Current Events > Concerned parents uses experience with her children to show how alt right target

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Specifically white teenagers, which would explain the rise in white teenage racism this past half decade or so

https://twitter.com/iproposethis/status/1161130456286289920?s=09

Hopefully this wont get modded, but at this point, I wouldnt be surprised

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I saw this earlier, seems kind of like a stretch to me but maybe not.
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She's basically calling all white CEmen racist.
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The kind of people she's saying lead kids down this path in those 3rd and 4th tweets do exactly the thing the TC does.

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So basically, parents should do their job? Who knew...
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The Admiral posted...

The kind of people she's saying lead kids down this path in those 3rd and 4th tweets do exactly the thing the TC does.

"calling out racism only enables future potential racists"

...ok

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FrisbeeDude posted...

"calling out racism only enables future potential racists"

...ok

You don't call it out, you post it yourself regularly. Only you think it's okay if it's directed at white people. Hence your numerous recent suspensions.

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I mean they do. They use memes and jokes to normalize bigotry and racism. Its pretty obvious. That way they have a shield to hide behind (its just a meme/prank bro!) because theyre too bitch to man up to it...unfortunately a lot of kids and teens get caught in it on certain websites.

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The Admiral posted...

Hence your numerous recent suspensions.

*Looks at username*

snrk
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The Admiral posted...

You don't call it out, you post it yourself regularly. Only you think it's okay if it's directed at white people. Hence your numerous recent suspensions.

I'm sorry discussion regarding anti-black racism, which tends to be perpetrated by white people, lead you to such a warped conclusion

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This reminds me of that Charlie Day scene where hes using yarn to connect a bunch of loosely associated things that create this clearly well intentioned but ultimately misguided narrative.
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MrPeppers posted...

This reminds me of that Charlie Day scene where hes using yarn to connect a bunch of loosely associated things that create this clearly well intentioned but ultimately misguided narrative.

pepe silvia

pepe the frog

shocked pikachu face
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Balrog0 posted...

MrPeppers posted...

This reminds me of that Charlie Day scene where hes using yarn to connect a bunch of loosely associated things that create this clearly well intentioned but ultimately misguided narrative.

pepe sivlia

pepe the frog

shocked pikachu face

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MrPeppers posted...

This reminds me of that Charlie Day scene where hes using yarn to connect a bunch of loosely associated things that create this clearly well intentioned but ultimately misguided narrative.

The Donald
8 chan
Gab
Stormfront
YouTube

Hell, you can even use CE as an example. To deny the links between online recruiters and teenage white supremacists, you dont want to see them.

It's funny, for the 90s and most of the 2000s, the common anti-black stereotype was that too many black kids were influenced by gangster rap and basketball players and that led to decline of the black community. Somehow though, the constant evidence of white supremacists starting out on online hate forums as kids is routinely ignored.

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hang out on 4chan for a little while and you can see it happening.

i've run into people who have absorbed the language without knowing it.
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She's right. That's how White supremacists actually are recruiting young people these days.

The Admiral posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

"calling out racism only enables future potential racists"

...ok

You don't call it out, you post it yourself regularly. Only you think it's okay if it's directed at white people. Hence your numerous recent suspensions.

Yeah, you're both guilty of what you're accusing him of doing, and also guilty of your many suspensions for similar reasons.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

MrPeppers posted...

This reminds me of that Charlie Day scene where hes using yarn to connect a bunch of loosely associated things that create this clearly well intentioned but ultimately misguided narrative.

The Donald
8 chan
Stormfront
YouTube

Hell, you can even use CE as an example. To deny the links between online recruiters and teenage white supremacists, you dont want to see them.

It's funny, for the 90s and most of the 2000s, the common anti-black stereotype was that too many black kids were influenced by gangster rap and basketball players and that led to decline of the black community. Somehow though, the constant evidence of white supremacists starting out on online hate forums as kids is routinely ignored.

The problem is that most of this is speculation unless you wanna actually point to some well documented body of research. While I fully agree that there are platforms that allow the propagation of white supremacist rhetoric, some for nefarious purposes and some as an unintended byproduct of public usage, its incredibly difficult to prove specifically what is the major contributor, what is the minor contributor, and what fails to contribute in any meaningful way. Im not completely disagreeing with you, just your tendency to be the grumpy old man complaining without any true understanding of the mechanisms at play or desire to figure it out beyond the superficial pointing of your finger.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

She's right. That's how White supremacists actually are recruiting young people these days.

Yeah, you're both guilty of what you're accusing him of doing, and also guilty of your many suspensions for similar reasons.

I'd explain the differences in suspensions (I was literally suspended for inquiring about the racial makeup of the staff).

It seems that white people are the only group that cannot be discussed in general terms here


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So let's get this straight.

-Video games don't make people violent
-Memes make people white supremacists
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

She's right. That's how White supremacists actually are recruiting young people these days.

Yeah, you're both guilty of what you're accusing him of doing, and also guilty of your many suspensions for similar reasons.

I'd explain the differences in suspensions (I was literally suspended for inquiring about the racial makeup of the staff).

It seems that white people are the only group that cannot be discussed in general terms here

A. People are intelligent enough to understand subtext and the intent behind your racially motivated posts

B. People have said some heinous shit about people of color on these boards, some very swiftly moderated and others have taken a while to be cleaned up. You have a very nasty posting (and Im assuming moderation) history so you are very appropriately dealt with swiftly and without remorse
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The Admiral posted...

You don't call it out, you post it yourself regularly. Only you think it's okay if it's directed at white people. Hence your numerous recent suspensions.

Remember when you posted that you have never gotten suspended and then got suspended later that day?

Good times.

The good times ended around the same time your suspension did.

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I wonder how often young white boys are called out for being a "privilege white male". I've encountered kids on this very site who felt ashamed to feel any negative emotions regarding their life because being "privileged" means they have no right to complain about anything in life.

If you keep vilifying someone, they'll gravitate to somewhere they'll find acceptance.
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Whether you think its a big issue or a symptom of another issue is one thing...to deny that white supremacists on 4 Chan or the Donald or wherever arent using memes as cover for their racism and getting others who may be vulnerable to play along is just burying your head in the sand. Its not always just trolls and even then the line between troll and real person is blurring because of these people. Everyone wants to blame SJWs all the time, but maybe also blame the racists who are repurposing these memes for their own bull shit under the guise of a joke.

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I mean, the thing that seems conspiratorial to me is the idea that this process is intentionally crafted as a recruitment strategy for white supremacist/white supremacist organizations. The memes you see on places like 4chan or the donald aren't subtly racist at all in my experience, they're openly bigoted. But the process that this person is describing only works if the boys partaking in these memes perceive them as being socially acceptable and find out in embarrassing or shameful ways that they aren't. I'd argue the opposite, they like them because they aren't socially acceptable.

I actually do believe that white supremacists and white supremacy organizations drag these kind of forums for recruits and use them as part of a recruitment strategy; I mean at the end of that thread that person links to the research that shows YouTube radicalized Brazil. But that's an example of a very unintentional rise in extremism, not a particularly tailored or crafted message. The example they use is a dude who does guitar tutorials and bitches about feminists, how is that an example of tricking someone into being alt-right

I just think this particular explanation of how it works is a bit of a stretch like I said. It seems easier to just say that white teenagers are drawn to right wing extremism because they're stupid, don't know or care to know minorities (something they probably pick up from their parents) and lack any other outlets for racial solidarity than to argue they're innocent and not totally going down the rabbit hole of their own accord. I guess that's where she lost me.

but like I said Im not an expert on these issues I could be wrong
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MrPeppers posted...

A. People are intelligent enough to understand subtext and the intent behind your racially motivated posts

B. People have said some heinous shit about people of color on these boards, some very swiftly moderated and others have taken a while to be cleaned up. You have a very nasty posting (and Im assuming moderation) history so you are very appropriately dealt with swiftly and without remorse

whatever you say, kid


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Good piece from a couple years back reporting how the folks behind the Daily Stormer explicitly instructed writers to couch their racism in irony and humor

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a2ece19e4b0ce3b344492f2
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She's right. You are not immune to propaganda.

Antifar posted...

Good piece from a couple years back reporting how the folks behind the Daily Stormer explicitly instructed writers to couch their racism in irony and humor

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a2ece19e4b0ce3b344492f2

irony / humor is how a lot of pedophiles identify each other as well.

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the twitter link in the OP way overcomplicates things. imo the equation is:

subversive shit + social isolation = radicalization

teenage boys look for subversive/edgy shit online because that is what is appealing to teenage boys. racist/sexist/anti-gay/etc shit is appealing because it's offensive & they know it, maybe it's funny, maybe it touches on a generalization that has a sliver of truth to it, etc.

then they have nobody in their real life to keep them in check, nobody to challenge this shit, nobody who will kick their ass, etc. online socialization isnt real socialization & doesnt count, usually it just makes this shit worse.

the obvious solution isnt to do what the chick in the OP says and try and compete with /pol/ holocaust denial memes by showing the kids progressive female comedians & trying to have them debate white supremacy. the actual solution is to actually just parent your kids, smack them in the head when you find out they are watching some inbred mouthbreather in a truck talk about white genocide on youtube, take away their computer & xbox for 6 months, force them to go outside and try out for sports and actually socialize with real people so they can become a well adjusted adults etc.

honestly i feel like the world has gone kind of crazy, this whole twitter thread reeks of self-importance

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Sad_Face posted...

I wonder how often young white boys are called out for being a "privilege white male". I've encountered kids on this very site who felt ashamed to feel any negative emotions regarding their life because being "privileged" means they have no right to complain about anything in life.

If you keep vilifying someone, they'll gravitate to somewhere they'll find acceptance.

This is a bs excuse for virulent white supremacy. By this same logic, most black, Hispanic, and Asian people should have been expected to become supremacists and no one could call them out for it.

Willfully misunderstanding a term isn't an excuse to want a white ethnostate, no matter what. I used to hear this term personal responsibility used as a weapon, whatever happened to that?
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The Admiral posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

"calling out racism only enables future potential racists"

...ok

You don't call it out, you post it yourself regularly. Only you think it's okay if it's directed at white people. Hence your numerous recent suspensions.

Where have been lately, Admiral? I haven't seen you in several weeks. Did you take a vacation from the board or something?
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LMFAO admiral actually calling out another user for having multiple suspensions might just be the best thing
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FrisbeeDude posted...

MrPeppers posted...

A. People are intelligent enough to understand subtext and the intent behind your racially motivated posts

B. People have said some heinous shit about people of color on these boards, some very swiftly moderated and others have taken a while to be cleaned up. You have a very nasty posting (and Im assuming moderation) history so you are very appropriately dealt with swiftly and without remorse

whatever you say, kid

Cheers, friend. Seriously hope there arent hard feelings.
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Balrog0 posted...

I mean, the thing that seems conspiratorial to me is the idea that this process is intentionally crafted as a recruitment strategy for white supremacist/white supremacist organizations. The memes you see on places like 4chan or the donald aren't subtly racist at all in my experience, they're openly bigoted. But the process that this person is describing only works if the boys partaking in these memes perceive them as being socially acceptable and find out in embarrassing or shameful ways that they aren't. I'd argue the opposite, they like them because they aren't socially acceptable.

I actually do believe that white supremacists and white supremacy organizations drag these kind of forums for recruits and use them as part of a recruitment strategy; I mean at the end of that thread that person links to the research that shows YouTube radicalized Brazil. But that's an example of a very unintentional rise in extremism, not a particularly tailored or crafted message. The example they use is a dude who does guitar tutorials and bitches about feminists, how is that an example of tricking someone into being alt-right

I just think this particular explanation of how it works is a bit of a stretch like I said. It seems easier to just say that white teenagers are drawn to right wing extremism because they're stupid, don't know or care to know minorities (something they probably pick up from their parents) and lack any other outlets for racial solidarity than to argue they're innocent and not totally going down the rabbit hole of their own accord. I guess that's where she lost me.

but like I said Im not an expert on these issues I could be wrong

I'd go a step further: teenagers (of ALL KINDS) are drawn to counter-culture. Right now the left overwhelmingly dominates the culture war, so teens gravitate to taboo subjects. Teens going goth/punk in the 90s was a counter-culture push LEFT against an at-the-time dominant right culture of authority and "good christian morals". Every kid across every race has their own rebellious phase and they're going to gravitate towards whatever is opposite of their parents.

What she said that IS right, and that I'm willing to bet 99% of people who agree with her will ignore, is that if the cause is shaming someone until they find an outlet, then the cure is empathy and engagement. To take these kids and not try to publicly shame or humiliate them in a combative way, but expose them to other viewpoints in a positive, collaborative way and let them come to their own conclusions without feeling like a spotlight is on them.

But I'd bet good money the takeaway people will get from this is "the right is trying to indoctrinate our children!" and not "this is a monster of our own making".
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Normalizing abhorrent behavior is the first step toward accepting it. Memes are without a doubt the best way to do that these days.

You check these memes and start finding them funny. You start participating. Someone takes it seriously and criticize you for it despite it being a joke to you because it is basically impossible to differentiate jokes/trolling from serious behavior these days.

You're attacked now. It is obviously human nature to defend yourself. You do it by posting an even more insensitive meme because it's their own fault for being too sensitive and being unable to take a joke. You get attacked even more but some people start defending you, people who "get it".

It happens more and more often. You go on websites where you feel more welcomed, where people don't attack you. You see the memes being taken farther and farther but you're ok with it because you understand free speech, you're not a SJW snowflake and it's not serious anyway.

You get your information and discuss it there. Some things you're hearing start to make sense. Maybe it always remains a joke to you, maybe you radicalize.

Memes don't make someone alt-right. Memes cause a reaction and what that reaction is and how you deal with it might. The alt-right never hid that their primary motivation is that they feel threatened whether it's by the "invasion of non-whites" or being called mean names online. Yes, I do feel the whole "you called me a Nazi so I'll become a Nazi" thing is silly but people always take a side when something becomes important to them and most will go to the side being sympathetic to them rather than the one being antagonistic.

Frankly? I blame the obsession with duality. If you're not X then you're Y, if you're not on MY side then you're on the OTHER side. The American politic system makes it unavoidable. You want power then you have to define yourself as a democrat or a republican. Politics are a complex subject with an incredible variety of topics. Yet, it's been dumbed down to left or right. You end up believing that two people with very different views are the same because they both voted for the same party. Every member of that other party therefore has to share the worst opinions of the worst members. But for your party? Well, obviously you're in it and you're a pretty reasonable guy so you can assume most of their opinions to be close to yours.

TL;DR: People take a side when they feel attacked, basically only two sides exist in the US, both sides define themselves by being the opposite of the other and drift further apart, by thinking your side is all great while the other is all terrible you MIGHT end up radicalizing.

Internet is full of racist memes from the right and white shaming from the left.

But shaming is a good thing and a prerequisite to having a person check their privilege. A person simply saying that they acknowledge the privilege they possess isnt enough. They need to feel shame when thinking of their own privilege. Only then can one truly claim that theyve had their privilege checked.

Thats how were gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.
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Romulox28 posted...

the twitter link in the OP way overcomplicates things. imo the equation is:

subversive shit + social isolation = radicalization

teenage boys look for subversive/edgy shit online because that is what is appealing to teenage boys. racist/sexist/anti-gay/etc shit is appealing because it's offensive & they know it, maybe it's funny, maybe it touches on a generalization that has a sliver of truth to it, etc.

then they have nobody in their real life to keep them in check, nobody to challenge this shit, nobody who will kick their ass, etc. online socialization isnt real socialization & doesnt count, usually it just makes this shit worse.

the obvious solution isnt to do what the chick in the OP says and try and compete with /pol/ holocaust denial memes by showing the kids progressive female comedians & trying to have them debate white supremacy. the actual solution is to actually just parent your kids, smack them in the head when you find out they are watching some inbred mouthbreather in a truck talk about white genocide on youtube, take away their computer & xbox for 6 months, force them to go outside and try out for sports and actually socialize with real people so they can become a well adjusted adults etc.

honestly i feel like the world has gone kind of crazy, this whole twitter thread reeks of self-importance

...it ain't black and brown kids committing domestic terrorism after browsing forums and playing fortnite. This radicalization seems to be targeted at specifically white teenagers for a reason


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FrisbeeDude posted...

...it ain't black and brown kids committing domestic terrorism after browsing forums and playing fortnite. This radicalization seems to be targeted at specifically white teenagers for a reason

Has.... has Frisbee been a Poe this whole time? Did he just tip his hand?
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

So basically, parents should do their job? Who knew...

pretty much. i have a 12 year old and ya you have to lay shit out for them; whats cool/ not cool, but more importantly is why. making a good person takes effort for sure.

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Right after hearing someone call my niece a stupid racial slur here I immediately disabled the voice chat on that game. Any game with an online community is just full of that shit and has been since online gaminggot big around the early 2000s
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It's not that unbelievable if you actually see this shit in action. I had a friend fall down the alt-right sink hole, and it basically was:

1. Haha these extremist SJWs and extremist feminists are ridiculous. This chick wants to castrate all men, holy shit lol.
2. Hey check out these offensive edgy memes.
3. Hey, check out these youtubers who totally meme on SJWs, lol
4. Hey, these youtubers are making a lot of sense when it comes to anti-feminism/anti-transgenderism/immigrants
5. Hey these alt-righters make some good points about White Nationalism and how important it was in America's progression to a world power.

Took about a year. I don't know why anyone would think that's ridiculous, these kind of progressions are natural in any propaganda effort, and the actors involved don't even need to be cognizant of the fact that they are part of a chain of radicalization for it to be effective (Especially in this digital age of media). Places like Youtube literally will spoon feed the content to people who are susceptible to it, not because they have a political agenda, but because that is just how the algorithm works--If you liked a meme video, it will try to give you other videos like it. 5 of those videos might be other meme videos, and the 6th might be a slightly alt-right video. If you watch and like that, your next 6 video recommendations might be lite-right and one white supremacist video.

If this kind of system WASN'T producing ideological pipelines I'd actually he shocked. The problem is how effective the alt-right pipeline is because:

1. Youtube is a platform primarily viewed by kids and teenagers
2. Kids are extremely susceptible to manipulative or shallow arguments.
3. Kids are always testing their boundaries and thus drawn to controversial humor and ideas.

Dump a bunch of alt-right talking heads who are very self-assured and controversial and BOOM! Alt-right membership goes up.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

She's right. That's how White supremacists actually are recruiting young people these days.

Yeah, you're both guilty of what you're accusing him of doing, and also guilty of your many suspensions for similar reasons.

I'd explain the differences in suspensions (I was literally suspended for inquiring about the racial makeup of the staff).

It seems that white people are the only group that cannot be discussed in general terms here

This is certainly a dishonest and/or delusional post
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FrisbeeDude posted...

...it ain't black and brown kids committing domestic terrorism after browsing forums and playing fortnite. This radicalization seems to be targeted at specifically white teenagers for a reason

We have our own problems. Don't try to act like we're innocent in all this.
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The hell? Innocent in all this? What? You think because of their interactions with minorities that's to blame for their racist views coming to fruition after being exposed to this kind of thing by youtubers?
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>watch Trevor Noah
>explain what makes it funny

Yeah if anyone can do that I'm all ears. :P

But more seriously, she's right. It's very obvious that memes are being used a vehicle of propaganda in the modern age.
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Could be reasonable points worthy of discussion

I'll never know because the platform is Twitter
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tremain07 posted...

The hell? Innocent in all this? What? You think because of their interactions with minorities that's to blame for their racist views coming to fruition after being exposed to this kind of thing by youtubers?

No.

I am calling him out for painting white teens as mass shooters in the making when we have our own gun violence problems.
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