Board 8 > Yu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic

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Lopen posted...

It was. You were being obstinate about mass claim instead of just accepting that half the town wasn't down with it and playing out the day. It felt more like you were just trying to control town than actually find the scum. And I think that's exactly what it was too. Get your power fantasy jollies somewhere else, dude.

Lol. You literally mislynched obvious town because you refused to connect dots and instead felt cuz you were alive I had to be scum. Worst shit ever. It is telling that you had only one other person who was town actually follow you onto that lynch. I was so obviously town that it was insane. You don't know mafia 101 or basic setups.

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Anyway you don't have to worry about me being negative for some time. That game broke me and I'm going to need some time to recover.

I just can't take both Ben and Corrik being town. That was too much for me. Like I could have taken one or the other but yeah. I really have no interest in playing games where not only do you have outright inactives anchoring but also hotshot "playmakers" anchoring. It's just not fun. The game should be about finding scum not avoiding mislynching town who play like scum.
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Corrik was obvious town the moment he tried to counterclaim chris. Chris was clearly trying to make a claim designed to make him live longer and corrik helped put down the claim.
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and no, mass claim was a horrible idea but it was also in line with corriks town beliefs.
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red13n posted...

Corrik was obvious town the moment he tried to counterclaim chris

I'd agree if he actually stuck to his guns rather than just half assing it.
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red13n posted...

and no, mass claim was a horrible idea but it was also in line with corriks town beliefs.

Not saying mass claim made him scummy alone but like, the way he wouldn't take no as an answer was

And like, maybe if I play enough games with Corrik I realize that him trying to roll through town even when a bunch of players he thinks are town disagree with him makes him obvtown but like, maybe he could just not do that instead. Because it's as anti town as he was saying you were by not claiming when you were literal scum
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It is fire bolt that causes like 90% of the negativity. I realize b8 is desperate for replaces but I would try to avoid using him if possible, being completely blunt about it.
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Lopen posted...

red13n posted...

and no, mass claim was a horrible idea but it was also in line with corriks town beliefs.

Not saying mass claim made him scummy alone but like, the way he wouldn't take no as an answer was

And like, maybe if I play enough games with Corrik I realize that him trying to roll through town even when a bunch of players he thinks are town disagree with him makes him obvtown but like, maybe he could just not do that instead. Because it's as anti town as he was saying you were by not claiming when you were literal scum

I said this to Corrik in dead town chat. You two both played good games before day 5. You both had some really insightful posts. If the two of you could learn to communicate to each other better, you'd be an incredibly strong town pairing. Think of how you and Tom did the gut/logic thing and figured out what each other were saying. Corrik read you as town. But that's not the same thing I'm talking about. I don't think either of you can get in the mind space of the other.

Lopen posted...

I'd agree if he actually stuck to his guns rather than just half assing it.

You can just say, hey, I was wrong. Like, I read your stuff which came off like nonsense, and I was able to parse even though you broke your own town logic multiple times this game that you actually were still town. Because I actually re-read the game and analyzed interactions. You just got it in your head you were right and tuned everything out.

Yeah, I am "dumb" town yet you literally had fire_bolt screaming "hello, you mislynched him for the same exact reasoning last game. SAME EXACT REASONING." I mean, you guys gotta learn to adapt at some point. Like, I will leave this game and expand that HB doesn't have to play bad as scum and FD will breadcrumb as scum. I will adapt my reads for the future to account for where I failed. Just like I will add that Ben could do a nonsense scan on scare for no reason (the mason thing was definitely in his town play already). As, I will add that you will break your town logic when convenient, so you playing out of ordinary doesn't make you scum.

You aren't adapting. You weren't even trying day 5! You had Lea and Scare as scum day 4. Came out I was scum day 5 because you were still alive! It's astronomical! You know literally nothing about my scum play, and it is obvious!

You literally took control of town (talk about hot shots) and decided who to lynch because you decided you were only alive because you were wrong and flipped randomly. Then decided to outright troll to the point that I didn't even care if I was lynched anymore just to shut up your nonsense you were trolling with.

This is what led to the hostility that day. You wouldn't even go back and read!

Your HB thing that I faked. Exactly as I said as town. Makes sense, if you don't alrdy have your head on that I am scum. Your "insanity trap". Yeah, as you give me more information my reads will evolve with it. As will when you came at me for bs reasons day 5, I got paranoid you were scum. Then I re-read day 3 and declared you were just insane town.

I actually put effort and used the game to try my best to read. You just got an idea in your head and fucking went with it lol. I mean, day 5 you were literally trolling the game! After you talked shit with me on plum and them for just antagonizing me on my mislynch instead of using the day to make sure it made sense or who else was scum!

Fire_Bolt was basically confirmed town and shouting I am town. And, you couldn't even consider it.

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Lopen posted...

I'd agree if he actually stuck to his guns rather than just half assing it.

I was literally trying to adapt my play from the past game by not butting heads and assuming the other person was scum for not agreeing with me and see where they went. Chris faking BP didn't make him scum. However, it was hella adding up over time all the stuff making him scum. Day 1's lynch, him faking BP, his praising gravy for a post that he would have laughed off as wrong as town, etc. His shit was adding up hard.

I literally stated this outright when I agreed to help him because Chris was either suiciding into Sultan or feeding us a correct lynch as town or scum.

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All this talk about adapting and how you adapt your reads why not adapt your bad play as well as your reads

If town think you are protection fishing two games in a row maybe that's actually anti-town behavior and not like good play. Like if you're playing like scum I'm not giving you a pass because "oh well that Corrik is being cute again" because you can do that as scum too.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Personally I don't think any town player this game who voted me on day 1 gets to lecture anyone about anything. I don't remotely care I got lynched, but let it take 48 hours so town can get actual information from it. That was so bad.

Chris prodding the hammer without even trying to let you claim was pretty telling. He definitely doesn't do that as town.

Ben hammering randomly without asking you to claim at all had me shook and why I was sure he was scum later on (that and his fake scan on scare to try and save chris).

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Personally I don't think any town player this game who voted me on day 1 gets to lecture anyone about anything.

Well I wasn't on you so I'll keep lecturing thanks
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Lopen posted...

All this talk about adapting and how you adapt your reads why not adapt your bad play as well as your reads

If town think you are protection fishing two games in a row maybe that's actually anti-town behavior and not like good play. Like if you're playing like scum I'm not giving you a pass because "oh well that Corrik is being cute again" because you can do that as scum too.

It's not protection fishing to ask for a mass claim.

You can analyze the setup and have a relatively good idea what is left. There couldn't be 2 protection left because I was one. If the protection mattered, it is not hard to claim vanilla. If everyone claimed vanilla, you knew I was 100% town then. There wasn't 2 other protection out there that both had powers which needed to fake as vanilla. I actually figured there was zero other mattering protection at that point, but alas, Mzero was. The fact was a mass claim could have confirmed me town for you or caught a scum who tried to get cute late. You spent however long derailing town against it with trolling and with going for my lynch instead of either hunting scum, analyzing prior days, or seeing my point of view.

At what point did you say, hey if he is BP this might confirm him? You didn't. Because all you did was put your finger in your ears and go " nah nah nah nah nah corrik is scum nah nah nah nah nah" lol.

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Or even... hey "Why would Corrik as scum paint this target on his back for a mass claim here when scum is hella in control alrdy"

You never thought from an angle of Corrik wasn't scum. And, you led the mislynch. You led it. To a mislynch. I mean, your my bud and all, but you aren't looking at angles! You are looking from one viewpoint!

Like, you never considered "hey i think this is dumb as fuck to ask for a massclaim but Corrik is probably town for it"?

lol

Cuz trust me. I thought your day 5 shit was dumb as fuck and I thought you were town for it. lol

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I mean you wanted a mass claim to confirm yourself by your logic, but people didn't actually want a mass claim. Like you saying "look this setup confirms me now that we've all claimed" doesn't mean it actually confirms you to anyone but yourself. At some point you need to read the room. You had multiple people you were town reading saying they didn't like the idea of mass claim. So why are you expecting mass claim will confirm you to them? They're not thinking with the same mindset as you.

Like if you wanted to confirm yourself to me, actually scumhunt like you did the last game when you were town and under duress and it would have went a lot further

The irony is the only thing mass claim did is make you convinced scum was town for a dumb reason. Even if everyone claimed we would have had a jailkeeper which would not have confirmed you-- you probably argue to lynch MZero or Scare at that point which they were both town
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UltimaterializerX posted...

FD your scum game is embarrassingly obvious. You post walls of no content.

And no, you would not "do the same as town" because you have actual content as town.

My only wall was after say 1.

The day 1 that was absurdly short.

I really don't see town FD providing much more in that spot. And after people reacted so aggressively to my walling I tried to post more in the moment. Honestly as than I probably stick to my guns and wall more often than just the one time at the beginning of day 2.

: Shrug :

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From a town perspective I actually agree with there mass claim once it had begun. But I think it would have been better to just lynch Lea to make up for not doing it they prior day and then see how a mass claim worked out after that. And from my school perspective I was more than willing to go along with a Lea lynch. She had been living on borrowed time since day 2.
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You don't know that. I imagine one of the town on the lynch gets off to put you at -2 before then anyway

And let's be real you also probably check in within 113 minutes
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There were a couple of Lopen parts that were uncanny in their accuracy this game. That's why we tried to kill you and hit gg instead.

And so ironically us failing to kill you because of how correct your reads were caused you to reconsider your reads. So I guess you can thank Mzero for my bus failing
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Good lord people why did you let Lea get away with anything?
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

There were a couple of Lopen parts that were uncanny in their accuracy this game. That's why we tried to kill you and hit gg instead.

And so ironically us failing to kill you because of how correct your reads were caused you to reconsider your reads. So I guess you can thank Mzero for my bus failing

I still think reevaluating my reads increased their accuracy overall. Corrik was an unfortunate readjustment and without doing that we probably do lynch Lea instead of Corrik but elevating Hb and dropping Scare/IGCD off my suspect list would have had us win the game if the game continued I think. Really do think Scare was the only realistic mislynch left once that last day finished, though I can't exactly speak for IGCD Scare Bolt and MZero's votes
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Lopen posted...

I still think reevaluating my reads increased their accuracy overall. Corrik was an unfortunate readjustment and without doing that we probably do lynch Lea instead of Corrik but elevating Hb and dropping Scare/IGCD off my suspect list would have had us win the game if the game continued I think. Really do think Scare was the only realistic mislynch left once that last day finished, though I can't exactly speak for IGCD Scare Bolt and MZero's votes

You were more confident in your reads than I was then.

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I think the big thing is me MZero and IGCD seemed to be on the wavelength after that last day. Bolt and Scare were the only ones who could have thrown a wrench in, and only Scare was a viable mislynch there. But I think FD-> Lea were the next two lynches. Scare probably gets it together before the end game, or maybe is actually shot as maybe scum buys him as doctor or something.
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htaeD posted...

Good lord people why did you let Lea get away with anything?

I didn't think Lea and Chris would connect themselves so obvious for a Sultan kill

I hadn't consider that they got a role scan on the untargetable SK (because why would I)
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

There were a couple of Lopen parts that were uncanny in their accuracy this game. That's why we tried to kill you and hit gg instead.

And so ironically us failing to kill you because of how correct your reads were caused you to reconsider your reads. So I guess you can thank Mzero for my bus failing

Sweet I actually got a save kind of
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Oh this is over already good riddance

First time I look at the game day 2 Lopen is voting me and I'm not even in the game. Second time I look I see Chris outright claiming scum

Glad I got out of this embarrassment!

Oh and I replaced the moment Ulti was hammered and wanted him to flip town power. I didn't replace because he was.
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Amusingly enough I replaced out with a very hard scum read on Lea and later one on Chris when Ulti flipped town (Pez can confirm both). Just like I pegged Ulti in Hearthstone. It's always this kind of game I have good day 1 reads.

But basically this town lost Ulti/Han/Blade day 1 by being a bunch of idiots.

I was intentionally being outlandish just to draw attention btw. It's been over a decade but people still don't get that the day 1 Blade seen in this game has never been and never will be scum.

Though I had to replace out anyway. I was town that wanted town to lose. Major spirit of the game issue if I stay.
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If it makes you feel better you"re the reason I never went after Scare!

I was pretty sold on you being town day 1
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I didn't realize I had been hammered, if you read scum chat I was like "ah"

Anyway I was just having fun this game and being zany. Grats on living two days red.
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Also for those who don't know what actually happened in Hearthstone, scum organized a day 1 massclaim and I was lynched as super powered town jack for refusing to claim. It was almost entirely just a bunch of sheep policy lynching me

Town losing that game was very important, as was town losing this one
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The important lesson here was town had all of the tools to win this game even with short days, but they instead chose to bicker among themselves and be hostile and make the hosts die inside. Just be nice, regardless of game circumstances, and you will have fun.

Warning: I will so try this as town sometime. Fun is fun.
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this wasn't as fun to read as a lot of other recent games. I think if you told me it was a game with a SK, Ulti D1 mislynch and Sir Chris scum RB being lynched fair and square, I would have been totally hyped going in.

We had some negativity, some lazy town, and obvtown tunneling obvtown and it was a bit of a drag to read.

I do blame the hosts at times because they like adding as much flavor as they can and they'll happily pull in lazy people and negative people into games so they don't have to omit roles/characters. Spam rule 0 all you want, you put a hostile player into your game. Is that fair to the other players?
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I left precisely so I wouldn't turn into one day 2 because I know myself well enough these days.

All I would've done was put up a vote for Chris and say "see you day 3". Wouldn't have made another (constructive) post all day.

I was town on a lynch I thought was more likely to be town then scum and hoping he flipped town power, while subsequently hoping town got trucked. I had no business staying in the game.

But yeah this game sucked for the hosts. Every once in a while we get this kind of cesspool.
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I didn't think this game was bad at all in terms of hostility. I think the hosts had the right to end it if they felt that way, but personally I thought it was pretty tame
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neonreaper posted...

they'll happily pull in lazy people and negative people into games so they don't have to omit roles/characters.

there aren't enough active and positive players left to be that picky, especially if anybody wants to replace out. It's also hard to predict who's gonna be an issue in what game- some of our cranky or busy dudes this game were okay previously, and Ulti has gone from toxic to get along shirt in the space of like a month.

I mean I guess you COULD run like 7-man games but that seems kinda pointless

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I assume there were warnings sent to the players by the hosts, and not just a meltdown. I assume I missed one in topic and of course not privy to PMs.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

neonreaper posted...

they'll happily pull in lazy people and negative people into games so they don't have to omit roles/characters.

there aren't enough active and positive players left to be that picky, especially if anybody wants to replace out. It's also hard to predict who's gonna be an issue in what game- some of our cranky or busy dudes this game were okay previously, and Ulti has gone from toxic to get along shirt in the space of like a month.

I mean I guess you COULD run like 7-man games but that seems kinda pointless

In fairness I came out of the gate swinging for the first time in a long time, but it quickly became clear what kind of town this was going to be and it took me right out of it.

That was probably the best start to a game I've had in at least two years.

But yeah I think that day 1 had a lingering effect on the game at large and dragged a lot of people down further.
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feel free next time to replace in if you're going to be upset with hosts taking a player who didn't want to play because nobody else stepped up!

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Lopen posted...

All this talk about adapting and how you adapt your reads why not adapt your bad play as well as your reads

If town think you are protection fishing two games in a row maybe that's actually anti-town behavior and not like good play. Like if you're playing like scum I'm not giving you a pass because "oh well that Corrik is being cute again" because you can do that as scum too.

I wouldn't have wanted a mass claim. But it's not the worst play. With only one mislynch left it removes a mislynch target or it does nothing. I'd prefer to not force the protection out. I don't understand fire's reasoning that player reads don't really matter. But Corrik knew something didn't add up and it was affecting his reads. He thought another piece of information could clear the picture enough to merit outing protection. Again, not the direction I'd prefer to go. But not inherently anti-town.

The real problem is that I am an evil, evil scum who shot town Blade's hopes in the face.

I am a villain as always.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

The real problem is that I am an evil, evil scum who shot town Blade's hopes in the face.

I am a villain as always.

Nah, it was no one else giving a flying **** that you weren't even trying to play the game just because everyone sheeps you blindly

The fact that no one was willing to pay attention to a barely active/useful Chris showed exactly what town I was with.
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Leanansidhe posted...

I'm glad I didn't claim scum and surrender D3, like my original plan

Imagine how much different this game goes if I realize I made Chris untargetable and expose your fake claim day 2 :(

Also I should have known you were scum because you never tried to lynch me!
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