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In this video I am going to post, she explains perfectly why smoking should be banned

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Remember this smoking affects not only the person that smoke, but even those that don't smoke due to breathing their smoke.

When a person eat sugar, that only affects the person eating the sugar and no one else.
When a person gets overweight, it affects the person overweight and no one else.

Smoking affects other people who may or may not be smokers.
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tc really hates smoking
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Not gonna watch. People have the right to smoke if they want to
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Smoking is one case where I would say people simply can't be trusted with it.

A few hundred peple maybe, I dunno I'm not gonna look up a statistic, shoot other humans with guns each year.

Like fifty million disperse toxic fumes into the air in public gathering places with no regard whatsoever to the pregnant, infants, the elderly, etc.

It's freaking madness.
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

tc really hates smoking

Of course I do, imagine having to breathe people smoking, especially when having a asthma attack that is not good. Sometime due to people smoking in takeaway and restaurant use to make my asthma get affected.

Since back then there was no law the business couldn't do anything, I was the one that had to wait outdoor to get the food. Eating in restaurant was a big no for me, due to restaurant being full of smoke.
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Pukelid posted...

Not gonna watch. People have the right to smoke if they want to

Fair enough you don't have to watch.

So your saying people have the right to affect other people health and the environment. No they shouldn't have that right.

If a person puts poison into someone drink, they can go to jail due to affecting said person health. What gives smokers the right to affect other people health.
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You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.
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It's so rare to be somewhere around here that allows smoking that it kind of catches me off guard. It's basically illegal indoors anywhere now, but I was at a park with my daughter a couple weeks ago and like all the parents were standing around their kids on the little playground smoking. >_>

I'm not sure how I feel about a complete ban, but I certainly think individual places have the right to make their own rules. I like not having smoke in restaurants anymore, but honestly it feels weird being in a bowling alley and it not smelling like an ash tray.
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Speaking that way, alcohol is just as bad isn't it?
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LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I am aware that smoking in public places is illegal nowadays, which is excellent. I am aware that the emissions from cars is very bad, but people smoking + cars = worse.
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supermichael11 posted...

So your saying people have the right to affect other people health and the environment. No they shouldn't have that right.

i agree that smoking in public, indoor spaces should be banned or seriously regulated.

but you have absolutely no right to tell someone they can't smoke in the privacy of their own home. just stop.

do you seriously think that someone smoking outside at a respectable distance away from others is causing those folks any harm beyond a minor annoyance due to the smell? people don't get cancer from second hand smoke by being outside. i'm sorry, but no.

and ... the environment? since when does tobacco smoke hurt the environment? if you're so concerned about people hurting the environment like this i sure hope you have an equal disdain for automobiles and industry in general.
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supermichael11 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I am aware that smoking in public places is illegal nowadays, which is excellent. I am aware that the emissions from cars is very bad, but people smoking + cars = worse.

Outside, unless your standing right in front of them, the difference is almost certainly negligible.
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LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

do you seriously think that someone smoking outside at a respectable distance away from others is causing those folks any harm beyond a minor annoyance due to the smell? people don't get cancer from second hand smoke by being outside. i'm sorry, but no.

Ok but also unicorns cure cancer. Of course, there are no unicorns just like there are no considerate smokers.
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Real talk, we shouldn't ban smoking, because bad as though it is for health, all banning it will do is increase the amount of illegal smuggling/use. It'd be the Roaring Twenties all over again.
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DevsBro posted...

Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal.

who are you to tell me that i can't poison myself in the privacy of my own home?
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

DevsBro posted...

Like fifty million disperse toxic fumes into the air in public gathering places with no regard whatsoever to the pregnant, infants, the elderly, etc.

It's freaking madness.

And don't forget all the litter that is produced.

I smoke, but people who dont properly dispose of their cigarette butts are fucking assholes.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Speaking that way, alcohol is just as bad isn't it?

Alcohol only affects the person drinking. But it is true it can turn the person violent and risk attacking other people.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

supermichael11 posted...

So your saying people have the right to affect other people health and the environment. No they shouldn't have that right.

i agree that smoking in public, indoor spaces should be banned or seriously regulated.

but you have absolutely no right to tell someone they can't smoke in the privacy of their own home. just stop.

do you seriously think that someone smoking outside at a respectable distance away from others is causing those folks any harm beyond a minor annoyance due to the smell? people don't get cancer from second hand smoke by being outside. i'm sorry, but no.

and ... the environment? since when does tobacco smoke hurt the environment? if you're so concerned about people hurting the environment like this i sure hope you have an equal disdain for automobiles and industry in general.

When walking outdoor any person can light up their cigarrette not caring who they are near. There can be multiple people smoking. In the beach one can be there relaxed enjoying the sun on their chair, then a smoker can come near them and start smoking. Heck the smoker can set their umbrella near the person and be smoking the majority of the time.

As for smoking in their homes, you make a good point there. It isn't affecting people health if he is alone.
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DevsBro posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

do you seriously think that someone smoking outside at a respectable distance away from others is causing those folks any harm beyond a minor annoyance due to the smell? people don't get cancer from second hand smoke by being outside. i'm sorry, but no.

Ok but also unicorns cure cancer. Of course, there are no unicorns just like there are no considerate smokers.

does this hyperbole of "since some people can't be trusted to do this thing responsibly it should be banned" apply to firearms as well?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal.

who are you to tell me that i can't poison myself in the privacy of my own home?

If you are truly the world's only considerate smoker, like you claim to be, then I feel for you.
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DevsBro posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

do you seriously think that someone smoking outside at a respectable distance away from others is causing those folks any harm beyond a minor annoyance due to the smell? people don't get cancer from second hand smoke by being outside. i'm sorry, but no.

Ok but also unicorns cure cancer. Of course, there are no unicorns just like there are no considerate smokers.

Ok, thats not entirely true. I and another smoker were just in that exact situation for a week, outdoors, with a pregnant woman and kids around. We were considerate.

Im sure there are plenty of assholes who arent though.
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supermichael11 posted...

When walking outdoor any person can light up their cigarrette not caring who they are near.

ok. people _can_ do a lot of things they shouldn't. i don't understand the point this is making. more and more cities are passing public smoking bans. see NYC where it's even illegal to smoke inside your car with the windows down (lmao)

supermichael11 posted...

There can be multiple people smoking

and there can be none. again, i dont quite get the point.

supermichael11 posted...

In the beach one can be there relaxed enjoying the sun on their chair, then a smoker can come near them and start smoking. Heck the smoker can set their umbrella near the person and be smoking the majority of the time.

do you have evidence that being exposed to second hand smoke outdoors poses any health risks greater than health risks associated with being outside in any industrial area / city?
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DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Should we ban bonfires and charcoal grills?
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DevsBro posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal.

who are you to tell me that i can't poison myself in the privacy of my own home?

If you are truly the world's only considerate smoker, like you claim to be, then I feel for you.

i quit smoking a decade ago. but i still think adults ought to have the right to decide for themselves whether they smoke or not.
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Tbh I feel if we do a universal healthcare system it has to go. I refuse to subsidize the care of people knowingly destroying their own teeth and lungs. Its too big a waste.

Alchohol is a fight that cannot be won though.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Tbh I feel if we do a universal healthcare system it has to go.

how far would you extend the ban of behaviors simply for being unhealthy? would you ban soda? what about fried foods?
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supermichael11 posted...

When a person gets overweight, it affects the person overweight and no one else.

not in my country. fat people are a strain on our universal healthcare

also, if i smoke in my own home, it's nobodies business
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LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Should we ban bonfires and charcoal grills?

Sure, if we ever get to a point where people set them up a few feet from every doorway there is.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Tbh I feel if we do a universal healthcare system it has to go. I refuse to subsidize the care of people knowingly destroying their own teeth and lungs. Its too big a waste.

Alchohol is a fight that cannot be won though.

>banning something
>expecting positive results

sorry man it just doesnt work that way
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal.

who are you to tell me that i can't poison myself in the privacy of my own home?

If you are truly the world's only considerate smoker, like you claim to be, then I feel for you.

i quit smoking a decade ago. but i still think adults ought to have the right to decide for themselves whether they smoke or not.

If people who smoke were in places that didn't affect other people, then there would be no issue. But people who smoke that doesn't care for other people that is the issue. This is an issue when walking outdoors and being at the beach/swimming pool.

They have the right to do as they like with their own bodies, I agree you with you there. But people shouldn't have the right to affect other people health.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

Tbh I feel if we do a universal healthcare system it has to go.

how far would you extend the ban of behaviors simply for being unhealthy? would you ban soda? what about fried foods?

Pretty soon using GFAQs would be banned lol
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supermichael11 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DevsBro posted...

Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal.

who are you to tell me that i can't poison myself in the privacy of my own home?

If you are truly the world's only considerate smoker, like you claim to be, then I feel for you.

i quit smoking a decade ago. but i still think adults ought to have the right to decide for themselves whether they smoke or not.

If people who smoke were in places that didn't affect other people, then there would be no issue. But people who smoke that doesn't care for other people that is the issue. This is an issue when walking outdoors and being at the beach/swimming pool.

They have the right to do as they like with their own bodies, I agree you with you there. But people shouldn't have the right to affect other people health.

Ok, this is reasonable. I honestly wasnt aware there are so many smokers without regard for other people.
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DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Should we ban bonfires and charcoal grills?

Sure, if we ever get to a point where people set them up a few feet from every doorway there is.

They put off thousands of times more smoke. How far should they have to be from others. You can smell them on the other side of a park or neighborhood, meaning you're breathing it in.
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LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

Nah it's actually not. Car emissions are just carbon monoxide which isn't harmful in the doses that you're exposed to daily. Only if like your house is flooded with it or you lock yourself in a garage with the engine running does it become a problem.

Carbon monoxide is also just gas. The smoke from a cigarette is tangible Ash.
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I hate the assholes that stand directly in front of a business with their stupid cigarettes. And they wonder why non-smokers treat them like lepers.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

Nah it's actually not. Car emissions are just carbon monoxide which isn't harmful in the doses that you're exposed to daily. Only if like your house is flooded with it or you lock yourself in a garage with the engine running does it become a problem.

Carbon monoxide is also just gas. The smoke from a cigarette is tangible Ash.

It's a matte of volume. If you stand in front of a smoker, it's bad. Move a few feet away, and you're fine. There is also more to car exhaust that just carbon monoxide.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

Tbh I feel if we do a universal healthcare system it has to go.

how far would you extend the ban of behaviors simply for being unhealthy? would you ban soda? what about fried foods?

Cigarette's are inherently toxic and chemically addictive.

Soda in moderation won't have as bad an effect. Occssional soda in an otherwise healthy diet/dental care is fine.

Same for fried foods.

Though tbh we really should make it clear allowing heavy soda consumption in kids should be considered child abuse.

Also a fried food ban is NOT politically viable now. A cigarette ban probably is.
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Conception616 posted...

nice sig god
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

tc really hates smoking

everyone should
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LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Should we ban bonfires and charcoal grills?

Sure, if we ever get to a point where people set them up a few feet from every doorway there is.

They put off thousands of times more smoke. How far should they have to be from others. You can smell them on the other side of a park or neighborhood, meaning you're breathing it in.

I don't have any issue with grills or bonfires. Not only do I only smell them maybe once or twice a year, but they result in tasty food.
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supermichael11 posted...

Alcohol only affects the person drinking. But it is true it can turn the person violent and risk attacking other people.

You left out drunk driving.
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LightHawKnight posted...

supermichael11 posted...

Alcohol only affects the person drinking. But it is true it can turn the person violent and risk attacking other people.

You left out drunk driving.

Hmm there is a law of that already, driving while drunk is illegal.
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DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Should we ban bonfires and charcoal grills?

Sure, if we ever get to a point where people set them up a few feet from every doorway there is.

They put off thousands of times more smoke. How far should they have to be from others. You can smell them on the other side of a park or neighborhood, meaning you're breathing it in.

I don't have any issue with grills or bonfires. Not only do I only smell them maybe once or twice a year, but they result in tasty food.

So, it's not so much about the health effects, but about your disdain for smoking.
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LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

You already can't smoke inside public places. The emissions from all the cars passing outside is way worse for you.

I'm calling BS but it also doesn't matter. Tobacco should be illegal regardless of whether cars are legal. And for the record, if I could go back and stop the Grease generation from making cars so insanely stupidly popular that we can't function without the damn machines, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Should we ban bonfires and charcoal grills?

Sure, if we ever get to a point where people set them up a few feet from every doorway there is.

They put off thousands of times more smoke. How far should they have to be from others. You can smell them on the other side of a park or neighborhood, meaning you're breathing it in.

I don't have any issue with grills or bonfires. Not only do I only smell them maybe once or twice a year, but they result in tasty food.

So, it's not so much about the health effects, but about your disdain for smoking.

It's about how my six month old son has been exposed to second hand smoke multiple times.
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But, you said as long as it leads to tasty food, you don't have an issue with it.
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LordRazziel posted...

But, you said as long as it leads to tasty food, you don't have an issue with it.

My six month old son has never been exposed to it.
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DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

But, you said as long as it leads to tasty food, you don't have an issue with it.

My six month old son has never been exposed to it.

So, in theory you have no problem with responsible smokers who dont expose 6-month old babies to their cigarette smoke right?
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Shablagoo posted...

DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

But, you said as long as it leads to tasty food, you don't have an issue with it.

My six month old son has never been exposed to it.

So, in theory you have no problem with responsible smokers who dont expose 6-month old babies to their cigarette smoke right?

Sure.

I also don't think we should ban unicorns.
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DevsBro posted...

LordRazziel posted...

But, you said as long as it leads to tasty food, you don't have an issue with it.

My six month old son has never been exposed to it.

Your son was born in winter... What if you want to take him to the park? What if your neighbor starts grilling?
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