Poll of the Day > Anybody else feel like the DC 4th of July event seems like a huge RNC rally?

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WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:13:24 PM #1:	https://www.npr.org/2019/07/02/737144875/tanks-flyovers-and-heightened-security-trumps-fourth-of-july-ups-taxpayer-cost Updated at 5:20 p.m. ET American taxpayers are looking at a bigger bill for this year's Independence Day party in the nation's capital. For this Fourth of July, President Trump has added an address from the Lincoln Memorial, tanks stationed in the area, an extended fireworks display and military aircraft flyovers. Democrats in Congress are complaining about the added expenses. "There's going to be a big price tag for this and the taxpayers will have to pick up the tab," said Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, which directs spending for such events. The annual July 4 parade will still happen that morning, followed by a new 6:30 p.m. Trump address from the Lincoln Memorial with military flyovers and performances by the Army Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps and others. That evening, the Capitol Fourth concert, also a trademark of the usual D.C. holiday, will be followed by an extended fireworks show lasting 35 to 40 minutes. Van Hollen and other Democratic appropriators on Capitol Hill have raised questions and concerns for months that spending for the day could go haywire. And just before the big event, they still don't know how much it will all cost. Congress waiting on total costs; experts say it's not cheap "We haven't heard anything," said New Mexico Sen. Tom Udall, ranking Democrat for the Senate Appropriations Committee panel on interior and related agencies. "It's disturbing." The Federal Aviation Administration said it would suspend operations at Reagan National Airport for 1.5 hours for Trump's speech and flyovers. The aerial program will feature the jetliner used for Air Force One and aircraft representing all five military services, including the Navy's Blue Angels, said Jeffrey Reinbold, a superintendent of the National Park Service. A military official told NPR it could also include F-35s and F-18s. And there will be military tanks parked along the National Mall, Trump said. Trump said there would be "the brand new Sherman tanks and we have the brand new Abram tanks." However, production of Sherman tanks ended in the 1940s. "We're gonna have a great Fourth of July in Washington, D.C. It'll be like no other, it'll be special and I hope a lot of people come and it's going to be about this country and it's a salute to America," Trump said from the Oval Office Monday. "I'm going to be here and I'm going to say a few words and we're going to have planes going overhead, the best fighter jets in the world and other planes too. And we're gonna have some tanks stationed outside." NPR's multiple requests for costs related to the plans, as well as more extensive details on the additional military personnel, equipment and security for the day from the Interior Department, National Park Service, U.S. Secret Service, the Pentagon and the five military services went unanswered. A military official said the White House was not approving Pentagon requests to share such details. It won't be cheap, experts said. University of Denver professor Andrew Sherbo, who tracks such figures, said the Boeing 747 used for Air Force One could come at a cost of $205,000 an hour (the jetliner is only considered Air Force One when the president is aboard). The cost per flying hour for the F-35 can be $20,000 or more, according to Department of Defense comptroller figures. The Blue Angels could cost a more reasonable $6,000 per day, since air shows are tied to their training, said Sherbo, a former Pentagon official who now teaches finance. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924169487] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>https://www.npr.org/2019/07/02/737144875/tanks-flyovers-and-heightened-security-trumps-fourth-of-july-ups-taxpayer-cost <quote>Updated at 5:20 p.m. ET American taxpayers are looking at a bigger bill for this year's Independence Day party in the nation's capital. For this Fourth of July, President Trump has added an address from the Lincoln Memorial, tanks stationed in the area, an extended fireworks display and military aircraft flyovers. Democrats in Congress are complaining about the added expenses. "There's going to be a big price tag for this and the taxpayers will have to pick up the tab," said Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, which directs spending for such events. The annual July 4 parade will still happen that morning, followed by a new 6:30 p.m. Trump address from the Lincoln Memorial with military flyovers and performances by the Army Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps and others. That evening, the Capitol Fourth concert, also a trademark of the usual D.C. holiday, will be followed by an extended fireworks show lasting 35 to 40 minutes. Van Hollen and other Democratic appropriators on Capitol Hill have raised questions and concerns for months that spending for the day could go haywire. And just before the big event, they still don't know how much it will all cost. Congress waiting on total costs; experts say it's not cheap "We haven't heard anything," said New Mexico Sen. Tom Udall, ranking Democrat for the Senate Appropriations Committee panel on interior and related agencies. "It's disturbing." The Federal Aviation Administration said it would suspend operations at Reagan National Airport for 1.5 hours for Trump's speech and flyovers. The aerial program will feature the jetliner used for Air Force One and aircraft representing all five military services, including the Navy's Blue Angels, said Jeffrey Reinbold, a superintendent of the National Park Service. A military official told NPR it could also include F-35s and F-18s. And there will be military tanks parked along the National Mall, Trump said. Trump said there would be "the brand new Sherman tanks and we have the brand new Abram tanks." However, production of Sherman tanks ended in the 1940s. "We're gonna have a great Fourth of July in Washington, D.C. It'll be like no other, it'll be special and I hope a lot of people come and it's going to be about this country and it's a salute to America," Trump said from the Oval Office Monday. "I'm going to be here and I'm going to say a few words and we're going to have planes going overhead, the best fighter jets in the world and other planes too. And we're gonna have some tanks stationed outside." NPR's multiple requests for costs related to the plans, as well as more extensive details on the additional military personnel, equipment and security for the day from the Interior Department, National Park Service, U.S. Secret Service, the Pentagon and the five military services went unanswered. A military official said the White House was not approving Pentagon requests to share such details. It won't be cheap, experts said. University of Denver professor Andrew Sherbo, who tracks such figures, said the Boeing 747 used for Air Force One could come at a cost of $205,000 an hour (the jetliner is only considered Air Force One when the president is aboard). The cost per flying hour for the F-35 can be $20,000 or more, according to Department of Defense comptroller figures. The Blue Angels could cost a more reasonable $6,000 per day, since air shows are tied to their training, said Sherbo, a former Pentagon official who now teaches finance. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:14:10 PM #2:	The Capitol Concerts portion of the program, plus the annual Memorial Day concert, is budgeted at $6.4 million from the National Park Service budget, which is under the Interior Department, said Annie Orloff, Udall's press secretary. It will be followed by a joint show put on by two firework companies, Phantom Fireworks and Fireworks by Grucci, that will launch from behind the Lincoln Memorial for a display lasting 15 to 20 minutes. As a result, they are donating an estimated $750,000 or more as part of the plans, said William Weimer, vice president of Phantom Fireworks. "It will be a pretty overwhelming display," said Weimer. "We saw an opportunity and approached the government in March to make the donation and try to give back to the country that has been so good to us. ... It's a privilege and an honor for us to do this." They will be followed by Garden State Fireworks, a mainstay of the annual D.C. program since 2013, which will put on a 20-minute show from a new location at West Potomac Park. It will come at a cost of more than $250,000, said Christopher Santore, a choreographer whose family founded the company in 1890. Last year, Garden State's show was 17.5 minutes long, Santore said. The celebration is funded by three pots of money: donations, the Interior Department and the Defense Department. This year, the Interior Department and Secretary David Bernhardt have been tasked with leading the expanded plans. Mark Cancian, a senior adviser with the Washington think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies, said since the Capitol's Fourth celebration is paid by three different sources of money, it's a hard tally to track down in a traditional year. Add to that all the new elements for the presidential address and extended programming, and the costs become even fuzzier. "It's a good question," Cancian said. "It's difficult to answer." Udall, Van Hollen and others have pressed Bernhardt and his agency for answers. They have warned that taxpayer funds can't be used for a political rally and say Trump's plans appear to cross that line. Special access for VIP section The White House is issuing special VIP tickets to access a new, restricted area at the steps to Trump's speech as well as halfway along the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool. A White House official said the area is being reserved for friends, family, Cabinet officials and possibly members of Congress. Military personnel, who are slated to perform, will also be in the ticketed area. On Tuesday, a Republican National Committee official confirmed it had received a "small number of tickets" to distribute for the special section. The official said it was similar to other customary moves under Democratic and Republican administrations to share tickets for Christmas open houses and garden tours at the White House. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924169517] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><quote>The Capitol Concerts portion of the program, plus the annual Memorial Day concert, is budgeted at $6.4 million from the National Park Service budget, which is under the Interior Department, said Annie Orloff, Udall's press secretary. It will be followed by a joint show put on by two firework companies, Phantom Fireworks and Fireworks by Grucci, that will launch from behind the Lincoln Memorial for a display lasting 15 to 20 minutes. As a result, they are donating an estimated $750,000 or more as part of the plans, said William Weimer, vice president of Phantom Fireworks. "It will be a pretty overwhelming display," said Weimer. "We saw an opportunity and approached the government in March to make the donation and try to give back to the country that has been so good to us. ... It's a privilege and an honor for us to do this." They will be followed by Garden State Fireworks, a mainstay of the annual D.C. program since 2013, which will put on a 20-minute show from a new location at West Potomac Park. It will come at a cost of more than $250,000, said Christopher Santore, a choreographer whose family founded the company in 1890. Last year, Garden State's show was 17.5 minutes long, Santore said. The celebration is funded by three pots of money: donations, the Interior Department and the Defense Department. This year, the Interior Department and Secretary David Bernhardt have been tasked with leading the expanded plans. Mark Cancian, a senior adviser with the Washington think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies, said since the Capitol's Fourth celebration is paid by three different sources of money, it's a hard tally to track down in a traditional year. Add to that all the new elements for the presidential address and extended programming, and the costs become even fuzzier. "It's a good question," Cancian said. "It's difficult to answer." Udall, Van Hollen and others have pressed Bernhardt and his agency for answers. They have warned that taxpayer funds can't be used for a political rally and say Trump's plans appear to cross that line. Special access for VIP section The White House is issuing special VIP tickets to access a new, restricted area at the steps to Trump's speech as well as halfway along the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool. A White House official said the area is being reserved for friends, family, Cabinet officials and possibly members of Congress. Military personnel, who are slated to perform, will also be in the ticketed area. On Tuesday, a Republican National Committee official confirmed it had received a "small number of tickets" to distribute for the special section. The official said it was similar to other customary moves under Democratic and Republican administrations to share tickets for Christmas open houses and garden tours at the White House.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:14:45 PM #3:	But some Democrats were quick to disagree. Udall noted there are specific regulations that bar taxpayers from paying for a partisan event, and propaganda is prohibited. Trump's plans seem to veer into that "very tricky area," he said. "It is unacceptable that the Interior Department is failing to inform Congress about how it plans to spend taxpayer money to fund the president's lavish July 4th plans, which reportedly include special access to the National Mall for the politically connected," Udall said in a statement Tuesday. "The American people deserve to know how much of their money the president is spending to turn their July 4th celebration into a de facto campaign rally. All reports indicate that the president is planning to turn a national day of unity into a day of vanity trying to use the military for political purposes and doling out perks to his political backers at the taxpayers' expense. We need answers." However, a White House official countered that notion and said Trump's speech will focus on a unifying theme. "The president has been very clear that he wants to help all Americans celebrate America. It's America's birthday and he wants to celebrate America, our flag and our great military and the men and women who serve in it," the official said. "This speech is not going to be political. It will be a celebration and salute to America." In a May congressional hearing, Udall and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee subpanel on interior and related agencies, said they wanted cost figures for the new Fourth plans. "You know that we had asked for those numbers on that," Murkowski told Bernhardt. "We do want this celebration that is a wonderful celebration and a great tribute to our nation to be able to continue and to have the public continue to enjoy it." In June, Van Hollen, Udall, and Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, wrote to Bernhardt demanding his agency share the budget. They say there's precedent to worry. The Trump administration still owes the D.C. administration $7.3 million from the January 2017 inauguration. As a result, members such as D.C.'s representative in Congress, Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, are sounding the alarm that appropriators must replenish the account, known as the Emergency Planning and Security Fund, before it goes dry. "We are very concerned with an event we can't even price at a time when we are owed money," Norton said. "And I don't think the city can refuse to provide the necessary security. So it is extremely unfair to the city to hold an unprecedented event and not at least choke up money to make it happen." "It will be wild" After Trump attended the French celebration of Bastille Day in July 2017, he said one of his first calls was to replicate and "try and top it." The plans, which were slated for Veterans Day Weekend in November 2018, were scratched after word leaked of a $92 million price tag. Then in February, Trump announced the plans to "HOLD THE DATE" on Twitter. "We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th," Trump tweeted Feb. 24. "It will be called 'A Salute To America' and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!" However, some groups are determined to make it clear Trump isn't their favorite president. And that could mean more demands for security. Progressive political organization VoteVets, which largely supports Democratic military veterans on Capitol Hill, has raised about $40,000 off its plans to counter Trump. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924169537] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><quote>But some Democrats were quick to disagree. Udall noted there are specific regulations that bar taxpayers from paying for a partisan event, and propaganda is prohibited. Trump's plans seem to veer into that "very tricky area," he said. "It is unacceptable that the Interior Department is failing to inform Congress about how it plans to spend taxpayer money to fund the president's lavish July 4th plans, which reportedly include special access to the National Mall for the politically connected," Udall said in a statement Tuesday. "The American people deserve to know how much of their money the president is spending to turn their July 4th celebration into a de facto campaign rally. All reports indicate that the president is planning to turn a national day of unity into a day of vanity trying to use the military for political purposes and doling out perks to his political backers at the taxpayers' expense. We need answers." However, a White House official countered that notion and said Trump's speech will focus on a unifying theme. "The president has been very clear that he wants to help all Americans celebrate America. It's America's birthday and he wants to celebrate America, our flag and our great military and the men and women who serve in it," the official said. "This speech is not going to be political. It will be a celebration and salute to America." In a May congressional hearing, Udall and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee subpanel on interior and related agencies, said they wanted cost figures for the new Fourth plans. "You know that we had asked for those numbers on that," Murkowski told Bernhardt. "We do want this celebration that is a wonderful celebration and a great tribute to our nation to be able to continue and to have the public continue to enjoy it." In June, Van Hollen, Udall, and Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., vice chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, wrote to Bernhardt demanding his agency share the budget. They say there's precedent to worry. The Trump administration still owes the D.C. administration $7.3 million from the January 2017 inauguration. As a result, members such as D.C.'s representative in Congress, Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, are sounding the alarm that appropriators must replenish the account, known as the Emergency Planning and Security Fund, before it goes dry. "We are very concerned with an event we can't even price at a time when we are owed money," Norton said. "And I don't think the city can refuse to provide the necessary security. So it is extremely unfair to the city to hold an unprecedented event and not at least choke up money to make it happen." "It will be wild" After Trump attended the French celebration of Bastille Day in July 2017, he said one of his first calls was to replicate and "try and top it." The plans, which were slated for Veterans Day Weekend in November 2018, were scratched after word leaked of a $92 million price tag. Then in February, Trump announced the plans to "HOLD THE DATE" on Twitter. "We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th," Trump tweeted Feb. 24. "It will be called 'A Salute To America' and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!" However, some groups are determined to make it clear Trump isn't their favorite president. And that could mean more demands for security. Progressive political organization VoteVets, which largely supports Democratic military veterans on Capitol Hill, has raised about $40,000 off its plans to counter Trump. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:15:10 PM #4:	The group is helping spearhead an effort to pass out thousands of shirts on the Fourth featuring the late Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, the Navy war hero and lawmaker who died last year and remains a target of Trump's ire. Activist group Code Pink will display the "Baby Trump" blimp that has been seen at protests around the world. The group received a physical permit this week to stand the 20-foot balloon on the northwest quadrant of the National Mall at 17th Street, said co-director Medea Benjamin. Now, the group is fighting to gain FAA approval to inflate the balloon with a small portion of helium to lift it at least 2 feet off the ground. If not, it will inflate the balloon with a leaf blower to meet requirements, Benjamin said. The group will also be passing out 100 miniversions of the balloons, Benjamin noted. "It will be wild," she said. "There will be tons of people." NPR White House correspondents Tamara Keith and Franco Ordoez contributed to this report. Apologies for the multiple posts. Long story - lots of info. I'm all for celebrating our independence and our nation's heroes, but this just feels like overkill. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924169552] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><quote>The group is helping spearhead an effort to pass out thousands of shirts on the Fourth featuring the late Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, the Navy war hero and lawmaker who died last year and remains a target of Trump's ire. Activist group Code Pink will display the "Baby Trump" blimp that has been seen at protests around the world. The group received a physical permit this week to stand the 20-foot balloon on the northwest quadrant of the National Mall at 17th Street, said co-director Medea Benjamin. Now, the group is fighting to gain FAA approval to inflate the balloon with a small portion of helium to lift it at least 2 feet off the ground. If not, it will inflate the balloon with a leaf blower to meet requirements, Benjamin said. The group will also be passing out 100 miniversions of the balloons, Benjamin noted. "It will be wild," she said. "There will be tons of people." NPR White House correspondents Tamara Keith and Franco Ordoez contributed to this report.</quote> Apologies for the multiple posts. Long story - lots of info. I'm all for celebrating our independence and our nation's heroes, but this just feels like overkill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 12:15:41 PM #5:	Bump? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924191010] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Bump?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 07/03/19 12:19:40 PM #6:	NPR is a liberal source --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:924191153] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>NPR is a liberal source</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 12:20:18 PM #7:	Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:924191189] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 12:23:53 PM #8:	Philoktetes posted... NPR is a liberal source Ok? Kyuubi4269 posted... Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up. But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924191332] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>NPR is a liberal source</quote> Ok? <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up.</quote> But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/03/19 12:28:48 PM #9:	Its been apparent for months that this was the case ever since trump started throwing the idea around Nixon had the exact same idea. Just another step in the direction of him modeling himself after anti-democratic dictators --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:924191533] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Its been apparent for months that this was the case ever since trump started throwing the idea around Nixon had the exact same idea. Just another step in the direction of him modeling himself after anti-democratic dictators</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 07/03/19 12:41:26 PM #10:	Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. Mead posted... Nixon had the exact same idea. Just another step in the direction of him modeling himself after anti-democratic dictators This guy is just way too much. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:924192063] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Nixon had the exact same idea. Just another step in the direction of him modeling himself after anti-democratic dictators</quote> This guy is just way too much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 12:52:08 PM #11:	Broken_Zeus posted... Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. Because theres nothing out of the ordinary about this event? Absolutely nothing. Just Murcia. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924192507] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. </quote>Because theres nothing out of the ordinary about this event? Absolutely nothing. Just Murcia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 07/03/19 1:01:44 PM #12:	Nah, it's a totally neutral event with no partisan overtones whatsoever. That's why the best seats have been reserved for Republican donors and political appointees and tickets are being doled out by the RNC. And, of course, the headline act is a president who couldn't make a bipartisan speech if someone literally handed him the script to one. Nothing partisan about that at all. Seriously, if Trump can dig up millions of dollars for his vanity show (money that was originally earmarked for maintaining public parks), maybe he should be using it to buy soap and toothbrushes for the migrant detention centres that are screaming that they're running out of money. Just a thought. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:924192906] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Nah, it's a totally neutral event with no partisan overtones whatsoever. That's why the best seats have been reserved for Republican donors and political appointees and tickets are being doled out by the RNC. And, of course, the headline act is a president who couldn't make a bipartisan speech if someone literally handed him the script to one. Nothing partisan about that at all. Seriously, if Trump can dig up millions of dollars for his vanity show (money that was originally earmarked for maintaining public parks), maybe he should be using it to buy soap and toothbrushes for the migrant detention centres that are screaming that they're running out of money. Just a thought.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 1:58:10 PM #13:	WastelandCowboy posted... But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers? None of it is needed. More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:924195252] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers?</quote> None of it is needed. More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 2:00:06 PM #14:	Kyuubi4269 posted... WastelandCowboy posted... But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers? None of it is needed. More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. But why? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:924195342] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers?</quote> None of it is needed. More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course.</quote> But why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/03/19 2:17:24 PM #15:	@Broken_Zeus Like Ive been saying my dude Youre once again making an attempt to talk down to others while also making it apparent that youre ignorant about the issue at hand https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trumps-salute-to-america-on-fourth-of-july-recalls-nixons-honor-america-day-in-1970 https://www.thedailytimes.com/opinion/military-parades-are-for-dictatorships/article_5eeb4fea-61bd-50c3-9bff-22e4e36b55ae.html --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:924196123] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>@Broken_Zeus Like Ive been saying my dude Youre once again making an attempt to talk down to others while also making it apparent that youre ignorant about the issue at hand https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trumps-salute-to-america-on-fourth-of-july-recalls-nixons-honor-america-day-in-1970 https://www.thedailytimes.com/opinion/military-parades-are-for-dictatorships/article_5eeb4fea-61bd-50c3-9bff-22e4e36b55ae.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/03/19 2:19:31 PM #16:	Kyuubi4269 posted... More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. It's not out of place, but that doesn't make it any less wasteful, especially considering there's no shortage of higher-priority targets for government spending when measured by literally any metric that isn't the current president's narcissistic compulsions. If the US government had a surplus and nothing functional to spend it on? Sure, throw a bigger party and have some fun with it. But having fun with taxes that were collected under the pretense of bettering the country is borderline fraudulent. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:924196212] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course.</quote> It's not out of place, but that doesn't make it any less wasteful, especially considering there's no shortage of higher-priority targets for government spending when measured by literally any metric that isn't the current president's narcissistic compulsions. If the US government had a surplus and nothing functional to spend it on? Sure, throw a bigger party and have some fun with it. But having fun with taxes that were collected under the pretense of bettering the country is borderline fraudulent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:29:19 PM #17:	Kyuubi4269 posted... what's supposed to be a liberal rally? Antifa event with giant stalin banners and chanting no borders no walls no usa at all? <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924196671] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>what's supposed to be a liberal rally?</quote> Antifa event with giant stalin banners and chanting no borders no walls no usa at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/03/19 2:35:50 PM #18:	Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:924196924] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/03/19 2:40:29 PM #19:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up. What the hell are you talking about? Gains public support? This is a dictators adulation, this isn't American. We are wasting a massive amount of money and Trump is giving out tickets to republican donors. Broken_Zeus posted... Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. I'm led to understand politicians stay away from this event to keep it from being political and allowing the American people this thing. Trump has made it political and all about him. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:924197118] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up.</quote> What the hell are you talking about? Gains public support? This is a dictators adulation, this isn't American. We are wasting a massive amount of money and Trump is giving out tickets to republican donors. <cite>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. </quote> I'm led to understand politicians stay away from this event to keep it from being political and allowing the American people this thing. Trump has made it political and all about him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Archgoat 07/03/19 2:44:11 PM #20:	Mead posted... Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes It's all they got, these are the same people that thought Obama was trying to take over Texas. <cite>Archgoat posted [p:924197300] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes</quote> It's all they got, these are the same people that thought Obama was trying to take over Texas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacrossSpecial 07/03/19 2:46:09 PM #21:	Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool. --- ...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets. - RX7Infinitilll <cite>MacrossSpecial posted [p:924197390] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/03/19 2:47:11 PM #22:	MacrossSpecial posted... Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool. Or it could just be used for the national parks the money is being taken from after his ignorant government shut down. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:924197434] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>MacrossSpecial posted...</cite> <quote>Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool.</quote> Or it could just be used for the national parks the money is being taken from after his ignorant government shut down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:53:44 PM #23:	Mead posted... Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes There are literally videos of groups of people chanting that you pleb <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924197761] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes</quote> There are literally videos of groups of people chanting that you pleb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacrossSpecial 07/03/19 2:53:52 PM #24:	BlackScythe0 posted... MacrossSpecial posted... Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool. Or it could just be used for the national parks the money is being taken from after his ignorant government shut down. Or that. I meant if he wanted to show people that he has a boner for the military, a few million dollars not spent on fluff and general bs would shore up a ton of votes but he doesn't have the experience to understand that. --- ...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets. - RX7Infinitilll <cite>MacrossSpecial posted [p:924197769] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MacrossSpecial posted...</cite> <quote>Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool.</quote> Or it could just be used for the national parks the money is being taken from after his ignorant government shut down.</quote> Or that. I meant if he wanted to show people that he has a boner for the military, a few million dollars not spent on fluff and general bs would shore up a ton of votes but he doesn't have the experience to understand that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:55:01 PM #25:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV440PbnIPI" data-time=" <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924197825] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV440PbnIPI" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 07/03/19 2:55:50 PM #26:	darkknight109 posted... Nah, it's a totally neutral event with no partisan overtones whatsoever. That's why the best seats have been reserved for Republican donors and political appointees and tickets are being doled out by the RNC. And, of course, the headline act is a president who couldn't make a bipartisan speech if someone literally handed him the script to one. ...which comes to the real objection right away. Just more hysterical reactions to Trump. Nothing to see here, folks! Mead posted... @Broken_Zeus Like Ive been saying my dude Youre once again making an attempt to talk down to others while also making it apparent that youre ignorant about the issue at hand https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trumps-salute-to-america-on-fourth-of-july-recalls-nixons-honor-america-day-in-1970 https://www.thedailytimes.com/opinion/military-parades-are-for-dictatorships/article_5eeb4fea-61bd-50c3-9bff-22e4e36b55ae.html @Mead >Talks about ignorance >Cites a shitty OP-ED and doubles down on implying Nixon was a dictator (lolwut?) Just quit talking about politics already. You're somehow even worse than Erik P and ICO. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:924197860] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, it's a totally neutral event with no partisan overtones whatsoever. That's why the best seats have been reserved for Republican donors and political appointees and tickets are being doled out by the RNC. And, of course, the headline act is a president who couldn't make a bipartisan speech if someone literally handed him the script to one.</quote> ...which comes to the real objection right away. Just more hysterical reactions to Trump. Nothing to see here, folks! <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>@Broken_Zeus Like Ive been saying my dude Youre once again making an attempt to talk down to others while also making it apparent that youre ignorant about the issue at hand https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trumps-salute-to-america-on-fourth-of-july-recalls-nixons-honor-america-day-in-1970 https://www.thedailytimes.com/opinion/military-parades-are-for-dictatorships/article_5eeb4fea-61bd-50c3-9bff-22e4e36b55ae.html</quote> @Mead >Talks about ignorance >Cites a shitty OP-ED and doubles down on implying Nixon was a dictator (lolwut?) Just quit talking about politics already. You're somehow even worse than Erik P and ICO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 07/03/19 2:56:28 PM #27:	BlackScythe0 posted... I'm led to understand politicians stay away from this event to keep it from being political and allowing the American people this thing. Exactly. The issue is less that Trump wants more money spent on the festivities (though that is an issue) and more that he's taking great pains to make it about him and the Republicans and turn the whole thing into a campaign rally. Presidents in particular usually spend July 4th away from the capital in order to avoid any appearance of partisanship at the celebrations. Trump has decided to give a speech at the Lincoln memorial, co-opt military equipment like it's a Soviet military parade, and has given Republican donors and RNC officials their own ticketed VIP section. Seriously, none of the board's conservatives see the issue with this? Really? Mead posted... Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:924197900] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm led to understand politicians stay away from this event to keep it from being political and allowing the American people this thing.</quote> Exactly. The issue is less that Trump wants more money spent on the festivities (though that is an issue) and more that he's taking great pains to make it about him and the Republicans and turn the whole thing into a campaign rally. Presidents in particular usually spend July 4th away from the capital in order to avoid any appearance of partisanship at the celebrations. Trump has decided to give a speech at the Lincoln memorial, co-opt military equipment like it's a Soviet military parade, and has given Republican donors and RNC officials their own ticketed VIP section. Seriously, none of the board's conservatives see the issue with this? Really? <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes </quote> If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:56:29 PM #28:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpGs5bATYbU" data-time=" Damn those crazy right wingers and their conspiracy theories! Please get informed and no watching cnn doesnt count <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924197903] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpGs5bATYbU" data-time=" Damn those crazy right wingers and their conspiracy theories! Please get informed and no watching cnn doesnt count</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:56:54 PM #29:	darkknight109 posted... If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3 <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924197929] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious!</quote> Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 07/03/19 2:59:05 PM #30:	OhhhJa posted... darkknight109 posted... If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3 You seem to have some trouble with basic percentages, so I'm not sure how seriously to take that boast, Mr. "Trump got 74% of the electoral college votes". --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:924198024] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious!</quote> Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3</quote> You seem to have some trouble with basic percentages, so I'm not sure how seriously to take that boast, Mr. "Trump got 74% of the electoral college votes".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 3:03:01 PM #31:	darkknight109 posted... OhhhJa posted... darkknight109 posted... If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3 You seem to have some trouble with basic percentages, so I'm not sure how seriously to take that boast, Mr. "Trump got 74% of the electoral college votes". Surprise surprise. A leftist deflecting from the video evidence after saying it's all made up. Oh and trump won by a lot and that's all that counts sweetie <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924198201] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious!</quote> Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3</quote> You seem to have some trouble with basic percentages, so I'm not sure how seriously to take that boast, Mr. "Trump got 74% of the electoral college votes".</quote> Surprise surprise. A leftist deflecting from the video evidence after saying it's all made up. Oh and trump won by a lot and that's all that counts sweetie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 3:03:18 PM #32:	WastelandCowboy posted... But why? Why celebrate being considered not worth fighting for despite being a massive chunk of a continent? adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. It's not out of place, but that doesn't make it any less wasteful, especially considering there's no shortage of higher-priority targets for government spending when measured by literally any metric that isn't the current president's narcissistic compulsions. If the US government had a surplus and nothing functional to spend it on? Sure, throw a bigger party and have some fun with it. But having fun with taxes that were collected under the pretense of bettering the country is borderline fraudulent. If he does something else, it will be divisive as republicans and liberals basically agree on nothing when it comes to policy. This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal and the main people upset by it are the people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. BlackScythe0 posted... What the hell are you talking about? Gains public support? This is a dictators adulation, this isn't American. We are wasting a massive amount of money and Trump is giving out tickets to republican donors. Make firework show more firework-y, give viewers more than was anticipated, much pleasant. It's inherently not an oligarchy when at least half of the electoral college and Russia established and influence his power. If you want to attack him, do it on valid grounds, there's plenty to go on. Trump brings trump resources to the people, in return gets to fellate his backers for some support. Sounds like political schmoozing 101 to me. MacrossSpecial posted... Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. The problem with that is those policies aren't very visible (or are just the jurisdiction of the state/region). Nobody fixes the roads because it doesn't get a news broadcast and potentially people will complain about roadworks causing jams. When you find a way to fix these problems that advertises the acting party positively more so than everything else, you'll start getting them fixed. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:924198215] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>But why?</quote> Why celebrate being considered not worth fighting for despite being a massive chunk of a continent? <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course.</quote> It's not out of place, but that doesn't make it any less wasteful, especially considering there's no shortage of higher-priority targets for government spending when measured by literally any metric that isn't the current president's narcissistic compulsions. If the US government had a surplus and nothing functional to spend it on? Sure, throw a bigger party and have some fun with it. But having fun with taxes that were collected under the pretense of bettering the country is borderline fraudulent.</quote> If he does something else, it will be divisive as republicans and liberals basically agree on nothing when it comes to policy. This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal and the main people upset by it are the people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote>What the hell are you talking about? Gains public support? This is a dictators adulation, this isn't American. We are wasting a massive amount of money and Trump is giving out tickets to republican donors.</quote> Make firework show more firework-y, give viewers more than was anticipated, much pleasant. It's inherently not an oligarchy when at least half of the electoral college and Russia established and influence his power. If you want to attack him, do it on valid grounds, there's plenty to go on. Trump brings trump resources to the people, in return gets to fellate his backers for some support. Sounds like political schmoozing 101 to me. <cite>MacrossSpecial posted...</cite> <quote>Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind.</quote> The problem with that is those policies aren't very visible (or are just the jurisdiction of the state/region). Nobody fixes the roads because it doesn't get a news broadcast and potentially people will complain about roadworks causing jams. When you find a way to fix these problems that advertises the acting party positively more so than everything else, you'll start getting them fixed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 3:06:55 PM #33:	@Mead Where'd you go, sweetie? You were saying something about people wanting open borders being a myth? @Archgoat How bout you bud? <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924198371] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>@Mead Where'd you go, sweetie? You were saying something about people wanting open borders being a myth? @Archgoat How bout you bud?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Archgoat 07/03/19 3:19:09 PM #34:	OhhhJa posted... @Mead Where'd you go, sweetie? You were saying something about people wanting open borders being a myth? @Archgoat How bout you bud? First of all neither of those videos has people screaming for open borders. Secondly, videos of idiots in the street shouting slogans is not conclusive evidence of how a majority of liberals or liberal politicians stand on political stances. I can show videos of right wing nut jobs shouting racist slogans, does that represent a conservative rally? Open borders was originally a term linked to trade and trading openly with countries, not immigration. <cite>Archgoat posted [p:924198852] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>@Mead Where'd you go, sweetie? You were saying something about people wanting open borders being a myth? @Archgoat How bout you bud?</quote> First of all neither of those videos has people screaming for open borders. Secondly, videos of idiots in the street shouting slogans is not conclusive evidence of how a majority of liberals or liberal politicians stand on political stances. I can show videos of right wing nut jobs shouting racist slogans, does that represent a conservative rally? Open borders was originally a term linked to trade and trading openly with countries, not immigration.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 3:23:23 PM #35:	Archgoat posted... First of all neither of those videos has people screaming for open borders. Secondly, videos of idiots in the street shouting slogans is not conclusive evidence of how a majority of liberals or liberal politicians stand on political stances. I can show videos of right wing nut jobs shouting racist slogans, does that represent a conservative rally? Open borders was originally a term linked to trade and trading openly with countries, not immigration. It was literally a leftist rally my dude. I never said a majority of liberals or even those on the left want open borders but there is a fairly large number of people that do. And how can you say they arent chanting for open borders in the videos? They were saying no wall no usa at all lol. I'm not sure how else you can interpret that <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924199040] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Archgoat posted...</cite> <quote>First of all neither of those videos has people screaming for open borders. Secondly, videos of idiots in the street shouting slogans is not conclusive evidence of how a majority of liberals or liberal politicians stand on political stances. I can show videos of right wing nut jobs shouting racist slogans, does that represent a conservative rally? Open borders was originally a term linked to trade and trading openly with countries, not immigration.</quote> It was literally a leftist rally my dude. I never said a majority of liberals or even those on the left want open borders but there is a fairly large number of people that do. And how can you say they arent chanting for open borders in the videos? They were saying no wall no usa at all lol. I'm not sure how else you can interpret that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Archgoat 07/03/19 3:28:15 PM #36:	Well a white power rally is a right wing rally, your point being? Also, what stat are you using that a "fairly large" number of people want open borders? I don't know what that slogan means, could be open borders, could be that a wall and trump rhetoric is not American. Most liberals don't associate with that though, so you are just trying to use a small sample of idiots to equate to a marge larger group of people. <cite>Archgoat posted [p:924199265] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>Well a white power rally is a right wing rally, your point being? Also, what stat are you using that a "fairly large" number of people want open borders? I don't know what that slogan means, could be open borders, could be that a wall and trump rhetoric is not American. Most liberals don't associate with that though, so you are just trying to use a small sample of idiots to equate to a marge larger group of people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 07/03/19 3:38:07 PM #37:	OhhhJa posted... Surprise surprise. A leftist deflecting from the video evidence after saying it's all made up. Where did I say anything was "all made up"? Or are you weak on reading as well as math? And what, exactly, is your "video evidence" of a few dozen people supposed to prove? OhhhJa posted... Oh and trump won by a lot and that's all that counts sweetie I know math is a struggle for you, but an 80,000 vote margin of victory in a country with 100 million voters isn't "a lot". Neither is winning 57% (notably not 74% - let me know if you need me to walk you through this one again) of the electoral college votes. Neither is losing the popular vote by three million votes. It's OK for you to admit that Trump was elected by a minority of the population and that more people wanted Hillary to be president. I promise it won't set your hair on fire if you say it. Kyuubi4269 posted... This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal It's not universal, that's the point. Trump is taking a previously neutral, nonpartisan event and introducing partisan individuals and politics into it. No one complained about Trump's July 4th activities in the first two years of his presidency - he should've stuck with them. Kyuubi4269 posted... Trump brings trump resources to the people No, Trump brings the people's resources to the Republicans. It would be one thing if the Republicans or Trump himself were paying for this little stunt, but no, the taxpaying public is on the hook for every cent of Trump's little political rally (including planes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to fly, workers that need to be paid overtime to clean up the extra fireworks, the security costs, the costs of moving the tanks into position, so on and so forth). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:924199726] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Surprise surprise. A leftist deflecting from the video evidence after saying it's all made up. </quote> Where did I say anything was "all made up"? Or are you weak on reading as well as math? And what, exactly, is your "video evidence" of a few dozen people supposed to prove? <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Oh and trump won by a lot and that's all that counts sweetie </quote> I know math is a struggle for you, but an 80,000 vote margin of victory in a country with 100 million voters isn't "a lot". Neither is winning 57% (notably not 74% - let me know if you need me to walk you through this one again) of the electoral college votes. Neither is losing the popular vote by three million votes. It's OK for you to admit that Trump was elected by a minority of the population and that more people wanted Hillary to be president. I promise it won't set your hair on fire if you say it. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal</quote> It's not universal, that's the point. Trump is taking a previously neutral, nonpartisan event and introducing partisan individuals and politics into it. No one complained about Trump's July 4th activities in the first two years of his presidency - he should've stuck with them. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump brings trump resources to the people</quote> No, Trump brings the people's resources to the Republicans. It would be one thing if the Republicans or Trump himself were paying for this little stunt, but no, the taxpaying public is on the hook for every cent of Trump's little political rally (including planes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to fly, workers that need to be paid overtime to clean up the extra fireworks, the security costs, the costs of moving the tanks into position, so on and so forth).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 3:48:06 PM #38:	darkknight109 posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal It's not universal, that's the point. Trump is taking a previously neutral, nonpartisan event and introducing partisan individuals and politics into it. No one complained about Trump's July 4th activities in the first two years of his presidency - he should've stuck with them. Kyuubi4269 posted... Trump brings trump resources to the people No, Trump brings the people's resources to the Republicans. It would be one thing if the Republicans or Trump himself were paying for this little stunt, but no, the taxpaying public is on the hook for every cent of Trump's little political rally (including planes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to fly, workers that need to be paid overtime to clean up the extra fireworks, the security costs, the costs of moving the tanks into position, so on and so forth). I didn't realise he turned it in to a private event for registered republicans only. Oh, wait... --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:924200158] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal</quote> It's not universal, that's the point. Trump is taking a previously neutral, nonpartisan event and introducing partisan individuals and politics into it. No one complained about Trump's July 4th activities in the first two years of his presidency - he should've stuck with them. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump brings trump resources to the people</quote> No, Trump brings the people's resources to the Republicans. It would be one thing if the Republicans or Trump himself were paying for this little stunt, but no, the taxpaying public is on the hook for every cent of Trump's little political rally (including planes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to fly, workers that need to be paid overtime to clean up the extra fireworks, the security costs, the costs of moving the tanks into position, so on and so forth).</quote> I didn't realise he turned it in to a private event for registered republicans only. Oh, wait...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 4:41:16 PM #39:	darkknight109 posted... Where did I say anything was "all made up"? Or are you weak on reading as well as math? And what, exactly, is your "video evidence" of a few dozen people supposed to prove? For someone who masquerades as someone of high intellect, you sure use a hell of a lot of ad hominem. Not to mention there were two videos totaling well over a "few dozen people." Unless by a few dozen, you mean at least a dozen dozens. As far as you saying it was all fake, you quoted posters saying that practically nobody wants open borders and proceeded to use that to insult so I was assuming you agreed. I can find more videos if you want. It's definitely more than a few dozen people that support open border. It's more or less the entirety of antifa among other groups. Probably a lot more than the nazi boogeyman that you and other posters seem to think is taking over the country en masse darkknight109 posted... I know math is a struggle for you, but an 80,000 vote margin of victory in a country with 100 million voters isn't "a lot". Neither is winning 57% (notably not 74% - let me know if you need me to walk you through this one again) of the electoral college votes. Neither is losing the popular vote by three million votes. It's OK for you to admit that Trump was elected by a minority of the population and that more people wanted Hillary to be president. I promise it won't set your hair on fire if you say it. I'd say 57% is a pretty fair amount. Indisputable at least. <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924202517] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Where did I say anything was "all made up"? Or are you weak on reading as well as math? And what, exactly, is your "video evidence" of a few dozen people supposed to prove?</quote> For someone who masquerades as someone of high intellect, you sure use a hell of a lot of ad hominem. Not to mention there were two videos totaling well over a "few dozen people." Unless by a few dozen, you mean at least a dozen dozens. As far as you saying it was all fake, you quoted posters saying that practically nobody wants open borders and proceeded to use that to insult so I was assuming you agreed. I can find more videos if you want. It's definitely more than a few dozen people that support open border. It's more or less the entirety of antifa among other groups. Probably a lot more than the nazi boogeyman that you and other posters seem to think is taking over the country en masse <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I know math is a struggle for you, but an 80,000 vote margin of victory in a country with 100 million voters isn't "a lot". Neither is winning 57% (notably not 74% - let me know if you need me to walk you through this one again) of the electoral college votes. Neither is losing the popular vote by three million votes. It's OK for you to admit that Trump was elected by a minority of the population and that more people wanted Hillary to be president. I promise it won't set your hair on fire if you say it.</quote> I'd say 57% is a pretty fair amount. Indisputable at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 07/03/19 6:21:23 PM #40:	Kyuubi4269 posted... I didn't realise he turned it in to a private event for registered republicans only. Then you haven't been reading the news. There's a ticketed VIP section exclusively for Republican party officials and their donors. OhhhJa posted... For someone who masquerades as someone of high intellect, you sure use a hell of a lot of ad hominem. I generally match whoever I'm talking to. OhhhJa posted... As far as you saying it was all fake, you quoted posters saying that practically nobody wants open borders and proceeded to use that to insult so I was assuming you agreed. Hell of an assumption, but let's roll with it. In what way do those videos disprove the idea that "practically nobody" wants open borders? A few dozen people - even the "dozen dozen" you're insisting are actually there - constitute practically nobody in a nation of more than 300 million people. I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. OhhhJa posted... I'd say 57% is a pretty fair amount. So you finally figured out it wasn't 74%? Good for you! You're getting better with this. Anyways, in the interest of fairness you should probably also acknowledge that 57% is the narrowest margin of victory for any president of either party not named George W. Bush in the last 50 years. Trump managed to beat the other guy who failed to win the popular vote and literally no one else. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:924206878] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't realise he turned it in to a private event for registered republicans only.</quote> Then you haven't been reading the news. There's a ticketed VIP section exclusively for Republican party officials and their donors. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>For someone who masquerades as someone of high intellect, you sure use a hell of a lot of ad hominem. </quote> I generally match whoever I'm talking to. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>As far as you saying it was all fake, you quoted posters saying that practically nobody wants open borders and proceeded to use that to insult so I was assuming you agreed.</quote> Hell of an assumption, but let's roll with it. In what way do those videos disprove the idea that "practically nobody" wants open borders? A few dozen people - even the "dozen dozen" you're insisting are actually there - constitute practically nobody in a nation of more than 300 million people. I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say 57% is a pretty fair amount. </quote> So you finally figured out it wasn't 74%? Good for you! You're getting better with this. Anyways, in the interest of fairness you should probably also acknowledge that 57% is the narrowest margin of victory for any president of either party not named George W. Bush in the last 50 years. Trump managed to beat the other guy who failed to win the popular vote and literally no one else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 6:27:56 PM #41:	darkknight109 posted... I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924207176] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis.</quote> For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 6:30:31 PM #42:	darkknight109 posted... Then you haven't been reading the news. There's a ticketed VIP section exclusively for Republican party officials and their donors. So? --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:924207269] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Then you haven't been reading the news. There's a ticketed VIP section exclusively for Republican party officials and their donors.</quote> So?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 07/03/19 6:30:54 PM #43:	OhhhJa posted... darkknight109 posted... I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb So you're saying all Republicans are Nazis? Because the "logic" you're using cuts both ways. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:924207291] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis.</quote> For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb</quote> So you're saying all Republicans are Nazis? Because the "logic" you're using cuts both ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/03/19 6:56:39 PM #44:	darkknight109 posted... OhhhJa posted... darkknight109 posted... I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb So you're saying all Republicans are Nazis? Because the "logic" you're using cuts both ways. Now, I'm definitely questioning your reading comprehension but I guess you're trying to be cryptic about making some point <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:924208244] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis.</quote> For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb</quote> So you're saying all Republicans are Nazis? Because the "logic" you're using cuts both ways.</quote> Now, I'm definitely questioning your reading comprehension but I guess you're trying to be cryptic about making some point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/04/19 12:45:54 AM #45:	I'm seeing it pop up all over the internet now that this could very well be a violation of the hatch act. It depends on how Trump acts when he speaks, but he turns it into a rally he's breaking the law. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:924222020] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote>I'm seeing it pop up all over the internet now that this could very well be a violation of the hatch act. It depends on how Trump acts when he speaks, but he turns it into a rally he's breaking the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/04/19 12:50:14 AM #46:	BlackScythe0 posted... I'm seeing it pop up all over the internet now that this could very well be a violation of the hatch act. It depends on how Trump acts when he speaks, but he turns it into a rally he's breaking the law. Yeah but he already breaks the law every week --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:924222148] in Anybody el... [t:77836406]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm seeing it pop up all over the internet now that this could very well be a violation of the hatch act. It depends on how Trump acts when he speaks, but he turns it into a rally he's breaking the law.</quote> Yeah but he already breaks the law every week</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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