Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 9: Invasion Of The Clones

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Terra-enforcer
12/08/18 10:50:13 AM
#201:


hombad46 posted...
Voting now only gives others a chance to """accidentally""" hammer which we don't need happening just yet.


I just noticed this part of Terras message while I was typing that last one. What do you mean by we dont need it happening just yet? Why would the town ever need it to happen? I really dont want to take a side in Terra vs Pen without a scan, but with a slip like that... hm.

Allowing something to occur =/= needing it to happen. We've had hammers this game already. Hammers aren't inherently bad, but it was bad in that scenario when we were just beginning the day and in before any of the roles were able to report their actions iirc.

But yeah you're right on calling me out on the vote. There's far fewer players required to lynch now and I didn't realize how many people were on it at the time.
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Terra-enforcer
12/08/18 10:57:03 AM
#202:


Pirate_Harris posted...
##vote: pend

I scanned ben he was obviously innocent... smh

How the heck are you choosing your picks for scanning? At first I thought you had good reason for your picks, but this pattern just looks like you take names from a hat. How the heck did you not scan Lolo who most people suspected? Hell, I wouldn't have batted an eye if you chose me or Pend since that's a logical choice given you seemed not convinced on lynching him yesterday. Ben wouldn't be a bad pick, but he shouldn't have been higher priority over several others.

I don't this is the case, but major props to the scum team if they seriously decided against nk'ing one night so I'd falsely assume I protected the claimed cop and subsequently waste all my shots protecting a fakeclaimed cop. Harris's picks for scans are almost too coincidentally bad.
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 11:02:25 AM
#203:


Terra-enforcer posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
##vote: pend

I scanned ben he was obviously innocent... smh

How the heck are you choosing your picks for scanning? At first I thought you had good reason for your picks, but this pattern just looks like you take names from a hat. How the heck did you not scan Lolo who most people suspected? Hell, I wouldn't have batted an eye if you chose me or Pend since that's a logical choice given you seemed not convinced on lynching him yesterday. Ben wouldn't be a bad pick, but he shouldn't have been higher priority over several others.

I don't this is the case, but major props to the scum team if they seriously decided against nk'ing one night so I'd falsely assume I protected the claimed cop and subsequently waste all my shots protecting a fakeclaimed cop. Harris's picks for scans are almost too coincidentally bad.

I went with ben because he was seemingly acting like he was defending shonen like he did with scare... I didn't want to scan you because you didn't arouse any suspicion from me all day yesterday... LoLo was being more townlike imo with his input so I went with ben
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 11:04:31 AM
#204:


Pend is obvious scum and it would be a waste of a scan if I did it on him
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 11:10:34 AM
#205:


hombad46 posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I was confirmed town in Ben's book before my claim


Oh look, a lie. Unfortunately for you, despite the topic purging, we can still verify this.Here's the Book last time it was posted:

OFFICIAL BOOK OF CONFIRMED TOWN
Hbthebattle
Geno
Doopliss
Pirate

NEARLY CONFIRMED TOWN TIER
Hombad
Sultan
FD
Terra


You are only in the nearly confirmed tier. And would you look at who's right there in the actually confirmed tier? Geno. Oh, and Pirate is there too. If you truly believed in this book, why did you vote for Pirate earlier?


Nearly confirmed town my bad but still
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 11:13:16 AM
#206:


hombad46 posted...
Oh, and why the Pen vote, Sultan? He was already two votes ahead of you so there was no need for a survival vote. You just brought him to L-1


Read my damn post not a survival ita ththe obvious choice. If you dont go with the easy vote and kill me today town loses
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 11:14:35 AM
#207:


And to answer the other part of the question is beacuse their is little reason for pirate to be alive but with now terra claim it makes more sense but I still think they killing ben means someone is definitely lying about their role and it is not me
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hombad46
12/08/18 11:17:08 AM
#208:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Pend is obvious scum and it would be a waste of a scan if I did it on him


Can you remind me again what it is about him that makes you say that? From what I recall, the two things against him currently are

1. He claimed vanilla with flavor, which can easily be explained by being a town power that doesnt know better
2. Him trying to stay under the radar, which as I recall he said was just him trying not to get nightkilled.

What exactly was so obvious about him? Anyway, I would prefer we clear up the Miller controversy today. Both Terra/Pen and Geno/Sultan are pairs that almost certainly have at least one scum in them. We guess wrong in the first one, we lose our protection. We guess wrong in the second one, we lose... nothing besides a mislynch, which is something we also lose if we get the first pair wrong. I think its clear which one we should go for first. In fact, I believe the reason the scum let both doctor claims (or close enough in Terras case) live is because theyre confident well get it wrong. It makes perfect sense now that I say it. Why else wouldnt they take out whoever is their biggest threat? Theyre confident well do it for them.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 11:31:25 AM
#209:


Hom protecting pen that's really odd am i right is the 2 not voting pen geno and hom scum with pen?
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hombad46
12/08/18 11:36:00 AM
#210:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Hom protecting pen that's really odd am i right is the 2 not voting pen geno and hom scum with pen?


1. Pen already has enough votes, do you want him hammered or something?
2. Ive been suspicious of you ever since you went and drew attention to yourself yesterday
3. I literally just explained why its better to deal with your situation with Geno right now than Pens situation with Terra.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 11:54:21 AM
#211:


hombad46 posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Hom protecting pen that's really odd am i right is the 2 not voting pen geno and hom scum with pen?


1. Pen already has enough votes, do you want him hammered or something?
2. Ive been suspicious of you ever since you went and drew attention to yourself yesterday
3. I literally just explained why its better to deal with your situation with Geno right now than Pens situation with Terra.


Well if you're town and when I flip town then town losing will be all your fault just saying that now. But right now I'm leaning scum on you
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Hbthebattle
12/08/18 11:55:55 AM
#212:


The way I see it it, we have two decisions.

One: picking between the doctors, which seems to be easier to figure out but has a heavier cost if we're wrong.
Two: picking between the millers, which is harder to figure out but has a significantly lesser cost if we're wrong.
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Hbthebattle
12/08/18 11:57:17 AM
#213:


Though I will say there is definitely something fishy about Sultan yesterday and today, he's acting way more aggressive ever since he was put on a scan list.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 12:17:14 PM
#214:


Hbthebattle posted...
The way I see it it, we have two decisions.

One: picking between the doctors, which seems to be easier to figure out but has a heavier cost if we're wrong.
Two: picking between the millers, which is harder to figure out but has a significantly lesser cost if we're wrong.


Well I do agree in a sense but what do i have to do to prove to you that you are wrong? Apparently copy my PM and get modkilled. You liked my play until the claim and now since my claim is the only thing you have against me you are going to mislynch me while geno only thing about him you did like was his claim. So maybe you need to rethink the two of us beacuse from a meta stand point Ridley is a newcomer he wasnt playable and the whole drunk shit is stupid. Maybe it it's TRUE maybe both are true why people are rolling that out is beyond me. Beacuse think about this you mislynch me or even geno (if both are true) then you mislynch the other tomorrow WE LOSE THE GAME!

On the other hand we mislynch the other their is no way we have 3 protections we had a protection in megaman already flip having 3 is way over powered so I really think sorting out the other is the better play fuck it has nothing to do with me even being involved it's the smarter move to take out pen and not geno or myself.
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Hbthebattle
12/08/18 12:37:04 PM
#215:


I haven't called you scum yet, Sultan. Calm down. I'm still analyzing.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 1:16:04 PM
#216:


Hbthebattle posted...
I haven't called you scum yet, Sultan. Calm down. I'm still analyzing.


Other part wasnt ment for hom actually but either way message can go to anyone
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Terra-enforcer
12/08/18 2:19:37 PM
#217:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Pend is obvious scum and it would be a waste of a scan if I did it on him

What was your reason for not voting him yesterday then??? I don't see obvious scum and go for the claimed scanning role instead.
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 3:10:49 PM
#218:


Terra-enforcer posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Pend is obvious scum and it would be a waste of a scan if I did it on him

What was your reason for not voting him yesterday then??? I don't see obvious scum and go for the claimed scanning role instead.

Because I bought his doc claim which by the way you didn't counter at all as ben was claiming you did...
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hombad46
12/08/18 3:14:58 PM
#219:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Pend is obvious scum and it would be a waste of a scan if I did it on him

What was your reason for not voting him yesterday then??? I don't see obvious scum and go for the claimed scanning role instead.

Because I bought his doc claim which by the way you didn't counter at all as ben was claiming you did...


If you bought it before, what makes him obvious scum and a waste of a scan now? I dont recall you scanning Terra, so what changed between today and yesterday to change your mind?
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 3:19:29 PM
#220:


hombad46 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
Pend is obvious scum and it would be a waste of a scan if I did it on him

What was your reason for not voting him yesterday then??? I don't see obvious scum and go for the claimed scanning role instead.

Because I bought his doc claim which by the way you didn't counter at all as ben was claiming you did...


If you bought it before, what makes him obvious scum and a waste of a scan now? I dont recall you scanning Terra, so what changed between today and yesterday to change your mind?

Shonen flipping town for one, ben seemed like a good scan because I might've died tonight...
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hombad46
12/08/18 3:21:09 PM
#221:


I dont really see how Shonen and Pen are related?
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 3:24:33 PM
#222:


hombad46 posted...
I dont really see how Shonen and Pen are related?

Well I thought I had a dead to rights scum but clearly it was a town... still though that self vote sold me and pend was defending himself quite well near the end of the day... ben logically had to be the next target besides I could've been redirected by scum If I scanned pend
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 3:27:16 PM
#223:


I'll be quite frank... this hasn't been my best game, I'm basically just waiting to die at this point... some things I could've done better but this has been a mafia travesty and I hold myself responsible
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 3:30:36 PM
#224:


I've sent a request to be replaced... hope my replacement can do a better job
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 3:50:58 PM
#225:


Pirate_Harris posted...
I've sent a request to be replaced... hope my replacement can do a better job


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Forceful_Dragon
12/08/18 4:20:37 PM
#226:


Harris we are in the end game here,a replacement at this juncture is a pretty crappy move. If we mislynch at any point it's probably gg and if we lunch perfectly every day I think we're still closer to the end than the beginning.

If it's just because you aren't happy that people have been critical then maybe you are playing the wrong game, but you might as well see this one through.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/08/18 4:24:06 PM
#227:


Terra-enforcer posted...
I don't this is the case, but major props to the scum team if they seriously decided against nk'ing one night so I'd falsely assume I protected the claimed cop and subsequently waste all my shots protecting a fakeclaimed cop. Harris's picks for scans are almost too coincidentally bad.


This is nearly exactly how I feel about Shonen. Unfortunately it was a trap, but alas.

And just to clarify, Terra, you are titled pi spells, not you are actually a doctor yes?

Because that's still a ****ing LOT of protection. Like a lot. And we haven't even seen evidence of a scum power outside of the jack.
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 4:36:36 PM
#228:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Harris we are in the end game here,a replacement at this juncture is a pretty crappy move. If we mislynch at any point it's probably gg and if we lunch perfectly every day I think we're still closer to the end than the beginning.

If it's just because you aren't happy that people have been critical then maybe you are playing the wrong game, but you might as well see this one through.

I kinda will be inactive tomorrow and for a few days after so... it's necessary
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 4:38:57 PM
#229:


Dont do that pirate
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 4:40:46 PM
#230:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Dont do that pirate

It's out of my hands Saul... tbh I rather be going on with the game... but I can't because I will be offline for a while... it's for the best anyways... my replacement might win the game
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 4:45:34 PM
#231:


As my last act as a town cop, I'll give my reads...

Saul - neutral leaning scum
Pend - scum
HB - town
Fd - town
Doop - town
Geno - neutral leaning town
Hombad - town
LoLo - neutral
Pirate - Wild Card Town
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Doopliss_Power
12/08/18 4:59:20 PM
#232:


Pirate, confirming three Town and pretty much guaranteeing another scan isn't bad, so stop complaining about yourself and make your Sultan/geno reads less neutral.
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 5:08:09 PM
#233:


Doopliss_Power posted...
Pirate, confirming three Town and pretty much guaranteeing another scan isn't bad, so stop complaining about yourself and make your Sultan/geno reads less neutral.

This isn't a bit doop... I have to go offline tomorrow and I won't be Available until a week passes... I'm getting a replace now so I won't be a hindrance to town when you need an extra vote...
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Lolo_Guru
12/08/18 5:46:39 PM
#234:


Having a very busy weekend, will have time tonight.
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Doopliss_Power
12/08/18 6:16:51 PM
#235:


Pirate_Harris posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
Pirate, confirming three Town and pretty much guaranteeing another scan isn't bad, so stop complaining about yourself and make your Sultan/geno reads less neutral.

This isn't a bit doop... I have to go offline tomorrow and I won't be Available until a week passes... I'm getting a replace now so I won't be a hindrance to town when you need an extra vote...

Alright, that's a good reason.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/08/18 7:02:32 PM
#236:


Doopliss_Power posted...
confirming three Town


Nope?

Chris was killed on the night he was scanned.
Ben was killed on the night he was scanned.

You and I have been scanned, which is two (not 3), but godfathers are a thing so that's not nearly 100%, especially with as power heavy as town has been.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 7:51:27 PM
#237:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
confirming three Town


Nope?

Chris was killed on the night he was scanned.
Ben was killed on the night he was scanned.

You and I have been scanned, which is two (not 3), but godfathers are a thing so that's not nearly 100%, especially with as power heavy as town has been.


Thats a very good point
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hombad46
12/08/18 8:18:24 PM
#238:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
confirming three Town


Nope?

Chris was killed on the night he was scanned.
Ben was killed on the night he was scanned.

You and I have been scanned, which is two (not 3), but godfathers are a thing so that's not nearly 100%, especially with as power heavy as town has been.


Look he was trying to make Pirate feel better about leaving, you really gotta do that?
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Pirate_Harris
12/08/18 8:20:23 PM
#239:


hombad46 posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
confirming three Town


Nope?

Chris was killed on the night he was scanned.
Ben was killed on the night he was scanned.

You and I have been scanned, which is two (not 3), but godfathers are a thing so that's not nearly 100%, especially with as power heavy as town has been.


Look he was trying to make Pirate feel better about leaving, you really gotta do that?

It's fine Hombad... my cop play is the absolute worst ever and shouldn't be sugar coated... fd is doing the right thing
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eaedwards6400
12/08/18 9:56:46 PM
#240:


IfGodCouldDie has replaced Pirate_Harris
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 10:17:24 PM
#241:


Claim right away god.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 10:23:04 PM
#242:


Pirate also has a pretty good record of replacing out
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hombad46
12/08/18 10:31:27 PM
#243:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Claim right away god.


Gee I wonder what the claim will be
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 10:33:42 PM
#244:


hombad46 posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Claim right away god.


Gee I wonder what the claim will be


Probably same as pirates but you never know
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IfGodCouldDie
12/08/18 10:35:20 PM
#245:


When is deadline, I'm at my wife's Xmas party right now.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/08/18 10:54:33 PM
#246:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
When is deadline, I'm at my wife's Xmas party right now.


Tomorrow at 11
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IfGodCouldDie
12/08/18 10:59:28 PM
#247:


Ok.
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IfGodCouldDie
12/08/18 11:19:54 PM
#248:


Is anything archived?
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hombad46
12/08/18 11:26:01 PM
#249:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Is anything archived?


Yes, but the name of the site where things are LOGged cant be said on gameFAQS.COM
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Pendragon71037
12/09/18 12:51:05 AM
#250:


(Brought up from a while back because I've been crazy busy compared to my normal Saturday.)

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Pendragon71037 posted...
FD, if I wasn't the Doc, how do you explain the lack of an NK the night before last?


Who is scum to u

Man, I don't even know anymore. Everyone I thought was scum before has ended up dead and very much not scum.
Let's do some process of elimination here.
I believe Pirate (now IGCD) is actually the Cop, simply because I can't imagine a Scum Pirate keeping the act up this long. By extension, that confirms Doop and FD as Town.
I would be shocked if Battle or Hombad were Scum.
I'm Town, leaving four names out of six- Lolo, Sultan, Terra, and Geno.
Assuming a five-man scum team at start, with red and Scare gone that leaves three, and of those four names, I think I find the Town-est to be either Lolo or Geno.

Then again, I kind of have to ##Vote: Terra because, now that he's officially claimed Doc, I know he's actually lying, and not just not buying my claim because he thought I was Scum beforehand.
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