Poll of the Day > Is it acceptable to discriminate against people for things they can't control?

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I'm talking things like race, gender, sexual orientation, height (you know the guy), and genetic illnesses and mutations like polydactyl. I could probably throw country of origin in there since no one chooses where they are born but ehh.

To be clear, this is only about judging and discriminating against them for these base factors, like if you'd never met them before and only knew a list of these facts.
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Long time no see, tc
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Some random guy, sure.

Government places, no.

Private companies, yes (mostly. Some exceptions.)

MechaKirby posted...

Long time no see, tc

Haha.

I never left.
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Like uncontrollable sword fetishes?
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What can people reasonably control? Even if you exclude intangible physical characteristics, there are a lot of other things that people don't have complete agency over, whether it's their beliefs, preferences, etc.
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Taily_Po posted...

What can people reasonably control? Even if you exclude intangible physical characteristics, there are a lot of other things that people don't have complete agency over, whether it's their beliefs, preferences, etc.

Yeah that's why I broke it off at country of origin, since people also don't choose their parents, early education, early nutrition, early income level, etc. etc. The point when a person has to really start owning their actions is nebulous, and just a whole big messy issue. So let's ignore it and only focus on a few of the more prominent factors.
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Race, gender, sexual orientation: no

Height: maybe in some jobs that demand tall height or short height.

Country of Origin: No.

Genetic Illnesses: If it's not infectious, then no.
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Hop103 posted...

Genetic Illnesses: If it's not infectious, then no.

Can genetic diseases even be infectious?
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Sorta. I mean I personally don't think folk should be discriminated against about things out of their control however I'm not going to throw a fit if someone does exactly that so I guess I accept it in some cases.
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Isn't this in the top ten of the most illegal things?
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One bump for the weekend crowd.
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zebatov posted...

Isn't this in the top ten of the most illegal things?

Discrimination is illegal. But there are ways to find whatever means to legally preclude someone from being hired

No but it happens all the time. Height is probably one of the most common forms of discrimination that is pretty much widely accepted and often encouraged. The reaction to that video of the the short dude is a prime example of that. While that guy was an asshat, a lot of the comments on it were people calling him shrimp and midget and the like which ironically validated a lot of what he was saying. Studies have been done that prove as much anyway. That's why napolean complex is a thing. Because small dudes feel they have to overcompensate due to discrimination

I discriminate against stupid people, though most of them have no real control over it, shaped as they were by genetics, upbringing, culture, and nutritional and educational choices made long before they had any say in their own lives.

They're still stupid, though.


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Hell yeah they should be able to. Way too many people would face jail if it was somehow made illegal.
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Technically it's not. But that doesn't really stop people, for good or bad reasons.
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Extreme_light posted...

Technically it's not. But that doesn't really stop people, for good or bad reasons.

Ah but the discriminators find it acceptable.
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Dreaming_King posted...

I can't go into details about it yet

I behalf of the board: good.

People can't help how they feel. Just control your urges to act on it if it's not necessary.

I guess it depends on what you mean by discrimination.

Basic kindness for the disabled, yeah? But what does acceptance really imply? At what point does it become enabling and promoting?

I mean, imagine what sort of disadvantaged species we would be if nature didn't bother to discriminate genetic traits.

Is it really alright for the deaf to discourage cochlear implants and promote deaf culture, ect? Is that what sort of species we want to become?

NeoSioType posted...

Is it really alright for the deaf to discourage cochlear implants and promote deaf culture, ect? Is that what sort of species we want to become?

Those parents are scumbags. It's illegal in many countries to give children weird names because it may cause unnecessary hardships in life but these fuckers are literally preventing their kids from having a basic human function.
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Its ok to discriminate on the actions and character of a person, but not based on a predisposition of who they are innately
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Mead posted...

Its ok to discriminate on the actions and character of a person, but not based on a predisposition of who they are innately

But what if their actions and character are the direct product of who they are innately?


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I don't understand the responses.
Discriminating against someone is a way of acting toward them.

"people should be free to feel anyway about anyone for any reason."
This is not an action. Regardless of how you feel about someone you are still in control of how you act toward them.

"only in a few cases (pedophilia, psychopathy, etc.)"
Of these examples a psychopath has a mental illness and is not in control of their actions. While someone who discriminates is in control of how they act toward a psychopath.

It can be argued a pedophile also has an illness though they can control whether they act on it

Neither condition alone justifies an action in response.
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Interesting response, very interesting... Thanks for the data my comrades, I shall use it well.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

Its ok to discriminate on the actions and character of a person, but not based on a predisposition of who they are innately

But what if their actions and character are the direct product of who they are innately?

Then discriminate away

Actions and character are what they are
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Mead posted...

Actions and character are what they are

But if they only developed those personality traits and behaviors due to circumstances that are ultimately beyond their control, wouldn't that be discriminating against someone for factors they can't necessarily control, and which ultimately may not be their fault?


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everyone is equal, lets all be bestys

teehee
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GamerGirlzBesty posted...

Will you be my bestie?

I will not be your "bestie", begone.
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Dreaming_King posted...

GamerGirlzBesty posted...

Will you be my bestie?

I will not be your "bestie", begone.

everyone should be bestys, so sad

teehee
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

Actions and character are what they are

But if they only developed those personality traits and behaviors due to circumstances that are ultimately beyond their control, wouldn't that be discriminating against someone for factors they can't necessarily control, and which ultimately may not be their fault?

It doesnt matter if its their fault in the end

If an innate trait causes some to commit a crime, then theyre still a criminal

But if you assume everyone with that innate trait must be a criminal then youre being prejudiced and unfairly discriminatory

People should be weighed and measured on their actions and character traits. If some of those things are outside of their control then its really too bad, but thats just how it is. The world isnt always a fair place.
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