Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order.

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I mean, if you're going to have a cake for a gender transition party, why go out of your way to find the most right wing christian baker you can find?

Many of those stories sound like they're just trying to get refused so they can make the news
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frozenshock posted...

I mean, if you're going to have a cake for a gender transition party, why go out of your way to find the most right wing christian baker you can find?

Because then you get to have your cake AND make the world a better place by showing up a bigot.

Why settle for one good thing when you can have two?

Darklit_Minuet posted...

artowen74 posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

artowen74 posted...

Folks could argue that the LGBT community should be "shamed and mocked," into "believing the right thing," doesn't make it right though.

It has been shamed and mocked. This is balancing out the scales.

If one side of the scale has a lot of weight on it, you need an equal amount on the other side to balance it out

Spoken like a true dictator. Good day.

A dictator controls the powerless.

I want to bring those with power down to scale and even things out.

A small time baker is someone you consider to be with power? It just sounds like anger towards religious people.
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KILBOTz posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

artowen74 posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

artowen74 posted...

Folks could argue that the LGBT community should be "shamed and mocked," into "believing the right thing," doesn't make it right though.

It has been shamed and mocked. This is balancing out the scales.

If one side of the scale has a lot of weight on it, you need an equal amount on the other side to balance it out

Spoken like a true dictator. Good day.

A dictator controls the powerless.

I want to bring those with power down to scale and even things out.

A small time baker is someone you consider to be with power? It just sounds like anger towards religious people.

Religious people are the ones with power

iClockwork posted...

Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.

This is a slippery slope. A bunch of people sharing beliefs could completely ostracize parts of a community. Maybe not in larger cities, but in smaller or more rural areas where options are limited?

I'd like for you to consider how this could affect people in reality; being discriminated against for their own beliefs.
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You ever get the feeling some of these people purposely research Christian bakeries knowing their religious belief will discriminate against them? All for the sake of publicity and a sum of money?
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PepperoniMaster posted...

You ever get the feeling some of these people purposely research Christian bakeries knowing their religious belief will discriminate against them? All for the sake of publicity and a sum of money?

Only Some?

Darklit_Minuet posted...

frozenshock posted...

I mean, if you're going to have a cake for a gender transition party, why go out of your way to find the most right wing christian baker you can find?

Because then you get to have your cake AND make the world a better place by showing up a bigot.

Why settle for one good thing when you can have two?

That's being ignorant and ain't showing up shit. Its immature and petty, and whether they like it or not, there will always be a stigma from a certain amount of people. Forcing a bakery to make a cake isn't going to change that.
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Trelve posted...

PepperoniMaster posted...

You ever get the feeling some of these people purposely research Christian bakeries knowing their religious belief will discriminate against them? All for the sake of publicity and a sum of money?

Only Some?

I'm asking cause there has certainly been a surge of similar stories recently. I doubt this was a major issue 15 years ago.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Business: I dont condone of your lifestyle and I hate gay people.

Idiot Gay Person: Shut up and take my money you bigot or Ill force the Government to make you take my money! I dont wanna support some gay bakery or bakery that has no issue with gay people, I wanna give my money away to the religious baker that doesnt approve of gays!

If the bakeries are losing, does that really make the gay person the idiot?

wronganswerfool posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Business: I dont condone of your lifestyle and I hate gay people.

Idiot Gay Person: Shut up and take my money you bigot or Ill force the Government to make you take my money! I dont wanna support some gay bakery or bakery that has no issue with gay people, I wanna give my money away to the religious baker that doesnt approve of gays!

If the bakeries are losing, does that really make the gay person the idiot?

Well, the gay person isn't getting a cake at the end of it.

wronganswerfool posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Business: I dont condone of your lifestyle and I hate gay people.

Idiot Gay Person: Shut up and take my money you bigot or Ill force the Government to make you take my money! I dont wanna support some gay bakery or bakery that has no issue with gay people, I wanna give my money away to the religious baker that doesnt approve of gays!

If the bakeries are losing, does that really make the gay person the idiot?

It makes the LBGT clown a POS for purposely targeting a Christian bakery knowing they'd be discriminated against and create a whole lot of controversy all for the sake of cash.
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Trelve posted...

wronganswerfool posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Business: I dont condone of your lifestyle and I hate gay people.

Idiot Gay Person: Shut up and take my money you bigot or Ill force the Government to make you take my money! I dont wanna support some gay bakery or bakery that has no issue with gay people, I wanna give my money away to the religious baker that doesnt approve of gays!

If the bakeries are losing, does that really make the gay person the idiot?

Well, the gay person isn't getting a cake at the end of it.

Yeah instead they're getting tons of money in a court settlement. I don't know about you, but that sounds better than a cake

Darklit_Minuet posted...

artowen74 posted...

Folks could argue that the LGBT community should be "shamed and mocked," into "believing the right thing," doesn't make it right though.

It has been shamed and mocked. This is balancing out the scales.

If one side of the scale has a lot of weight on it, you need an equal amount on the other side to balance it out

Did shaming and mocking the LGBTQ community get them to be quiet and conform?

No. No it fucking didn't. It made them louder and louder until they started being heard. Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's what happened.

But yeah, just keep shaming and mocking everyone you don't agree with. I'm sure they'll just be quiet about it and won't, say, vote in more and more politicians that openly defy everything you stand for.

some of the greatest supreme court cases in history were brought about by people literally, on purpose, breaking said law and taking it to court.

just throwing that out there.

Also so many people are missing the big picture.

To challenge a ruling, you need to be wronged. In the first case, it sounds like should he be forced to not discriminate was never actually ruled on. So in order to get a ruling on that, you need someone to go get wronged.

Theyre doing this to get their eggs in a row and actually force the SCOTUS to actually make a ruling in the discrimination part.

But keep crying because a Christian baker is trying to discriminate against people for literally no reason besides muh book. Him serving those people will literally not hurt him in any way.
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Yeah it's really funny how people ITT are acting like these Christian bakers are being physically tormented for simply being asked to make a cake

Jack Phillips more like Wack Phillips. Dude can get fucked.
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CountDog posted...

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

But its his beliefs, and he's not harming anyone. He's denying cake orders? People need to grow up and understand that everyone isn't going to share thier views.

bUt It'S HiS bELiEfS!
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Look, I still think a true Christian bakes the cake for anyone regardless. These fake Christans that discriminate against race and sex are pieces of trash.

But let him be a piece of trash. Let him lose sales for his cause. Who cares? Go to another Bakery instead of forcing a dumbass to bake shit he doesnt want to
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Hmmm, so big tech companies can silence people for their views, but a small bakery can't refuse to serve people based on their beliefs?
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This baker and others like him already agreed to bake these cakes when they opened their businesses in cities or States that required them to treat their customers equally. It's ironic that so many so-called conservatives - the self-proclaimed party of personal responsibility, the party of law and order - are throwing the law and the responsibility to obey the law right out the window all of a sudden.

The law which this baker already agreed to abide by.
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iClockwork posted...

Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.

In which country? We're talking about the US in this topic.
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PhazonReborn posted...

Look, I still think a true Christian bakes the cake for anyone regardless. These fake Christans that discriminate against race and sex are pieces of trash.

But let him be a piece of trash. Let him lose sales for his cause. Who cares? Go to another Bakery instead of forcing a dumbass to bake shit he doesnt want to

Because saying who cares enables them.

Delta_F14 posted...

Hmmm, so big tech companies can silence people for their views, but a small bakery can't refuse to serve people based on their beliefs?

False equivalence. Political beliefs are not protected classes.
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Hopefully the baker loses and this country finally decides we're done putting up with straight bigotry. Religious freedom my ass, point to me where the Bible says to refuse transgenders food and I'll show you 10 passages the baker is breaking.
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Typical baizuo scumbags
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A transexual lawyer is doing, an obvious setup.

I'm sure he still offered an already made cake or even made a regular cake say for a birthday.

Bullshit part is I bet this troll of a lawyer was transitioned years ago.
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DoubleDare posted...

A transexual lawyer is doing, an obvious setup.

I'm sure he still offered an already made cake or even made a regular cake say for a birthday.

Bullshit part is I bet this troll of a lawyer was transitioned years ago.

I mean it probably was a setup.

Setup to get SCOTUS to rule on discrimination though, considering it appears that the first ruling had nothing to do with whether or not the baker can refuse service to gays or not.
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But isn't more the type of cake he refused than the person?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

KILBOTz posted...

That sounds vindictive and like your desire is to harm those who believe differently than you, not actually resolve and heal differences.

If his kind wanted to actually resolve and heal differences, I would too. But they don't, so why should we?

Ah the Chinese labor camp reasoning.
"They think wrong forced labor until you think how we think!"
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I am the baker
I bake the cake
Make no mistake
I love to bake
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DoubleDare posted...

But isn't more the type of cake he refused than the person?

After it was revealed that the person requesting the cake was transgendered.
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Ilishe posted...

iClockwork posted...

Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.

This is a slippery slope. A bunch of people sharing beliefs could completely ostracize parts of a community. Maybe not in larger cities, but in smaller or more rural areas where options are limited?

I'd like for you to consider how this could affect people in reality; being discriminated against for their own beliefs.

That's what i feel. It's a testy slope given how we treat precedent in the country.

Like when folks say "shop somewhere else" what if you're in an area with not a lot of options? How out of the way should you go to acquire a product if you're refused service on grounds of sexuality vs religious objection?

The occasion, Scardina told the bakerys employees, was to celebrate her birthday, as well as the seventh anniversary of the day she had come out as transgender.

Masterpiece Cakeshop ultimately refused Scardinas order on religious grounds.

Phillips declined to create the cake with the blue-and-pink design because it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex the status of being male or female is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed, the complaint stated.

If she just left it at birthday, cake would've been made.

Also, I'd love to find out if this person had a cake for the other anniversaries.

This is defintely a gray area
As obviously was done to provoke another case
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Want to run a business? Don't discriminate. Simple as that.
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What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

Dyinglegacy posted...

Belief isn't a choice. You can't make yourself believe in something. Belief, at it's center, is being convinced of something. If something convinces you, that's an internal process that you didn't choose to happen.

Well this just contradicted itself.
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SaithSayer posted...

What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

I think it is safe to say the "customer" had no intention to eat or buy anything from the bakery. They wanted to start shit for facebook likes and probably a cash payout.
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DoubleDare posted...

The occasion, Scardina told the bakerys employees, was to celebrate her birthday, as well as the seventh anniversary of the day she had come out as transgender.

Masterpiece Cakeshop ultimately refused Scardinas order on religious grounds.

Phillips declined to create the cake with the blue-and-pink design because it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex the status of being male or female is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed, the complaint stated.

If she just left it at birthday, cake would've been made.

Also, I'd love to find out if this person had a cake for the other anniversaries.

This is defintely a gray area
As obviously was done to provoke another case

Except he still would have served her even though shes transgender. Why did he change his mind only after learning who she was?

If it was fine before she said she was transgendered, why is it not fine after he learned she was transgendered.

Thats called discrimination.
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PleaseClap posted...

Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement?

I try not to.
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SaithSayer posted...

What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

Literally everyone who has ever eaten fast food.
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HenryAllbright posted...

Bigotry isn't discrimination.

It's shit like this that always gets me warned because I really want to say what I truly feel.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

DoubleDare posted...

The occasion, Scardina told the bakerys employees, was to celebrate her birthday, as well as the seventh anniversary of the day she had come out as transgender.

Masterpiece Cakeshop ultimately refused Scardinas order on religious grounds.

Phillips declined to create the cake with the blue-and-pink design because it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex the status of being male or female is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed, the complaint stated.

If she just left it at birthday, cake would've been made.

Also, I'd love to find out if this person had a cake for the other anniversaries.

This is defintely a gray area
As obviously was done to provoke another case

Except he still would have served her even though shes transgender. Why did he change his mind only after learning who she was?

If it was fine before she said she was transgendered, why is it not fine after he learned she was transgendered.

Thats called discrimination.

Last I checked it was after they said what the cake was for (7th anniversary of coming out).

It was when the cake was about the anniversary, If they just left it at its a blue and pink cake for a birthday, he would've made it.

He wouldn't make a cake for a divorced person either for getting divorced.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

DoubleDare posted...

The occasion, Scardina told the bakerys employees, was to celebrate her birthday, as well as the seventh anniversary of the day she had come out as transgender.

Masterpiece Cakeshop ultimately refused Scardinas order on religious grounds.

Phillips declined to create the cake with the blue-and-pink design because it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex the status of being male or female is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed, the complaint stated.

If she just left it at birthday, cake would've been made.

Also, I'd love to find out if this person had a cake for the other anniversaries.

This is defintely a gray area
As obviously was done to provoke another case

Except he still would have served her even though shes transgender. Why did he change his mind only after learning who she was?

If it was fine before she said she was transgendered, why is it not fine after he learned she was transgendered.

Thats called discrimination.

It's called trying to strong-arm people.

It's the same as when they asked those stupid Duck Dynasty people for their opinions on gays. They KNEW what they'd say. It was a way to basically say "Say what you really think. I DARE you! Either tuck your tails and say what you're 'supposed to' or face the country's mob mentality!"

TrevorBlack79 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

Literally everyone who has ever eaten fast food.

Which is why I don't piss off the person preparing or delivering my food.

SaithSayer posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

Literally everyone who has ever eaten fast food.

Which is why I don't piss off the person preparing or delivering my food.

I'm always extra nice to the burger king employees cause I know they hate their job.
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SaithSayer posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

Literally everyone who has ever eaten fast food.

Which is why I don't piss off the person preparing or delivering my food.

You piss them off by ordering it in the first place. No fast food employee in the history of the industry has made you food any way but begrudgingly. Your question about "who the fuck" would do this is nonsensical because literally everyone does this.
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I suppose he could've made it and spat in it
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

SaithSayer posted...

What I wanna know is..

Who the fuck would eat something that someone BEGRUDGINGLY made for them?

Literally everyone who has ever eaten fast food.

Which is why I don't piss off the person preparing or delivering my food.

You piss them off by ordering it in the first place. No fast food employee in the history of the industry has made you food any way but begrudgingly. Your question about "who the fuck" would do this is nonsensical because literally everyone does this.

There's a diff between apathy and spite when we make food
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