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WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:13:24 PM #1: |
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/02/737144875/tanks-flyovers-and-heightened-security-trumps-fourth-of-july-ups-taxpayer-cost
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WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:14:10 PM #2: |
The Capitol Concerts portion of the program, plus the annual Memorial Day concert, is budgeted at $6.4 million from the National Park Service budget, which is under the Interior Department, said Annie Orloff, Udall's press secretary. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:14:45 PM #3: |
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WastelandCowboy 07/02/19 10:15:10 PM #4: |
The group is helping spearhead an effort to pass out thousands of shirts on the Fourth featuring the late Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, the Navy war hero and lawmaker who died last year and remains a target of Trump's ire. Apologies for the multiple posts. Long story - lots of info. I'm all for celebrating our independence and our nation's heroes, but this just feels like overkill. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 12:15:41 PM #5: |
Bump?
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Philoktetes 07/03/19 12:19:40 PM #6: |
NPR is a liberal source
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Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 12:20:18 PM #7: |
Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally?
You guys get to enjoy your big day more, cheer up. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 12:23:53 PM #8: |
Philoktetes posted...
NPR is a liberal source Ok? Kyuubi4269 posted... Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 07/03/19 12:28:48 PM #9: |
Its been apparent for months that this was the case ever since trump started throwing the idea around
Nixon had the exact same idea. Just another step in the direction of him modeling himself after anti-democratic dictators --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Broken_Zeus 07/03/19 12:41:26 PM #10: |
Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally.
Mead posted... Nixon had the exact same idea. Just another step in the direction of him modeling himself after anti-democratic dictators This guy is just way too much. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 12:52:08 PM #11: |
Broken_Zeus posted...
Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally.Because theres nothing out of the ordinary about this event? Absolutely nothing. Just Murcia. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 07/03/19 1:01:44 PM #12: |
Nah, it's a totally neutral event with no partisan overtones whatsoever. That's why the best seats have been reserved for Republican donors and political appointees and tickets are being doled out by the RNC. And, of course, the headline act is a president who couldn't make a bipartisan speech if someone literally handed him the script to one.
Nothing partisan about that at all. Seriously, if Trump can dig up millions of dollars for his vanity show (money that was originally earmarked for maintaining public parks), maybe he should be using it to buy soap and toothbrushes for the migrant detention centres that are screaming that they're running out of money. Just a thought. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 1:58:10 PM #13: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers? None of it is needed. More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 07/03/19 2:00:06 PM #14: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...But are tanks really needed? And a Vip section? All at the expense of taxpayers? But why? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 07/03/19 2:17:24 PM #15: |
@Broken_Zeus
Like Ive been saying my dude Youre once again making an attempt to talk down to others while also making it apparent that youre ignorant about the issue at hand https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trumps-salute-to-america-on-fourth-of-july-recalls-nixons-honor-america-day-in-1970 https://www.thedailytimes.com/opinion/military-parades-are-for-dictatorships/article_5eeb4fea-61bd-50c3-9bff-22e4e36b55ae.html --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 07/03/19 2:19:31 PM #16: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. It's not out of place, but that doesn't make it any less wasteful, especially considering there's no shortage of higher-priority targets for government spending when measured by literally any metric that isn't the current president's narcissistic compulsions. If the US government had a surplus and nothing functional to spend it on? Sure, throw a bigger party and have some fun with it. But having fun with taxes that were collected under the pretense of bettering the country is borderline fraudulent. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:29:19 PM #17: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
what's supposed to be a liberal rally? Antifa event with giant stalin banners and chanting no borders no walls no usa at all? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 07/03/19 2:35:50 PM #18: |
Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes
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BlackScythe0 07/03/19 2:40:29 PM #19: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Compared to typical government spending, this gains much bigger public support for much cheaper so the cost isn't really a big deal. Let's also note that if spending more on something the people generally enjoy cross-party is a republican rally, what's supposed to be a liberal rally? What the hell are you talking about? Gains public support? This is a dictators adulation, this isn't American. We are wasting a massive amount of money and Trump is giving out tickets to republican donors. Broken_Zeus posted... Sure, because everybody knows the DNC hates the Fourth of July and America, right? XD It's an open event. When a Democratic president throws something, you'll get more Democrats turning out than Republicans. When a Republican president throws something, you'll get more Republicans turning out than Democrats. When Trump throws something, you'll get angsty people boycotting it and throwing themselves a pity party instead, then maybe the next day organizing a protest rally. I'm led to understand politicians stay away from this event to keep it from being political and allowing the American people this thing. Trump has made it political and all about him. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Archgoat 07/03/19 2:44:11 PM #20: |
Mead posted...
Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes It's all they got, these are the same people that thought Obama was trying to take over Texas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacrossSpecial 07/03/19 2:46:09 PM #21: |
Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind.
Nah, but let's have a creepy murica parade instead. That's cool. --- ...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets. - RX7Infinitilll ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 07/03/19 2:47:11 PM #22: |
MacrossSpecial posted...
Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Or it could just be used for the national parks the money is being taken from after his ignorant government shut down. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:53:44 PM #23: |
Mead posted...
Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes There are literally videos of groups of people chanting that you pleb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacrossSpecial 07/03/19 2:53:52 PM #24: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
MacrossSpecial posted...Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. Or that. I meant if he wanted to show people that he has a boner for the military, a few million dollars not spent on fluff and general bs would shore up a ton of votes but he doesn't have the experience to understand that. --- ...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets. - RX7Infinitilll ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:55:01 PM #25: |
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Broken_Zeus 07/03/19 2:55:50 PM #26: |
darkknight109 posted...
Nah, it's a totally neutral event with no partisan overtones whatsoever. That's why the best seats have been reserved for Republican donors and political appointees and tickets are being doled out by the RNC. And, of course, the headline act is a president who couldn't make a bipartisan speech if someone literally handed him the script to one. ...which comes to the real objection right away. Just more hysterical reactions to Trump. Nothing to see here, folks! Mead posted... @Broken_Zeus @Mead >Talks about ignorance >Cites a shitty OP-ED and doubles down on implying Nixon was a dictator (lolwut?) Just quit talking about politics already. You're somehow even worse than Erik P and ICO. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 07/03/19 2:56:28 PM #27: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
I'm led to understand politicians stay away from this event to keep it from being political and allowing the American people this thing. Exactly. The issue is less that Trump wants more money spent on the festivities (though that *is* an issue) and more that he's taking great pains to make it about him and the Republicans and turn the whole thing into a campaign rally. Presidents in particular usually spend July 4th away from the capital in order to avoid any appearance of partisanship at the celebrations. Trump has decided to give a speech at the Lincoln memorial, co-opt military equipment like it's a Soviet military parade, and has given Republican donors and RNC officials their own ticketed VIP section. Seriously, none of the board's conservatives see the issue with this? Really? Mead posted... Once again a conservative pulls out the open borders strawman that practically no one actually believes If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:56:29 PM #28: |
Damn those crazy right wingers and their conspiracy theories! Please get informed and no watching cnn doesnt count ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 2:56:54 PM #29: |
darkknight109 posted...
If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! Yeah I suck at math. That's how i got 104 in calc 3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 07/03/19 2:59:05 PM #30: |
OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! You seem to have some trouble with basic percentages, so I'm not sure how seriously to take that boast, Mr. "Trump got 74% of the electoral college votes". --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 3:03:01 PM #31: |
darkknight109 posted...
OhhhJa posted...darkknight109 posted...If you want a laugh, ask him to do basic math questions. It's hilarious! Surprise surprise. A leftist deflecting from the video evidence after saying it's all made up. Oh and trump won by a lot and that's all that counts sweetie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 3:03:18 PM #32: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
But why? Why celebrate being considered not worth fighting for despite being a massive chunk of a continent? adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted...More extravagance at an extravagant event is par for course. If he does something else, it will be divisive as republicans and liberals basically agree on nothing when it comes to policy. This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal and the main people upset by it are the people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. BlackScythe0 posted... What the hell are you talking about? Gains public support? Make firework show more firework-y, give viewers more than was anticipated, much pleasant. It's inherently not an oligarchy when at least half of the electoral college and Russia established and influence his power. If you want to attack him, do it on valid grounds, there's plenty to go on. Trump brings trump resources to the people, in return gets to fellate his backers for some support. Sounds like political schmoozing 101 to me. MacrossSpecial posted... Things the military could use this money on: cyber systems hardening, retention of critical members leaving the military, getting feces out of the tap water on bases, fixing crumbling buildings to include living facilities... Just a few that come to mind. The problem with that is those policies aren't very visible (or are just the jurisdiction of the state/region). Nobody fixes the roads because it doesn't get a news broadcast and potentially people will complain about roadworks causing jams. When you find a way to fix these problems that advertises the acting party positively more so than everything else, you'll start getting them fixed. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 3:06:55 PM #33: |
@Mead
Where'd you go, sweetie? You were saying something about people wanting open borders being a myth? @Archgoat How bout you bud? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Archgoat 07/03/19 3:19:09 PM #34: |
OhhhJa posted...
@Mead First of all neither of those videos has people screaming for open borders. Secondly, videos of idiots in the street shouting slogans is not conclusive evidence of how a majority of liberals or liberal politicians stand on political stances. I can show videos of right wing nut jobs shouting racist slogans, does that represent a conservative rally? Open borders was originally a term linked to trade and trading openly with countries, not immigration. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 3:23:23 PM #35: |
Archgoat posted...
First of all neither of those videos has people screaming for open borders. Secondly, videos of idiots in the street shouting slogans is not conclusive evidence of how a majority of liberals or liberal politicians stand on political stances. I can show videos of right wing nut jobs shouting racist slogans, does that represent a conservative rally? It was literally a leftist rally my dude. I never said a majority of liberals or even those on the left want open borders but there is a fairly large number of people that do. And how can you say they arent chanting for open borders in the videos? They were saying no wall no usa at all lol. I'm not sure how else you can interpret that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Archgoat 07/03/19 3:28:15 PM #36: |
Well a white power rally is a right wing rally, your point being?
Also, what stat are you using that a "fairly large" number of people want open borders? I don't know what that slogan means, could be open borders, could be that a wall and trump rhetoric is not American. Most liberals don't associate with that though, so you are just trying to use a small sample of idiots to equate to a marge larger group of people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 07/03/19 3:38:07 PM #37: |
OhhhJa posted...
Surprise surprise. A leftist deflecting from the video evidence after saying it's all made up. Where did I say anything was "all made up"? Or are you weak on reading as well as math? And what, exactly, is your "video evidence" of a few dozen people supposed to prove? OhhhJa posted... Oh and trump won by a lot and that's all that counts sweetie I know math is a struggle for you, but an 80,000 vote margin of victory in a country with 100 million voters isn't "a lot". Neither is winning 57% (notably not 74% - let me know if you need me to walk you through this one again) of the electoral college votes. Neither is losing the popular vote by three million votes. It's OK for you to admit that Trump was elected by a minority of the population and that more people wanted Hillary to be president. I promise it won't set your hair on fire if you say it. Kyuubi4269 posted... This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal It's *not* universal, that's the point. Trump is taking a previously neutral, nonpartisan event and introducing partisan individuals and politics into it. No one complained about Trump's July 4th activities in the first two years of his presidency - he should've stuck with them. Kyuubi4269 posted... Trump brings trump resources to the people No, Trump brings the people's resources to the Republicans. It would be one thing if the Republicans or Trump himself were paying for this little stunt, but no, the taxpaying public is on the hook for every cent of Trump's little political rally (including planes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to fly, workers that need to be paid overtime to clean up the extra fireworks, the security costs, the costs of moving the tanks into position, so on and so forth). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 3:48:06 PM #38: |
darkknight109 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...This is an event that will put people on the fence more at ease due to being universal I didn't realise he turned it in to a private event for registered republicans only. Oh, wait... --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 4:41:16 PM #39: |
darkknight109 posted...
Where did I say anything was "all made up"? Or are you weak on reading as well as math? For someone who masquerades as someone of high intellect, you sure use a hell of a lot of ad hominem. Not to mention there were two videos totaling well over a "few dozen people." Unless by a few dozen, you mean at least a dozen dozens. As far as you saying it was all fake, you quoted posters saying that practically nobody wants open borders and proceeded to use that to insult so I was assuming you agreed. I can find more videos if you want. It's definitely more than a few dozen people that support open border. It's more or less the entirety of antifa among other groups. Probably a lot more than the nazi boogeyman that you and other posters seem to think is taking over the country en masse darkknight109 posted... I know math is a struggle for you, but an 80,000 vote margin of victory in a country with 100 million voters isn't "a lot". Neither is winning 57% (notably not 74% - let me know if you need me to walk you through this one again) of the electoral college votes. Neither is losing the popular vote by three million votes. I'd say 57% is a pretty fair amount. Indisputable at least. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 07/03/19 6:21:23 PM #40: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
I didn't realise he turned it in to a private event for registered republicans only. Then you haven't been reading the news. There's a ticketed VIP section exclusively for Republican party officials and their donors. OhhhJa posted... For someone who masquerades as someone of high intellect, you sure use a hell of a lot of ad hominem. I generally match whoever I'm talking to. OhhhJa posted... As far as you saying it was all fake, you quoted posters saying that practically nobody wants open borders and proceeded to use that to insult so I was assuming you agreed. Hell of an assumption, but let's roll with it. In what way do those videos disprove the idea that "practically nobody" wants open borders? A few dozen people - even the "dozen dozen" you're insisting are actually there - constitute practically nobody in a nation of more than 300 million people. I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. OhhhJa posted... I'd say 57% is a pretty fair amount. So you finally figured out it wasn't 74%? Good for you! You're getting better with this. Anyways, in the interest of fairness you should probably also acknowledge that 57% is the narrowest margin of victory for any president of either party not named George W. Bush in the last 50 years. Trump managed to beat the other guy who failed to win the popular vote and literally no one else. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 6:27:56 PM #41: |
darkknight109 posted...
I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. For someone slamming my reading comprehension, you sure arent reading very well. I'm only saying that there are a fraction of people on the left who want open borders. There's tons of media coverage of these people and it's not practically nobody. If you wanna say it's practically nobody in a nation of 300 million then you might as well say every group is nobody in a nation of 300 million. And if there are hundreds of people in a video, there are hundreds and probably thousands more that weren't in the video. Do you believe that every video of an activist group always has every single member of that group in the video? Because that's dumb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 07/03/19 6:30:31 PM #42: |
darkknight109 posted...
Then you haven't been reading the news. There's a ticketed VIP section exclusively for Republican party officials and their donors. So? --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 07/03/19 6:30:54 PM #43: |
OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. So you're saying all Republicans *are* Nazis? Because the "logic" you're using cuts both ways. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 07/03/19 6:56:39 PM #44: |
darkknight109 posted...
OhhhJa posted...darkknight109 posted...I can post a dozen videos of white supremacist rallies; that doesn't prove that most Republicans are Nazis. Now, I'm definitely questioning your reading comprehension but I guess you're trying to be cryptic about making some point ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 07/04/19 12:45:54 AM #45: |
I'm seeing it pop up all over the internet now that this could very well be a violation of the hatch act. It depends on how Trump acts when he speaks, but he turns it into a rally he's breaking the law.
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Mead 07/04/19 12:50:14 AM #46: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
I'm seeing it pop up all over the internet now that this could very well be a violation of the hatch act. It depends on how Trump acts when he speaks, but he turns it into a rally he's breaking the law. Yeah but he already breaks the law every week --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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