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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 8:58:25 PM
#102:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
It's also extremely telling that none of you seem interested in an actual solution to this proposed unfairness, and are instead perfectly content with just misgendering trans athletes.

And yet somehow you insult others for being emotional.


The solution is biological males should stick to mens sports

That's not a solution in a world where we segregate based on men and women. It's also not a solution to those who've gone through the transitioning process.

If you're actually interested in fair competition, you should be for more granular criteria for competitive eligibility.
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Dabrikishaw15
12/15/18 8:59:47 PM
#105:


It's a predicable result, but not a morally outrageous one.
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_Squirtle_
12/15/18 9:00:21 PM
#106:


If i start 20 feet ahead of you in a race but you still win, that doesn't mean I didn't have an advantage when we started.

A Trans woman being bad athlete doesn't mean they're not bigger and stronger than most cis women.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 9:00:34 PM
#107:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
I also noticed you didn't answer whether you disagreed or not.


I dont disagree. The issue is like I said, this happens over and over again over time, people like you come in and argue sample size forgetting you made that argument a hundred times before. There will never be enough data for you because youre going to a) dismiss it as not enough because it conflicts with your narrative or b) dismiss it for arbitrary reasons like reporting bias! because it conflicts with your narrative

No, you just don't understand how data analysis works if you think pulling up examples of transgender athletes winning in sports news is how you go about proving your point.
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ZMythos
12/15/18 9:02:06 PM
#108:


CornBarn posted...
Why do some people want to pretend there are no differences between women and trans-women?

How about you provide data and scientific evidence that these differences are a problem.

FireJoeGirardi posted...
The solution is biological males should stick to mens sports

Good thing mtf transgender women have more in common biologically with their identified gender than their "biological sex"
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 9:02:26 PM
#109:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
It's also extremely telling that none of you seem interested in an actual solution to this proposed unfairness, and are instead perfectly content with just misgendering trans athletes.

And yet somehow you insult others for being emotional.


The solution is biological males should stick to mens sports

That's not a solution in a world where we segregate based on men and women. It's also not a solution to those who've gone through the transitioning process.

If you're actually interested in fair competition, you should be for more granular criteria for competitive eligibility.


Life isnt fair. The same reason a blind person cant play football is the same reason why a MtF shouldnt play in womens sports. You cant always get what you want.

So you admit that this isn't about fairness to you. At least you finally let that pretense go.
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Comfy_Pillow
12/15/18 9:03:30 PM
#112:


ZMythos posted...
CornBarn posted...
Why do some people want to pretend there are no differences between women and trans-women?

How about you provide data and scientific evidence that these differences are a problem.

FireJoeGirardi posted...
The solution is biological males should stick to mens sports

Good thing mtf transgender women have more in common biologically with their identified gender than their "biological sex"


"Use data"
*makes claim with no data*
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:03:55 PM
#113:


ZMythos posted...
How about you provide data and scientific evidence that these differences are a problem.


Male.
Female.
MMA combat.

Done.
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Dragonblade01
12/15/18 9:05:14 PM
#114:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
FireJoeGirardi posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
It's also extremely telling that none of you seem interested in an actual solution to this proposed unfairness, and are instead perfectly content with just misgendering trans athletes.

And yet somehow you insult others for being emotional.


The solution is biological males should stick to mens sports

That's not a solution in a world where we segregate based on men and women. It's also not a solution to those who've gone through the transitioning process.

If you're actually interested in fair competition, you should be for more granular criteria for competitive eligibility.


Life isnt fair. The same reason a blind person cant play football is the same reason why a MtF shouldnt play in womens sports. You cant always get what you want.

So you admit that this isn't about fairness to you. At least you finally let that pretense go.


Since when is competitive sports fair? Are we going to kick LeBron out of the league for being an athletic freak of nature?

Then what's your issue with transgender athletes? It can't be that it's unfair to cisgender women, since you just admitted that you're fine with competitive sports being unfair.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:07:29 PM
#116:


Hairistotle posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
ZMythos posted...
How about you provide data and scientific evidence that these differences are a problem.


Male.
Female.
MMA combat.

Done.

cmon


What, did I say something false?
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:11:02 PM
#118:


Hairistotle posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
What, did I say something false?

u ignored his post and acted like u answered it


Did I not?

A man will have a significant advantage over a female in MMA combat.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:16:30 PM
#120:


Hairistotle posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
Did I not

u did not


Don't ignore the important part.

EpicKingdom_ posted...
A man will have a significant advantage over a female in MMA combat.

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ZMythos
12/15/18 9:20:58 PM
#122:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
A man will have a significant advantage over a female in MMA combat.

Okay.

But what scientific evidence suggest that a trans woman has an advantage over a cis woman?
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:24:08 PM
#123:


ZMythos posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
A man will have a significant advantage over a female in MMA combat.

Okay.

But what scientific evidence suggest that a trans woman has an advantage over a cis woman?

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CornBarn
12/15/18 9:24:56 PM
#124:


ZMythos is trolling right?
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:25:20 PM
#125:


CornBarn posted...
ZMythos is trolling right?


He's not trolling, he is just thinking with his wittle feelings.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:27:31 PM
#127:


Hairistotle posted...
how are feelings involved with "scientific data"


Failure to acknowledge that their is a man involved in the topic at hand and a man always has an advantage physically over a woman.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:31:00 PM
#129:


Hairistotle posted...
ok man. zmythos id just bail it seems like theyre just trolling. i mean theyre blatantly ignoring us


k bye Felicia

Take your feelings with you on the way out.
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ZMythos
12/15/18 9:31:46 PM
#130:


Hairistotle posted...
ok man. zmythos id just bail it seems like theyre just trolling. i mean theyre blatantly ignoring us

Yea, but it's unfortunate that people like that exist.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:32:17 PM
#131:


ZMythos posted...
Hairistotle posted...
ok man. zmythos id just bail it seems like theyre just trolling. i mean theyre blatantly ignoring us

Yea, but it's unfortunate that people like that exist.


Right back at you to be honest.

Use your brain next time.
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Ryuko_Chan
12/15/18 9:35:00 PM
#133:


weird to see. Epickingdom and zmythos are trolling one another.
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UltraDeku
12/15/18 9:36:54 PM
#134:


Posting in a controversial thread.
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HiddenLurker
12/15/18 9:42:45 PM
#135:


ZMythos posted...
Hairistotle posted...
ok man. zmythos id just bail it seems like theyre just trolling. i mean theyre blatantly ignoring us

Yea, but it's unfortunate that people like that exist.

You two keep citing "stats and scientific data" and yet not one link to any stats or scientific data. Before you complain about people ignoring you why don't you actually show where your claims of stats and scientific data come from
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Grischnak
12/15/18 9:44:29 PM
#136:


ZMythos posted...
Grischnak posted...
A "beast" isn't a man.

KillerKhan420 posted...
That's one beastly looking man/woman.


Did you just call yourself out for being wrong? Because I asked you "what is wrong with calling someone a beast". I never asked "what is wrong with calling a woman a man". Now did I? So you're arguing against something that was never said by me.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:44:51 PM
#137:


HiddenLurker posted...
ZMythos posted...
Hairistotle posted...
ok man. zmythos id just bail it seems like theyre just trolling. i mean theyre blatantly ignoring us

Yea, but it's unfortunate that people like that exist.

You two keep citing "stats and scientific data" and yet not one link to any stats or scientific data. Before you complain about people ignoring you why don't you actually show where your claims of stats and scientific data come from


That and not ignore the fact of who is involved in this "data" we are suppose to be analyzing...

(i.e. a male to female vs. a woman in MMA combat).
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ZMythos
12/15/18 9:49:01 PM
#138:


HiddenLurker posted...

You two keep citing "stats and scientific data" and yet not one link to any stats or scientific data. Before you complain about people ignoring you why don't you actually show where your claims of stats and scientific data come from

The burden of proof is on the people claiming that MtF transgender people have an inherent and significant advantage in sports.

EpicKingdom_ posted...
(i.e. a male to female vs. a woman in MMA combat).


You can't just take a portion of it and claim that you're making a point.

MtF =/= cis man
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HiddenLurker
12/15/18 9:50:51 PM
#139:


ZMythos posted...
The burden of proof is on the people claiming that MtF transgender people have an inherent and significant advantage in sports.

So your "stats and scientific data" are ass pulls. Ok dude that is why people are ignoring you. And now so will I since you will not debate in good faith.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
12/15/18 9:52:33 PM
#141:


toyota posted...
https://i.redd.it/mbj28owutu221.jpg

Straight up looking like broly out there against cis-women

How long before the female sporting world catches on that if they seriously want to win that they should be recruiting mtf transgenders to the team?

Lmao@ the pic with the Arabic women.
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 9:55:03 PM
#142:


@ZMythos

If you are born a male, you are a male.

If you are born a female, you are a female.

Facts only.

A MTF athlete will always have an advantage over a female physically, especially in MMA since that's what we are discussing.

Also, welcome back to the topic.
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gunplagirl
12/15/18 9:58:01 PM
#143:


Oh look more people using the unscientific phrase "genetic/ biological sex"

Go ahead, CEmen, tell me the last time you got phenotyped and genotyped to prove you're men

I'm guessing never, you're only acting on assumption yet you're going to claim to be the one with the scientific knowledge
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gunplagirl
12/15/18 9:59:29 PM
#144:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
@ZMythos

If you are born a male, you are a male.

If you are born a female, you are a female.

Facts only.

A MTF athlete will always have an advantage over a female physically, especially in MMA since that's what we are discussing.

Also, welcome back to the topic.

If you are born a baby, you are a baby
If you are born alive, you are alive

Oh wait, this is some toddler object permanence levels of moronic assertions
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EpicKingdom_
12/15/18 10:01:24 PM
#147:


@gunplagirl

There are only two genders, it is a very simple concept to grasp unless you think with your feelings.
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gunplagirl
12/15/18 10:02:15 PM
#149:


FireJoeGirardi posted...
Do you like steroids in sports?


Trans women actually have less testosterone than their cis counterparts so comparatively, the cis are the ones on steroids.
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gunplagirl
12/15/18 10:03:16 PM
#150:


EpicKingdom_ posted...
@gunplagirl

There are only two genders, it is a very simple concept to grasp unless you think with your feelings.


That has nothing to do with what I said, and it's not the scientific consensus at this time but do go on
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Questionmarktarius
12/15/18 10:03:55 PM
#151:


The tl;dr of every goddamn time this comes up:

"Acceptance! Equality!! ...except for reasons I don't like."
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