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hockeybub89 11/27/18 5:28:12 PM #51:	Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913141655] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 5:30:58 PM #52:	hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? Yeah. That is how you get better places. That is how we got free of the British. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913141827] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> Yeah. That is how you get better places. That is how we got free of the British.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/27/18 5:32:37 PM #53:	hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? No, you're right. Let those countries remain stagnantly awful, just send everyone who grows tired of the struggle to the US. Totally a recipe for long term success and prosperity. Just send your growing populous here infinitely and indefinitely. God forbid the people hold the government accountable for acting in the interests of the people. --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:913141913] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> No, you're right. Let those countries remain stagnantly awful, just send everyone who grows tired of the struggle to the US. Totally a recipe for long term success and prosperity. Just send your growing populous here infinitely and indefinitely. God forbid the people hold the government accountable for acting in the interests of the people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QtPatootie462 11/27/18 5:32:52 PM #54:	Why doesnt this caravan rise up against the cartels? --- It's okay to be cute. <cite>QtPatootie462 posted [p:913141928] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>Why doesnt this caravan rise up against the cartels?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 11/27/18 5:34:41 PM #55:	hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come --- Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' <cite>Houston posted [p:913142026] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/27/18 5:35:49 PM #56:	QtPatootie462 posted... Why doesnt this caravan rise up against the cartels? No shit. Revolutions are all the rage these days, apparently. We need to air drop them some bike locks and it's game over. --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:913142077] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>QtPatootie462 posted...</cite> <quote>Why doesnt this caravan rise up against the cartels?</quote> No shit. Revolutions are all the rage these days, apparently. We need to air drop them some bike locks and it's game over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 5:37:07 PM #57:	QtPatootie462 posted... Why doesnt this caravan rise up against the cartels? Don't bite the hand that feeds. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913142157] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>QtPatootie462 posted...</cite> <quote>Why doesnt this caravan rise up against the cartels?</quote> Don't bite the hand that feeds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 5:38:54 PM #58:	midgar posted... hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? No, you're right. Let those countries remain stagnantly awful, just send everyone who grows tired of the struggle to the US. Totally a recipe for long term success and prosperity. Just send your growing populous here infinitely and indefinitely. God forbid the people hold the government accountable for acting in the interests of the people. No one's sending people anywhere. People move out of shitty places if they can. Don't we tell people to leave if they don't like it? Imagine if you lived in a true hellhole of a country. You can go and die for a cause, but I'm going to hightail it out of there because there are greener pastures right now. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913142255] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> No, you're right. Let those countries remain stagnantly awful, just send everyone who grows tired of the struggle to the US. Totally a recipe for long term success and prosperity. Just send your growing populous here infinitely and indefinitely. God forbid the people hold the government accountable for acting in the interests of the people.</quote> No one's sending people anywhere. People move out of shitty places if they can. Don't we tell people to leave if they don't like it? Imagine if you lived in a true hellhole of a country. You can go and die for a cause, but I'm going to hightail it out of there because there are greener pastures right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/27/18 5:44:17 PM #59:	hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:913142533] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 5:45:34 PM #60:	Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913142596] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come</quote> Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 5:46:27 PM #61:	King_Hellebuyck posted... hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution. It must be because of how often it has happened in history. But yeah, it is real hard. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913142639] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution.</quote> It must be because of how often it has happened in history. But yeah, it is real hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 11/27/18 5:47:32 PM #62:	obviously tear gassing shouldnt happen when children are involved in any scenario, domestic or not. i dont have a problem with violent people being dispersed by tear gas but not if there are children among them. just arrest the violent people and deport them --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:913142698] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>obviously tear gassing shouldnt happen when children are involved in any scenario, domestic or not. i dont have a problem with violent people being dispersed by tear gas but not if there are children among them. just arrest the violent people and deport them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/27/18 5:51:20 PM #63:	RiderofHogs posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution. It must be because of how often it has happened in history. But yeah, it is real hard. Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:913142916] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution.</quote> It must be because of how often it has happened in history. But yeah, it is real hard.</quote> Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 5:53:48 PM #64:	King_Hellebuyck posted... RiderofHogs posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places? Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution. It must be because of how often it has happened in history. But yeah, it is real hard. Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way? The two sides in Syria doing the fighting do not want better lives. It is a terrible government and religious extremists. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913143058] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>Though, honestly, it'd be nice if their home country could maybe do that. Perhaps if all those hard working, honest, and industrious people put the same effort into making life better back home, things could improve. </quote> So people should what... violently overthrow their government rather than run away to better places?</quote> Its amazing how many people on his board seem to think this is a simple and obtainable solution.</quote> It must be because of how often it has happened in history. But yeah, it is real hard.</quote> Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way?</quote> The two sides in Syria doing the fighting do not want better lives. It is a terrible government and religious extremists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peter_Griffin33 11/27/18 5:56:30 PM #65:	Its bad because they fired it into Mexico, thus turning it into an international incident and the gas spread downwind to some innocent people that weren't trying to get through the fence. They should have just arrested anybody dumb enough to try and come through the fence and asked Mexican authorities for permission to fire gas, or just ask Mexican authorities to fire their own to help disperse the crowd. --- Steam Group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ReallyBadGaming Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/chucky2srevenge <cite>Peter_Griffin33 posted [p:913143206] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>Its bad because they fired it into Mexico, thus turning it into an international incident and the gas spread downwind to some innocent people that weren't trying to get through the fence. They should have just arrested anybody dumb enough to try and come through the fence and asked Mexican authorities for permission to fire gas, or just ask Mexican authorities to fire their own to help disperse the crowd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 11/27/18 6:22:59 PM #66:	hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders. Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive --- Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' <cite>Houston posted [p:913144753] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come</quote> Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders.</quote> Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thaddeus_J_Pibb 11/27/18 6:24:19 PM #67:	MakoReizei posted... I don't get what we're supposed to do with an unruly mob throwing rocks "Give them whatever they want, Nazi" - the left <cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted [p:913144834] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get what we're supposed to do with an unruly mob throwing rocks</quote> "Give them whatever they want, Nazi" - the left</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/27/18 6:24:58 PM #68:	I rent when Trump supporters told liberals to move if they didn't like how the country was being run. Now they want immigrants moving away from a country they don't like how it is being run to go back and fix it. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:913144874] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>I rent when Trump supporters told liberals to move if they didn't like how the country was being run. Now they want immigrants moving away from a country they don't like how it is being run to go back and fix it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/27/18 6:38:17 PM #69:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way? The alternative is for another country to get involved, which no one likes. But yes, who cares if those countries go to shit perpetually, so long as uncle America has a couch to crash on. That, to me, is a lazy solution to a problem that will not go away until things change abroad. It's never easy, but it is necessary. Outside of intervention subversively/militarily, is it possible for the US to help the people of those countries achieve this faster? Serious question I often ponder, without much conclusion. Sanctions harm the people, due to exploitative power structures. How do we help, unobtrusively as possible? I feel that if people genuinely gave a fuck about these "refugees", this would be concern number one. People will continue to suffer and flee, so long as people are complacent and can simply leave. Nothing will change. --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:913145674] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote> Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way?</quote> The alternative is for another country to get involved, which no one likes. But yes, who cares if those countries go to shit perpetually, so long as uncle America has a couch to crash on. That, to me, is a lazy solution to a problem that will not go away until things change abroad. It's never easy, but it is necessary. Outside of intervention subversively/militarily, is it possible for the US to help the people of those countries achieve this faster? Serious question I often ponder, without much conclusion. Sanctions harm the people, due to exploitative power structures. How do we help, unobtrusively as possible? I feel that if people genuinely gave a fuck about these "refugees", this would be concern number one. People will continue to suffer and flee, so long as people are complacent and can simply leave. Nothing will change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 6:39:54 PM #70:	Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders. Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive They would have came in and then what? Also, maybe we do need immigration reform. What we don't need is a hostile, militarized border. This isn't an invasion. Figure the shit out calmly. The military shouldn't even be a thought for this in a civilized nation. You're basically asking for a fight when you treat the border like a damn war. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913145782] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come</quote> Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders.</quote> Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive</quote> They would have came in and then what? Also, maybe we do need immigration reform. What we don't need is a hostile, militarized border. This isn't an invasion. Figure the shit out calmly. The military shouldn't even be a thought for this in a civilized nation. You're basically asking for a fight when you treat the border like a damn war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 6:44:15 PM #71:	hockeybub89 posted... This isn't an invasion. It is when you consider they send these caravans multiple times. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913146038] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>This isn't an invasion. </quote> It is when you consider they send these caravans multiple times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 6:44:17 PM #72:	midgar posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way? The alternative is for another country to get involved, which no one likes. But yes, who cares if those countries go to shit perpetually, so long as uncle America has a couch to crash on. That, to me, is a lazy solution to a problem that will not go away until things change abroad. It's never easy, but it is necessary. Outside of intervention subversively/militarily, is it possible for the US to help the people of those countries achieve this faster? Serious question I often ponder, without much conclusion. Sanctions harm the people, due to exploitative power structures. How do we help, unobtrusively as possible? I feel that if people genuinely gave a fuck about these "refugees", this would be concern number one. People will continue to suffer and flee, so long as people are complacent and can simply leave. Nothing will change. What should we do? Everyone shuts their borders and people are forces to revolt or die? "No you must fix the awful problems in the arbitrary lines that you had no choice of being born into! No running off like a coward!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913146041] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote> Yes of course history sure has proven that overthrowing an oppressive government is easy when you have nothing and just want a better life for your children, hows Syria doing by the way?</quote> The alternative is for another country to get involved, which no one likes. But yes, who cares if those countries go to shit perpetually, so long as uncle America has a couch to crash on. That, to me, is a lazy solution to a problem that will not go away until things change abroad. It's never easy, but it is necessary. Outside of intervention subversively/militarily, is it possible for the US to help the people of those countries achieve this faster? Serious question I often ponder, without much conclusion. Sanctions harm the people, due to exploitative power structures. How do we help, unobtrusively as possible? I feel that if people genuinely gave a fuck about these "refugees", this would be concern number one. People will continue to suffer and flee, so long as people are complacent and can simply leave. Nothing will change.</quote> What should we do? Everyone shuts their borders and people are forces to revolt or die? "No you must fix the awful problems in the arbitrary lines that you had no choice of being born into! No running off like a coward!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 6:45:16 PM #73:	RiderofHogs posted... hockeybub89 posted... This isn't an invasion. It is when you consider they send these caravans multiple times. Who is they? Sending to do what? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913146095] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>This isn't an invasion. </quote> It is when you consider they send these caravans multiple times.</quote> Who is they? Sending to do what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 11/27/18 6:45:55 PM #74:	hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders. Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive They would have came in and then what? Also, maybe we do need immigration reform. What we don't need is a hostile, militarized border. This isn't an invasion. Figure the shit out calmly. The military shouldn't even be a thought for this in a civilized nation. You're basically asking for a fight when you treat the border like a damn war. What do you mean and then what? Who knows? No one knows who they are and they just came into our country. Military needs to be there for reinforcement when we have people grouping up in the thousands saying they are going to try and get past our border. Theres nothing to figure out. We need to keep our border secure and it's very evident people are willing to not follow the process, as seen this past Sunday. There's no real reason to oppose measures that will strengthen our border and prevent more from coming in. The wall and troops isn't as costly as many things in our country. But, that's the popular argument. The truth, though, is they oppose the wall and military because they want them in. They want to make it as easy as possible for people to jump the border --- Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' <cite>Houston posted [p:913146124] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come</quote> Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders.</quote> Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive</quote> They would have came in and then what? Also, maybe we do need immigration reform. What we don't need is a hostile, militarized border. This isn't an invasion. Figure the shit out calmly. The military shouldn't even be a thought for this in a civilized nation. You're basically asking for a fight when you treat the border like a damn war.</quote> What do you mean and then what? Who knows? No one knows who they are and they just came into our country. Military needs to be there for reinforcement when we have people grouping up in the thousands saying they are going to try and get past our border. Theres nothing to figure out. We need to keep our border secure and it's very evident people are willing to not follow the process, as seen this past Sunday. There's no real reason to oppose measures that will strengthen our border and prevent more from coming in. The wall and troops isn't as costly as many things in our country. But, that's the popular argument. The truth, though, is they oppose the wall and military because they want them in. They want to make it as easy as possible for people to jump the border</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/27/18 6:47:42 PM #75:	Chemical weapons (which tear gas is categorized as) are banned by the Chemical Weapon Convention Protocol which went into force in 1997. Although it is authorized for use by police forces to control situations like riot situations, the question I have is whether or not a country is authorized to use it when it is crossing into foreign territory and affecting an innocent foreign population... --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:913146225] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>Chemical weapons (which tear gas is categorized as) are banned by the Chemical Weapon Convention Protocol which went into force in 1997. Although it is authorized for use by police forces to control situations like riot situations, the question I have is whether or not a country is authorized to use it when it is crossing into foreign territory and affecting an innocent foreign population...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 6:47:54 PM #76:	hockeybub89 posted... RiderofHogs posted... hockeybub89 posted... This isn't an invasion. It is when you consider they send these caravans multiple times. Who is they? Sending to do what? No idea, but they are not the first caravan and they will not be the last. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913146236] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>This isn't an invasion. </quote> It is when you consider they send these caravans multiple times.</quote> Who is they? Sending to do what?</quote> No idea, but they are not the first caravan and they will not be the last.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 11/27/18 6:50:43 PM #77:	If we don't want them, we should ask Canada if they do, and offer to shuttle them across. Better than teargassing them I feel. --- https://imgur.com/yNe3tUF 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 "But not forgotten." <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:913146397] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>If we don't want them, we should ask Canada if they do, and offer to shuttle them across. Better than teargassing them I feel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/27/18 6:51:00 PM #78:	hockeybub89 posted... What should we do? Everyone shuts their borders and people are forces to revolt or die? "No you must fix the awful problems in the arbitrary lines that you had no choice of being born into! No running off like a coward!" A friendly reminder that I'm not, nor would I suggest that borders be closed or we be inhospitable to people seeking legal passage/citizenship. However, yes, enforce the god damn laws as fairly and compassionately as possible. You want to roll up en masse by the thousands? Expect a fucking que. Storming the gate won't do. Sorry. That shit doesn't fly, anywhere. It doesn't matter if the entire US military is there or one dude with a whiffleball bat. There is a process. Respect it or you're breaking the law. But yes, the process should be more streamlined and accommodating, but showing up in the thousands exacerbates things. And again, how can we help these people improve their lives and condition back home? That is a sincere, compassionate question, that if we had an answer for could help more people in the long run. --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:913146421] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> What should we do? Everyone shuts their borders and people are forces to revolt or die? "No you must fix the awful problems in the arbitrary lines that you had no choice of being born into! No running off like a coward!"</quote> A friendly reminder that I'm not, nor would I suggest that borders be closed or we be inhospitable to people seeking legal passage/citizenship. However, yes, enforce the god damn laws as fairly and compassionately as possible. You want to roll up en masse by the thousands? Expect a fucking que. Storming the gate won't do. Sorry. That shit doesn't fly, anywhere. It doesn't matter if the entire US military is there or one dude with a whiffleball bat. There is a process. Respect it or you're breaking the law. But yes, the process should be more streamlined and accommodating, but showing up in the thousands exacerbates things. And again, how can we help these people improve their lives and condition back home? That is a sincere, compassionate question, that if we had an answer for could help more people in the long run.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 6:51:59 PM #79:	Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... hockeybub89 posted... Houston posted... Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong! Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders. Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive They would have came in and then what? Also, maybe we do need immigration reform. What we don't need is a hostile, militarized border. This isn't an invasion. Figure the shit out calmly. The military shouldn't even be a thought for this in a civilized nation. You're basically asking for a fight when you treat the border like a damn war. What do you mean and then what? Who knows? No one knows who they are and they just came into our country. Military needs to be there for reinforcement when we have people grouping up in the thousands saying they are going to try and get past our border. Theres nothing to figure out. We need to keep our border secure and it's very evident people are willing to not follow the process, as seen this past Sunday. There's no real reason to oppose measures that will strengthen our border and prevent more from coming in. The wall and troops isn't as costly as many things in our country. But, that's the popular argument. The truth, though, is they oppose the wall and military because they want them in. They want to make it as easy as possible for people to jump the border But we don't need to strengthen the border and we don't need to oppose people from even getting to the border. America isn't to blame for illegal immigration and the problem was actually lessening even during the later years of the Obama administration. Again, militarizing the border and turning hostile is just asking people to fight. Which might even be what Republicans wants to prove their case, despite people coming into America every day for its entire existence without throwing a single rock. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913146483] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Houston posted...</cite> <quote>Just a couple weeks ago liberals on this board were mocking Trump for sending troops. Now we see why it's necessary. They've added tremendous support setting up razor wire and Trump has authorized them to take on a larger role. And authorized deadly force if necessary</quote> You're right. First they were mocking and now they're disgusted. Sure proves them wrong!</quote> Of course many are disgusted. They dont want any enforcement, just let them walk right in. But rational thinking people can see why it's a problem. And they can see the problem is now at our border, just like Trump said it would be. It's right on our doorstep and there's more to come</quote> Ok? And we don't need an armed military presence and some dumbass wall to have borders and a citizenship process. People want to criticize an isolated tribe that's thousands of years in the past, yet behave just like them when it comes to outsiders.</quote> Are you unaware of what just transpired? They were not at a checkpoint. If no one was there to stop them, they would have just came right in. You're pretty naive</quote> They would have came in and then what? Also, maybe we do need immigration reform. What we don't need is a hostile, militarized border. This isn't an invasion. Figure the shit out calmly. The military shouldn't even be a thought for this in a civilized nation. You're basically asking for a fight when you treat the border like a damn war.</quote> What do you mean and then what? Who knows? No one knows who they are and they just came into our country. Military needs to be there for reinforcement when we have people grouping up in the thousands saying they are going to try and get past our border. Theres nothing to figure out. We need to keep our border secure and it's very evident people are willing to not follow the process, as seen this past Sunday. There's no real reason to oppose measures that will strengthen our border and prevent more from coming in. The wall and troops isn't as costly as many things in our country. But, that's the popular argument. The truth, though, is they oppose the wall and military because they want them in. They want to make it as easy as possible for people to jump the border</quote> But we don't need to strengthen the border and we don't need to oppose people from even getting to the border. America isn't to blame for illegal immigration and the problem was actually lessening even during the later years of the Obama administration. Again, militarizing the border and turning hostile is just asking people to fight. Which might even be what Republicans wants to prove their case, despite people coming into America every day for its entire existence without throwing a single rock.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/27/18 6:52:04 PM #80:	Malcrasternus posted... If we don't want them, we should ask Canada if they do, and offer to shuttle them across. Better than teargassing them I feel. Canada loves immigrants and this tactic works for Mexico. I'd ship it. ~~Literally.~~ --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:913146492] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcrasternus posted...</cite> <quote>If we don't want them, we should ask Canada if they do, and offer to shuttle them across. Better than teargassing them I feel.</quote> Canada loves immigrants and this tactic works for Mexico. I'd ship it. Literally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/27/18 6:53:18 PM #81:	Also people don't seem to consider the human factor as it pertains to the US troops that were deployed there. I keep seeing them reference the troops as some necessary super force authorized to use lethal force (allegedly, though the DoD made it clear they were to be there strictly in an unarmed support capacity. I haven't read any news lately but I can't imagine that that changed so radically in the last week. It was US Border Patrol agents who were launching the tear gas, not the deployed US military). In reality, those are people who would have otherwise had a happy quiet holiday period at home with their families, and instead they're being sent to the desert in conditions where they're restricted to minimal shower times and MREs for basically no purpose other than to set up some wire at the border. That already reduces morale a lot. Add to that the stress and anxiety of having to deal with these masses being tear gassed and a situation spiraling out of control, and now you're subjecting thousands of people to some pretty horrific scenes for pretty much no reason other than to flex your muscle. I'm for protecting the border, but how that's done needs to be calculated and well planned out. That's not how it was done here. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:913146561] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>Also people don't seem to consider the human factor as it pertains to the US troops that were deployed there. I keep seeing them reference the troops as some necessary super force authorized to use lethal force (allegedly, though the DoD made it clear they were to be there strictly in an unarmed support capacity. I haven't read any news lately but I can't imagine that that changed so radically in the last week. It was US Border Patrol agents who were launching the tear gas, not the deployed US military). In reality, those are people who would have otherwise had a happy quiet holiday period at home with their families, and instead they're being sent to the desert in conditions where they're restricted to minimal shower times and MREs for basically no purpose other than to set up some wire at the border. That already reduces morale a lot. Add to that the stress and anxiety of having to deal with these masses being tear gassed and a situation spiraling out of control, and now you're subjecting thousands of people to some pretty horrific scenes for pretty much no reason other than to flex your muscle. I'm for protecting the border, but how that's done needs to be calculated and well planned out. That's not how it was done here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/27/18 6:56:31 PM #82:	midgar posted... And again, how can we help these people improve their lives and condition back home? That is a sincere, compassionate question, that if we had an answer for could help more people in the long run. I don't think we should help tbh --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:913146786] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>And again, how can we help these people improve their lives and condition back home? That is a sincere, compassionate question, that if we had an answer for could help more people in the long run.</quote> I don't think we should help tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
midgar 11/27/18 6:59:00 PM #83:	hockeybub89 posted... midgar posted... And again, how can we help these people improve their lives and condition back home? That is a sincere, compassionate question, that if we had an answer for could help more people in the long run. I don't think we should help tbh I'm all for respecting every country's sovereignty, but... the alternative is just to what? Weather the storm and hope they get their shit together? Perpetually take in every person without hesitation? Not helping would literally be shutting the borders and putting up a big 'fuck you' sign, I think. --- Now playing: Games <cite>midgar posted [p:913146916] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>midgar posted...</cite> <quote>And again, how can we help these people improve their lives and condition back home? That is a sincere, compassionate question, that if we had an answer for could help more people in the long run.</quote> I don't think we should help tbh</quote> I'm all for respecting every country's sovereignty, but... the alternative is just to what? Weather the storm and hope they get their shit together? Perpetually take in every person without hesitation? Not helping would literally be shutting the borders and putting up a big 'fuck you' sign, I think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 11/27/18 7:01:09 PM #84:	Hexenherz posted... (allegedly, though the DoD made it clear they were to be there strictly in an unarmed support capacity. I haven't read any news lately but I can't imagine that that changed so radically in the last week. It was US Border Patrol agents who were launching the tear gas, not the deployed US military). This is apparently the latest, as of about 6 days ago. Is this what you're referring to? The "decision memorandum" was signed by President Donald Trump on Tuesday and ran through Derek S. Lyons, a Harvard-educated lawyer and White House staff secretary to John Kelly, the White House chief of staff and former U.S. Marine general. The documents were obtained from a Defense Department source. Kelly signed the memo late Tuesday authorizing U.S. service members to perform military protective activities, allowing service members to use a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention, and cursory search, as determined by Defense Secretary James Mattis to protect agents with Customs and Border Protection (CPB). --- Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' <cite>Houston posted [p:913147065] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>(allegedly, though the DoD made it clear they were to be there strictly in an unarmed support capacity. I haven't read any news lately but I can't imagine that that changed so radically in the last week. It was US Border Patrol agents who were launching the tear gas, not the deployed US military).</quote> This is apparently the latest, as of about 6 days ago. Is this what you're referring to? The "decision memorandum" was signed by President Donald Trump on Tuesday and ran through Derek S. Lyons, a Harvard-educated lawyer and White House staff secretary to John Kelly, the White House chief of staff and former U.S. Marine general. The documents were obtained from a Defense Department source. Kelly signed the memo late Tuesday authorizing U.S. service members to perform military protective activities, allowing service members to use a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention, and cursory search, as determined by Defense Secretary James Mattis to protect agents with Customs and Border Protection (CPB). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 11/27/18 7:02:26 PM #85:	YodaCrackers posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:913147154] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>YodaCrackers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry.</quote> Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry.</quote> Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 11/27/18 7:05:49 PM #86:	Hexenherz posted... I'm for protecting the border, but how that's done needs to be calculated and well planned out. How would you suggest stopping groups of hundreds at a time, or more, from crossing into the border? Razor wire and tear gas when people are approaching with intent to cross seems to be a good start, and so far, effective. We don't have enough border patrol agents to protect one part of the border (and able to simultaneously protect the other 2,000 miles) where hundreds or even thousands are going to try and attempt to rush (as some did Sunday). It takes man power to as safely as possible hold back hundreds of people. --- Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' <cite>Houston posted [p:913147375] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>I'm for protecting the border, but how that's done needs to be calculated and well planned out.</quote> How would you suggest stopping groups of hundreds at a time, or more, from crossing into the border? Razor wire and tear gas when people are approaching with intent to cross seems to be a good start, and so far, effective. We don't have enough border patrol agents to protect one part of the border (and able to simultaneously protect the other 2,000 miles) where hundreds or even thousands are going to try and attempt to rush (as some did Sunday). It takes man power to as safely as possible hold back hundreds of people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thaddeus_J_Pibb 11/27/18 7:19:35 PM #87:	Smashingpmkns posted... YodaCrackers posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!" <cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted [p:913148264] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YodaCrackers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry.</quote> Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry.</quote> Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children.</quote> "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/27/18 8:52:10 PM #89:	Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted... Smashingpmkns posted... YodaCrackers posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!" His name is from Smashing Pumpkins. Of course he operates on emotion rather than logic. <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:913153762] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YodaCrackers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry.</quote> Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry.</quote> Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children.</quote> "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!"</quote> His name is from Smashing Pumpkins. Of course he operates on emotion rather than logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JediMasterTrump 11/27/18 8:54:39 PM #90:	Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted... Smashingpmkns posted... YodaCrackers posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!" <cite>JediMasterTrump posted [p:913153935] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YodaCrackers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry.</quote> Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry.</quote> Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children.</quote> "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/27/18 8:57:03 PM #91:	Malcrasternus posted... If we don't want them, we should ask Canada if they do, and offer to shuttle them across. Huh. That's not a bad idea at all. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:913154083] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcrasternus posted...</cite> <quote>If we don't want them, we should ask Canada if they do, and offer to shuttle them across.</quote> Huh. That's not a bad idea at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 11/27/18 9:06:56 PM #92:	If you catch an illegal immigrant from a hot country, make them live in Alaska. If you can an illegal immigrant from a cold country, make them live in Arizona. <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:913154682] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>If you catch an illegal immigrant from a hot country, make them live in Alaska. If you can an illegal immigrant from a cold country, make them live in Arizona.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 11/27/18 9:33:45 PM #93:	SaithSayer posted... Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted... Smashingpmkns posted... YodaCrackers posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!" His name is from Smashing Pumpkins. Of course he operates on emotion rather than logic. You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? Its fucking monstrous lol --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:913156162] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaithSayer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>YodaCrackers posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. </quote> Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. </quote> Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. </quote> "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!"</quote> His name is from Smashing Pumpkins. Of course he operates on emotion rather than logic.</quote> You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? Its fucking monstrous lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 11/27/18 9:46:27 PM #94:	Doom_Art posted... I don't particularly care about the tear gas in and of itself, but the sheer happiness and glee some people are getting from seeing these people gassed is what disturbs me. Who's doing that? I know lots of people are glad that the borders are actually being protected, but I very much doubt that anyone is specifically taking delight in the idea of people choking on on tear gas. There's a big difference between the two. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:913156876] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I don't particularly care about the tear gas in and of itself, but the sheer happiness and glee some people are getting from seeing these people gassed is what disturbs me.</quote> Who's doing that? I know lots of people are glad that the borders are actually being protected, but I very much doubt that anyone is specifically taking delight in the idea of people choking on on tear gas. There's a big difference between the two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 10:03:20 PM #95:	Smashingpmkns posted... You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? More logical than using your own children as a shield. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913157818] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? </quote> More logical than using your own children as a shield.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 11/27/18 10:06:27 PM #96:	RiderofHogs posted... Smashingpmkns posted... You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? More logical than using your own children as a shield. Except that's a disgusting exaggeration of what's happening. Tear gassing asylum seekers for one is awful. Tear gassing the children of asylum seekers is on a whole other level of awfulness --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:913157996] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? </quote> More logical than using your own children as a shield.</quote> Except that's a disgusting exaggeration of what's happening. Tear gassing asylum seekers for one is awful. Tear gassing the children of asylum seekers is on a whole other level of awfulness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 11/27/18 10:28:32 PM #97:	Smashingpmkns posted... RiderofHogs posted... Smashingpmkns posted... You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? More logical than using your own children as a shield. Except that's a disgusting exaggeration of what's happening. Tear gassing asylum seekers for one is awful. Tear gassing the children of asylum seekers is on a whole other level of awfulness How is it not what is happening? They were putting their own kids in front as a shield. --- I'll be riding shotgun, underneath the hot sun, Feeling like a someone. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:913159115] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? </quote> More logical than using your own children as a shield.</quote> Except that's a disgusting exaggeration of what's happening. Tear gassing asylum seekers for one is awful. Tear gassing the children of asylum seekers is on a whole other level of awfulness</quote> How is it not what is happening? They were putting their own kids in front as a shield.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/27/18 10:34:20 PM #98:	I asked this in another thread as well, but what should the response be to those who desperately try to force their way into a country without going through the proper channels? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:913159390] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote>I asked this in another thread as well, but what should the response be to those who desperately try to force their way into a country without going through the proper channels?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/27/18 10:58:47 PM #99:	Dragonblade01 posted... I asked this in another thread as well, but what should the response be to those who desperately try to force their way into a country without going through the proper channels? Arrested upon entry --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:913160531] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>I asked this in another thread as well, but what should the response be to those who desperately try to force their way into a country without going through the proper channels?</quote> Arrested upon entry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thaddeus_J_Pibb 11/27/18 11:01:00 PM #100:	Smashingpmkns posted... SaithSayer posted... Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted... Smashingpmkns posted... YodaCrackers posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!" His name is from Smashing Pumpkins. Of course he operates on emotion rather than logic. You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? Its fucking monstrous lol Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted... "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!" <cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted [p:913160632] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaithSayer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>YodaCrackers posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Tear gassing children makes us the bad guys,sorry. </quote> Bringing a child into a violent mob makes you a bad parent, sorry. </quote> Doesn't change that we are terrible fucking people for tear gassing children. </quote> "Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!"</quote> His name is from Smashing Pumpkins. Of course he operates on emotion rather than logic.</quote> You're saying it's logical to tear gas children that have no choice in the matter? Its fucking monstrous lol</quote> <cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted...</cite> <quote>"Well they've got kids with em, better just give them whatever they want and let them do whatever feels right. Our hands are tied!"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 11/27/18 11:04:31 PM #101:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Dragonblade01 posted... I asked this in another thread as well, but what should the response be to those who desperately try to force their way into a country without going through the proper channels? Arrested upon entry Interesting. So we shouldn't prevent people from illegally entering the country, only arrest them after the fact? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:913160805] in Why is sho... [t:77242945]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>I asked this in another thread as well, but what should the response be to those who desperately try to force their way into a country without going through the proper channels?</quote> Arrested upon entry</quote> Interesting. So we shouldn't prevent people from illegally entering the country, only arrest them after the fact?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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