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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:21:09 PM
#52:


Highwind07 posted...
People are overlooking the fact that this is severely and seriously unfair to the female competitive scene and instead just going for finger pointing ITT.


How dare you use logic!!!!

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ZMythos
12/15/18 8:21:40 PM
#53:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
In your opinion.

They are factually not men.

Highwind07 posted...
People are overlooking the fact that this is severely and seriously unfair to the female competitive scene and instead just going for finger pointing ITT.

There's literally no evidence that this is a problem or that it's even true.

Grischnak posted...
What's offensive about being called "beastly"? If I tell my buddy he looks like a beast that's a compliment not an insult.

Calling a mtf transgender person a man is offensive.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:22:26 PM
#54:


MTF transgender athletes only make the news when they win.

Now, what might actually be helpful is reviewing the guidelines that allow transwomen to compete and working towards a more universal standard.

I get it though, insulting transgender people is easier.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:22:36 PM
#55:


ZMythos posted...
They are factually not men.


I'm pretty sure they are biologically speaking.
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Grischnak
12/15/18 8:24:51 PM
#57:


ZMythos posted...
Calling a mtf transgender person a man is offensive


A "beast" isn't a man. If I watch a a female MMA fighter kick the shit out of her opponent and I say "she's a beast tonight" that's not me calling her a man.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:26:09 PM
#59:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
imagine responding to this gimmick


It's fun.
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HiddenLurker
12/15/18 8:27:00 PM
#61:


PleaseClap posted...
Hairistotle posted...
dont stats show that transgender athletes dont necessarily perform better than cis athletes

CE doesnt really care about stats and science when it comes to trans people

*Claims stats and science*
*no actual stats or science cited or linked*
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ModLogic
12/15/18 8:27:03 PM
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ZMythos
12/15/18 8:27:07 PM
#63:


Grischnak posted...
A "beast" isn't a man.

KillerKhan420 posted...
That's one beastly looking man/woman.

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Vicious_Dios
12/15/18 8:27:35 PM
#64:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
imagine responding to this gimmick


It's fun.


He's trying so hard to change our minds.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:27:55 PM
#65:


We talk about "fairness," but that's always been a sketchy thing in sports. Even among men, some athletes are clearly more physically advantaged than the rest, and yet we don't consider that unfair because "well, at least they're both men."

The reality is that sex-based segregation in sports may have never been enough in the first place.
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glitteringfairy
12/15/18 8:27:57 PM
#66:


What is wrong with Zmythos?
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tennisdude818
12/15/18 8:28:09 PM
#67:


ZMythos posted...
AlecSkorpio posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Sadly, this can very easily lead to a new kind of anti-trans backlash in the future. Female athletes aren't gonna stand for always losing to mtf trans athletes for much longer.


Someone in another topic theorized that MTF are going to start getting hired over cis women to fill diversity quotas, and when they are inevitably not effected by the "wage gap" there's going to be a sudden backlash.

Yes we're going to see millions of men voluntarily go through the transitioning process just because they think they're going to beat women at sports.

Because female athletes are historically the most paid profession in the west.

Of course.


If you don't think that a lot of people will choose winning against women over losing against men, you seriously underestimate how competitive athletes can be.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:28:42 PM
#68:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
MTF transgender athletes only make the news when they win.

Now, what might actually be helpful is reviewing the guidelines that allow transwomen to compete and working towards a more universal standard.

I get it though, insulting transgender people is easier.


MTF athletes always win

They do not.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:28:49 PM
#69:


Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:29:16 PM
#70:


glitteringfairy posted...
What is wrong with Zmythos?


Just letting feelings get in the way, like most libs do.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:31:58 PM
#72:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.
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Vicious_Dios
12/15/18 8:32:54 PM
#73:


Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


How many more bashed-in skulls do you people need?
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:33:11 PM
#74:


Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


So we should only discuss it if the MTF fighter breaks in more skulls?
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:34:11 PM
#75:


Vicious_Dios posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


How many more bashed-in skulls do you people need?

More than one at least, if you want to prove that this is a significant risk and not a fluke occurence.
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ModLogic
12/15/18 8:34:33 PM
#76:


Vicious_Dios posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


How many more bashed-in skulls do you people need?

you are dealing with "those who are hypocritically "obsessed with political correctness" in order to "satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority" motivated from an "ignorant and arrogant" Western-centric worldview"
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tennisdude818
12/15/18 8:35:40 PM
#77:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
ZMythos posted...
AlecSkorpio posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Sadly, this can very easily lead to a new kind of anti-trans backlash in the future. Female athletes aren't gonna stand for always losing to mtf trans athletes for much longer.


Someone in another topic theorized that MTF are going to start getting hired over cis women to fill diversity quotas, and when they are inevitably not effected by the "wage gap" there's going to be a sudden backlash.

Yes we're going to see millions of men voluntarily go through the transitioning process just because they think they're going to beat women at sports.

Because female athletes are historically the most paid profession in the west.

Of course.


If you don't think that a lot of people will choose winning against women over losing against men, you seriously underestimate how competitive athletes can be.


They would get paid more too. Theyll be on top of their sport AND theyll get all the endorsements for breaking boundaries and being brave.

Its actually a pretty smart decision if you suck at sports.


At at the college level they will get more scholarships. Not only is it easier to compete against women, but thanks to Title 9 women have a much easier time earning athletic scholarships anyway.
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Vicious_Dios
12/15/18 8:36:06 PM
#78:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Vicious_Dios posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


How many more bashed-in skulls do you people need?

More than one at least, if you want to prove that this is a significant risk and not a fluke occurence.


Tell that to the victim. See if she'll agree.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:36:16 PM
#79:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


So we should only discuss it if the MTF fighter breaks in more skulls?

It is unreasonable to assume that something will be common based on a single instance of it happening.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:37:51 PM
#80:


Vicious_Dios posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Vicious_Dios posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


How many more bashed-in skulls do you people need?

More than one at least, if you want to prove that this is a significant risk and not a fluke occurence.


Tell that to the victim. See if she'll agree.

It's unfortunate that it happened to her, but it doesn't matter if she agrees. That would be an emotional appeal.
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CornBarn
12/15/18 8:39:59 PM
#82:


Looks like a beautiful sign of diversity and inclusion to me.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:40:56 PM
#83:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Need more sample size

*gives example*

Need more sample size

*gives another example*

Need more sample size

That's how data analysis works. I thought we were trying to move away from judgments based on emotional reactions?
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:42:08 PM
#84:


Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Anyone remember that MTF MMA thing?

Transgender MMA Fighter Breaks Female Opponents Skull.

Ive fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night.


Fair fight or nah?

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/transgender-mma-fighter-breaks-female-opponents-skull-are-we-getting-too-politically-correct-with-reality/

One fight is a pretty bad sample size.


So we should only discuss it if the MTF fighter breaks in more skulls?

It is unreasonable to assume that something will be common based on a single instance of it happening.


Well, I mean....

If you think about a man fighting a woman, what are the chances of the man overpowering the woman in general?
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:43:21 PM
#86:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
The issue is whenever these topics come up people like you come in.


They also ignore the facts right in front of them.

i.e. the MTF person was once or is a man baby.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:44:50 PM
#87:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Need more sample size

*gives example*

Need more sample size

*gives another example*

Need more sample size

That's how data analysis works. I thought we were trying to move away from judgments based on emotional reactions?


The issue is whenever these topics come up people like you come in and make the sample size argument, completely forgetting the million other times youve made that argument before.

Exaggeration won't help you. And again, if we're talking about transgender athletes as a whole, there's clearly going to be a reporting bias towards those who win just like there is for all athletes.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:48:31 PM
#89:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Need more sample size

*gives example*

Need more sample size

*gives another example*

Need more sample size

That's how data analysis works. I thought we were trying to move away from judgments based on emotional reactions?


The issue is whenever these topics come up people like you come in and make the sample size argument, completely forgetting the million other times youve made that argument before.

Exaggeration won't help you. And again, if we're talking about transgender athletes as a whole, there's clearly going to be a reporting bias towards those who win just like there is for all athletes.


So even if we did provide you with enough for mah sample size you would disregard it as reporting bias.

Good to know

Do you disagree that you should have a significant amount of data before you can reasonably identify a trend? Do you disagree that news outlets will report on wins more than losses?
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KillerKhan420
12/15/18 8:49:22 PM
#90:


The trans lovers in this topic, wtf. They are fishing for a thread that goes on and on and on. Mtf transgenders shouldn't be allowed in anything physical involving women. It's not fair end of conversation. If you think they do you won't be happy until someone is killed because the genetics the trans had before doing his hormone therapy will always be there.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:51:23 PM
#92:


It's also extremely telling that none of you seem interested in an actual solution to this proposed unfairness, and are instead perfectly content with just misgendering trans athletes.

And yet somehow you insult others for being emotional.
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iPhone_7
12/15/18 8:52:08 PM
#94:


We should be promoting MtF trans people to join womens sports. Anybody who says no is a bigot
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:52:36 PM
#95:


iPhone_7 posted...
We should be promoting MtF trans people to join womens sports. Anybody who says no is a bigot


Whatever you say buddy.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:53:32 PM
#97:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
It's also extremely telling that none of you seem interested in an actual solution to this proposed unfairness, and are instead perfectly content with just misgendering trans athletes.

And yet somehow you insult others for being emotional.


The solution is biological males should stick to mens sports


QFT.

inb4Offended.
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CornBarn
12/15/18 8:55:16 PM
#98:


Why do some people want to pretend there are no differences between women and trans-women?
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:55:35 PM
#99:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Need more sample size

*gives example*

Need more sample size

*gives another example*

Need more sample size

That's how data analysis works. I thought we were trying to move away from judgments based on emotional reactions?


The issue is whenever these topics come up people like you come in and make the sample size argument, completely forgetting the million other times youve made that argument before.

Exaggeration won't help you. And again, if we're talking about transgender athletes as a whole, there's clearly going to be a reporting bias towards those who win just like there is for all athletes.


So even if we did provide you with enough for mah sample size you would disregard it as reporting bias.

Good to know

Do you disagree that you should have a significant amount of data before you can reasonably identify a trend? Do you disagree that news outlets will report on wins more than losses?


*shows you siginificant amount of data accumulated over time*

Reporter bias

Examples of trans athletes winning in sports news is not a significant amount of data. In fact, news reporting itself is almost never a significant amount of data unless the data you're analyzing is on news reporting itself.

I also noticed you didn't answer whether you disagreed or not.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 8:55:40 PM
#100:


CornBarn posted...
Why do some people want to pretend there are no differences between women and trans-women?


Because feelings.
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