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DoubleDare 12/20/18 10:02:06 AM #51: |
I'd make a blue cake with blue on the inside.
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BLAKUboy 12/20/18 10:03:25 AM #52: |
Sad_Face posted...
The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions He did not, as the Supreme Court did not rule he could refuse service to LGBTQ. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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0TiamaT0 12/20/18 10:04:28 AM #53: |
I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now.
You can live whatever lifestyle you want, but you have no right to force it on to others. All this does is hurt the LGBT movement. The baker is going to win again, and they are they are just gong to look like idiots - again. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 10:04:45 AM #54: |
There is one thing people need to understand about religion and belief. Belief isn't a choice. You can't make yourself believe in something. Belief, at it's center, is being convinced of something. If something convinces you, that's an internal process that you didn't choose to happen.
Now, you CAN choose to follow something that you don't actually believe in. I'm sure many self proclaimed Christians aren't actually believers and they just follow the lifestyle out of habit/routine, or for any other reason. The truly devout tho, they aren't choosing to believe. You're either convinced god is, or you're not. Belief can obviously change over time, so it's not immutable. However, I cannot concede on the idea that truly believing in something isn't a direct choice. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 12/20/18 10:06:22 AM #55: |
0TiamaT0 posted...
I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now. He didn't win before though? And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 10:07:43 AM #56: |
Funkydog posted...
He didn't win before though? In this case, I don't think he was forcing any belief, but more defending his own. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountDog 12/20/18 10:09:15 AM #57: |
rhklce posted...
All these people upset hes refusing service to go against his beliefs are the same ones that get mad and want people to think their beliefs matter and carry weight. No, just to stop bothering me about My beliefs --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 12/20/18 10:09:31 AM #58: |
Dyinglegacy posted...
Funkydog posted...He didn't win before though? So it would be okay to refuse to sell to black people or a white person if he believed some bigoted rubbish about them? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoubleDare 12/20/18 10:13:00 AM #60: |
To the people for the bakery having to make a cake.
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Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 10:14:04 AM #61: |
Funkydog posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...Funkydog posted...He didn't win before though? Would it be okay with me? Probably not, but I'm not the law. I'm not sure on the laws when it comes to personal businesses. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 12/20/18 10:14:41 AM #62: |
Obviously he's going to win, since theres like 5 whole chapters in the bible about how you're not allowed to sell things to transgender people
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BLAKUboy 12/20/18 10:16:17 AM #63: |
eston posted...
Obviously he's going to win, since theres like 5 whole chapters in the bible about how you're not allowed to sell things to transgender people Ah yes, the book of Cletus I believe. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paragon21XX 12/20/18 10:16:50 AM #64: |
Chicken posted...
If he baked the cake and thenput like razor blades in it or some shit then theyd have a case against him. Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. no bulli pls DoubleDare posted... To the people for the bakery having to make a cake. Allow me to answer for them: "PoLiTiCaL bElIeFs ArE nOt A pRoTeCtEd ClAsS" --- Hmm... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nazanir 12/20/18 10:17:03 AM #65: |
gunplagirl posted...
It doesn't matter if it was intentional that she sought out this particular cake shop - if he's discriminating and it violates the civil rights of others then he deserves to lose the case and be fined for what is now a clear-cut pattern of discrimination. Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans? Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies? You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough). --- XboX GT/Steam/Wii-U - Nazanir ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountDog 12/20/18 10:17:19 AM #66: |
Funkydog posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...Funkydog posted...He didn't win before though? Did these people alter thier skin color? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 12/20/18 10:18:05 AM #67: |
Nazanir posted...
You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough). "Accept my intollerance" is and always be bullshit. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 10:19:01 AM #68: |
Paragon21XX posted...
Allow me to answer for them: "PoLiTiCaL bElIeFs ArE nOt A pRoTeCtEd ClAsS" Is that the only thing stopping people from behaving in any certain way? Whether or not it's protected? --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sad_Face 12/20/18 10:20:34 AM #69: |
BLAKUboy posted...
Sad_Face posted...The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions Ah, I sit corrected on that. But having gone through that ordeal, investing so much to fight for what he believes in, there's no way he'd cave to another LGBTQ request. He's just going to double down on his beliefs. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenLurker 12/20/18 10:21:19 AM #70: |
Funkydog posted...
He didn't win before though? He isn't though. He is but 1 baker out of thousands in the entire state. It was the jackass that sought him out and intentionally tried to start shit that is forcing their beliefs on him. On the same day the SC announced their ruling on his case no less. --- [Insert tired meme here] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 10:22:20 AM #71: |
Funkydog posted...
Nazanir posted...You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough). Tolerance, as it's used today, is bullshit. Tolerance is allowing something to be, even though you don't necessarily like or agree with it. People don't seem to really do that, as the things they tolerate, they actually openly embrace. That's not what tolerance is. There is a drastic difference between tolerance and open support/acceptance. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 12/20/18 10:22:42 AM #72: |
Funkydog posted...
0TiamaT0 posted...I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now. Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 9 (3) | THE Ohio State: 12-1 | Oakland Raiders: 3-11 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 12/20/18 10:23:03 AM #73: |
Sad_Face posted...
gunplagirl posted...Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination. He didn't have a successful case, the state overstepped their boundaries which basically meant the case was nullified. And regardless of if she knew he would discriminate or not, if he's discriminating then he's in violation of the law. A basic criminal equivalent of this would be if a drug dealer got arrested, one of the police officers on the case violated his rights, and ultimately the case had to be thrown out. A few days later, he's back at it again and selling drugs. Him having the charges dropped doesn't mean that he didn't break the law, just that in that instance of the crimes he committed he couldn't legally be prosecuted. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 12/20/18 10:24:50 AM #74: |
voldothegr8 posted...
Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker? This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AltOmega 12/20/18 10:25:22 AM #75: |
Welp, this is basically the consequences of live and let live; you're eventually going to have groups that don't mesh well.
Personally, private entities shouldn't be willed by the government into doing anything unless they're actively hurting others; refusing to bake a cake via discrimination isn't harmful to anyone. The offended parties should just boycott the establishment or open up their own cake shop. --- - I dislike Sony and Nintendo equally but own both of their consoles plus a PC. - I'm a traditional leftist and I literally work for the government. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 12/20/18 10:28:10 AM #76: |
Nazanir posted...
Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans? Have you ever seen people order cakes before? "Yes can I get that Bob the builder birthday cake and can it say happy birthday Jimmy and can you give me one of those candles shaped like the number 5?" It's a detail that while it might be unnecessary to fulfill the order, still might come up naturally in the course of specifying the details of the order. Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies? The only jimmies rustled are those of the intolerant. And people's religious beliefs should never be allowed to supercede the civil rights of others. But do go on about how much you have to say Islam, it's awfully telling when people bring it up unprovoked. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 12/20/18 10:29:04 AM #77: |
eston posted...
voldothegr8 posted...Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker? Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 9 (3) | THE Ohio State: 12-1 | Oakland Raiders: 3-11 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rhklce 12/20/18 10:29:45 AM #78: |
gunplagirl posted...
Nazanir posted...Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans? God, youre so funny. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 10:30:05 AM #79: |
This bigot will end going to court over not wanting to bake a cake for one of the mud races (this is how Mormons refer to black people)
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Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 10:30:31 AM #80: |
The devoutly religious should probably just build their own community so this just doesn't happen anymore. I mean, they are commanded to be separate from the world. However, they are also commanded to go out and spread the gospel. So, what do they do?
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gunplagirl 12/20/18 10:33:30 AM #81: |
voldothegr8 posted...
eston posted...voldothegr8 posted...Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker? Okay. So you're saying that the law doesn't matter? That even though he's probably breaking the law by violating the civil rights of others, they should just ignore him? --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvoTech 12/20/18 10:34:30 AM #82: |
voldothegr8 posted...
Funkydog posted...0TiamaT0 posted...I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now. Insecurity --- Now Playing: Monster Hunter World / FFXII Remaster / FFXIV: Stormblood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 10:38:40 AM #83: |
EvoTech posted...
voldothegr8 posted...Funkydog posted...0TiamaT0 posted...I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now. Lmao. I believe I can eat a cake is controversial now? *goes to Burger King* Bigots: people name Mike do not have the right to drink soda!!! It is a well known belief! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HenryAllbright 12/20/18 10:38:57 AM #84: |
Funkydog posted...
And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then? The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands. I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make. Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 10:41:27 AM #85: |
HenryAllbright posted...
Funkydog posted...And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then? What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside? Cake doesnt have a gender ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HenryAllbright 12/20/18 10:42:31 AM #86: |
And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.
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Nazanir 12/20/18 10:43:51 AM #87: |
gunplagirl posted...
Nazanir posted...Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans? So then I propose you the following conundrum: Is the transgender person being intolerant of the shop's owner because of their religion? Or is cake shop owner intolerant of transgender person's orientation? Also, one thing I would like to note, do realize that if the transgender person just walked into the shop, ordered a cake and walked out, they could have been done with it. But yet, this person went out of their way to make it a point that the owner knew they were trans. --- XboX GT/Steam/Wii-U - Nazanir ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 10:44:30 AM #88: |
HenryAllbright posted...
And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HenryAllbright 12/20/18 10:44:58 AM #89: |
SchoolForAnts posted...
HenryAllbright posted...Funkydog posted...And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then? Yes, language and stuff can be funny. Tons of people made the same comment during the original go around with the bakery refusing to serve a gay couple. "What's a gay wedding cake? It's just a cake!!!!" exclaimed thousands of people who thought they were being clever/witty. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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philsov 12/20/18 10:46:04 AM #90: |
HenryAllbright posted...
Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. No, it's not. It's a bicolor cake and a relatively normal, off the shelf product. The customer was denied service either because it was intended to be used to celebrate something which made the producer feel uncomfortable, or because the customer themself was also someone who made the producer uncomfortable. It's like a carrot farmer denying someone a carrot because they'll be shoving it up their ass. Identical product, different utilization by the consumer. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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artowen74 12/20/18 10:46:12 AM #91: |
Kavatar posted...
Just let that piece of shit fade into obscurity with his hateful views. Big difference between non-acceptance and hate...So why so triggered? You're the one sounding hateful not this baker tbqh. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 12/20/18 10:47:18 AM #92: |
iClockwork posted...
Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. Nope. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HenryAllbright 12/20/18 10:47:28 AM #93: |
SchoolForAnts posted...
HenryAllbright posted...And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 10:47:39 AM #94: |
HenryAllbright posted...
SchoolForAnts posted...HenryAllbright posted...Funkydog posted...And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then? So you have two cakes. Theyre both chocolate and say congratulations! One is for a Westboro Baptist church protester who burns pikachu dolls and protest soldier funerals. One is for a an accountant that happens to be trans. How are both cake different? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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artowen74 12/20/18 10:48:18 AM #95: |
Mr_Karate_II posted...
Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 12/20/18 10:48:28 AM #96: |
HenryAllbright posted...
SchoolForAnts posted...HenryAllbright posted...And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. No. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 12/20/18 10:48:42 AM #97: |
artowen74 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? And where is that happening? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 12/20/18 10:50:08 AM #98: |
Nazanir posted...
gunplagirl posted...Nazanir posted...Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans? It's the cake shop owner being intolerant of the trans person, that's why he's the one being sued for discrimination. Again. That's hardly a conundrum. And did you pay attention to the details of the previous case against him, specifically how he found out that the wedding cake was for a gay marriage and how he responded when that detail was revealed? See, it's that he is fine serving people until he DOES find out, at which point he would discriminate based upon that knowledge that is the issue. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paragon21XX 12/20/18 10:50:26 AM #99: |
This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism.
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SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 10:50:38 AM #100: |
OctilIery posted...
iClockwork posted...Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. Funny how now they say that. But when literal Nazis get banned from twitter or PayPal they weep ... Copied to Clipboard!
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