Current Events > Don't you love how "he got #MeToo'ed" is now an expression?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Instead of She got raped?
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Turns out

We do live in a rape culture. Who would have guessed?
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I think the "He got #MeToo'd" is about guys why get falsely accused.
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Sabram posted...

I think the "He got #MeToo'd" is about guys why get falsely accused.

Wanna give that another shot?
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never heard that expression
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That's not an expression.
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EffectAndCause posted...

Sabram posted...

I think the "He got #MeToo'd" is about guys why get falsely accused.

Wanna give that another shot?

Sounded right to me \_()_/
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EffectAndCause posted...

Sabram posted...

I think the "He got #MeToo'd" is about guys why get falsely accused.

Wanna give that another shot?

It's about guys who get falsely accused or are accused without proof.

The two biggest were about rape, but you have everything from being falsely accused to being creepy to being an abuser to being an actual rapist, so the phrase seems correct.

QueenCarly posted...

Turns out

We do live in a rape culture

We don't, sorry.

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.
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this frames #metoo as being a bad thing

gee i wonder why our culture takes rape accusations and treats people who are accused as being the rapist as being the victims.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Turns out

We do live in a rape culture

We don't, sorry.

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

why is the implication that #metoo is linked to false accusations

Fam_Fam posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Turns out

We do live in a rape culture

We don't, sorry.

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

why is the implication that #metoo is linked to false accusations

Because of rape culture. The vast majority of rape allegations are true
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

Which, nevertheless, is indicative in its own right. #metoo was never about naming perpetrators in the first place, it was about women speaking up to shed light on how common sexual harassment (and worse) is. The accusing of famous men might have been inspired by the #metoo movement, but it was not the movement's purpose. So using a movement that was about giving women a voice to describe perceived Injustice towards men is indicative of something awry, yeah
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scar the 1 posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

Which, nevertheless, is indicative in its own right. #metoo was never about naming perpetrators in the first place, it was about women speaking up to shed light on how common sexual harassment (and worse) is. The accusing of famous men might have been inspired by the #metoo movement, but it was not the movement's purpose. So using a movement that was about giving women a voice to describe perceived Injustice towards men is indicative of something awry, yeah

No, #metoo was always about equating forcible rape with "an old guy called me sweetie one time" using vague unprovable generalizations. It's just another cultish feminist tactic to inflate the numbers to what they desire, similar to the "1 in 3 college women are raped" statistic that's also complete bullshit.

Annihilated posted...

No, #metoo was always about equating forcible rape with "an old guy called me sweetie one time"

Why are you using such a straw man to trivialize sexual harassment and abuse?
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scar the 1 posted...

Annihilated posted...

No, #metoo was always about equating forcible rape with "an old guy called me sweetie one time"

Why are you using such a straw man to trivialize sexual harassment and abuse?

You mean why are women using sexual harassment to trivialize actual rape?

scar the 1 posted...

#metoo was never about naming perpetrators in the first place

Maybe not at the outset, but it quickly became a way to seek notoriety ("I was sexually harassed by somebody famous!") or a way to attempt to drag down people who are either rich, famous, or powerful (Brett Kavanaugh is a high profile example of this).

More often than not, the allegations evaporate after a while. It's about shining a spotlight on one's self, or on a target whose life would be easy to ruin. It ran out of control the second it became a hashtag.
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GregShmedley posted...

EffectAndCause posted...

Sabram posted...

I think the "He got #MeToo'd" is about guys why get falsely accused.

Wanna give that another shot?

I mean, that is generally the context whenever I've seen it used.

But something tells me your mind is already made up.

I was just referring to the grammar of the sentence.
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Fam_Fam posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Turns out

We do live in a rape culture

We don't, sorry.

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

why is the implication that #metoo is linked to false accusations

Probably because of the hashtag. The idea that people would announce or even talk about such a serious subject on something like social media and describe it using the hashtag gimmick is... difficult to comprehend.

Also, probably because there is a lot of media surrounding any event where a victim is caught in a lie or where the act is so small (hug, cheek kiss, mild flirting) that it would be nothing to the average person but it ruins the offenders life anyway (see Vic Mignogna).

On the other side, there is almost no media coverage for Woman was raped, accused was convicted and sent to prison because that would be a boring story. However, the lack of any of this coverage leads some to believe the former situation is much more common than it is.

umm well #metoo typically refers to sexual assault particularly in a workplace setting, not exactly 100% interchangeable with rape
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

#metoo was never about naming perpetrators in the first place

Maybe not at the outset, but it quickly became a way to seek notoriety ("I was sexually harassed by somebody famous!") or a way to attempt to drag down people who are either rich, famous, or powerful (Brett Kavanaugh is a high profile example of this).

More often than not, the allegations evaporate after a while. It's about shining a spotlight on one's self, or on a target whose life would be easy to ruin. It ran out of control the second it became a hashtag.

Again. That was not the #metoo movement. That was the media realizing that there is money in headlines and clicks related to powerful people being implicated in sexual assault and other misconduct. Or rather, that interest has always been there, but it was amplified thanks to the movement, and capitalized upon. But that's not the movement.
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It's really bad and it's always certain people who say it
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scar the 1 posted...

But that's not the movement.

It is now, unfortunately.
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I wanna say I actually used this expression when talking about Louis C.K. and his situation at work a few days ago.

But it was used in the context of people rushed to judgement.
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Wetterdew posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Turns out

We do live in a rape culture

We don't, sorry.

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

why is the implication that #metoo is linked to false accusations

Because of rape culture. The vast majority of rape allegations are true

Allegation =/= conviction

Also there's tons of stories of women blatantly lying about being raped that have made the news and those disgusting kinds of false allegations make people skeptical.
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De Evolution posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

QueenCarly posted...

Turns out

We do live in a rape culture

We don't, sorry.

"He got #MeToo'd" is usually used in reference to fraudulent or ambiguous allegations that ruin a person's life/career based on nothing but a woman's word. It doesn't imply guilt automatically, so it's not a direct alternative to "she got raped" as the TC seems to think it is.

why is the implication that #metoo is linked to false accusations

Because of rape culture. The vast majority of rape allegations are true

Allegation =/= conviction

Also there's tons of stories of women blatantly lying about being raped that have made the news and those disgusting kinds of false allegations make people skeptical.

Absense of a conviction does not mean a rape did not occur.

Hatred and distrust of women makes people skeptical.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

But that's not the movement.

It is now, unfortunately.

No, it isn't. #metoo starts and ends with just that - people saying that they, too, have been subjected to sexual harassment or abuse. Men being accused of crimes is just that. The difference is that after #metoo became a thing, it's not as OK to dismiss allegations, because victims are angry and sick of not being believed or being trivialized.
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at the height of metoo i saw many a female acquaintance on social media arguing that emotionally toxic relationships should be a qualifier for the hashtag as well

trivializing a trend that really should have been strictly about assault
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I'm all for rapist bastards being locked up for life, but people getting jammed up just for an accusation is unacceptable. Amd you can't agree to sleep with a guy for a good job, get the job and make millions, and then come back years later with a metoo. And while no one woman represents all of them, i know tons of women in real life that share my feelings on it.
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Behaviorism posted...

Amd you can't agree to sleep with a guy for a good job, get the job and make millions, and then come back years later with a metoo.

Why not? That girl shouldn't have had to sleep with a man to have that opportunity. Especially if she could proceed to make millions.
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TC why do you seem to think all #metoo situations are rape?

Darmik posted...

Behaviorism posted...

Amd you can't agree to sleep with a guy for a good job, get the job and make millions, and then come back years later with a metoo.

Why not? That girl shouldn't have had to sleep with a man to have that opportunity. Especially if she could proceed to make millions.

You're right. She absolutely shouldn't. I agree 100% But if you agree to sleep with the guy and become rich and successful as a result, you don't really have a leg to stand on years later when you decide to condemn the guy. You gonna return the money you made?
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Darmik posted...

Behaviorism posted...

Amd you can't agree to sleep with a guy for a good job, get the job and make millions, and then come back years later with a metoo.

Why not? That girl shouldn't have had to sleep with a man to have that opportunity. Especially if she could proceed to make millions.

That seems morally tenuous on both parties since thats typically a consensual decision.
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Hoo boy
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Behaviorism posted...

You're right. She absolutely shouldn't. I agree 100% But if you agree to sleep with the guy and become rich and successful as a result, you don't really have a leg to stand on years later when you decide to condemn the guy. You gonna return the money you made?

As a result of what? If a woman proceeded to make millions from an opportunity doesn't that say that she was right for the position and it never should have been something that happened to begin with?

MrPeppers posted...

That seems morally tenuous on both parties since thats typically a consensual decision.

Not really. It's an abuse of power and it's manipulation. A man would not need to make that decision to be successful.
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Darmik posted...

Behaviorism posted...

You're right. She absolutely shouldn't. I agree 100% But if you agree to sleep with the guy and become rich and successful as a result, you don't really have a leg to stand on years later when you decide to condemn the guy. You gonna return the money you made?

As a result of what? If a woman proceeded to make millions from an opportunity doesn't that say that she was right for the position and it never should have been something that happened to begin with?

MrPeppers posted...

That seems morally tenuous on both parties since thats typically a consensual decision.

Not really. It's an abuse of power and it's manipulation. A man would not need to make that decision to be successful.

Oh, this is one of those "i will purposely be dense so we argue for 500 posts" type of thing. No, i'm going to bed.
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Hence the morally tenuous on both parties. I get that its a really hard place to be put in, but agreeing to it for secondary gain doesnt exactly paint clean conscience.

I cant stress enough how obviously scummy it is for any person in a position of power to create this type of scenario, though. Hopefully thats not handwaved away for convenience of argument.
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is it really? i've literally never seen it until now

I think it's naive to think that it's some clean cut scenario where the boss and the woman enter a consensual, beneficial agreement where both parties agree to sexual favours to give the woman an opportunity to make millions or whatever. Life isn't a porno.

We saw how it actually played out with the accusations made against guys like Harvey Weinstein. There's coercion, intimidation and outright abuses of power. These guys aren't rich or in control because they let their mistresses get rich off a single opportunity.
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Darmik posted...

Behaviorism posted...

Amd you can't agree to sleep with a guy for a good job, get the job and make millions, and then come back years later with a metoo.

Why not? That girl shouldn't have had to sleep with a man to have that opportunity. Especially if she could proceed to make millions.

Well it depends on whether or not she was actually qualified for the position
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Darmik posted...

I think it's naive to think that it's some clean cut scenario where the boss and the woman enter a consensual, beneficial agreement where both parties agree to sexual favours to give the woman an opportunity to make millions or whatever. Life isn't a porno.

We saw how it actually played out with the accusations made against guys like Harvey Weinstein. There's coercion, intimidation and outright abuses of power. These guys aren't rich or in control because they let their mistresses get rich off a single opportunity.

Fair enough, I rescind what I said.
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Ah yes, when someone is being sexually taken advantage of, they are just as much to blame. Naturally. Brilliant CE
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scar the 1 posted...

No, it isn't. #metoo starts and ends with just that - people saying that they, too, have been subjected to sexual harassment or abuse

Maybe in an ideal world free of the corrupting influence of social media. Sadly, this is not that world, and "movements" tend to evolve beyond their initial purpose. That happened here; your perception of #MeToo is no longer congruent with the reality of it.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

No, it isn't. #metoo starts and ends with just that - people saying that they, too, have been subjected to sexual harassment or abuse

Maybe in an ideal world free of the corrupting influence of social media. Sadly, this is not that world, and "movements" tend to evolve beyond their initial purpose. That happened here; your perception of #MeToo is no longer congruent with the reality of it.

Look no further than the OK sign.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

No, it isn't. #metoo starts and ends with just that - people saying that they, too, have been subjected to sexual harassment or abuse

Maybe in an ideal world free of the corrupting influence of social media. Sadly, this is not that world, and "movements" tend to evolve beyond their initial purpose. That happened here; your perception of #MeToo is no longer congruent with the reality of it.

No one who makes an accusation invokes the #metoo movement. You're conflating two different but related things that are happening at the same time. Allegations are being made because the #metoo movement drew focus to the issue.
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scar the 1 posted...

No one who makes an accusation invokes the #metoo movement.

This is just false, outright.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

No one who makes an accusation invokes the #metoo movement.

This is just false, outright.

Feel free to give an example then.
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scar the 1 posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

No one who makes an accusation invokes the #metoo movement.

This is just false, outright.

Feel free to give an example then.

Even children have been accused.

Nine-year-old New Yorker Jeremiah Harvey, who is Black, was falsely accused of groping and sexually assaulting Teresa Klein, a white woman, at a Brooklyn store.

Klein, later dubbed Cornerstone Caroline by social media, called police after she falsely accused young Jeremiah of assault cameras showed the child never touched Klein.

https://www.phillytrib.com/commentary/could-false-accusations-threaten-the-metoo-movement/article_6951dae9-f205-54c6-b95f-8fcde02648b6.html

Don't be a fucking clown there's plenty more where that came from.

This woman not only filed a false police report but accused a goddamn CHILD of assaulting her, proven FALSE by surveillance footage.
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