Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 6: Wavedashing is a hell of a drug

(+) Yeah! (+)

Alright so Han is definitely town.

We can kill Scare. Or Lolo or Pendragon. I urge you on Han to get off of him though. As one of the people who started out today in Han inquisition mode, I've changed my mind.
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but I've been completely upfront with everything.

This is an outright lie. Every time someone has asked you anything about the claim situation you've waved it away.

But... ##Unvote: Han

Why did you claim vanilla at the start of the game and then vanish without explaining anything?
Why did you claim your role incorrectly as metal blade before changing it to leaf shield (bodyguard)?
You already given some reasoning for this, but if you have anything else to say about why you didn't use your night action on Chris I'd like to hear it.
And, why have you generally been unwilling to give straightforward information about your role claims so far?

I'm hoping to understand why you're playing your claim the way you are and you've made it pretty hard to do that up to this point.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.

Yeah but which result will happen first

I hope its the lynch. I think its the lynch. But I dont know.

No I mean, which will happen first... we get a town or we get a scum... it could go either way for both han and scare
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.

Yeah but which result will happen first

I hope its the lynch. I think its the lynch. But I dont know.

No I mean, which will happen first... we get a town or we get a scum... it could go either way for both han and scare

My statement still applies.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.

Yeah but which result will happen first

I hope its the lynch. I think its the lynch. But I dont know.

No I mean, which will happen first... we get a town or we get a scum... it could go either way for both han and scare

My statement still applies.

Yes we will get a lynch... that's a definitive result I know this... but the lynch could possibly make or break this game depending on who was scum and who was town
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

I will ask this one question that is directed towards everyone...

What's your take on this entire day? Was it beneficial to finally find a definitive answer or was it just a waste of time?

Of course its not a waste. After today, we will have either lynched or found a scum, no matter who we pick.

Yeah but which result will happen first

I hope its the lynch. I think its the lynch. But I dont know.

No I mean, which will happen first... we get a town or we get a scum... it could go either way for both han and scare

My statement still applies.

Yes we will get a lynch... that's a definitive result I know this... but the lynch could possibly make or break this game depending on who was scum and who was town

If we mislynch, we guarantee a correct lynch next round. Losing today doesnt make us automatically lose.
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Ok, done with topic 2. I'm just going to post my thoughts here, then finish my case study on Lolo, then I'll probably be done rereading. My brain is turning to mush.

First, my reads...

Townish
FD - the way he approached Red earned him a spot on this list. He's playing today bad, and is by no means confirmed Town, but gut says he is so I'm just putting him here and counting on him to listen to my words when I flip.
HB - the way he interacts with people and approaches the game is very Towny. He HAS said one-or-two Scummy things... but they're at odds with his attitude. Also, WAY too many people are Townclearing him... some of those people are surely Scum.
Shad/Pirate - I felt odd about Shad D1, but I grew to like him more on a reread. Not sure why. Feels genuine with him getting mad at Corrik, in a Town way. And Pirate has seemed pretty solid too.
Sultan - Feels too genuine. Sultan is a unique person and I don't have confidence he can fake himself as well as he is being himself, if he is Scum. Too hard to follow the logic at times... it's odd, but odd often means Town.
Geno* - Has a weird claim which gives him an asterisk, but honestly his play has seemed very Town... basically everything he's done.
Corrik/Hombad - More for Hombad's play, but Corrik I think was intentionally trying to start a fight with Shad to get a read. Scum doesn't need to do that.
Doop - Nothing he did on D1 earned him this spot, but he's probably definitely Town UNLESS Scare is Town. If Scare is Town, Doop firmly falls into the ???? leaning Scummish.

????
Ben - Ben is the only person in this tier who is here because he has done things that seem Scummy and things that seem Town. However, more of what he has done has seemed to push him towards the Town side, so despite some of his actions being Scummish, he has earned his spot here. Possibly Scum, but very good play if he is.
Terra - Honestly here because of lack of information.
Shonen - Also here because of lack of information. Leaning Townish for being on Red early on, but it's hard to read someone who has done so little.

Scummish
Pendragon - Only guy who gets to be in this tier. He has done nothing. He has given 0 thoughts. All of his posts, all... 5? of them. Are fluff. Probably Scum, just hasn't condemned himself yet.

Scum
Scare - It's honestly not worth considering him possibly being Town. It's worth it to consider how that might change reads if he pops that way after we're both dead, but at this point, he's acted so Scummy today that he can't not be Scum.
Death - This is the dark horse on this list... I think Scare started with Death as his first fake scan to give Death an opportunity to start claiming, but not full claim. Truth is - Death is fucking SCUMMY. AS. FUCK. He is the ONLY person in the entire game who looked bad in the slightest in the first 500 posts of the game. This is a pure Hangut read here, and when I pop Town, you all OWE it to me to go after this guy.
Lolo - I need to finish my case study, but Lolo has not offered any content. All he does is ask questions. In 57 posts so far, 28 of them are single line questions, and he doesn't respond to basically anything except with fluff.

Need a second post for some of my follow-up statements.

Shonen, I'll reply to you in a bit.
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That format is a little gross, sorry, let me repost it.

Townish
FD - the way he approached Red earned him a spot on this list. He's playing today bad, and is by no means confirmed Town, but gut says he is so I'm just putting him here and counting on him to listen to my words when I flip.

HB - the way he interacts with people and approaches the game is very Towny. He HAS said one-or-two Scummy things... but they're at odds with his attitude. Also, WAY too many people are Townclearing him... some of those people are surely Scum.

Shad/Pirate - I felt odd about Shad D1, but I grew to like him more on a reread. Not sure why. Feels genuine with him getting mad at Corrik, in a Town way. And Pirate has seemed pretty solid too.

Sultan - Feels too genuine. Sultan is a unique person and I don't have confidence he can fake himself as well as he is being himself, if he is Scum. Too hard to follow the logic at times... it's odd, but odd often means Town.

Geno* - Has a weird claim which gives him an asterisk, but honestly his play has seemed very Town... basically everything he's done.

Corrik/Hombad - More for Hombad's play, but Corrik I think was intentionally trying to start a fight with Shad to get a read. Scum doesn't need to do that.

Doop - Nothing he did on D1 earned him this spot, but he's probably definitely Town UNLESS Scare is Town. If Scare is Town, Doop firmly falls into the ???? leaning Scummish.

????
Ben - Ben is the only person in this tier who is here because he has done things that seem Scummy and things that seem Town. However, more of what he has done has seemed to push him towards the Town side, so despite some of his actions being Scummish, he has earned his spot here. Possibly Scum, but very good play if he is.

Terra - Honestly here because of lack of information.

Shonen - Also here because of lack of information. Leaning Townish for being on Red early on, but it's hard to read someone who has done so little.

Scummish
Pendragon - Only guy who gets to be in this tier. He has done nothing. He has given 0 thoughts. All of his posts, all... 5? of them. Are fluff. Probably Scum, just hasn't condemned himself yet.

Scum
Scare - It's honestly not worth considering him possibly being Town. It's worth it to consider how that might change reads if he pops that way after we're both dead, but at this point, he's acted so Scummy today that he can't not be Scum.

Death - This is the dark horse on this list... I think Scare started with Death as his first fake scan to give Death an opportunity to start claiming, but not full claim. Truth is - Death is fucking SCUMMY. AS. FUCK. He is the ONLY person in the entire game who looked bad in the slightest in the first 500 posts of the game. This is a pure Hangut read here, and when I pop Town, you all OWE it to me to go after this guy.

Lolo - I need to finish my case study, but Lolo has not offered any content. All he does is ask questions. In 57 posts so far, 28 of them are single line questions, and he doesn't respond to basically anything except with fluff.
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Scare, if han is town... do we have permission to lynch you?

He wont flip town

But in a scenario in which he did flip town then I'm automatically lynched no question
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WAY too many people are Townclearing him

Mind listing who they are? And also which posts they towncleared him in if its not too inconvenient
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ScareChan posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

Scare, if han is town... do we have permission to lynch you?

He wont flip town

But in a scenario in which he did flip town then I'm automatically lynched no question

Hmmm ok then, I'll keep this in mind
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So first of all, for all the players who don't know me. My gut is very very very good. As in, I usually have the entire Scum team in my Scum-???? tiers. Occasionally one slips into the Townish tier or so, but I earned an auto-kill N1 status years ago for always nailing Scum right away. I still do nail Scum for single posts a lot.

Just want to clarify... I would guarantee there are two Scum in the following, with 3 being pretty likely:
Scare
Lolo
Pendragon
Death

Then probably 1 in the following:
Ben(least likely)
Doop
Terra (most likely)

I am also willing to say that, unless Scum is really bad and that's why they're pulling this maneuver on me and they're actually everyone in my Scumpool, that somebody prooooobably got lucky and slipped into my Town pool.

Now, one quick note about Red - he talked a LOT about how I have 'acted different' this game. He flipped Scum. Scare has also mentioned that I have acted different, and Death did as well (though he said it to defend me at first).

List of people who feel like they should not be aligned together
Death/Geno
Death/Corrik
Death/Ben (or is just them setting themselves apart)
Pendragon/Terra
HB/Benscarehan (Hb reacted to the three of us in such a way in a post that... well, I honestly forget what he said but it didn't look at all like something a Scummate would say about his buds)

Alright. Now I want to finish my Lolo case study. But I'll reply to Shonen first.
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hombad46 posted...

WAY too many people are Townclearing him

Mind listing who they are? And also which posts they towncleared him in if its not too inconvenient

Basically everyone. And it is too inconvenient, sorry. I've done too much already, and I didn't take notes of when people said they thought Hb was Town.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

hombad46 posted...

WAY too many people are Townclearing him

Mind listing who they are? And also which posts they towncleared him in if its not too inconvenient

Basically everyone. And it is too inconvenient, sorry. I've done too much already, and I didn't take notes of when people said they thought Hb was Town.

I have town cleared him in my posts towards hbattle, liking his attitude and overall posts.. but a lot of people have done similar stuff
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benjamin3740 posted...

##Vote: Scare

While I have had issue with a lot of Han's behavior and actions (Not using his bodygaurd last night wtf), I really really really can't see how they're scum decisions. He just has to be town, for a multitude of reasons. Or scum who made all the right moves to go 1 for 1 with Scare. In which case, you can have it. I really dont care.

And dammit I basically feel the same about Scare just with a little bit weaker confidence. His supposed scan on Han makes no sense as scum either. But apparently one of them has to be.

ANd I'd really rather go for Pendragon. Voting Scare now because I see Han passinjg SCare up in votes and I prefer this at the moment

Ben I have probably most trust in you as a player than anyone else in this game. This is a poor decision and I know you can see they mechanical right play is lynching han first. I know you love to go with your gut but your gut is off here

You dont lkle voting protection but even if you accepted both me and han straight up, as 1 shots my save is more valuable than hans . And if you accepted our claims as is he is telling you he chose not to save Chris as bodyguard which is foolish and he is a better player than that

I will play out a scenario if han was actually town


Oh man I'm bodyguard . I said I didnt like chris and now I'm on the fence. I should target him because if he is town I save him and it he is scum I am safe to live another day

Han is competent. Even if you dont believe me scan, just analyze hans actions and they do not add up

My scan is the daggar but he wounded himself on his own here too
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Shonen_Bat posted...

but I've been completely upfront with everything.

This is an outright lie. Every time someone has asked you anything about the claim situation you've waved it away.

Well, I did that on D1 because 1. It was kinda funny and I wanted to see how people would react and 2. I would've just said 'cuz'. It felt more important to see how people reacted to the claim rather than me responding with what would be a non-answer. This did help influence my read on Hb, as well as my reads on Death and Red. I also think if I did not do that claim, Chris might not go on Red as hard.

Why did you claim vanilla at the start of the game and then vanish without explaining anything?

I disappeared because I went to bed. I am a teacher, so I tend to like to go to bed earlier or else I hate the next day.

As for why I claimed? Spur of the moment. I was feeling randy. I don't really have a reason aside from that. No big plan, not meaning it as a joke, I just did it.

For what it's worth, when I originally saw I was Bodyguard, my thought was "oh, I won't use this ability". I have a big ego and think highly of myself.

Why did you claim your role incorrectly as metal blade before changing it to leaf shield (bodyguard)?

I thought that Leaf Shield would be 'obviously' a protective role, since "shield" is in the name. So I changed it to Metal Blade since I was fake claiming vanilla. I thought that Metal Blade was a lot more vanilla-sounding of a role.

You already given some reasoning for this, but if you have anything else to say about why you didn't use your night action on Chris I'd like to hear it.

I've said so much about this. Ultimately, I didn't want to use my ability. I might have used it on Chris if I realllllllly thought about it, but I didn't consider it at all since I thought he was Scum. And there's no other player in this game I consider to be worth saving on a whim.

It makes no sense to take a mafia bullet just because you can. It's a one-time use success - if I'm going to bodyguard someone, it's going to be for a very good reason.

And, why have you generally been unwilling to give straightforward information about your role claims so far?

I have been quite straightforward this entire day. I already explained why I was mum day 1, which is what I feel you are hung up upon, but I've been pretty clear this entire D2.

I hope this clears things up. If you have any more questions, please ask!
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ScareChan posted...

if you accepted both me and han straight up, as 1 shots my save is more valuable than hans .

xD

Yours is 1-shot.

Mine can only work once, but I don't lose it after one night.

For someone arguing "mechanically correct", you sure are miles away.
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Okay Han so apparently our reads are 1:1 the exact same. Down to every detail., except maybe my certainly on Scare. And before I would have had you in my spot in the middle of the list, but now I'd just call you town.
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Thanks Ben, but that doesn't move you up a tier in my list ;)

If I were to pick candidates to be wrong about on my Scum side... it would be Death, who Chris did Townclear. But man, he looked Scummy as fuck day 1, and Death knows better than to vote for me here so... feeling Chris is wrong on that one.

Lolo also has some credit for following onto Scare's lynch... doesn't have any for being on Red's though. But I need to finish my case study! brb
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Something rubs me wrong about the whole Metal Blade/Leaf Shield thing in the first place.

One, you didnt need to claim your flavor on that day, nobody asked you to do so.

Two (this is more a flavor reason so feel free to ignore it if you dont buy those):being a protective role doesnt fit Mega Man as a character or in Smash. The guy has a list of names he takes out every game, AND hes a projectile spammer. The fact that hes using Leaf Shield as Bodyguard seems off.
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Here's a prime post pointing at Lolo and Death being Scummates:

htaeD posted...

Actually considering red was scum and Scare (as far as I am concerned) is scum, Lolo not joining Chris on the one town train is a good look.

Unless he was that unwilling to dirty his hands.

Hbthebattle posted...

Something rubs me wrong about the whole Metal Blade/Leaf Shield thing in the first place.

One, you didnt need to claim your flavor on that day, nobody asked you to do so.

I'm going to ignore your flavor reason because I can give you an example of any single character in the game being any role you give me.

Now, the reason I claimed flavor in the first place was because I was trying to get Geno to give me his claim again. I used my flavor as an example to make sure I was clear, since he was upset with me and being obstinate.

(and as I already said, I picked Metal Blade because I thought Leaf Shield gave away that I was protection)
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benjamin3740 posted...

htaeD posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

It's not possible Han plays this way as scum. It's not possible Scare plays this way as scum.

So let''s kill Lolo or Pendragon.

Its not possible for both situations to be not possible. So lets not.

Yes, I know. But another night reveals more info on which side is right.

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Ahem.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If someone tries to end today with a vote on someone other than Han or Scare there will be consequences. Feel free to discuss others and scum hunt, but a splinter vote in this specific situation where one of them MOST is a complete cop out and it will not be tolerated.

I repeat ending today with a vote on anyone else will not be permitted.

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Death I could also see changing if this whole "I targeted Pendragon" amounts to anything

And our town list at least is the same
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Ok now that all the info is out, I've come to a decision (rare for me), han does present good counter defences towards scare... that being why he didn't save chris when he could've, when scare fake claimed death and then proclaimed the real track on han after death didn't fully claim and when han looked at what scare was doing the entire time today and needing to counter anything that scare has said.

This is the final battle imo, right now I wouldn't feel like foward smashing either han or scare but I have to decide what is right...

##vote: scare

You had me on the ropes the entire time scare, questioning what was right and what was wrong, I had hoped that maybe you would be more clearer with scan and provide some information other than han went to chris but alas you didn't

This my friends is the end of an era, han is either gonna bleed or scares gonna leave
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Ok, I'm going to call my Lolo case study over at the end of day 1.

So here is Lolo's entire body of work for D1: 61 posts.

These posts neatly fit into three categories:

1. Posts with at least three lines of real content.
2. Posts that were mostly one-liners, not more than three sentences, almost completely fluff.
3. Single line questions (sometimes with an accompanying fluff statement, such as "you need to unvote")

How many posts of each type?

>three lines posts - 4
Fluffy one-liners - 29
Single line questions - 28

Twenty-fucking-eight. That's just under half of his posts. Just under half of his posts were questions with ZERO follow-up.

This is Scummy as hell, because it allows a player to look active, while making ALL the content they produce solely in the hands of others.

Go do an ISO of Lolo. See how much content he actually produces himself. See how many god. Damn. Questions he asks... that lead nowhere.

He asks and asks and asks and asks but they literally lead nowhere.

And no reads either.

It's almost annoying to go through and tally every one-liner question because that's HALF of what he's done.
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I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.
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I hope by the morning this whole fiasco will come to a definitive conclusion

Goodnight
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And Han it is abundantly clear that you are trying much harder than scare today.

You have been putting in The Work
Scare has generally not done a lot since he committed to his alleged scan result in you.

But working harder today does not mean you are town. I've seen prodigious efforts made by caught scum to eek out I've extra mislynch before the lynch.

Hell, iirc you put up a decent fight in Blade mafia day 2 as well when I Hid behind you the night before and very clearly telegraphed it. You were dead to rights but you fought the lynch and tried to present an argument why my death might have meant something else.

And it's a good trait to have regardless of alignment.

And if you flip town I WILL give a lot of weight to everything you have presented today. I understand that not much consolation, but it's all I have to offer.

Break is ending now. I should be back again before deadline.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.

Hb, who is more likely to be Town?

The person who spent most of today talking through theories, engaging with others, making sure that if he died, the Town had his full set of thoughts?

Or the guy who has done literally nothing but out a (possibly Town) power role and then just say somebody else is Scum while providing zero content?
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Pirate_Harris posted...

I hope by the morning this whole fiasco will come to a definitive conclusion

Goodnight

Given that the day is almost over, the only way this wont be concluded is if theyre tied and nothing changes in overtime
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And Han it is abundantly clear that you are trying much harder than scare today.

You have been putting in The Work
Scare has generally not done a lot since he committed to his alleged scan result in you.

But working harder today does not mean you are town. I've seen prodigious efforts made by caught scum to eek out I've extra mislynch before the lynch.

Hell, iirc you put up a decent fight in Blade mafia day 2 as well when I Hid behind you the night before and very clearly telegraphed it. You were dead to rights but you fought the lynch and tried to present an argument why my death might have meant something else.

And it's a good trait to have regardless of alignment.

And if you flip town I WILL give a lot of weight to everything you have presented today. I understand that not much consolation, but it's all I have to offer.

Break is ending now. I should be back again before deadline.

So here's what I want from you FD, then I'll stop being mad at you.

1. Promise that Scare dies tomorrow if I'm lynched today.
2. Promise that Death/Lolo/Pendragon are after.

You know my gut is the best. You know my reads are worth listening to more than the majority of players. Promise me you will heed that. And lastly...

3. Admit that you are making the wrong play, but can't convince yourself to not blindly follow the scan.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.

Hb, who is more likely to be Town?

The person who spent most of today talking through theories, engaging with others, making sure that if he died, the Town had his full set of thoughts?

Or the guy who has done literally nothing but out a (possibly Town) power role and then just say somebody else is Scum while providing zero content?

Han, the reason I am voting you is that I have found you very shady this entire game. I dont buy the cause I felt like it argument. I dont buy that Scare is trying to suicide because hes playing another game. Thered be no reason for him not to claim roleblocked especially considering no one has stood up to claim roleblocked.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

So here's what I want from you FD, then I'll stop being mad at you.

1. Promise that Scare dies tomorrow if I'm lynched today and are town.

Fixed.

And done. If you are town and I am alive tomorrow I will be an Avatar of your vengeance and follow your gut with gusto.
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And yes Han, Ill swear that if you flip town Scare gets lynched. Ill look through your posts and admit that you were right and that I was wrong and that I should have listened. But my gut is not telling me that I am wrong.
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At this point, this lynch should give some good insight on peoples' allegiances this game. A couple of notes:

1. There should be at least 1 Scum on Scare. You should be looking at the people who voted him when I was ahead, and also the people who voted Scare to push him ahead when we were tied.

2. Nothing Scare can possibly say absolves him. Not a Mason claim where FD promises he and Scare planned to do the bluff from the beginning, not a cop scan that says Scare is innocent, nothing short of death(and Death is not permitted to save him either!)

3. If you are Town and on my lynch at the end of the day, you need to go to Chris's Mafia Advice topic after this game is over and take some notes.

I've done my work. I'll be around to answer questions, but at this point, I'm exhausted and just want to play Witcher.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And Han it is abundantly clear that you are trying much harder than scare today.

You have been putting in The Work
Scare has generally not done a lot since he committed to his alleged scan result in you.

But working harder today does not mean you are town. I've seen prodigious efforts made by caught scum to eek out I've extra mislynch before the lynch.

Hell, iirc you put up a decent fight in Blade mafia day 2 as well when I Hid behind you the night before and very clearly telegraphed it. You were dead to rights but you fought the lynch and tried to present an argument why my death might have meant something else.

And it's a good trait to have regardless of alignment.

And if you flip town I WILL give a lot of weight to everything you have presented today. I understand that not much consolation, but it's all I have to offer.

Break is ending now. I should be back again before deadline.

What I like about his activity is that he seems to care a lot for what happens beyond today. As if he really knows he's gonna flip town. Figuring out the game before he dies seems genuinely more important to him than surviiving today.
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Hbthebattle posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.

Hb, who is more likely to be Town?

The person who spent most of today talking through theories, engaging with others, making sure that if he died, the Town had his full set of thoughts?

Or the guy who has done literally nothing but out a (possibly Town) power role and then just say somebody else is Scum while providing zero content?

Han, the reason I am voting you is that I have found you very shady this entire game. I dont buy the cause I felt like it argument. I dont buy that Scare is trying to suicide because hes playing another game. Thered be no reason for him not to claim roleblocked especially considering no one has stood up to claim roleblocked.

See, here's the thing - Chris probably wasn't roleblocked, unless we have a SK.

Which means, if you weren't roleblocked... and Scare wasn't roleblocked... well, that leaves me.

I was probably the roleblock target.

There are a few other people who soft-claimed power, but I don't remember who they are... since nobody has stood up to say they are roleblocked, it makes a TON of sense for that to be me.

Additionally HB, this is what I want you to do: Realize that "strange" does not mean "Scummy". Chris can explain it better, but there's a fallacy in a lot of players where something that is out of the ordinary... be it someone's playstyle, something they said, or their claim... reads as suspicious. Because it's weird. That's natural to think.

But weird does not mean Scum. Scum try to fit in. Scum are very very sparingly the ones that act odd.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I have also come to a decision.

##Vote: Han
As Ive said before I shouldnt have let Chris talk me out of this.

Hb, who is more likely to be Town?

The person who spent most of today talking through theories, engaging with others, making sure that if he died, the Town had his full set of thoughts?

Or the guy who has done literally nothing but out a (possibly Town) power role and then just say somebody else is Scum while providing zero content?

I mean it's a little less genuine when the person in question is aware of it, but it's better than what Scare has offered. For all game long
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Pirate_Harris posted...

Ok now that all the info is out, I've come to a decision (rare for me), han does present good counter defences towards scare... that being why he didn't save chris when he could've, when scare fake claimed death and then proclaimed the real track on han after death didn't fully claim and when han looked at what scare was doing the entire time today and needing to counter anything that scare has said.

This is the final battle imo, right now I wouldn't feel like foward smashing either han or scare but I have to decide what is right...

##vote: scare

You had me on the ropes the entire time scare, questioning what was right and what was wrong, I had hoped that maybe you would be more clearer with scan and provide some information other than han went to chris but alas you didn't

This my friends is the end of an era, han is either gonna bleed or scares gonna leave

... tracker literally gets told where the person went at night. That's the whole scan

Pirate what are you doing
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

So here's what I want from you FD, then I'll stop being mad at you.

1. Promise that Scare dies tomorrow if I'm lynched today and are town.

Fixed.

And done. If you are town and I am alive tomorrow I will be an Avatar of your vengeance and follow your gut with gusto.

You still have to admit you're making the bad play tho
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Votals and end of day?
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Scare you said I'm the one you trust the most to realize what's going on. Am I wrong to read Han in these ways? I dont have the proof you claim to have. Are there any flaws in my thinking?
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ScareChan posted...

Votals and end of day?

10:42:16 EST

Votals might be even at the moment, but if Shonen hops back on me, then I'll be at +1.
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Aww fuck yeah guess what just arrived, guys.
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I like how no one voting Han is bothering to address how incredibly smart and stupid he would have had to have been before Scare claimed a track on him, only "man I can't believe he won't tell us why he didn't BG Chris."

Like man I hope the entire scum team is on Han because this kind of play of Town is just demoralizing.
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You're thinking critically just coming to the wrong conclusion

Han is fighting tooth and nail because he is caught. He is doing whatever he can to try and survive an extra day and look how many people are trying to let that happen.

Think how actual town would react here. "Oh shit scare must be scum. Well I can take him down one for one"

How often does town volunteer to get lynched to take themselves out of poe? If han was town he would be ecstatic to go 1 for 1 but he is trying to argue that 1 for 1 doesnt matter
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I hate this day, it's all stupid.

And how can i not keep Han alive now when he;s listing all the people that are scum and will help me lynch them?
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ScareChan posted...

If han was town he would be ecstatic to go 1 for 1

Bitch, I'm worth at least 3 Scum.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Aww fuck yeah guess what just arrived, guys.

The Daycop scan you'd been neglecting to tell us you'd receive two hours before the end of day 2, which you will use to annihilate Pendragon once and for all.
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Doopliss_Power posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Aww fuck yeah guess what just arrived, guys.

The Daycop scan you'd been neglecting to tell us you'd receive two hours before the end of day 2, which you will use to annihilate Pendragon once and for all.

No, even better.
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