Board 8 > Should the US have death panels for healthcare?

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red sox 777 05/09/19 3:23:35 PM #1:	Should the US have death panels for healthcare? - Results (44 votes) Yes, make the decision on the person's value to society. 22.73% (10 votes) 10 Yes, but anonymize the decision making. 2.27% (1 vote) 1 No, all procedures requested by a patient should be performed. 63.64% (28 votes) 28 No, let the market decide. 11.36% (5 votes) 5 The first option is Sarah Palin's original idea for death panels - where a panel of bureaucrats will evaluate a person's potential contribution to society and decide how much healthcare they should be allocated. The second option requires the panel not to know who the patient is, only their medical condition and the cost. Vote away. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:921677283] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote> Should the US have death panels for healthcare? - Results (44 votes) Yes, make the decision on the person's value to society. 22.73% (10 votes) 10 Yes, but anonymize the decision making. 2.27% (1 vote) 1 No, all procedures requested by a patient should be performed. 63.64% (28 votes) 28 No, let the market decide. 11.36% (5 votes) 5 The first option is Sarah Palin's original idea for death panels - where a panel of bureaucrats will evaluate a person's potential contribution to society and decide how much healthcare they should be allocated. The second option requires the panel not to know who the patient is, only their medical condition and the cost. Vote away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MysticBrohan 05/09/19 3:24:50 PM #2:	patient autonomy numero uno bby this is why everyone should have a living will --- Esto es el fin, Grande Padre <cite>MysticBrohan posted [p:921677329] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>patient autonomy numero uno bby this is why everyone should have a living will</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chuck_Tingle 05/09/19 3:34:33 PM #3:	oh my god why does anybody leave you unignored --- NFUN <cite>Chuck_Tingle posted [p:921677714] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>oh my god why does anybody leave you unignored</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarkS222222222222222 05/09/19 9:21:43 PM #4:	The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick --- This is quite a username I have here. <cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted [p:921692973] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/19 10:10:27 PM #5:	MarkS222222222222222 posted... The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:921694947] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote><cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grand Kirby 05/09/19 11:05:52 PM #6:	No, but I support death panels for dumb politicians --- Okay, I rolled a 14. What's that mean? Hsu That you're a cheater. This is a 12-sided die. Chan <cite>Grand Kirby posted [p:921697086] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>No, but I support death panels for dumb politicians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 05/10/19 12:45:28 AM #7:	Bureaucrats Yeah how about no. --- I don't wanna show off no more. Play the saucy Swiss miss no more. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:921700087] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>Bureaucrats Yeah how about no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 05/10/19 1:50:37 AM #8:	"Potential for society" leaves waaaaaay too much room for interpretation, especially with the assholes running the show now. No thanks people shouldn't live or die based off how profitable they are to billionaires. --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTEX3YdEi7s <cite>Umbreon posted [p:921701719] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>"Potential for society" leaves waaaaaay too much room for interpretation, especially with the assholes running the show now. No thanks people shouldn't live or die based off how profitable they are to billionaires.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 05/10/19 2:11:22 PM #9:	red sox 777 posted... MarkS222222222222222 posted... The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare. Was she correct? --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:921720998] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare.</quote> Was she correct?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dantezoid 05/10/19 2:13:43 PM #10:	Can I get on one of these death panels I feel like it will be unwritten but agreed upon that the highest worth a person can have is being on a death panel so they'll always get the best care --- Boring and mundane signature informing you I'm on a Droid Now with more bold! Less italics due to bold. <cite>Dantezoid posted [p:921721085] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>Can I get on one of these death panels I feel like it will be unwritten but agreed upon that the highest worth a person can have is being on a death panel so they'll always get the best care</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
burritosatan 05/10/19 2:17:53 PM #11:	Kinda makes sense --- and you are just like them all, stained by the name of fathers. im greeting my downward fall, leaving the throes to others <cite>burritosatan posted [p:921721248] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>Kinda makes sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FBike1 05/10/19 2:23:03 PM #12:	The question isn't should we have them, it's how long before someone claims that they're biased due to race. (I give it approximately 1 nanosecond.) --- Six rings. <cite>FBike1 posted [p:921721447] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>The question isn't should we have them, it's how long before someone claims that they're biased due to race. (I give it approximately 1 nanosecond.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CeraSeptem 05/10/19 3:27:27 PM #13:	Yeah do it. Kill the children. --- A podcast where we talk about religious media in its myriad forms. It's fun! http://www.noahssnarkpodcast.com <cite>CeraSeptem posted [p:921724071] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>Yeah do it. Kill the children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/10/19 4:50:15 PM #14:	banananor posted... red sox 777 posted... MarkS222222222222222 posted... The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare. Was she correct? They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:921727515] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare.</quote> Was she correct?</quote> They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/10/19 5:49:35 PM #15:	red sox 777 posted... banananor posted... red sox 777 posted... MarkS222222222222222 posted... The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare. Was she correct? They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels. Do they have death panels in all the countries with Nationalized healthcare? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:921729902] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare.</quote> Was she correct?</quote> They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels.</quote> Do they have death panels in all the countries with Nationalized healthcare?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
burritosatan 05/10/19 5:58:00 PM #16:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... red sox 777 posted... banananor posted... red sox 777 posted... MarkS222222222222222 posted... The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare. Was she correct? They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels. Do they have death panels in all the countries with Nationalized healthcare? I wish they had it here in Canada. Not to deny anyone anything that's medically necessary cough but if you've owed the government income tax forever and also smoked cigarettes you're whole life or otherwise been obese I believe you should be paying tax at a much higher tax bracket since your choices put a bigger strain on the system. --- and you are just like them all, stained by the name of fathers. im greeting my downward fall, leaving the throes to others <cite>burritosatan posted [p:921730234] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare.</quote> Was she correct?</quote> They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels.</quote> Do they have death panels in all the countries with Nationalized healthcare?</quote> I wish they had it here in Canada. Not to deny anyone anything that's medically necessary cough but if you've owed the government income tax forever and also smoked cigarettes you're whole life or otherwise been obese I believe you should be paying tax at a much higher tax bracket since your choices put a bigger strain on the system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/10/19 5:59:37 PM #17:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... red sox 777 posted... banananor posted... red sox 777 posted... MarkS222222222222222 posted... The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare. Was she correct? They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels. Do they have death panels in all the countries with Nationalized healthcare? They have the type in option 2 in this poll. Procedures that are extremely expensive/have marginal efficacy are not performed. This is why the super rich in those countries tend to come to the US, or somewhere they can pay out of pocket, for treatment. If you're a billionaire you may decide to spend 5 million dollars for a 10% chance of living an additional 5 months, but nationalized healthcare is probably not going to cover that type of treatment. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:921730283] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that Sarah Palin wanted death panels at all makes me sick</quote> She didn't want them. She opposed them and said they were inevitable under Obamacare.</quote> Was she correct?</quote> They weren't in the draft bill or the law that was passed. But we'll never know what would have happened, maybe 20-30 years down the road, if Republicans hadn't vociferously denounced death panels.</quote> Do they have death panels in all the countries with Nationalized healthcare?</quote> They have the type in option 2 in this poll. Procedures that are extremely expensive/have marginal efficacy are not performed. This is why the super rich in those countries tend to come to the US, or somewhere they can pay out of pocket, for treatment. If you're a billionaire you may decide to spend 5 million dollars for a 10% chance of living an additional 5 months, but nationalized healthcare is probably not going to cover that type of treatment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/10/19 6:06:30 PM #18:	Clarification: option 2 death panels are not deciding cases on an individual basis. They are classifying treatments as worth paying for, or not, independently of its connection with any individual patient. So obviously it's not nearly the same thing as option 1. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:921730531] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>Clarification: option 2 death panels are not deciding cases on an individual basis. They are classifying treatments as worth paying for, or not, independently of its connection with any individual patient. So obviously it's not nearly the same thing as option 1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 05/10/19 7:24:20 PM #19:	Death panels for some, miniature American flags for others! --- Congrats to 2019 Guru champ Advokaiser! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:921733621] in Should the... [t:77703868]...</cite> <quote>Death panels for some, miniature American flags for others!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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