Board 8 > Pours one out for the Noble Nine. In the end it wasn't Crono, Sonic or Snake

(+) Yeah! (+)

As we all would have assumed years ago.

But poor MegaMan who finally broke once and for all the Noble Nine.

If someone else (besides Seph or Mario) loses this round I say we also say they broke the Noble Nine.

I cant imagine Sonic or Samus losing.... but Snake....

Yeah.

RIP boys. One hell of a run, its a shame this site has become such a joke you are no longer 9 unassailable gods.

I think it's more of a joke that there WERE 9 unassailable gods tbh
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I think it's more of a joke that there WERE 9 unassailable gods tbh

Not really....

VII
CT
Super Metroid
ALttP/OoT
MGS
MegaMan series
Sonic series.
Super Mario series

Yeah, no one should be beating main characters from those games...

Im willing to give you Seph, but he had so many iconic moments in that game that live forever that it seems fair for him too.

Noble Nine was vanquished a long time ago. It was just the board saying nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala that has kept the concept alive over the years.
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If missingno doesn't count bonus registered votes don't either!!!!
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StifledSilence posted...

Noble Nine was vanquished a long time ago. It was just the board saying nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala that has kept the concept alive over the years.

This is stupid and I hope everyone knows it....

Imagine if a college basketball team beat the undefeated Super Bowl champions in baseball...... would anyone be fucking dumb enough to say that team wasnt undefeated now.

FinaIFantasy posted...

Im willing to give you Seph, but he had so many iconic moments in that game that live forever that it seems fair for him too.

i think that's actually bane's favourite n9

Noble 9 has never died !!! ******

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See we changed the rules
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pjbasis posted...

If missingno doesn't count bonus registered votes don't either!!!!

There is no excuse if its one on one 24 hours and no cheating.

(MissingNo cheated as well as being 12 hours)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77246713
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It was more of a fun logical observation- it just happened to take 8 1v1 contests (or however many it has been) for it to no longer apply
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77246713

Yeah. Its an awesome topic.

StifledSilence posted...

Noble Nine was vanquished a long time ago. It was just the board saying nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala that has kept the concept alive over the years.

i think fatal 4-ways are different enough that it's a real argument against l-block. the noble nine was defeated by missingno, but was still worth talking about because we'd all take crono again today. i think it was something worth talking about as long as it seemed most likely they were the strongest characters on the site under most circumstances. i think that is what was proven to not be true yesterday.

i also think it's really obtuse to step on this conversation every time with WELL IT WAS BEAT BEFORE HA HA like you don't understand the real premise. but maybe i'm giving people too much credit and they're actually like, dumb.

STElNER posted...

i also think it's really obtuse to step on this conversation every time with WELL IT WAS BEAT BEFORE HA HA like you don't understand the real premise. but maybe i'm giving people too much credit and they're actually like, dumb.

I dont think its obtuse at all to point this out in topics where people pretend the N9 never lost before because reasons. Spamming it is annoying, sure. But the fact is they were not some undefeated force until Pikachu this year.
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FinaIFantasy posted...

StifledSilence posted...

Noble Nine was vanquished a long time ago. It was just the board saying nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala that has kept the concept alive over the years.

This is stupid and I hope everyone knows it....

Imagine if a college basketball team beat the undefeated Super Bowl champions in baseball...... would anyone be fucking dumb enough to say that team wasnt undefeated now.

This comparison makes no sense at all. All of the contests have been in the form of polls. Pikachu did not challenge Mega Man to weightlifting or whatever. Slight format change =/= complete change of sport.
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StifledSilence posted...

nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala

i understand there are a few people who argued this way, but framing the whole thing this way is what i was referring to as obtuse.

StifledSilence posted...

STElNER posted...

i also think it's really obtuse to step on this conversation every time with WELL IT WAS BEAT BEFORE HA HA like you don't understand the real premise. but maybe i'm giving people too much credit and they're actually like, dumb.

I dont think its obtuse at all to point this out in topics where people pretend the N9 never lost before because reasons. Spamming it is annoying, sure. But the fact is they were not some undefeated force until Pikachu this year.

They were....
Legitimately anyway.

Pikachu is the first match EVER where you can leave and say without ANY shadow of a doubt. This guy was stronger.

No cheating, no missing half the voting, no other characters to siphon votes...

STElNER posted...

StifledSilence posted...

nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala

i understand there are a few people who argued this way, but framing the whole thing this way is what i was referring to as obtuse.

That year of the 4-ways...it was way more than just a few. At least half of the board lost its shit over N9 loses. But yeah, it has certainly calmed down some since then.
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okay, considering it was mwc you were responding to, maybe i shouldn't go so hard

since he is arguing that i guess

StifledSilence posted...

FinaIFantasy posted...

StifledSilence posted...

Noble Nine was vanquished a long time ago. It was just the board saying nah this format doesnt count *puts hands over ears* lalalalala that has kept the concept alive over the years.

This is stupid and I hope everyone knows it....

Imagine if a college basketball team beat the undefeated Super Bowl champions in baseball...... would anyone be fucking dumb enough to say that team wasnt undefeated now.

This comparison makes no sense at all. All of the contests have been in the form of polls. Pikachu did not challenge Mega Man to weightlifting or whatever. Slight format change =/= complete change of sport.

K...

If there is an undefeated college football team, and all of a sudden they lost in a 4 way because 2 other teams ganged up on them....

Or one year we decided basketball is 24 minutes instead of 48 and there is no halftime despite the fact theyve spent their whole life doing the other.... that loss somehow counts....

It's perfectly fair to delegitimize victories from joke entrants like Missingno or rallied characters like Draven if you're trying to gauge the true "popularity" of a character on the site. This was a match that definitively demonstrated that Pikachu is a more popular gaming icon here than Mega Man--and really was the first of its kind to do so against any NNers since the contests started.
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This was a match that definitively demonstrated that Pikachu is a more popular gaming icon here than Mega Man

MM lost by such a small margin that it's hardly definitive. He could very well win the potential rematch in a few days. If anything, it means the two are roughly equal in strength. Same with X and Tifa.
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Its just the terrific thirteen now, with Pikachu, Fox, Aerith, And Zelda
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VeryInsane posted...

Its just the terrific thirteen now, with Pikachu, Fox, Aerith, And Zelda

What about MissingNo.?
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hombad46 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Its just the terrific thirteen now, with Pikachu, Fox, Aerith, And Zelda

What about MissingNo.?

And squirtle
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Wreath posted...

hombad46 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Its just the terrific thirteen now, with Pikachu, Fox, Aerith, And Zelda

What about MissingNo.?

And squirtle

And the 16 other characters who have a transitive 1v1 win over NN, and Jay Solano if he counts
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Missingo was a 12 Hour match which would add Auron which would open a new can of worms...

Squall
Vincent
Ganondorf
Magus
Knuckles
Zero
Luigi
Yoshi
Tifa
Bowser
Charizard
Alucard
Sora
Red
Mega Man X

I think thats everyone
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VeryInsane posted...

Missingo was a 12 Hour match which would add Auron which would open a new can of worms...

Squall
Vincent
Ganondorf
Magus
Knuckles
Zero
Luigi
Yoshi
Tifa
Bowser
Charizard
Alucard
Sora
Red
Mega Man X

I think thats everyone

This seems like a good summary of the upper midcarders?
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In the end, I can't think of a better character to break the Noble Nine than Pikachu. The yellow rat is easily one of the most famous gaming icons, and he wouldn't have been out of place at all if he was this strong from the beginning. I feel this is less a fall for the noble nine as much as it is Pikachu finally gaining his due strength.

Of course, Elusive Eleventh Doomguy has yet to appear in a contest, but I'm sure he'll shatter his way through the upper echelons once he makes a contest.
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CasanovaZelos posted...

In the end, I can't think of a better character to break the Noble Nine than Pikachu. The yellow rat is easily one of the most famous gaming icons, and he wouldn't have been out of place at all if he was this strong from the beginning. I feel this is less a fall for the noble nine as much as it is Pikachu finally gaining his due strength.

I'll never understand how Pokemon has increased in strength here over the years, when the peak popularity was probably 1999. I guess Smash is a huge factor.
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FinaIFantasy posted...

StifledSilence posted...

STElNER posted...

i also think it's really obtuse to step on this conversation every time with WELL IT WAS BEAT BEFORE HA HA like you don't understand the real premise. but maybe i'm giving people too much credit and they're actually like, dumb.

I dont think its obtuse at all to point this out in topics where people pretend the N9 never lost before because reasons. Spamming it is annoying, sure. But the fact is they were not some undefeated force until Pikachu this year.

They were....
Legitimately anyway.

Pikachu is the first match EVER where you can leave and say without ANY shadow of a doubt. This guy was stronger.

No cheating, no missing half the voting, no other characters to siphon votes...

This match was missing half the vote though. My vote was double my friend who isn't registered. Half.
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TomNook posted...

FinaIFantasy posted...

StifledSilence posted...

STElNER posted...

i also think it's really obtuse to step on this conversation every time with WELL IT WAS BEAT BEFORE HA HA like you don't understand the real premise. but maybe i'm giving people too much credit and they're actually like, dumb.

I dont think its obtuse at all to point this out in topics where people pretend the N9 never lost before because reasons. Spamming it is annoying, sure. But the fact is they were not some undefeated force until Pikachu this year.

They were....
Legitimately anyway.

Pikachu is the first match EVER where you can leave and say without ANY shadow of a doubt. This guy was stronger.

No cheating, no missing half the voting, no other characters to siphon votes...

This match was missing half the vote though. My vote was double my friend who isn't registered. Half.

Your vote should count in the GameFAQs contest anyway. His absolutely should not.

I would have made it so GFs votes counted 100 times more.

Something to note is that we can expect Pikachu to still be strong in another contest and he is the only one to have stay consistent or gotten stronger with time (during the last contests). For a while you could say Vincent was consistent too but now, welll...
I feel like that makes Pikachu's win is more meaningful because L-Block and Missingno (who did break the streak) were one off.

FinaIFantasy posted...

StifledSilence posted...

STElNER posted...

i also think it's really obtuse to step on this conversation every time with WELL IT WAS BEAT BEFORE HA HA like you don't understand the real premise. but maybe i'm giving people too much credit and they're actually like, dumb.

I dont think its obtuse at all to point this out in topics where people pretend the N9 never lost before because reasons. Spamming it is annoying, sure. But the fact is they were not some undefeated force until Pikachu this year.

They were....
Legitimately anyway.

Pikachu is the first match EVER where you can leave and say without ANY shadow of a doubt. This guy was stronger.

No cheating, no missing half the voting, no other characters to siphon votes...

such a weird view to hold when Pikachu literally got fewer votes than Mega Man.
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FinaIFantasy posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I think it's more of a joke that there WERE 9 unassailable gods tbh

Not really....

VII
CT
Super Metroid
ALttP/OoT
MGS
MegaMan series
Sonic series.
Super Mario series

Yeah, no one should be beating main characters from those games...

Im willing to give you Seph, but he had so many iconic moments in that game that live forever that it seems fair for him too.

Why should one of the biggest characters from Pokemon of all things not deserve to be on that level?
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Because most of Pikachu's fame is not due to the games? And overexposure eroded Pokemon until around the DS era, when it was finally acceptable to like the series again?
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Xuxon posted...

such a weird view to hold when Pikachu literally got fewer votes than Mega Man.

I'll never understand this argument.

In past contests, the complaint was "There's too much outside influence. GameFAQs isn't actually deciding this vote like they should."

This year, the complaint is "There's not enough outside influence. GameFAQS is deciding this vote, when we shouldn't."
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that isn't remotely what i said. there wasn't even a rally this time. it's just some of gamefaqs natural votes arbitrarily counting less.
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Breaking the NN needs to involve a character that can both beat one of the original members *and* be sustainable enough to take their place in future contests. Missingno obviously does not meet the latter definition. Pikachu? We'll see. Though if Zelda wins here, I'd say without a doubt she is the NN breaker. Pikachu needed registered board votes to beat one of the weakest members of the Noble Nine. With or without those votes, Zelda winning against one of the strongest members solidifies her place.
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As a streak, the Noble Nine was broken long ago.
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Yeah, every time someone beats a member of the Noble Nine, we have this argument about if this constitutes a "breaking" of the Noble Nine.

I first voted in one of these contests during an L-Block match in 2007, and I first became a Board 8 regular in the offseason between BGE2 and CBVIII. As a newcomer, I was one of the ones arguing for Missingno to be "added". But it was explained to me then that the Noble Nine was never about the streak. That was part of their prestige, but just because it ended doesn't take away from the fact that they were an elite force for years. And with all of the wacky formats we keep getting, and the weird rallies, believing that is the only way to stay sane. Not when a character can go from weak enough to lose to a character that's never won a match and a character that needed the supersized field just to make a contest to beating Link and then back to insanely weak.
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I'd consider a four way match where the competing pairs got like half the votes a legit break of the NN myself

If you wanna pitch obvious LFF affairs or joke entries I'd still argue Vincent > Crono in 07 was pretty on the level. Like I think ditching that one is more technicality based than ditching Pikachu > Mega Man
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