Board 8 > Can someone tell me the deal with the Epic Store and Steam Store?

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Yet another topic in which foolmo is terrible and his opinions are the absolute trash
Can we agree on something for once? it would be great
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Yet another topic in which foolmo is terrible and his opinions are the absolute trash
Can we agree on something for once? it would be great

Nanis23 posted...


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NFUN posted...

Yet another topic in which foolmo is terrible and his opinions are the absolute trash
Can we agree on something for once? it would be great

Nanis23 posted...

Don't kid yourself, foolmo is worse
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foolm0r0n posted...

Mewtwo59 posted...

Hey, maybe if you stop being intellectualy dishonest you can have the post of the topic.

What if I just edit "first of all Mewtwo69 is really smart and makes good points, but" in front of all my posts

Keep up the attacks on me, dude. That's sure to get me on your side.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Keep up the attacks on me, dude. That's sure to get me on your side.

The purpose of graffiti is not to change the side of the wall

In fact it works best if the wall stays right where it is
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Better than calling Steam a monopoly when it hasn't had EA games for like 8 years now.

I do enjoy making a post commenting on how people push out garbage knowledge of economics and then someone proceeds to respond with a garbage knowledge of economics.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Hearing stuff like this sounds weird to me. I generally close Steam when I'm done playing a game. Do people just leave the launchers open all the time or something?

yea i just leave it minimized at all times, and have it start up when i start up my computer

Mewtwo59 posted...

I'd rather stick with the mediocre software I have than move to garbage software. And if anyone if making a monopoly, it's Epic. If a game is on Steam and Epic, I have a choice of where to buy it. If it's Epic exclusive, they have a monopoly over that game. Epic needs to make their store not suck first. Then they might get people to switch.

Epic's software is better than steams, its decent software over pretty mediocre/bad software. Steam just has more features.
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Epic's software is not better than Steam's. It doesn't even have features Steam had years ago. Like how are you missing reviews in 2019?
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Epic's software is not better than Steam's. It doesn't even have features Steam had years ago. Like how are you missing reviews in 2019?

I see you have good reading comprehension as well. Software quality != feature set.
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I mean user game reviews are generally complete garbage so that is more of a plus in my book.
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Yeah, because who cares about what features it has? Epic's feature set is a joke compared to Steam's, and like it or not that's part of the software. Just because you enjoy software that was outdated 5 years ago doesn't mean I have to.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Yeah, because who cares about what features it has? Epic's feature set is a joke compared to Steam's, and like it or not that's part of the software. Just because you enjoy software that was outdated 5 years ago doesn't mean I have to.

Your clearly missing the point.

Epic's store is a much better foundations than steams currently is. If epic has time to build out its feature set to be comparable to steams it will be a much better product than steam. Yes it's not there yet but steam has been around forever, it's really hard to develop that many features before releasing.

Anyways you've pretty much proven that you are ok with yourself being selfish as fuck but whine when anybody else does it. So all I really have to say is boycott epic store if you don't want to, epic store is a bigger positive for the industry than your whining ever will be.
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It might help if you explain how it's better software. Because all I see is a barebones system that isn't even near feature parity with Steam 5 years ago. And despite that, it's still less secure than Steam. And it's kind of hard to have faith in Epic with the way they've been acting so far. Why spend money on software improvements that may or may not increase market share when you can just buy up everything? They don't seem very concerned about these security breaches either. I'm going to need more than blind faith here.
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Colegreen_c12 posted...

epic store is a bigger positive for the industry than your whining ever will be.

In what way
"Game developers get more money!"
They get enough as it is if the game is selling well
If it isn't - they can fuck off

I would actually say getting rid of trash IS a bigger positive for the industry
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Why do you still think anyone cares what store you use? You established on the first page you don't even like to spend money on games. You're insignificant in this market and no one cares to convince you. You've provided plenty of good misconceptions to address, but we've gone over them well enough now, so that should be it.
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It might help if you'd actually counter my points rather than using personal attacks and putting words in my mouth. But that's too hard so you took the easy path.
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Nanis23 posted...

Colegreen_c12 posted...

epic store is a bigger positive for the industry than your whining ever will be.

In what way
"Game developers get more money!"
They get enough as it is if the game is selling well
If it isn't - they can fuck off

I would actually say getting rid of trash IS a bigger positive for the industry

1. Get rid of a monopoly forcing steam to actually compete with someone. Likely will lead to increases in steams quality as well as a larger cut for developers
2. Larger cut for developers mean they can either make more games, better games, or sell their games for cheaper. It's not going to be universal some companies will just take the added money, but someone had an example already of a company that sells the game cheaper on epic. Companies will need to rely on micro-transactions less.
3. If some large companies use this as an opportunity to have better pricing models due to this it could potentially pressure other large companies to make changes.
4. Potential for companies to use their added income to hire more staff, increasing quality of games further.

Some of these won't happen universally. Some companies will just take the added profits and run. But remember that while the stores are competing against each other, individual games compete against each as well, so with more flexibility to compete on pricing you may see gains in those areas.
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Nanis23 posted...

They get enough as it is if the game is selling well

Xfd
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Mewtwo59 posted...

It might help if you explain how it's better software. Because all I see is a barebones system that isn't even near feature parity with Steam 5 years ago. And despite that, it's still less secure than Steam. And it's kind of hard to have faith in Epic with the way they've been acting so far. Why spend money on software improvements that may or may not increase market share when you can just buy up everything? They don't seem very concerned about these security breaches either. I'm going to need more than blind faith here.

I'm going to be honest, what is this security breach epic store has? As far as I can tell there has been no security breach. It has 2fa as well so i'll need more info on this.

As to why I think the software quality is better, epic store has a very clear roadmap (https://trello.com/b/GXLc34hk/epic-games-store-roadmap) that includes both features and improvements to the code base.

If you look at steams roadmap ( https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/1697194621363928453 ) their roadmap kind of sucks.

Nothing on their plans to address bugs that have been around for years (the being "open" but not really forcing me to kill everything) Steam also feels very bloated with many seperate systems stuck together but that don't always feel cohesive.

As a simple example. In steam open up the store, then open up library then open up the store again. You can see the store reloading every time you go to it.

Do the same thing in the epic store and you'll notice that besides the pictures its all pretty much loaded the second time. The store and the library feel like part of the same app. While in steam they feel like two seperate apps in one shell
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Colegreen_c12 posted...

Nanis23 posted...

Colegreen_c12 posted...

epic store is a bigger positive for the industry than your whining ever will be.

In what way
"Game developers get more money!"
They get enough as it is if the game is selling well
If it isn't - they can fuck off

I would actually say getting rid of trash IS a bigger positive for the industry

1. Get rid of a monopoly forcing steam to actually compete with someone. Likely will lead to increases in steams quality as well as a larger cut for developers
2. Larger cut for developers mean they can either make more games, better games, or sell their games for cheaper. It's not going to be universal some companies will just take the added money, but someone had an example already of a company that sells the game cheaper on epic. Companies will need to rely on micro-transactions less.
3. If some large companies use this as an opportunity to have better pricing models due to this it could potentially pressure other large companies to make changes.
4. Potential for companies to use their added income to hire more staff, increasing quality of games further.

Some of these won't happen universally. Some companies will just take the added profits and run. But remember that while the stores are competing against each other, individual games compete against each as well, so with more flexibility to compete on pricing you may see gains in those areas.

I can't counter what you say with logic
But knowing human nature, I believe in the "Some companies will just take the added profits and run" the most
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Nanis23 posted...

I can't counter what you say with logic
But

Wish I had my rotating sigs again...
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I am a little mistaken since most of their security issues are more back end stuff, but it does lower my faith in the software if they can't secure the back end. There's stuff like hackers squatting your email, and all the attempted account breaches. This happens with everyone, but Epic handles it especially poorly.

And yeah, that road map does make it look like it'll catch up, but I think it would've been a better idea to get some of those features out the door first before making their big move. They've got the Fortnite bux, they can wait until they have something good and avoid all the bad publicity of a terrible launch. Unless they were scared of Microsoft stealing their lane. But I don't know how concerned they are by Microsoft considering they're allowing their exclusives on the Windows Store.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

but I think it would've been a better idea to get some of those features out the door first before making their big move. They've got the Fortnite bux, they can wait until they have something good and avoid all the bad publicity of a terrible launch. Unless they were scared of Microsoft stealing their lane. But I don't know how concerned they are by Microsoft considering they're allowing their exclusives on the Windows Store.

I mean I can't really argue with you, it all comes down to the decision of the business. Could it have used a little more polish before release? sure. But it could also have backfired at that point who knows.

Everyone is a business, epic is trying to make money, steam is trying to make money and they have their own priorities. My argument is just that competition in the launcher space is overall a good thing even if it causes inconveniences in the short term.
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Yeah, that is true. Even Origin managed to force Steam to eventually add refunds. I don't know how they mismanaged their leverage over EA games so badly that they couldn't gain market share. I understand why GoG isn't super big (Most AAA devs don't want to do the no DRM thing, which means they can't launch on GoG) but EA definitely had the resources to be an actual competitor and blew it. Though GoG Galaxy 2.0 looks to be really good if it can live up to its promises. Hopefully that can force some changes.
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GoG Galaxy 2.0 definitely strikes me as software poised to easily become the natural state of things going forward. Much like it's weird to imagine life without Discord, I can easily imagine a very near future where it's "man, weird that we used to have our games/friends/achievements/etc split across all these platforms." Really they just need more people to come on board, but they got the most important ones with Steam and MS already.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

"man, weird that we used to have our games/friends/achievements/etc split across all these platforms."

People forget how sweet Xfire was back in the day
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foolm0r0n posted...

People forget how sweet Xfire was back in the day

Now there's a name I've not heard in a long time. What a blast from the past.
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Wait people hate the Epic Launcher?
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@Natwaf_akidna Since the 1st day!
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Also I always find it funny that Americans want to buy games cheap. I mean from what I can gather the minimum wage is around 7 dollars per hour there. Here it is around 3 per hour. The games there cost around 60$. The games here cost around 60.
Yet nobody here complains that the games are too expensive while so many people complain there. I don't get it.
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