Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 7: Dedicated to Delseban

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Votals (as of post 300)
(3) SBell: Chris, MZero, Lopen
(1) Lopen: Lea
(1) Chris: Corrik
(1) 5tar: Ulti

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Lopen posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Then, even after Luis had done several scummy things, he interpreted them positively instead of negatively.

Name them please

- Most of his early posts were talking about flavour meta or about the proper game theory to have a set up with an SK, aka a lot of words about nothing relevant

- At one point he engaged me in conversation that showed a complete lack of trying to figure out my alignment. I gave him a nudge to that effect and then he cobbled something together after the fact.

Those things are why he was on my scum list, no scum hunting all day. I do not recall anything that was worthy of a higher than neutral opinion on him.

Oh okay several = 2

I like how you made no real attempt to get him lynched yesterday either despite these several scummy things
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Obellisk posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Luis_Sera89 posted...

I agree that this is completely rudderless right now. I'd prefer Ben but I'd reluctantly go with MZero for a better shot of salvaging some info out of today. I'm not convinced SBell is scum and I think we'd learn less in the event he flips town.

Sounds like Scum that KNOWS i'm going to flip town and believes that that flip wont give scum anything juicy. Also sounsd like MZero is town in that post and Ben is likely scum.

But i suppose i'm biased.

What do you mean by juicy? Wouldn't scum have loved to lynch a town you if it was going to mean we "learn less"?

I'm not going to answer this.

I don't get it
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Lopen posted...

Oh okay several = 2

I like how you made no real attempt to get him lynched yesterday either despite these several scummy things

I think this was based on the Luis scum flip. So...
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Also, good stuff Cam. I feel bad that I'm not reading it
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Lopen posted...

Oh okay several = 2

I like how you made no real attempt to get him lynched yesterday either despite these several scummy things

I don't consider this to be a very +town EV response. Instead of just saying "Yeah I was wrong, I thought X was pretty townie," you just say "well you didn't lynch him!!!!!" ?

benjamin3740 posted...

Obellisk posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Luis_Sera89 posted...

I agree that this is completely rudderless right now. I'd prefer Ben but I'd reluctantly go with MZero for a better shot of salvaging some info out of today. I'm not convinced SBell is scum and I think we'd learn less in the event he flips town.

Sounds like Scum that KNOWS i'm going to flip town and believes that that flip wont give scum anything juicy. Also sounsd like MZero is town in that post and Ben is likely scum.

But i suppose i'm biased.

What do you mean by juicy? Wouldn't scum have loved to lynch a town you if it was going to mean we "learn less"?

I'm not going to answer this.

I don't get it

Scum can lynch any town they choose. Why not shoot for the stars.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

If you have a good feeling Tom is town, we might be able to put Pez on the list as well. Those two plus Red are another group that always feels like a package dea

Just gonna sneak pez and red on there eh
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I'm somewhat occupied

Just a heads up, I'll read everything later

Cheers dudesickles

benjamin3740 posted...

Also, good stuff Cam. I feel bad that I'm not reading it

I have a shit ton more lmao

I never said Luis was very townie yesterday

I said his posts showed enough logic to them that I had no scum read and I didn't feel confident lynching him unless I was 100% sure he was scum cause I think he's a strong town tool when he is town
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Lopen posted...

I never said Luis was very townie yesterday

I said his posts showed enough logic to them that I had no scum read and I didn't feel confident lynching him unless I was 100% sure he was scum cause I think he's a strong town tool when he is town

Lopen posted...

Luis's logic has seemed mostly sound to me. He hasn't posted a lot but I think what he has has for the most part made sense and has had enough focus to seem like stuff a town member would post. I lean town on him. I also inherently trust his ability to identify scum to a degree so I don't want to lynch him early unless I'm dead certain he's scum.

Better get some conditioner cause these hairs are SPLIT

Lean town = "very townie" okay
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Obellisk posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Obellisk posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Luis_Sera89 posted...

I agree that this is completely rudderless right now. I'd prefer Ben but I'd reluctantly go with MZero for a better shot of salvaging some info out of today. I'm not convinced SBell is scum and I think we'd learn less in the event he flips town.

Sounds like Scum that KNOWS i'm going to flip town and believes that that flip wont give scum anything juicy. Also sounsd like MZero is town in that post and Ben is likely scum.

But i suppose i'm biased.

What do you mean by juicy? Wouldn't scum have loved to lynch a town you if it was going to mean we "learn less"?

I'm not going to answer this.

I don't get it

Scum can lynch any town they choose. Why not shoot for the stars.

Chris was the only one shooting!
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Lopen posted...

I never said Luis was very townie yesterday

I said his posts showed enough logic to them that I had no scum read and I didn't feel confident lynching him unless I was 100% sure he was scum cause I think he's a strong town tool when he is town

Topic 1 - Post 182Lopen postedNo Lynch is a -EV lynch so stop making that joke

##Unvote btw

(Probably Luis he has a good scum detector)

Topic 2 - Post 243Lopen postedLuis is from back in my days ya whippersnapper. My memory is mostly him being a terror to scum if he gets vigilante as he's really good at intuiting scum but not great at convincing people of his reads

So we should all listen to Luis by default

Unless we think he's scum

(Or he says I'm scum because I KNOW I'M TOWN mirite)

Topic 5 - Post 199Lopen postedI think it's interesting Luis that you'd call Sultan on being wishy washy and non-committal while at the same time calling him scum based on that based on a post voting on Chris of all people.

I mean I do think he's been wishy washy and non-committal I'm just not positive it's a scum thing right now as much as a lack of assertiveness and that post seems like a weird one to get on his case for since it takes some stones to go that way given Chris's general reception among the players at large currently.

Topic 5 - Post 339Lopen postedWith that list SBell kinda strikes me as suspicious as I thought his initial vote on me was particularly weak (hell, Luis said as much) and he has made no attempt to further a lynch attempt on me despite me being top on his list. So I guess he can be #3.

Topic 5 - Post 424Lopen postedLuis's logic has seemed mostly sound to me. He hasn't posted a lot but I think what he has has for the most part made sense and has had enough focus to seem like stuff a town member would post. I lean town on him. I also inherently trust his ability to identify scum to a degree so I don't want to lynch him early unless I'm dead certain he's scum.

You can nitpick the word choice all you want but it does nothing to negate the actual argument. If you swap out "very townie" with "leans town" the sentiment is the same.

Same with "Several??? but that's only two bullet points!!!! ARGUMENT DEFEATED I'M TOWN"

Note, I am paraphrasing you in an exaggerated manner to express my feelings, I am aware you did not literally say that exact phrase.

For what it's worth Lopen, I really think you got taken for a ride by Luis

I think Luis clearly tries to pocket you in some of his posts

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Camarija posted...

Again, refer to the TLDR post for the spew reads

I have every post Luis_Sera made

I have basically every post where people respond to, or talk about Luis_Sera as well

If youd like a specific post or a quick lookup, let me know

I can also just note dump if youd prefer, but I believe there are limits as to how many characters you may post

You can do multi posts. Note dump please

I think it will just look like a huge mess tbh

What I just posted, there's about 3-5x that

Lea3Lea posted...

Are you the only one who doesn't have a problem with my flavour? That's unusual solely for the uniqueness of it

I don't flavor meta

I remember when someone claimed death's flavor and death asked if it even fit in the the game before claiming it later

he was town

I was scum and spent like 3 days trying to kill him

anyway no flavor meta will ever be scummier than asking if your flavor would even make sense in the game before claiming it later >_>
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My recollection of what I said about him was p accurate it seems. I respect his scum identifying abilities and don't want to lynch him unless I'm sure he's scum. Was pretty consistent the whole day on that.
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Luis basically has me pocketed by default unless he scumslips. Wasted effort. Maybe he doesn't know that though.
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Ben, I don't see how that matters.
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Lopen posted...

My recollection of what I said about him was p accurate it seems. I respect his scum identifying abilities and don't want to lynch him unless I'm sure he's scum. Was pretty consistent the whole day on that.

I quoted you saying you leaned town on him. It's weird to me that you're working so hard to hard to distance yourself from having a favourable Luis opinion day one. It is possible to be town and wrong, after all. Difficult as it may be to believe, even I may have been wrong once yesterday.

Anyway, this is not an unvote worthy defense from you and it's clearly going nowhere else.

Ulti, other people who wanted to lynch Lopen yesterday, what are your updated thoughts today? I've seen the light, policy lynches and not reading topic 1 are bad!

pezloco posted...

@Tom_Bombadil I'm finishing putting my kids to bed. You going to be around in like 1.5 hours?

Wouldn't bet on it but maybe
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Honestly though like... the difference between "lean town" and "very townie" is very significant. I wasn't exactly putting Luis on any town lists. If he had a train vs say Chris or frankly even dowolf (preclaim, because that lynch was garbage) I would have went for him.

Lean town means closer to neutral than not. I opposed his lynch and said as much as my first post today, but if you made an argument that he was scum before he flipped scum I would have humored listening to it.
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##Vote: SBell

Was a done deal yesterday at the time of my departure. Only looks better now than it did then.

turbopuns3 posted...

##Vote: SBell

Was a done deal yesterday at the time of my departure. Only looks better now than it did then.

Why?
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man the idea that posting six full posts of every post is "good" is silly.

anyways i'm staring at lea's endgame post:

OK, if it were me I'd lynch puns on principal in the hope it'd stop people claiming Miller Day 1 and inviting the sideshow it brings. If I was feeling more rational I'd say that Ben's claim was very "ehh...", Scare wouldn't be the biggest loss but I'm not leaning scum on him, Lea I'm slowly warming too because I'm having a harder time seeing someone play so brazenly as scum, and who knows about Corrik but there's probably greater gains from keeping him alive than lynching him Day 1.

and i'm just like "one of those four is probably scum let's vote Corrik"

##Vote: Corrik
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And corrik come on. Chris is not scum here.

And it's not because it's "too crazy" for Scum Chrisnin a vacuum. But he signed up saying he wouldn't have a lot of time to play so it seems quite the leap to say he'd tank his power day 1 to try to set himself up for the long game.

err not Lea's. I mean Luis's.
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dowolf posted...

man the idea that posting six full posts of every post is "good" is silly.

anyways i'm staring at lea's endgame post:

OK, if it were me I'd lynch puns on principal in the hope it'd stop people claiming Miller Day 1 and inviting the sideshow it brings. If I was feeling more rational I'd say that Ben's claim was very "ehh...", Scare wouldn't be the biggest loss but I'm not leaning scum on him, Lea I'm slowly warming too because I'm having a harder time seeing someone play so brazenly as scum, and who knows about Corrik but there's probably greater gains from keeping him alive than lynching him Day 1.

and i'm just like "one of those four is probably scum let's vote Corrik"

Vote: Corrik

Oh hey, that's the same conclusion as me, sweet!

Lea3Lea posted...

Oh hey, that's the same conclusion as me, sweet!

then let's vote him.

together.

it can be a thing.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Actually, screw it. Tom, I would like to invoke your roommate powers.

Do what now
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Obellisk posted...

Why?

Two good players who I'm confident are town, and another player who I gut read as town, are all in agreement, for one.

dowolf posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Oh hey, that's the same conclusion as me, sweet!

then let's vote him.

together.

it can be a thing.

##Unvote

##Vote: Corrik

I will join this joint show of force, but I have to be honest that I've never been able to read Corrik and any claim he makes will be fake regardless of his alignment, so I don't know what I'm trying to accomplish here. Hopefully you do though!

Actually read the topic and not just vote totals you will see why I did it. I argued against that lynch the whole time, then sighed, threw my hands up and said "can you just claim so we can lynch actual scum"
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Pez is likely scum

Red I liked most of yesterday but he has diminished to neutral
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Lopen posted...

Actually read the topic and not just vote totals you will see why I did it. I argued against that lynch the whole time, then sighed, threw my hands up and said "can you just claim so we can lynch actual scum"

can confirm:
Lopen posted...

... fine, whatever. Let it not be said I am not one to compromise.

##Unvote: SBell
##vote: dowolf

Claim please so we can move onto something better.

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Ulti you are really bad at this game by the way. You have no ability whatsoever to adjust your read even when it's not your own (I goaded you into this)
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I don't consider myself particularly gifted at red though

Also revised answer for pez: now about a75,, percent chance

Why does my phone not have a percent symbol
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%
There it is
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