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MrToothHasYou
08/02/19 5:14:16 PM
#53:


Prestoff posted...
This, I mean the literal ACLU deemed Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol for crying out loud.

To be fair I dont see anyone using Pepe anymore except actual alt-right folks
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averagejoel
08/02/19 5:15:35 PM
#54:


NeoShadowhen posted...
averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
MrToothHasYou posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Are we all in agreement that the phrase by any means necessary is a call to violence?

In what sense has the phrase "any means" ever not included violence a potential means?


So would you agree that the use of such a phrase is inciting violence?

nazis and other fascists are the ones inciting violence. stopping them, no matter what method, is self defense


The expansion of the definition of self defense is perhaps even more disturbing than the shrinking of the definition of inciting violence.

I don't particularly care about either one. both are significantly less disturbing than the resurgence of fascism
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NeoShadowhen
08/02/19 5:19:52 PM
#55:


averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
MrToothHasYou posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Are we all in agreement that the phrase by any means necessary is a call to violence?

In what sense has the phrase "any means" ever not included violence a potential means?


So would you agree that the use of such a phrase is inciting violence?

nazis and other fascists are the ones inciting violence. stopping them, no matter what method, is self defense


The expansion of the definition of self defense is perhaps even more disturbing than the shrinking of the definition of inciting violence.

I don't particularly care about either one. both are significantly less disturbing than the resurgence of fascism


I see them as a path to it.
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hyperpsycho
08/02/19 5:25:35 PM
#56:


ThEy cAlL aNyONe a NaZi!

Please tell me when this happens.
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averagejoel
08/02/19 5:31:25 PM
#57:


NeoShadowhen posted...
averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
MrToothHasYou posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Are we all in agreement that the phrase by any means necessary is a call to violence?

In what sense has the phrase "any means" ever not included violence a potential means?


So would you agree that the use of such a phrase is inciting violence?

nazis and other fascists are the ones inciting violence. stopping them, no matter what method, is self defense


The expansion of the definition of self defense is perhaps even more disturbing than the shrinking of the definition of inciting violence.

I don't particularly care about either one. both are significantly less disturbing than the resurgence of fascism


I see them as a path to it.

then allow me to set your mind at ease: stopping fascists is not the path to fascism.
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NeoShadowhen
08/02/19 5:46:53 PM
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then allow me to set your mind at ease: stopping fascists is not the path to fascism.


I think youre missing the point and resorting to being simply patronizing. Im saying that making it easier to commit violence against others is not a winning strategy in the long run if the goal is to end authoritarianism.
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averagejoel
08/02/19 6:47:35 PM
#59:


NeoShadowhen posted...

then allow me to set your mind at ease: stopping fascists is not the path to fascism.


I think youre missing the point and resorting to being simply patronizing. Im saying that making it easier to commit violence against others is not a winning strategy in the long run if the goal is to end authoritarianism.

it's plenty easy for people to commit violence against others already. this is the logic behind targeted people fighting back against that violence.
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muchdran
08/02/19 6:57:30 PM
#60:


averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
MrToothHasYou posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Are we all in agreement that the phrase by any means necessary is a call to violence?

In what sense has the phrase "any means" ever not included violence a potential means?


So would you agree that the use of such a phrase is inciting violence?

nazis and other fascists are the ones inciting violence. stopping them, no matter what method, is self defense

We need stop antifa, that's self defense.
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averagejoel
08/02/19 7:04:30 PM
#61:


muchdran posted...
averagejoel posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
MrToothHasYou posted...
NeoShadowhen posted...
Are we all in agreement that the phrase by any means necessary is a call to violence?

In what sense has the phrase "any means" ever not included violence a potential means?


So would you agree that the use of such a phrase is inciting violence?

nazis and other fascists are the ones inciting violence. stopping them, no matter what method, is self defense

We need stop antifa, that's self defense.

why do you want to stop them from defending themselves?
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BobanMarjanovic
08/02/19 7:10:41 PM
#62:


Are there even any Nazis on platforms right now?
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averagejoel
08/02/19 7:19:15 PM
#64:


BobanMarjanovic posted...
Are there even any Nazis on platforms right now?

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer
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BobanMarjanovic
08/02/19 7:21:06 PM
#65:


averagejoel posted...
BobanMarjanovic posted...
Are there even any Nazis on platforms right now?

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer


Damn I forgot about that guy. That's the only one I can think of but I thought he was gone.
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averagejoel
08/02/19 7:40:23 PM
#66:


BobanMarjanovic posted...
averagejoel posted...
BobanMarjanovic posted...
Are there even any Nazis on platforms right now?

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer


Damn I forgot about that guy. That's the only one I can think of but I thought he was gone.

David Duke still has a bunch of social media too.

there are also a bunch of people popular in the US who largely try to brand themselves as regular conservatives but who are, politically, pretty damn close to fascists:
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/765735206514991104

then of course outside the US you have this guy, the prime minister of Israel:
https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1034849460344573952

you also have Brazil's Bolsonaro and Venezuela's Guaido. and Le Pen in France. and Trump himself.
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Mecha Sonic
08/02/19 8:49:47 PM
#69:


deplatforming is essential
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Roxborough4Ever
08/02/19 8:51:41 PM
#70:


this is exactly like the times i tried to equate obamas love for roast beef and random people not liking roast beef sandwiches...............its finally come full circle...BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
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rockabilly_man
08/02/19 8:59:11 PM
#71:


Rofl at the keyboard warriors in here
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Blue_Dream87
08/02/19 9:03:19 PM
#72:


Deplatforming seems to be the best way, but when you got media like Facebook and YouTube letting them run around radicalizing people because money, it's a tough fight.

And yes, I do believe violence against fascists/Nazis is totally fine. It's unfortunately bad optics and the alt-right is good at capitalizing on that.

They have no place in society. They're a virus that needs to be quarantined.
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TheMikh
08/02/19 9:07:33 PM
#73:


If there's a lesson to be taken from the Nasser-Qutb saga, it's that driving dissidents underground and brutally subjugating them may not be the optimal solution.
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Cemith
08/02/19 9:43:05 PM
#74:


Thanatophobic posted...
Want to know a good way to stop a toddler throwing a temper tantrum?

Ignore them.

You see this is the issue,

This works, if people just fucked off and didn't give them the time of day, they'd leave.

But.

Some human somewhere won't keep it together, so it doesn't work.
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SapphireTech462
08/02/19 9:46:33 PM
#75:


CarrieChan posted...
Deplatform the far left extremists too!


Moderates inherit the Earth!
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AlisLandale
08/02/19 9:51:59 PM
#76:


Prestoff posted...
nemu posted...
Who gets to define who is a nazi or fascist? I don't really trust the definition to hold, what with all the non-nazis that have been called nazis over the last few years.


This, I mean the literal ACLU deemed Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol for crying out loud.

If you mean literal nazi's (like Richard Spencer) than sure, but even I admit that the word racist and nazi is being thrown around like crazy to the point where the word will start losing their meaning.


As silly as the Pepe thing was, its use as a hate symbol was widespread enough that the original creator of the character killed him off.
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MrMallard
08/02/19 9:55:44 PM
#77:


AlisLandale posted...
Prestoff posted...
nemu posted...
Who gets to define who is a nazi or fascist? I don't really trust the definition to hold, what with all the non-nazis that have been called nazis over the last few years.


This, I mean the literal ACLU deemed Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol for crying out loud.

If you mean literal nazi's (like Richard Spencer) than sure, but even I admit that the word racist and nazi is being thrown around like crazy to the point where the word will start losing their meaning.


As silly as the Pepe thing was, its use as a hate symbol was widespread enough that the original creator of the character killed him off.

The dude is suing far-right publications for using Pepe in unapproved ways now. He's trying to reclaim his creation.
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Solar_Crimson
08/02/19 10:19:56 PM
#78:


Thanatophobic posted...
Want to know a good way to stop a toddler throwing a temper tantrum?

Ignore them.

How do you stop a cancer that's spreading? Ignore it.
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hyperpsycho
08/02/19 10:39:07 PM
#79:


TheMikh posted...
If there's a lesson to be taken from the Nasser-Qutb saga, it's that driving dissidents underground and brutally subjugating them may not be the optimal solution.

But we're not talking about the government stepping in. We're talking about discouraging places like college campuses and public venues from giving fascists a platform.
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evil_zombie11
08/02/19 10:44:12 PM
#80:


ALL fascists are garbage. Nazis and old era Russian communists alike.
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Muten_Jiren
08/03/19 1:14:38 AM
#81:


Cemith posted...
Thanatophobic posted...
Want to know a good way to stop a toddler throwing a temper tantrum?

Ignore them.

You see this is the issue,

This works, if people just fucked off and didn't give them the time of day, they'd leave.

But.

Some human somewhere won't keep it together, so it doesn't work.

This pathitcally ignorant sentiment is pure nazi enablement. You are paving the path for continued horror by playing this middle of the road trash game you've invested in
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TheMikh
08/03/19 1:15:49 AM
#82:


Prestoff posted...
nemu posted...
Who gets to define who is a nazi or fascist? I don't really trust the definition to hold, what with all the non-nazis that have been called nazis over the last few years.


This, I mean the literal ACLU deemed Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol for crying out loud.

If you mean literal nazi's (like Richard Spencer) than sure, but even I admit that the word racist and nazi is being thrown around like crazy to the point where the word will start losing their meaning.

You're thinking of the SPLC. The ACLU defends free speech, even of hate groups.
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TheMikh
08/03/19 1:20:52 AM
#83:


hyperpsycho posted...
TheMikh posted...
If there's a lesson to be taken from the Nasser-Qutb saga, it's that driving dissidents underground and brutally subjugating them may not be the optimal solution.

But we're not talking about the government stepping in. We're talking about discouraging places like college campuses and public venues from giving fascists a platform.

State intervention aside, institutions should be free to decide who they do or don't want and explicitly state as much, and their patrons should be free to decide whether or not to attend or support the institution. The alternative is glorified mob rule, and the road it leads to is not pretty.
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averagejoel
08/03/19 1:22:17 AM
#84:


TheMikh posted...
hyperpsycho posted...
TheMikh posted...
If there's a lesson to be taken from the Nasser-Qutb saga, it's that driving dissidents underground and brutally subjugating them may not be the optimal solution.

But we're not talking about the government stepping in. We're talking about discouraging places like college campuses and public venues from giving fascists a platform.

State intervention aside, institutions should be free to decide who they do or don't want and explicitly state as much, and their patrons should be free to decide whether or not to attend or support the institution. The alternative is glorified mob rule, and the road it leads to is not pretty.

and they should be held accountable if they give a platform to a nazi
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coh
08/03/19 1:23:31 AM
#85:


Deplatform commies as well.
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shnangyboos
08/03/19 1:38:29 AM
#86:


I think we've seen enough to know that anyone who talks about deplatforming has become rabid as fuck and will slap whatever label on whoever when it benefits them.

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BewmHedshot
08/03/19 1:39:01 AM
#87:


Fuck Nazis, indeed.
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averagejoel
08/03/19 1:43:08 AM
#88:


shnangyboos posted...
I think we've seen enough to know that anyone who talks about deplatforming has become rabid as fuck and will slap whatever label on whoever when it benefits them.

[citation needed]
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shnangyboos
08/03/19 1:45:12 AM
#89:


averagejoel posted...
[citation needed]


Seriously, does anyone really want someone like this guy determining who gets a platform? Anyone?

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Muten_Jiren
08/03/19 1:49:07 AM
#90:


shnangyboos posted...
I think we've seen enough to know that anyone who talks about deplatforming has become rabid as fuck and will slap whatever label on whoever when it benefits them.

But there hasn't been any evidence that nazis thrive under a turned cheek, nope none
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ColZach
08/03/19 2:32:08 AM
#91:


Nazis should be deplatformed.

That being said theres some dumbass leftists in here claiming that certain people are nazis when they are not.
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F1areaGaman
08/03/19 2:36:25 AM
#92:


Deplatform any extremist that wants to limit the rights of certain peoples. This usually applies to the extreme on both ends.
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Blue_Dream87
08/03/19 3:18:46 AM
#93:


I love how people feel the need to deflect to the side that isn't murdering people or pushing prejudice (besides maybe classism, but honestly, fuck the rich
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DevsBro
08/03/19 9:58:45 AM
#94:


Blue_Dream87 posted...
I love how people feel the need to deflect to the side that isn't murdering people or pushing prejudice (besides maybe classism, but honestly, fuck the rich

Via abortion, more than 40 million people have been murdered since 1970.
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NeverOffended
08/03/19 10:02:34 AM
#95:


ColZach posted...
Nazis should be deplatformed.

That being said theres some dumbass leftists in here claiming that certain people are nazis when they are not.
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averagejoel
08/03/19 10:03:14 AM
#96:


shnangyboos posted...
averagejoel posted...
[citation needed]


Seriously, does anyone really want someone like this guy determining who gets a platform? Anyone?

that's not a citation
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DezDroppedFreak
08/03/19 10:09:41 AM
#97:


DevsBro posted...
Via abortion, more than 40 million people have been murdered since 1970.
Thats not murder.

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hyperpsycho
08/03/19 10:11:44 AM
#98:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
DevsBro posted...
Via abortion, more than 40 million people have been murdered since 1970.
Thats not murder.

I got an academic article that disagrees with you bub:
https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=1009
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RuffledPeanuts
08/03/19 10:25:36 AM
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hyperpsycho
08/03/19 10:27:21 AM
#103:


Hairistotle posted...
Why do religious people always try to make people bend over for their views

Wow why are you persecuting them? What about their religious freedom? /s
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