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Full Throttle 12/08/18 1:25:05 AM #1: |
Do you have a problem with addressing Transgender People by their preferred identity? - Results (15 votes)
Yes
46.67% (7 votes)
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No
53.33% (8 votes)
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The West Point School Board voted unanimously to dismiss him after he told superiors that his Christian faith prevented him from using male pronouns for a student who informed the school of his transition this summer. He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns but his attorney, Shawn Voyles said the school was willing to accept his compromise. The school said his plan would discriminate against the boy and now he said the school discriminated against his religious beliefs!! He was on paid leave on Halloween leading up to the hearing and his students have WALKED OUT in PROTEST over the firing!! He taught the student, who was a girl, during their 9th grade year last year but after his transition, he refuses to acknowledge that they are now male using masculine pronouns that made the student now feel uncomfortable and singled out. Principal Jonathan Hochman said that Vlaming told him that he "liked" and "missed" the FEMALE VERSION of the student. Peter also said that he cannot fathom seeing a girl turn into a boy as it is not "biologically possible" and he refuses to accept that despite being "socially acceptable" nowadays. The superintendent, Laura Abel said this discrimination leadsd to a hostile learning environment and students felt disrespected and the non discrimination policies were updated a year ago to protect gender identity 52 y/o parent, Jennifer Haynes supports Peter and said "If there's no policy in place, how can they just let him go?" Mera Babineaux is in support of the student and is the founder of Anti-Bullying and Discrimination who said no matter what sense of self or identity a child may have, public schools must remain a bastion of secular education Peter's lawyer says his rights are being violated even as a government employee that isn't allowing him to be free to be compelled to speak something that violates his conscience Peter said "My religious faith dictates that i am to love and respect everyone whether i agree with them or not because we are all made in God's image. I represente the state in my r ole as a public school teacher and therefore speak with a certain authority. That authority is not to be used to promote any one specific worldview and i don't. However we are today because a specific worldview is being imposed upon me." Peter also claims his job is in peril for having a view that the MAJORITY is held for most of human history and said that most people are too afraid to speak up against accepting transgender people where most are deep down AGAINST IT!! A small group of conservative students walked out in support of him and yelled "VLAMING" and protest over his firing and demand he get his job back. He is now considering a legal appeal and if his 1st Amendment rights are being violated Do you have a problem with addressing Transgender People by their preferred identity? Peter - Voldemort https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/07/19/7148300-6471579-image-a-43_1544209343062.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/07/18/7148318-6471579-image-a-36_1544208994414.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/07/19/7148284-6471579-image-a-49_1544210518480.jpg Jonathan - Principal https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/07/20/7148312-6471579-At_the_hearing_West_Point_High_School_principal_Jonathan_Hochman-a-1_1544214948455.jpg Conservative Kids - https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/07/18/7148462-6471579-image-a-29_1544208936775.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/07/18/7148460-6471579-image-a-41_1544209062125.jpg --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. A GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS. THIS ACCOUNT ONLY!! I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PleaseClap 12/08/18 1:27:14 AM #2: |
Yeah, fuck him
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Zeeak4444 12/08/18 1:28:54 AM #3: |
"My Christian faith" lmao.
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Gafemage 12/08/18 1:37:24 AM #4: |
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catboy0_0 12/08/18 1:39:21 AM #5: |
Full Throttle posted...
his Christian faith prevented him from using male pronouns yeah, that's not how Christian faith works sorry --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 12/08/18 1:48:09 AM #6: |
Good on that school for doing the right thing.
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monkmith 12/08/18 2:00:56 AM #7: |
he got fired for ranting at the school board, not for the gender pronoun thing. they dont appreciate a teacher openly ranting during a public meeting...
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_Rinku_ 12/08/18 2:02:14 AM #8: |
It's not that hard to not be an asshole.
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FvP 12/08/18 2:02:35 AM #9: |
He doesn't look friendly and doesn't look like he has any empathy
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toyota 12/08/18 2:03:13 AM #10: |
Full Throttle posted...
Peter also said that he cannot fathom seeing a girl turn into a boy as it is not "biologically possible" and he refuses to accept that despite being "socially acceptable" nowadays. But it isnt biologically possible? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mrduckbear 12/08/18 1:33:04 PM #11: |
looks like a tie
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OctilIery 12/08/18 1:35:03 PM #12: |
So he got fired for being a bigoted pos. Fair, next.
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ImTheMacheteGuy 12/08/18 1:41:17 PM #13: |
What posts 2,3,4,6,9 and 12 said.
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DezDroppedFreak 12/08/18 1:44:19 PM #14: |
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mrduckbear 12/08/18 9:54:48 PM #15: |
now NO is in the lead!
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voldothegr8 12/08/18 10:08:19 PM #16: |
monkmith posted...
he got fired for ranting at the school board, not for the gender pronoun thing. they dont appreciate a teacher openly ranting during a public meeting... This, the school board was fine with him simply using the student's name. He couldn't keep his damn mouth shut about it though. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 8 (3) | THE Ohio State: 11-1 | Oakland Raiders: 2-8 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 12/08/18 10:14:38 PM #17: |
He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns so whats the issue? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 12/09/18 1:10:45 AM #18: |
ModLogic posted...
He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns He refused to refer to the boy by his gender. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 12/09/18 1:19:02 AM #20: |
I compromise at calling people he/she. I'm too old to learn anything else
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MakoReizei 12/09/18 1:19:36 AM #21: |
Full Throttle posted...
Peter also said that he cannot fathom seeing a girl turn into a boy as it is not "biologically possible" and he refuses to accept that despite being "socially acceptable" nowadays. Is he wrong here? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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monkmith 12/09/18 1:21:06 AM #22: |
ModLogic posted...
He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns he went on a tirade in public during a school board meeting. --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 12/09/18 1:25:00 AM #23: |
OctilIery posted...
ModLogic posted...He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns seems like a reasonable compromise to just use the kid's name --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EternalDivide 12/09/18 1:32:41 AM #24: |
MakoReizei posted...
Full Throttle posted...Peter also said that he cannot fathom seeing a girl turn into a boy as it is not "biologically possible" and he refuses to accept that despite being "socially acceptable" nowadays. Shhh. Facts and reality are now hate speech in this world now that we let the inmates run the asylum. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 12/09/18 1:37:55 AM #25: |
MakoReizei posted...
Full Throttle posted...Peter also said that he cannot fathom seeing a girl turn into a boy as it is not "biologically possible" and he refuses to accept that despite being "socially acceptable" nowadays. Yes, morally. --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 12/09/18 1:42:39 AM #26: |
Kid should've just gotten moved to a different class. Now the school is going to be ravaged in a law suit.
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OctilIery 12/09/18 1:45:12 AM #27: |
ModLogic posted...
OctilIery posted...ModLogic posted...He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns There is no compromise here. Just call him by his gender. FLUFFYGERM posted... Kid should've just gotten moved to a different class. Now the school is going to be ravaged in a law suit. They didn't break any laws so not likely. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 12/09/18 2:19:12 AM #28: |
OctilIery posted...
ModLogic posted...OctilIery posted...ModLogic posted...He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns kid in my class wanted to be called sir tots cos he identified as a super hero. do you humor him? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 12/09/18 11:36:18 AM #29: |
ModLogic posted...
OctilIery posted...ModLogic posted...OctilIery posted...ModLogic posted...He offered to use the boy's name and to avoid feminine pronouns First off, yes, why not, it causes no harm and makes him happy. Second off, that isn't comparable at all to transgenderism no matter how you try and twist the facts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 12/09/18 11:39:04 AM #30: |
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Knowledge_King 12/09/18 4:06:53 PM #31: |
So the teacher did nothing wrong.
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DarkTransient 12/09/18 4:15:52 PM #32: |
OctilIery posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...Kid should've just gotten moved to a different class. Now the school is going to be ravaged in a law suit. A government employee being prohibited from freedom of speech and religion absolutely violates not just the law, but the constitution. That's why you deal with people like this by finding some unrelated technicality to get them on. --- https://imgtc.com/i/0mboxsZ.png <-- Tiamat is best babe, if you disagree you're objectively wrong. https://tinyurl.com/dtlamulana2 <-- La-Mulana 2 LP ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 12/09/18 4:17:31 PM #33: |
DarkTransient posted...
A government employee being prohibited from freedom of speech and religion absolutely violates not just the law, but the constitution. Good thing he's being prohibited from neither. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 12/09/18 4:18:43 PM #35: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
DarkTransient posted...A government employee being prohibited from freedom of speech and religion absolutely violates not just the law, but the constitution. He's being fired over exercising those rights. That absolutely qualifies, and if he does take legal action, he's got a 100% guaranteed win, especially now that the Supreme Court is no longer left-biased and willing to ignore the constitution when it suits their agenda. --- https://imgtc.com/i/0mboxsZ.png <-- Tiamat is best babe, if you disagree you're objectively wrong. https://tinyurl.com/dtlamulana2 <-- La-Mulana 2 LP ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 12/09/18 4:20:27 PM #36: |
DezDroppedFreak posted...
Just say the damn pronouns holy shit You say it. I'm not doing it. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: Adzeta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/09/18 4:21:03 PM #37: |
DarkTransient posted...
OctilIery posted...FLUFFYGERM posted... Government employees are agents of the state, so therefore they have a greater onus on respecting the 1st amendment rights of others over themselves, because they are the government. This teacher refusing to accept the free expression of his student is far more tyrannical than the teacher being asked to stop going out of his way to be an asshole. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 12/09/18 4:21:45 PM #38: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
DarkTransient posted...OctilIery posted...FLUFFYGERM posted... Show me where he stopped the kid from expressing himself, rather than simply not going along with it. The first amendment says the government can't prohibit speech; not that they're required to agree with it. --- https://imgtc.com/i/0mboxsZ.png <-- Tiamat is best babe, if you disagree you're objectively wrong. https://tinyurl.com/dtlamulana2 <-- La-Mulana 2 LP ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/09/18 4:23:04 PM #39: |
DarkTransient posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...DarkTransient posted... That last bit is where the issue is. The student shouldn't have to compromise with the government over respecting his 1st amendment right. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 12/09/18 4:23:40 PM #40: |
DarkTransient posted...
He's being fired over exercising those rights. Objectively wrong. He's being fired for imposing his religious views on a student, which he absolutely has no right to do. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/09/18 4:23:43 PM #41: |
The 1st amendment doesn't cover just speech. It also covers expression.
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nuthuggerclem 12/09/18 4:25:31 PM #42: |
does no one else think it's crazy that 15 year old is allowed to change genders, and this man lost his job for not meeting a 15 year olds demands?
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DarkTransient 12/09/18 4:27:57 PM #43: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
DarkTransient posted...A_Good_Boy posted...DarkTransient posted... Once again, freedom to express himself does not equate to a requirement for anyone else to go along with it; only for them to not prevent him from doing so himself. This teacher didn't say "You can't use male pronouns / present as male / etc". Just that he himself would not play along with it. And to be clear, I'm not saying the teacher was in the right. Just that legally, this won't stand up. Which is why they should've found an unrelated thing to get him over. --- https://imgtc.com/i/0mboxsZ.png <-- Tiamat is best babe, if you disagree you're objectively wrong. https://tinyurl.com/dtlamulana2 <-- La-Mulana 2 LP ... Copied to Clipboard!
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crazygamer21 12/09/18 4:31:10 PM #44: |
OctilIery posted...
So he got fired for being a bigoted pos. Fair, next. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 12/09/18 4:32:26 PM #45: |
DarkTransient posted...
freedom to express himself "Freedom to express himself" does not cover how teachers refer to students. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vocedelmorte 12/09/18 4:34:23 PM #46: |
Anyone who have a problem with addressing transgender people by their preferred pronouns are just assholes.
And he is a typical bigot for covering it with his Christian faith, as usual. Deserved to be fired ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jborgan 12/09/18 4:41:08 PM #47: |
This professor and his supporters are the type to get offended if you say "Happy Holidays".
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ModLogic 12/09/18 4:46:46 PM #48: |
OctilIery posted...
that isn't comparable at all this is based off your experience as a psychiatrist? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/09/18 4:57:41 PM #49: |
The true test here is when someone is fired for refusing to use pronouns entirely.
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MangaFan462 12/09/18 4:59:17 PM #50: |
Thanks progressives for pushing insanity on our youth
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