Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 9: Invasion Of The Clones

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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:08:19 PM
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12 Player Smash!
1. Benjamin3740
2. Hombad (Corrik)
3. Doopliss_Power
4. geno4smash
5. Hbthebattle
6. Lolo_Guru
7. Pendragon71037
8. Forecful_Dragon
9. Pirate_Harris (Shad)
10. Shonen_Bat
11. Terra-enforcer
12. TheSultanOfSlam

Eliminated:
[LD1] Jedimess - Pikachu, VETERAN Vanilla
[NK1] DoomTheGyarados - Captain Falcon, VETERAN Falcon Punch (1-Shot Vigilante)
[NK1] red13n - Simon Belmont, NEWCOMER Vanilla
[LD2] Hanofthenekos - Mega Man, VETERAN Leaf Shield (Bodyguard)
[NK2] htaeD - Fox McCloud - VETERAN Reflector (Roleblocker)
[LD3] ScareChan - Incineroar - NEWCOMER Wrestler (Jack of All Trades)

Day 1 Votals:
Jedimess [5] - Chris, jombad46, (Ben), (Scare), Pendadragon, (Pirate), Scare, (Pirate), (HB), Ben
Scare [4] - (Chris), (Ben), (LoLo), Death, (Han), (FD), Doop, Terra, Han
Chris [3] - (Scare), (Sultan), (Han), Shonen, Lolo, Pirate
red13n [1] - (FD), (Chris), (Ben), (Shonen), (Han), (Lolo), (Sultan), (HB), FD, (Pirate)
Han [1] - (HB), Geno
Terra [1] - Sultan
Lolo [0] - (Han)
death [0] - (Ben), (Scare), (Pirate), (Ben)
FD [0] - (Scare)
geno [0] - (hombad46), (HB)
hombad46 [0] - (Sultan)

Day 2 Votals:
[8] Han - Scare, (Ben), Pendragon, (Sultan), (HB), FD, lolo, Death, (Shoenin), HB, (Pirate), Hombad, Pirate
[6] Scare - Terra, (Death), (Doop), Geno, (Doop), Han, (Pirate), Ben, (Pirate), Doop, Shoenin
[1] lolo - (hombad), Sultan
[0] Death - (Scare), (Ben), (Doop)
[0] Doop - (Han)
[0] Hombad - (Doop)
[0] Pendragon - (Han)
[0] Sultan - (lolo)

Day 3 Votals
[5] Scarechan - HB, (Doop), Shonen, FD, Pirate, (hombad), hombad

Votals
[4] Pendragon - ben, (Doop), (Lolo), Shonen, geno, Terra
[5] Shonen - hombad, (Doop), Pirate, Sultan, Hbattle, Pend
[0] FD - (Lolo)
[1] Ben - LoLo
[1] Geno - Doop
[0] Terra - (Sultan)

Day ends 12/6/2018 at 11PM EST or when 7 votes are reached.
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:10:29 PM
#2:


12 Player Smash!
1. Benjamin3740
2. Hombad (Corrik)
3. Doopliss_Power
4. geno4smash
5. Hbthebattle
6. Lolo_Guru
7. Pendragon71037
8. Forecful_Dragon
9. Pirate_Harris (Shad)
10. Shonen_Bat
11. Terra-enforcer
12. TheSultanOfSlam

Eliminated:
[LD1] Jedimess - Pikachu, VETERAN Vanilla
[NK1] DoomTheGyarados - Captain Falcon, VETERAN Falcon Punch (1-Shot Vigilante)
[NK1] red13n - Simon Belmont, NEWCOMER Vanilla
[LD2] Hanofthenekos - Mega Man, VETERAN Leaf Shield (Bodyguard)
[NK2] htaeD - Fox McCloud - VETERAN Reflector (Roleblocker)
[LD3] ScareChan - Incineroar - NEWCOMER Wrestler (Jack of All Trades)

Day 1 Votals:
Jedimess [5] - Chris, jombad46, (Ben), (Scare), Pendadragon, (Pirate), Scare, (Pirate), (HB), Ben
Scare [4] - (Chris), (Ben), (LoLo), Death, (Han), (FD), Doop, Terra, Han
Chris [3] - (Scare), (Sultan), (Han), Shonen, Lolo, Pirate
red13n [1] - (FD), (Chris), (Ben), (Shonen), (Han), (Lolo), (Sultan), (HB), FD, (Pirate)
Han [1] - (HB), Geno
Terra [1] - Sultan
Lolo [0] - (Han)
death [0] - (Ben), (Scare), (Pirate), (Ben)
FD [0] - (Scare)
geno [0] - (hombad46), (HB)
hombad46 [0] - (Sultan)

Day 2 Votals:
[8] Han - Scare, (Ben), Pendragon, (Sultan), (HB), FD, lolo, Death, (Shoenin), HB, (Pirate), Hombad, Pirate
[6] Scare - Terra, (Death), (Doop), Geno, (Doop), Han, (Pirate), Ben, (Pirate), Doop, Shoenin
[1] lolo - (hombad), Sultan
[0] Death - (Scare), (Ben), (Doop)
[0] Doop - (Han)
[0] Hombad - (Doop)
[0] Pendragon - (Han)
[0] Sultan - (lolo)

Day 3 Votals
[5] Scarechan - HB, (Doop), Shonen, FD, Pirate, (hombad), hombad
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:12:50 PM
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Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 8:14:14 PM
#4:


Game awards is starting soon, so I guess you guys can have this lynch. I will be proven right or wrong tomorrow. And if I'm right, I will post 1,000 middle fingers. Actually, if it ends before 11:00 I'll be back.

By the way, if Pen was actually town doctor, there'd be more than just me trying to get him lynched. Scum would actually be trying to do it, because it'd be an easy auto win button. Unless you think I'm scum. If so whatever. We'll see tomorrow
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:14:37 PM
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Lolo_Guru posted...
Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:16:04 PM
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@Terra-enforcer hey could you get in here and either formally counterclaim or not counterclaim because if you aren't Doctor then this entire Pen debate is null and void.
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hombad46
12/06/18 8:16:17 PM
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Pirate_Harris posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?

No, you forgot Pen's vote on Shonen
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:16:26 PM
#8:


@eaedwards6400
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:16:32 PM
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I don't think so.

Hasn't terra voted? I recall him voting Pen.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:16:40 PM
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Gasp you edited a post! Jk i think in this instance its okay
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hombad46
12/06/18 8:17:20 PM
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I believe the current votals are:

[5] Shonen - hombad, (Doop), Pen, Pirate, Sultan, hb
[4] Pendragon - ben, (Doop), (Lolo), Shonen, Terra, geno
[1] Ben - Lolo
[0] FD - (Lolo)
[0] Terra - (Sultan)
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:17:35 PM
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Pirate_Harris posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?

No, I'm voting geno.

Everyone on Pen needs to get the fuck off. Shonen is an acceptable lynch but I'd really rather get rid of either Sultan or geno since I think one of them is almost certainly scum.
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 8:17:44 PM
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hombad46
12/06/18 8:18:18 PM
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Doopliss_Power posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?

No, I'm voting geno.

Everyone on Pen needs to get the fuck off. Shonen is an acceptable lynch but I'd really rather get rid of either Sultan or geno since I think one of them is almost certainly scum.


Yeah, side with the guy who waited until the other miller claim went to bed with 3 hours left in the day to counterclaim. That's not scummy at all.
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:18:31 PM
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ben, get your vote off Pen. You said yourself that I had a point, stop making anti-Town plays.
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:19:43 PM
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hombad46 posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Those aren't accurate votals; I'm listed twice.

Is it accurate now?

No, I'm voting geno.

Everyone on Pen needs to get the fuck off. Shonen is an acceptable lynch but I'd really rather get rid of either Sultan or geno since I think one of them is almost certainly scum.


Yeah, side with the guy who waited until the other miller claim went to bed with 3 hours left in the day to counterclaim. That's not scummy at all.

It wouldn't take much to shift me to Sultan right now, but I do think that geno's claimed role is just too absurd to exist.
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:19:53 PM
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With 12, it's 7 to lynch? Given Doop was on Shonen last... was at -1.

Shonen, have you anything to say at all?
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 8:19:57 PM
#18:


Wait sultan. Weren't you the same guy telling me that Terra didn't counterclain, and to show you where he counterclaimed. And then after that you're telling me that I totally revealed who the doctor is and blaming me for unveiling the doctor? How the hell does that make sense that you'd start thinking that if you think Terra never counterclaimed?
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:21:19 PM
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OK ITS DONE... no more editing whatsoever
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:22:43 PM
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Even if we guess wrong between geno and Sultan, we know the other is almost certainly scum. With the Pen/Terra situation, that's close to 2 confirmed scum in 3 days. Seriously, get your votes off of Pen and honestly Shonen as well.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:23:13 PM
#21:


benjamin3740 posted...
Wait sultan. Weren't you the same guy telling me that Terra didn't counterclain, and to show you where he counterclaimed. And then after that you're telling me that I totally revealed who the doctor is and blaming me for unveiling the doctor? How the hell does that make sense that you'd start thinking that if you think Terra never counterclaimed?


He didnt counter claim you said he did but he didnt And you said he was doc so if it's not pend you outed the doc terra it makes sense
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:24:23 PM
#22:


Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:24:45 PM
#23:


First Jedi, then Han, now this? How hard is it to get you guys to make decent lynches?
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:25:14 PM
#24:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:25:27 PM
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Also doop how is it not possible to have 2 millers when it has happen before?
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 8:25:47 PM
#26:


Doopliss_Power posted...
ben, get your vote off Pen. You said yourself that I had a point, stop making anti-Town plays.

Your point is the safe option, yes. I trust myself enough that I'm sure he's confirmed scum, so I am good killing Pen anyway. Higher risk, higher reward. That said, if I come back after game awards and he's a splinter, I'll re-vote
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:27:05 PM
#27:


Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:27:20 PM
#28:


I'm not unvoting a "miller" over a self voting, barely contributing scum prosty...
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:28:09 PM
#29:


Voting* fixed
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:30:30 PM
#30:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

What game were you in before this one that had multiple millers?
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:33:08 PM
#31:


@UltimaterializerX

Count down?
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:35:56 PM
#32:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

Then why is he Ridley, a Newcomer, and you're Pokemon Trainer, a Veteran?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:36:31 PM
#33:


Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

What game were you in before this one that had multiple millers?


Not that I've been in but its possible
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:37:30 PM
#34:


Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

Then why is he Ridley, a Newcomer, and you're Pokemon Trainer, a Veteran?

Ridley comes in ultimate, Pokemon trainer is in brawl
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:38:35 PM
#35:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

Then why is he Ridley, a Newcomer, and you're Pokemon Trainer, a Veteran?

Ridley comes in ultimate, Pokemon trainer is in brawl

Yes, I know. The question was referring to why Sultan thinks both of these roles are Town-aligned Millers.

Another question, why is no one else even addressing my arguments?
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:39:34 PM
#36:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

What game were you in before this one that had multiple millers?


Not that I've been in but its possible

Note that in the example ben listed, Millers scan as Town because of the Insane Cop. It's just that scum scans Town and Town power scans scum.
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:39:49 PM
#37:


Doopliss_Power posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lynch me prove to everyone I'm town and lose town the game sounds really smart doop ..

WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR GENO THEN

BEACUSE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE 2 millers

Geno was also not named after a move he was just named Ridley his claim other than the drunk part sounds alot like mine so I have to think we are both miller

Then why is he Ridley, a Newcomer, and you're Pokemon Trainer, a Veteran?

Ridley comes in ultimate, Pokemon trainer is in brawl

Yes, I know. The question was referring to why Sultan thinks both of these roles are Town-aligned Millers.

Another question, why is no one else even addressing my arguments?

With regards to han v scare, one is town, one is scum
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:46:27 PM
#38:


Doop.

Give me your argument on who to vote for and I'll respond.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:47:51 PM
#39:


Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:49:21 PM
#40:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 8:50:12 PM
#41:


So I've been going through shonen's old posts with such time as I've had. It's slow going but through the first topic and a half I have this:

.

T1P1

A post saying "tag"

A post about a picture he posted.

T1P2

No posts

T1P3

No posts

T1P4

No posts

T1P5

No posts

T1P6

No posts

T1P7

No posts

T1P8

No posts

T1P9

No posts

T1P10

No posts

T2P1

A post saying Are you ready for a miracle? and taking about how corrik filled up the first topic.

A post saying he "caught up" on your 1 and a vote on red with no explanation.

A post regarding red: "I feel like he only started to make serious attempts to move the game forward once suspicion started being placed on him."

T2P2

A post saying he doesn't know what to say.

T2P3

No posts. Despite just saying he didn't know what to say and 5~people replying to give suggestions.

T2P4

No posts.

T2P5

Another post about red. "Red posted fluff then attacked the people on him"

Lolo asked who Shonen suspected. He said Chris or FD.
I thought this was weird since his reasons for voting red were parrots of things Chris and I had said.

A post about his newness.

.

.

I know that's not much but it's something and it already establishes an inconsistency.
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:50:58 PM
#42:


Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.

So is mewtwo, young link, Roy, solid snake yeah
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 8:52:18 PM
#43:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.

So is mewtwo, young link, Roy, solid snake yeah

Has a mewtwo, young link, or roy claimed? Pichu matters because he's been claimed.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 8:52:24 PM
#44:


Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.


Idk is battle lying?Or are all 3 good claims?
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hombad46
12/06/18 8:52:57 PM
#45:


Yeah FD I already went over all 35 of his posts over the first 3 days myself. I had a post with a few of my excerpts back at the start of the day
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:53:17 PM
#46:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Doop.

Give me your argument on who to vote for and I'll respond.

Either geno or Sultan is fine with me. geno because I think his claim is super weird, what with being a Town-aligned Newcomer Veteran with a Newcomer flavor (which he doesn't need since there's no flavor cop) that scans Town and also doesn't know his role but when he does learn it it just turns out he scans scum now but it still Town-aligned.

For Sultan, I think his play has been awful, with lots of unnecessary aggression, refusal to listen to counterpoints to his arguments, and just general baddery, though this could be explained by him being a new player.
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:53:56 PM
#47:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.

So is mewtwo, young link, Roy, solid snake yeah

Has a mewtwo, young link, or roy claimed? Pichu matters because he's been claimed.

I'm suggesting that many characters have left from previous games... so all of them could be millers...
but no one has claimed any of those
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 8:55:28 PM
#48:


Here is some further **Food For Though**

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We have not one, but two claimed millers now. I don't see a universe existing in which they are BOTH lying.

Why then would we have miller(s) if there were not a scanning role that could be confused by them. And thus I feel much better about our cop, and much worse about other information roles.

Which brings me back to the prosty. And I could totally see red ordering me to be slept with so that lines up too.

I'm ready to vote for Shonen, come what may.

Vote: Shonen
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Doopliss_Power
12/06/18 8:56:13 PM
#49:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Beacuse they are both town? Ridley was a boss in smash and making a reaparence in this game and pokemon trainer missed a game and is coming back.. so they both being Miller makes sense to me

Pichu missed three games and is coming back.
Hbattle did not claim miller.


Idk is battle lying?Or are all 3 good claims?

We're saying it's inconsistent for both you and geno to actually be Millers, what with the flavor difference, the fact that flavors are randomized (another point against geno btw), and the difference in the way your roles supposedly work.
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 8:57:25 PM
#50:


Votals
[4] Pendragon - ben, (Doop), (Lolo), Shonen, geno, Terra
[6] Shonen - hombad, (Doop), Pirate, Sultan, Hbattle, Pend, Fd
[0] FD - (Lolo)
[1] Ben - LoLo
[1] Geno - Doop
[0] Terra - (Sultan)
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