Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 6: Wavedashing is a hell of a drug

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benjamin3740
11/30/18 6:42:29 PM
#101:


htaeD posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
It's not possible Han plays this way as scum. It's not possible Scare plays this way as scum.

So let''s kill Lolo or Pendragon.


Its not possible for both situations to be not possible. So lets not.

Yes, I know. But another night reveals more info on which side is right.
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geno4smash4
11/30/18 6:44:20 PM
#102:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
Wait what? In what world could this be town town?? Scare might be one to lie, but he'd be an idiot to push it this far into the day. I don't think it could possibly be a facade on either side at this point; one of you is scum.

The idea that you seemingly almost want to just go halfway has me taken aback somewhat.


The idea of him being Town relies on the bolded part, yes.

geno4smash4 posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
I have a feeling Geno is going to remember his role as "Survivor".

I doubt, I remembered that switching alliances is pretty bastard so since I was told I'm town I will still be town after N2 ends.


That makes sense.

What if your role is Miller and you just haven't been told yet because eaed doesn't like our D1-Miller-Claim meta?

That would make a lot of sense, fits the flavor and is a role that is inconsequential.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 6:45:01 PM
#103:


benjamin3740 posted...
htaeD posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
It's not possible Han plays this way as scum. It's not possible Scare plays this way as scum.

So let''s kill Lolo or Pendragon.


Its not possible for both situations to be not possible. So lets not.

Yes, I know. But another night reveals more info on which side is right.

It's now or never ben... I find this deviation from the major feud to be a bad idea
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Doopliss_Power
11/30/18 6:45:04 PM
#104:


Terra-enforcer posted...
I dunno, that's too much for me to swallow. I've only seen that pulled once and actually work out because the circumstances were ripe for it.

Was it IGCD's double cop claim

I bet it was IGCD's double cop claim

Anyway, alternative lynches are bad and we're not doing them. One of Han and Scare is scum, and we're finding out which right when day ends.

Also it's Scare so vote him.
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benjamin3740
11/30/18 6:46:03 PM
#105:


Han how do you feel about another night potentially resolving anything?

I remember asking Scare this and he said NO because he has you "dead to rights".
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Terra-enforcer
11/30/18 6:46:11 PM
#106:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.


Nah, BG's die often.

From my experience, it's still very much a toss up. Definitely not worth waiting on this lynch debate for another day or two considering there's no blatantly clear target for a nk like there was last night.

Does BG take priority over Doctor here? Most circles I've seen that be the case, but I don't know if that has ever come up here before.
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htaeD
11/30/18 6:47:34 PM
#107:


Hell for all I know they are both scum and this was Scare's only way of getting out of the mess he created with his claim.

That said, in the end I am probably going with the plan to vote Han.
I would probably struggle more about this if it were later in the game, but right now I just cant see Scare doing this as scum more than I can. And if Han flips town, we will absolutely definitively lynch Scare next.
And in that case, I apologize in advance, Han. Mostly because I still feel a sympathetic bond with you from last game, heh. (and also to Chris, who could be yelling at us right now)

But...

##Vote: han

Oh yeah, and as for me.

I targeted Pendragon last night.
Thats all I am gonna say on the matter
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benjamin3740
11/30/18 6:47:42 PM
#108:


Terra-enforcer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.


Nah, BG's die often.

From my experience, it's still very much a toss up. Definitely not worth waiting on this lynch debate for another day or two considering there's no blatantly clear target for a nk like there was last night.

Does BG take priority over Doctor here? Most circles I've seen that be the case, but I don't know if that has ever come up here before.

Why are you asking that if you think one of them is scum?
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Terra-enforcer
11/30/18 6:48:13 PM
#109:


Doopliss_Power posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
I dunno, that's too much for me to swallow. I've only seen that pulled once and actually work out because the circumstances were ripe for it.

Was it IGCD's double cop claim

I bet it was IGCD's double cop claim

Anyway, alternative lynches are bad and we're not doing them. One of Han and Scare is scum, and we're finding out which right when day ends.

Also it's Scare so vote him.

lmao yup. That was simultaneously among the riskiest and smartest plays I've ever seen lol. He really struck gold with that one. But I would hope no one would ever take it that far again.

And yep 100% agreed (as I said before). This needs to be resolved tonight.
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Terra-enforcer
11/30/18 6:50:20 PM
#110:


benjamin3740 posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.


Nah, BG's die often.

From my experience, it's still very much a toss up. Definitely not worth waiting on this lynch debate for another day or two considering there's no blatantly clear target for a nk like there was last night.

Does BG take priority over Doctor here? Most circles I've seen that be the case, but I don't know if that has ever come up here before.

Why are you asking that if you think one of them is scum?

How are those two related? If Scare is scum, then we still have a BG and (very likely) a doc.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 6:50:27 PM
#111:


I finally understand fd when he says this is a risky gamble...
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 6:53:17 PM
#112:


benjamin3740 posted...
Han how do you feel about another night potentially resolving anything?

I remember asking Scare this and he said NO because he has you "dead to rights".


I don't think another night does resolve anything, unless another power role takes a look at one of us. It could be worth it to leave that avenue open. But it's impossible to ask a scanning role to commit to that anyway, without them outing themselves, which they absolutely shouldn't.

Now, leaving me alive DOES extend the possibility of me dying by using my power, which is confirming, so really that is the smart play. Scare cannot confirm himself through night action - but I can.

And still, right now, rereading through D1, my list has Scare as Scummish on it.

Anyway, I have an important post from Pendragon. I would like to direct your attention to how indifferent he is about a lot of people on it - most importantly, he has Townreads, but all the people who I think look Scummy he says nothing about... including Red.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 6:53:39 PM
#113:


Pendragon posted...
IOkay, full re-read is complete.
First, Doop's question. I don't exactly "prefer" to dump big walls rather than engage in the moment, it's more that I like to have them, because they keep me organized, but it takes time to make them. Especially when I've been gone for a while, I like to get my thoughts on everything that's happened while I'm gone.

Anyway, onto the big wall. Should be the last one for a while.

Ben:
It took me a while to figure out what I didn't like about you this game, but I've finally got it. For once, I'm not arriving to the exact same conclusions as you are about things. Whether that means you're scum remains to be seen. Neutral so far, maybe just slightly leaning scum on weird feelings about one or two things you've said.

Corrik (or, I suppose, hombad, now):
I really cannot read Corrik one way or the other, mostly because he seems to say a lot of things that he doesn't really mean. Neutral pending play from hombad.

Chris:
I kind of have to assume you're Town, because the alternative is that we're screwed. Which works out this time, because I actually think you are Town. There's one thing that you'll inevitably do to confirm this for me later, but for now, yeah.

Doop:
Like I said, it can be hard for me to decide how I feel about you sometimes. When you take it onto yourself to take a page from my book and do a player-by-player, though, I feel much more confident in saying you're Town.

Geno:
Pretty sure you're Town, both from being in Chris' confirmed Town book and from...well, let's be real, people don't do what you did on purpose. Scum especially.

Han:
I admit, I don't know you. Maybe you're always like this- never played with you before. What I do know is that it rubs me the wrong way, and not just the fact that you're targeting me.

HB:
See, things like this are the reason I re-read. I totally forgot you were new here. In that light, everything I thought was scummy is easily explained away. Plus, Chris vouches for you.

Death:
For how much you've been posting, I really have very little opinion on you one way or the other. Strange, that. I do commend you for going after geno, even if nothing really came of it- I'd have done the same, if I had been there.

Jedi:
Another new guy, but surprisingly competent. I like you for Town. Unrelated to reads, but I also love how Chris went all hostage negotiator with you when Corrik tried to attack you. 'Twas quite a laugh.

Lolo:
Similar to Death, I can't really tell whether you're Town or not. Except in your case, it's because I don't think I've played with you before.

Red:
I mean, everyone has it out for you, apparently because this isn't how you usually are. I wouldn't know. Reserving judgement for now.

Scare:
Yet another neutral read, maybe slightly Town for trying to provoke discussion a,onstage those who you admit you don't know.

FD:
Well, despite your taking offense to the way I phrased certain things, I have to say I have a mild Town read on you over all. You seem to know what you're doing, and you just generally make sense to me. What's your obsession with Sultan, though?

Shad:
Once again, Town gets mad when their reaction fishing is interrupted. That alone gives me a pretty strong read.

Sultan:
Pretty neutral overall, though I do like how you handled my (very weak) accusation. More likely Town than not.

Shonen:
I don't like how...not here you've been. Anything would be nice.

Terra:
Okay, you've literally not been here. Could I get an answer? Scum Terra likes to lurk, right?.

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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 6:56:36 PM
#114:


Also, for the record, Red went after me in all the following posts:

T1, P459
T1, P462 (which i called him Scum for)
T1, P475

He then spent the beginning of T2 arguing around his argument.

Chris even clears me for Red going after me in this post:

DoomTheGyarados posted...
Anyway let's do a bit of speculation just because I have been stressed all day, I am really projecting out here but let's just say my snap reads are right.

Scum:

Red
Doop
Jedi

Then let's get a town list going based off of that.

Corrik rule of four + red trying to get flavor for free
Shad rule of four
HB and Geno already on the list
Ben going after red let's toss that in
FD recognizing scum red
Red going after a town Han makes sense, very clumsy

8. htaeD (Death)
10. Lolo_Guru
11. Pendragon71037
13. ScareChan
16. Shonen_Bat
17. Terra-enforcer
18. TheSultanOfSlam

Leaves 2 scum in this batch.


Red talking this way about me is pretty strong evidence that I'm Town.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 6:56:42 PM
#115:


This is an old read list from pend.. what is it's significance now?
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ScareChan
11/30/18 6:56:48 PM
#116:


Pirate_Harris posted...
I'll say this... where's chris when ya need him

.screaming to lynch han
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 6:58:14 PM
#117:


Also throws shade on me in T2, P158, including being mad that I am voting him and he even preliminarily says I'm not good for being on him.
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Shonen_Bat
11/30/18 6:58:49 PM
#118:


grumble grumble

##Vote: Han

The whole "why not" bit of dancing around questions earlier gives me a bad feeling.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 6:58:50 PM
#119:


Pirate_Harris posted...
This is an old read list from pend.. what is it's significance now?


How many actual Scumreads are on it?

There are a few Townreads, but note it's people who everyone else has been saying are Town.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 6:59:13 PM
#120:


ScareChan posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
I'll say this... where's chris when ya need him

.screaming to lynch han

Han is leading in the votes scare
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:00:53 PM
#121:


Can we PLEASE unvote me?

You can just say you plan to, but please do not put me at -2.

I have not finished giving all the info I'm going to give. If you're going to lynch me, at least make sure you give me time to write up everything.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:01:17 PM
#122:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
This is an old read list from pend.. what is it's significance now?


How many actual Scumreads are on it?

There are a few Townreads, but note it's people who everyone else has been saying are Town.

There's a leaning scum for pend but that's it, everyone is neutral or town
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geno4smash4
11/30/18 7:01:37 PM
#123:


I feel like Han is a mistake, we gain more info by lynching Scare.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:02:46 PM
#124:


Just...

@Forceful_Dragon

Please unvote me so that I don't get early lynched by a bunch of newbies. You can vote me again at end of day, idc, just give me enough time to finish my reread and post my thoughts.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:03:21 PM
#125:


Scare, if han is town... do we have permission to lynch you?
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 7:05:14 PM
#126:


Han, I dont trust you. However, I wont vote you just yet. Make your points.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:05:15 PM
#127:


For the record, Chris Towncleared me.

So all of you voting me are saying that you are better than Chris.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:07:06 PM
#128:


@eaedwards6400 you never posted when deadline for the day was.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:08:17 PM
#129:


Han, I'm not gonna vote yet... i wanna hear what you got to say before i make the final judgement
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Doopliss_Power
11/30/18 7:08:22 PM
#130:


This is giving me deja vu of Day 1 where it's obvious to me that Jedi/Han are Town, but when I mention my reasoning everyone ignores it and votes them anyway, and I'm left wondering what else I'm supposed to do.

Like, so many of the votes on Han are partially based around "why would Scare do this" when Han being scum has to require him being a genius and then being a complete and utter moron several times in a row. Is Han thinking Chris is scum after trying to lead a train on Chris really hard to believe? Is Scare thinking he's got no chance of survival after confirmed Town Chris put his life on Scare being scum really that hard to believe? So many of these Han votes are "man this tiny explainable thing seems a little off" but Scare still has an awful claim punctuated by not following the flavor norms and combining the two scummiest claims outside of actually claiming scum.
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Shonen_Bat
11/30/18 7:08:24 PM
#131:


Okay, then. I want to hear you clear up your side of the claim debate that's taken up most of this day.

no 'why not' or evading with your own questions.

If you explain your mindset on that, from start to finish, I'll drop my vote for you on the spot.
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hombad46
11/30/18 7:10:03 PM
#132:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
@eaedwards6400 you never posted when deadline for the day was.

Rules in the first topic said each day phase is 48 hours, meaning today should end in 4 hours
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Doopliss_Power
11/30/18 7:10:34 PM
#133:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
For the record, Chris Towncleared me.

So all of you voting me are saying that you are better than Chris.

idk man I totally knew Jedi was Town the Doop/Chris debate looks pretty cut and dry to me /s
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:10:49 PM
#134:


hombad46 posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
@eaedwards6400 you never posted when deadline for the day was.

Rules in the first topic said each day phase is 48 hours, meaning today should end in 4 hours

4 hours?!
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 7:11:15 PM
#135:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
For the record, Chris Towncleared me.

So all of you voting me are saying that you are better than Chris.

Chris also towncleared Red and went after Jedi.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:12:54 PM
#136:


Shonen_Bat posted...
Okay, then. I want to hear you clear up your side of the claim debate that's taken up most of this day.

no 'why not' or evading with your own questions.

If you explain your mindset on that, from start to finish, I'll drop my vote for you on the spot.


Unvote me please. And then please clarify on what you expect from me? I've posted probably 50% of the posts this day? I know that's a lot, and I was being catty at certain points, but I've been completely upfront with everything.

And just in case some morons hammer me early, Lolo is more likely to be Scum than anyone in the game. Even Scare when I flip Town.

If I get lynched, you ABSOLUTELY kill Lolo. Get Scare first, but get Lolo right after. I'll go into detail about that once I finish my reread.
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hombad46
11/30/18 7:13:18 PM
#137:


Hbthebattle posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
For the record, Chris Towncleared me.

So all of you voting me are saying that you are better than Chris.

Chris also towncleared Red and went after Jedi.

HB, remember that Chris is likely the one that killed Red. He was probably so sure he was scum that he wanted to make sure he wasnt lynched so he could Falcon Punch him
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benjamin3740
11/30/18 7:13:34 PM
#138:


Terra-enforcer posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Han and Scare are both power claims. Leaving them alive right now will only leave us with more info after night action events. So I wouldn't mind an alternative lynch.

Except not. One is a supposed one shot doc/commuter, and the other is BG. Those are roles that literally cannot be proven unless 1) they're targeted in some way, or 2) they block a kill. And both are a toss up at best, especially when we also have to hope that the actual doc doesn't target the same person as one of them or the actual nk pick which would essentially give them a freebie. They could very easily (and in fact are likely to) report on nothing if they stay alive, which doesn't get us anywhere.


Nah, BG's die often.

From my experience, it's still very much a toss up. Definitely not worth waiting on this lynch debate for another day or two considering there's no blatantly clear target for a nk like there was last night.

Does BG take priority over Doctor here? Most circles I've seen that be the case, but I don't know if that has ever come up here before.

Why are you asking that if you think one of them is scum?

How are those two related? If Scare is scum, then we still have a BG and (very likely) a doc.

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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:13:35 PM
#139:


Also, to be clear, 10:42:16 PM EST is when the day should end. that gives us 3 and a half hours.
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:13:37 PM
#140:


I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 7:15:07 PM
#141:


hombad46 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
For the record, Chris Towncleared me.

So all of you voting me are saying that you are better than Chris.

Chris also towncleared Red and went after Jedi.

HB, remember that Chris is likely the one that killed Red. He was probably so sure he was scum that he wanted to make sure he wasnt lynched so he could Falcon Punch him

The point is that what Chris says, what Chris thinks, and reality dont always line up.
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hombad46
11/30/18 7:17:56 PM
#142:


Pirate_Harris posted...
I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?


https://imgur.com/ErV9uuj Essentially this
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:18:09 PM
#143:


Chris did not Townclear Red. He said that Red has answered well enough to not die "today".

Chris was totally hinting at killing Red that night.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 7:19:25 PM
#144:


Chris DID say Red was Town, but literally only said it to get FD to help him move onto Scare.

It was clearly said in a Chris attempt to push FD.

FD should be able to verify this.
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 7:19:58 PM
#145:


Pirate_Harris posted...
I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.
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benjamin3740
11/30/18 7:20:56 PM
#146:


##Vote: Scare

While I have had issue with a lot of Han's behavior and actions (Not using his bodygaurd last night wtf), I really really really can't see how they're scum decisions. He just has to be town, for a multitude of reasons. Or scum who made all the right moves to go 1 for 1 with Scare. In which case, you can have it. I really dont care.

And dammit I basically feel the same about Scare just with a little bit weaker confidence. His supposed scan on Han makes no sense as scum either. But apparently one of them has to be.

ANd I'd really rather go for Pendragon. Voting Scare now because I see Han passinjg SCare up in votes and I prefer this at the moment
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benjamin3740
11/30/18 7:21:49 PM
#147:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Can we PLEASE unvote me?

You can just say you plan to, but please do not put me at -2.

I have not finished giving all the info I'm going to give. If you're going to lynch me, at least make sure you give me time to write up everything.

And this is pretty towny too
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:22:05 PM
#148:


hombad46 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?


https://imgur.com/ErV9uuj Essentially this

Lol
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 7:23:51 PM
#149:


Hbthebattle posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.

Yeah but which result will happen first
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 7:26:16 PM
#150:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.

Yeah but which result will happen first

I hope its the lynch. I think its the lynch. But I dont know.
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