a very poor Scum player. Not sure if I agree with the portrayal that he pokes people about you like that as scum.
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Also chris if I'm feeling lazy I'm feeling lazy. You should know that current game state isnt going to impact that.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I don't think I'd compare you and Sultan's scum games though. Last I checked Sultan was a very poor Scum player. Not sure if I agree with the portrayal that he pokes people about you like that as scum.

tbf, it was a pretty crappy post by me but sbell was the only one with the nerve to call me on it.
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Hey if you're feeling lazy we can give you a lot of time off from mafia, we just need 5 more people and you can be lazy as much as you want.
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I don't think I'd compare you and Sultan's scum games though. Last I checked Sultan was a very poor Scum player. Not sure if I agree with the portrayal that he pokes people about you like that as scum.

tbf, it was a pretty crappy post by me but sbell was the only one with the nerve to call me on it.

Truthfully it feels like "oh fuck Chris and FD kind of have me, I am going to say whatever it takes to get out of this" including just comparing yourself to SultanOfSlam <_<.

But I am pretty tired and am willing to let the game mull over your points without being the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
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I'm not feeling game lazy. Just don't feel like ctrl-f with scare and going page to page right now. Its not pressing enough, and such.
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Scare's been talking to me a lot on the mason board, but that's about it. He agrees with everything I say. Which is basically everything Chris says. So he's in good hands
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Truthfully it feels like "oh fuck Chris and FD kind of have me, I am going to say whatever it takes to get out of this" including just comparing yourself to SultanOfSlam <_<.

Whoa like hell, I had a pretty good scum game, just made one careless post where I didn't take a stand. I don't think it was even as blatant as the one sultan just made. Just pointing out its a similar mindset(Its basically a "shade a whole group" so you have reasoning later but don't actually have to take a stand now thing.
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Okay well, just keep posting and discussing the game. I am sure if you are town you'll say something inspired eventually.
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Ben you are going to confuse more people into thinking you are actually mason again.

You already got one person to walk off a cliff here on that.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Scare's been talking to me a lot on the mason board, but that's about it. He agrees with everything I say. Which is basically everything Chris says. So he's in good hands

*Insert laughing dhd gif here*

And yeah, I am seriously going sultan/scum here, but that points far more to red/scum than red/town.

##vote: red
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Scare has not posted significantly since like the first part of topic one. I didn't detect anything suspicious then, but you never know.

Also, I am very worried about how Han and Bat have just disappeared. I don't have the any comparisons for red, so I can't get a read on him, but those two fucking off without any explanation at all is pretty worrisome. Especially bat, as he's made like 5 posts this entire game.
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whoa scare has way more posts than I thought. Just none of any actual substance. Closest he got was mentioning hans claim but I'm not sure anyone actually gives any thought to an instant(And probably not real) vanilla claim.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Scare's been talking to me a lot on the mason board, but that's about it. He agrees with everything I say. Which is basically everything Chris says. So he's in good hands

*Insert laughing dhd gif here*

And yeah, I am seriously going sultan/scum here, but that points far more to red/scum than red/town.

##vote: red

what the hell is that lolo.

Thats not how the game works.
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Anyway. I'm going with my gut for now.

##Vote: Han
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Hbthebattle posted...

Anyway. I'm going with my gut for now.

##Vote: Han

Please stop going with your gut, that's not going anywhere today.
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Think of it like this: Day 1 is not the day you're going to lynch the guy who claimed vanilla early on, regardless of anything else. And Han's actual play has been fine. Follow another lead, please.
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That's fair enough, Ben- difference of play is all. I do agree now that HB is Town, yes.
Do elaborate on your reasons for not liking Death, please. It'll help me clarify my own position with him.
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red13n posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Scare's been talking to me a lot on the mason board, but that's about it. He agrees with everything I say. Which is basically everything Chris says. So he's in good hands

*Insert laughing dhd gif here*

And yeah, I am seriously going sultan/scum here, but that points far more to red/scum than red/town.

##vote: red

what the hell is that lolo.

Thats not how the game works.

What I have voted, I have voted.
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Chris, you are doing a good job drawing a lot of really terrible votes, I guess.
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Alright, alright.

##Unvote
I do at least want those two to give explanations, though I now am worried they'll just paraphrase Chris rather than create their own arguments
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red13n posted...

Chris, you are doing a good job drawing a lot of really terrible votes, I guess.

*Hums quietly*
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If I may, Chris, can you outline how red normally acts and how he's been different or scummy this game?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

Chris, you are doing a good job drawing a lot of really terrible votes, I guess.

*Hums quietly*

That is right out of his playbook, it's true !!
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Hbthebattle posted...

If I may, Chris, can you outline how red normally acts and how he's been different or scummy this game?

Not yet, if you don't mind.

Although to give a small notation: Scum red is quite good at not doing anything. So red should be forced to do things.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

If I may, Chris, can you outline how red normally acts and how he's been different or scummy this game?

Not yet, if you don't mind.

Although to give a small notation: Scum red is quite good at not doing anything. So red should be forced to do things.

Hm. Time for a re-read, then.
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i dont really even know what to do right here btw, you literally have most of these votes with 0 reasoning.

And your reasoning is what, I don't have fire? Well guess what, town red doesn't have a lot of fire day 1. Especially when I've been scum like 4 games in a row(And one game where I was mason so I was pretty damn confident because I could live on).

The worst thing is the sheep though. Thats the most frustrating thing. Your argument isnt even good you are just dumbing it down to "vote red lol we said so" essentially.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Although to give a small notation: Scum red is quite good at not doing anything. So red should be forced to do things.

This hasnt been true recently in the slightest. I've been feeling myself as scum because I got a lot of practice.

Lapses in activity were due to actually being busy and would have happened town or scum.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Alright, alright.

##Unvote
I do at least want those two to give explanations, though I now am worried they'll just paraphrase Chris rather than create their own arguments

also chris you found another spineless town.

This is why b8 towns keep losing/almost losing. They just decide to sheep one of us and the only one of us alive in the end winds up being scum. Not enough people willing to think for themselves and follow through.
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red13n posted...

I'm always going to prod people when I have an opportunity because that is how I read people early.

Who have you read as what due to prodding this game?
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Lolo_Guru posted...

red13n posted...

I'm always going to prod people when I have an opportunity because that is how I read people early.

Who have you read as what due to prodding this game?

prodding? I've only really "prodded" FD and most of that purpose was to remind to stay active because when he doesnt he plays catch up and posts walls no one will read(Town or scum).

You really need to get off the whole prod thing lolo.

I probably would have poked Corrik a bit but he took the cowards way out.

hell i "prodded" you in a sense but you seem oblivious to everything and i'm not sure if you are scum or just bad town(Basically, it didnt move the needle because you are tough to talk to and not posting logically sound).
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also lolo you should be happy i'm in a rather good mood because I am trying very hard to be nice to you while being incredibly frustrated with your postings.

chris can verify this assuming he is still here.
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