Board 8 > Umineko playthrough topic 2

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It's Schrdinger's cat AGAIN. I swear, having watched/played a bunch of VNs, games and anime, this always comes up. It is like the Japanese put this in anything science-related just to sound smart.

And I'm sure that the point of Schrdinger's cat has nothing to do with 'multiple truths'. They always mess up this theory but can't stop using it.

Don't understand what Teacher is getting at. Is she telling Battler than this is all science, but looks like magic because he cannot explain it yet?

Teacher is saying that the stuff Battler saw can be interpreted with science or magic. So, Battler can make up an outlandish scientific theory and Beatrice wouldn't be able to disapprove it. Like, say all of that are just robots and machines in a hidden underground room beneath the rose garden? But then, there is still the red words.

Not sure that Battler should go back and play the game when crying and screaming working better to unsettle Beatrice...

Teacher calls herself Virgilia now. Virgil, Beatrice and Purgatory... this is a nod to Dante's Divine Comedy. Japan loves using all this Christian stuff.

'No magical Battle happened because there's no trace of the Battle!'
Battler is using the mighty power of bullshitting as a counter. Whatever works I guess.
Might as well say 'All I have seen so far is fake so no magic exists!'.

Braun tubes are such a shitty metaphor.

No one outside Japan calls those Braun tubes. They are cathode ray tubes. I know this because I have played Steins;Gate a while ago and there was a guy obsessed which cathode ray TVs nicknamed Mr. Braun...

And about 'All I have seen is fake so no magic exists'. I have taken a peek at the archive of Dels playthough of ep 1 and 2, and that's what he's claiming all the time lol

Battler I don't think you should be so confident. The last few times that happened you got screwed over soon afterwards.

Stopping for now. Got all day tomorrow. Probably

handsomeboy2012 posted...

And about 'All I have seen is fake so no magic exists'. I have taken a peek at the archive of Dels playthough of ep 1 and 2, and that's what he's claiming all the time lol

Well I mean Umineko IS a work of fiction. :p
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Hahaha. Theres no way that all of this ends up being fiction in game right? No way at all. Unlike a certain game danganronpa v3

There are so many rifles lying around. A invitation for a shootout between the family as they get more paranoid. But they all have alibis, who are they going to suspect, the children?

I must say I look forward to how the adults will perform, about damn time they stop dying like flies.

Battler says he has to suspect one of the 18. I found a Youtube video to see those red words and Beatrice said there are no more then 18 HUMANS, and I know that some of these people are not humans

Directly showing magic to Battler won't work anymore, Beatrice would have to go back to the basics to prove that she is the only one that could do it. That's what it means to be equal in difficulty. I like this development, more logic please so I can pretend this is once again a murder mystery.

For the first time in this game it feels like Battler and Beatrice are on more or less even ground.

What a roundabout way to do locked rooms. You can say all 6 of them are combined to make 1 huge locked room. Interesting, but I'm rather tired of every single murder becoming a locked room mystery.

It also bothers me that only the servants get master keys. Are you telling me Kinzo, Natsuhi and Krauss, who are their employers, can't even move freely around the mansion they live in without having the servants opening doors for them? Why don't they get master keys too?

It's difficult to take Beatrice THAT seriously when or think her as irredeemably evil when she keeps acting like a child wanting attention. Ronove trolling her doesn't help either.

-The rooms are all truly closed rooms, nothing can enter or exit.
-Master keys on the servants. Room keys in envelopes. Nothing else can lock or unlock the doors.
-All 6 of died instantly. No one is hiding in the room.

Taking a leaf out of Virgilia's book, I can try to think of some bullshit theory as long as it does not contradict the red words. I did see how they really died, but it doesn't matter at all

Here's my guess: they went in, locked the room, and killed themselves. Or, they triggered some sort of automatic killing mechanism set up beforehand.

Ok, traps are disapproved. It's hard to play along when I don't know when the solution or will come; either it gets countered instantly, or nothing gets solved until a random moment in whatever episode.

Also, they don't all have to commit suicide, at minimum one person can kill the others and then himself. I can even blame their death on freak accidents.

I WAS RIGHT... or was i? Beatrice was about to say in red they didn't die in an accident before Ronove stopped her. I should now think about how making this clear would put Beatrice, not Battler, at a disadvantage, because I can't think of anything beyond accidental deaths.

Hey Ronove you interviewed for the wrong job, youre Beatricea butler, not babysitter

They're going to have a go at the riddle. At long last Kyrie can join in the fun.

So I was trying to think about the riddle but nothing came to mind. I give up.

English: Ma-RI-a, RI corresponding to river
Japanese: , corresponding to village.

This has to be a genius in writing or translation for both languages to fit the riddle.

A 'key' has to be obtained by someone before travelling to the golden land (the twilights), by killing a bunch of people. Seeing that the murders happened, I can take it to mean a certain person as already completed the first part of this riddle?

Wait. Kinzo throws his ring/seal to Beatrice every time to signal the start of the ceremony. Beatrice then kills everyone. If this means the 'key' in the riddle...

handsomeboy2012 posted...

So I was trying to think about the riddle but nothing came to mind. I give up.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

If you want to know how early you can solve the riddle with all the hints given by the game, it's after Episode 4 (CMIIW). And then again you need some other knowledge not explicitly in the game.
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handsomeboy2012 posted...

Wait. Kinzo throws his ring/seal to Beatrice every time to signal the start of the ceremony. Beatrice then kills everyone. If this means the 'key' in the riddle...

Well, this line of reasoning is a dead end. Doesn't bring me closer to the meaning of river, villager, or whatever.

Ignore epitaph, therein madness lies.
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Hideyoshi has used words like 'spears' and 'roulette' and one or two I didn't remember that relates to what is going on behind the scenes

All right I'll ignore the epitaph and move on, it's already causing a headache.

'Suck my bals'
Heh. I'm liking Rudolf more and more.

It had to be a nightmare to translate the epitaph if there is wordplay.

Raka_Putra posted...

handsomeboy2012 posted...

So I was trying to think about the riddle but nothing came to mind. I give up.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

If you want to know how early you can solve the riddle with all the hints given by the game, it's after Episode 4 (CMIIW). And then again you need some other knowledge not explicitly in the game.

I'll note that it's been solved after Episode 3.

Having fought in a huge battle a while ago, Beatrice is now all buddy-buddy with Virgilia. I can't get over how these magical beings can get over their differences so quickly. It's like this is a game played just for fun.

Just how soft can Virgilia be, your disciple killed you and now you're giving her a hint...

Eva has solved the riddle. Don't know how, or whether she even is correct, and I doubt the game will tell me this soon. Most likely she would go somewhere and die and leave me hanging.

Holy hell, she is actually right. So like, does the game end here?

I'm not sure if finding the gold means solving the epitaph

Rosa is here too. Well, I have an inkling that she's smarter than she looks. Well for the second twilight there needs a second person to die with Eva. They aren't close though...

What do you mean they're not close? They are sisters who love each other dearly...

I... what even is this. Young Eva is not something in the mind of Eva. She is a magical being that is born out of the desires of Eva. And now, Beatrice is crediting her for solving the epitaph and makes her a witch instantly?????

She gets invited to a ceremony and transforms like some Magical Girl. The Ass-nee chans, Bern, Lambda and Ronove are here to witness it. And now she is the new Beatrice???? This is more of a mindfuck than Kumasawa = Virgilia and that big battle. I can't believe this is happening.

This has got to be some sick joke.

A separate entity inside Eva. Are you telling me that, in the world of Umineko, imaginary friends can suddenly become real?