Current Events > What buying a GUN from Walmart is REALLY like. Not fictionalized

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FrozenXylophone 08/22/19 9:31:59 PM #1:	https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8 I went to Walmart with the intention of buying a gun last week as part of an investigation into the placement, selection, marketing, and security of firearms in Walmart's stores, and to learn more about the retailer's processes governing gun sales. My journey to bring a gun home from Walmart turned out to be far more complicated than I expected. I hit a roadblock before I even left the house. Walmart has said that about half of its 4,700 US stores sell guns. I searched Walmart.com and Google on August 13 to find out which of the 10 Walmart stores near me sold guns, and I failed to come up with any definitive answers. The only guns advertised on Walmart's website are air guns. After about 30 minutes, I gave up on searching the internet and turned to the phone. I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns. I was wrong. Over an hour and a half, I placed more than a dozen calls to multiple stores, waited on hold for a combined 40 minutes, and got through to a human only three times. Three Walmart employees told me they didn't know which stores sold guns in the area. Someone answered the phone at a Walmart Supercenter in Chesterfield, Virginia. She transferred me to the sporting-goods department, where a woman on the line confirmed that I could buy a gun there. I told an employee behind the counter that I wanted to buy a gun. They called for a manager. After a few minutes, a Walmart manager arrived at the gun-sales counter. She said I could not buy a gun that day because no authorized firearm sellers were scheduled to work. I left the store and told her I would return two days later. I told her I wanted to buy a gun. She said she was an authorized seller and that she could help me. She charged me $2 for a federal background check, then left the counter and returned a few minutes later with a form titled "Department of State Police Virginia Firearms Transaction Record." She told me to complete the form. I left the store empty-handed again. Story is very long so I had to abbreviate. Click article and read the extra detaila. <cite>FrozenXylophone posted [p:926426113] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8 I <quote>went to Walmart with the intention of buying a gun last week as part of an investigation into the placement, selection, marketing, and security of firearms in Walmart's stores, and to learn more about the retailer's processes governing gun sales. My journey to bring a gun home from Walmart turned out to be far more complicated than I expected. I hit a roadblock before I even left the house. Walmart has said that about half of its 4,700 US stores sell guns. I searched Walmart.com and Google on August 13 to find out which of the 10 Walmart stores near me sold guns, and I failed to come up with any definitive answers. The only guns advertised on Walmart's website are air guns. After about 30 minutes, I gave up on searching the internet and turned to the phone. I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns. I was wrong. Over an hour and a half, I placed more than a dozen calls to multiple stores, waited on hold for a combined 40 minutes, and got through to a human only three times. Three Walmart employees told me they didn't know which stores sold guns in the area. Someone answered the phone at a Walmart Supercenter in Chesterfield, Virginia. She transferred me to the sporting-goods department, where a woman on the line confirmed that I could buy a gun there. I told an employee behind the counter that I wanted to buy a gun. They called for a manager. After a few minutes, a Walmart manager arrived at the gun-sales counter. She said I could not buy a gun that day because no authorized firearm sellers were scheduled to work. I left the store and told her I would return two days later. I told her I wanted to buy a gun. She said she was an authorized seller and that she could help me. She charged me $2 for a federal background check, then left the counter and returned a few minutes later with a form titled "Department of State Police Virginia Firearms Transaction Record." She told me to complete the form. I left the store empty-handed again. </quote> Story is very long so I had to abbreviate. Click article and read the extra detaila.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/22/19 9:35:39 PM #2:	But President Obama said it was harder to buy a book than a gun.... --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926426247] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>But President Obama said it was harder to buy a book than a gun....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JuanCarlos1 08/22/19 9:40:46 PM #3:	Doesnt that changes by state? --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... <cite>JuanCarlos1 posted [p:926426422] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/22/19 9:44:30 PM #4:	JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926426547] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 08/22/19 9:45:41 PM #5:	props to her, for not squashing the story when it didn't fit the narrative. --- Tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:926426597] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>props to her, for not squashing the story when it didn't fit the narrative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrozenXylophone 08/22/19 9:48:11 PM #7:	Tbh though, buying a video game at walmart is also pretty difficult. The person with the key to the case often not around. <cite>FrozenXylophone posted [p:926426686] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Tbh though, buying a video game at walmart is also pretty difficult. The person with the key to the case often not around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 08/22/19 9:59:25 PM #8:	You mean you just can't walk in a leave with a gun? --- http://darkvisionsofterror.bandcamp.com/ https://imgur.com/e7sCCSb http://i.imgtc.com/AlmbdTG49T.jpg <cite>VTBM posted [p:926427056] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>You mean you just can't walk in a leave with a gun?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MasterGakke 08/22/19 10:09:09 PM #9:	VTBM posted... You mean you just can't walk in a leave with a gun? Depends on the state and the type of firearm. And whether you're too stupid to use the internet to find information like the "article" writer. --- All generalizations are false, including this one. <cite>MasterGakke posted [p:926427391] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>VTBM posted...</cite> <quote>You mean you just can't walk in a leave with a gun?</quote> Depends on the state and the type of firearm. And whether you're too stupid to use the internet to find information like the "article" writer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kolibri X 08/22/19 10:18:07 PM #11:	This reminded of that Sunny episode where Dennis tries to buy a gun --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:926427716] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>This reminded of that Sunny episode where Dennis tries to buy a gun </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/22/19 10:53:24 PM #12:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... darkjedilink posted... JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself. The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926428988] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself.</quote> The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 08/22/19 10:55:38 PM #13:	i was told i could go on amazon and order a fully automatic assault rifle 15 and have it delivered to my door, no questions asked --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:926429074] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>i was told i could go on amazon and order a fully automatic assault rifle 15 and have it delivered to my door, no questions asked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/22/19 10:58:38 PM #14:	AlephZero posted... i was told i could go on amazon and order a fully automatic assault rifle 15 and have it delivered to my door, no questions asked That is the leftist wet dream, but no. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926429197] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>i was told i could go on amazon and order a fully automatic assault rifle 15 and have it delivered to my door, no questions asked</quote> That is the leftist wet dream, but no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrozenXylophone 08/22/19 11:09:17 PM #15:	darkjedilink posted... AlephZero posted... i was told i could go on amazon and order a fully automatic assault rifle 15 and have it delivered to my door, no questions asked That is the leftist wet dream, but no. You mean Jeff Bezos' dream. <cite>FrozenXylophone posted [p:926429551] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>i was told i could go on amazon and order a fully automatic assault rifle 15 and have it delivered to my door, no questions asked</quote> That is the leftist wet dream, but no.</quote> You mean Jeff Bezos' dream.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/22/19 11:13:07 PM #16:	FrozenXylophone posted... I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns. Okay, as a Walmart employee, half of us can't even tell you what the store we're currently working in sells. Why the hell would we know what the other stores sell? --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:926429667] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns.</quote> Okay, as a Walmart employee, half of us can't even tell you what the store we're currently working in sells. Why the hell would we know what the other stores sell?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrozenXylophone 08/22/19 11:14:45 PM #17:	Crazyman93 posted... FrozenXylophone posted... I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns. Okay, as a Walmart employee, half of us can't even tell you what the store we're currently working in sells. Why the hell would we know what the other stores sell? Do you make people wait 30 mins to buy a video game too? <cite>FrozenXylophone posted [p:926429714] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns.</quote> Okay, as a Walmart employee, half of us can't even tell you what the store we're currently working in sells. Why the hell would we know what the other stores sell?</quote> Do you make people wait 30 mins to buy a video game too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/22/19 11:15:24 PM #18:	FrozenXylophone posted... After a few minutes, a Walmart manager arrived at the gun-sales counter. She said I could not buy a gun that day because no authorized firearm sellers were scheduled to work. Yeah, managers have to go through a Federal Background check to finalize gun sales. It's actually not nearly as easy as some people seem to think to buy a rifle or shotgun at your local walmart. Mainly because Walmart, being a legal company, has to comply with federal and state regulations. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:926429739] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>After a few minutes, a Walmart manager arrived at the gun-sales counter. She said I could not buy a gun that day because no authorized firearm sellers were scheduled to work.</quote> Yeah, managers have to go through a Federal Background check to finalize gun sales. It's actually not nearly as easy as some people seem to think to buy a rifle or shotgun at your local walmart. Mainly because Walmart, being a legal company, has to comply with federal and state regulations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/22/19 11:16:44 PM #19:	FrozenXylophone posted... Crazyman93 posted... FrozenXylophone posted... I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns. Okay, as a Walmart employee, half of us can't even tell you what the store we're currently working in sells. Why the hell would we know what the other stores sell? Do you make people wait 30 mins to buy a video game too? No, electronics is supposed to be staffed at all times to deter theft. And at my store the sporting goods associates can start the first half of a firearms sale, but you do need to wait for a manager to do the second part. Granted I live in Maryland, not Virginia. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:926429783] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>I figured that employees at any one of Walmart's stores near me would know which locations sold guns.</quote> Okay, as a Walmart employee, half of us can't even tell you what the store we're currently working in sells. Why the hell would we know what the other stores sell?</quote> Do you make people wait 30 mins to buy a video game too?</quote> No, electronics is supposed to be staffed at all times to deter theft. And at my store the sporting goods associates can start the first half of a firearms sale, but you do need to wait for a manager to do the second part. Granted I live in Maryland, not Virginia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrozenXylophone 08/22/19 11:18:22 PM #20:	Crazyman93 posted... No, electronics is supposed to be staffed at all times to deter theft. I find it is usually one guy at the desk who is easily occupied and may even go stock the back or something while a line of customers form. <cite>FrozenXylophone posted [p:926429840] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted...</cite> <quote>No, electronics is supposed to be staffed at all times to deter theft.</quote> I find it is usually one guy at the desk who is easily occupied and may even go stock the back or something while a line of customers form.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/22/19 11:20:59 PM #21:	FrozenXylophone posted... Crazyman93 posted... No, electronics is supposed to be staffed at all times to deter theft. I find it is usually one guy at the desk who is easily occupied and may even go stock the back or something while a line of customers form. Yeah, they're not supposed to go to the back. And the whole "deter theft" thing doesn't work either because someone busted a game case while an associate was working. I mean, granted, she was so short you couldn't see her over the half height shelves but either way... On the other hand, the thief was an idiot, spooked, and ran off empty handed. My store usually has at least two people in electronics during the day, then around 7 it drops to one. But Walmart has been finding ways to cut staffing for years. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:926429927] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted...</cite> <quote>No, electronics is supposed to be staffed at all times to deter theft.</quote> I find it is usually one guy at the desk who is easily occupied and may even go stock the back or something while a line of customers form.</quote> Yeah, they're not supposed to go to the back. And the whole "deter theft" thing doesn't work either because someone busted a game case while an associate was working. I mean, granted, she was so short you couldn't see her over the half height shelves but either way... On the other hand, the thief was an idiot, spooked, and ran off empty handed. My store usually has at least two people in electronics during the day, then around 7 it drops to one. But Walmart has been finding ways to cut staffing for years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/22/19 11:21:44 PM #22:	darkjedilink posted... JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... darkjedilink posted... JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself. The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly. Do you have a source for "the extreme vast majority..."? In my quick glance at Google it seems there ARE a lot of private sellers, and they aren't held to the same standards. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/ <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:926429953] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself.</quote> The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly.</quote> Do you have a source for "the extreme vast majority..."? In my quick glance at Google it seems there ARE a lot of private sellers, and they aren't held to the same standards. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 08/22/19 11:24:08 PM #23:	Overall this was a pretty useless story imo. 80% of her struggle was just finding a competent employee to tell her if a store carries the product. Youd have similar results asking about axe deodorant. Then from there she had had problems finding an associate that can sell guns. This isnt surprising either as gun vendors are regulated and Walmart has high turnover with employees. Im sure no one ever expected awkward teens to be selling guns.... From here the author fails the background check due to not having the correct documents (her addresses mismatch) Then she just gives up... Theres no way to tell if she could walk out of the store that day with a gun if she wanted to. All this story did was point out that you cant buy a gun like its a candy bar, and Im sure the vast majority of rational adults already knew that. It did nothing to debunk the fact its too easy to buy a gun. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:926430023] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Overall this was a pretty useless story imo. 80% of her struggle was just finding a competent employee to tell her if a store carries the product. Youd have similar results asking about axe deodorant. Then from there she had had problems finding an associate that can sell guns. This isnt surprising either as gun vendors are regulated and Walmart has high turnover with employees. Im sure no one ever expected awkward teens to be selling guns.... From here the author fails the background check due to not having the correct documents (her addresses mismatch) Then she just gives up... Theres no way to tell if she could walk out of the store that day with a gun if she wanted to. All this story did was point out that you cant buy a gun like its a candy bar, and Im sure the vast majority of rational adults already knew that. It did nothing to debunk the fact its too easy to buy a gun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/22/19 11:29:57 PM #24:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... Overall this was a pretty useless story imo. 80% of her struggle was just finding a competent employee to tell her if a store carries the product. Youd have similar results asking about axe deodorant. Then from there she had had problems finding an associate that can sell guns. This isnt surprising either as gun vendors are regulated and Walmart has high turnover with employees. Im sure no one ever expected awkward teens to be selling guns.... From here the author fails the background check due to not having the correct documents (her addresses mismatch) Then she just gives up... Theres no way to tell if she could walk out of the store that day with a gun if she wanted to. All this story did was point out that you cant buy a gun like its a candy bar, and Im sure the vast majority of rational adults already knew that. It did nothing to debunk the fact its too easy to buy a gun. If it was 'too easy,' she wouldn't have left empty-handed TWICE, no? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926430202] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>Overall this was a pretty useless story imo. 80% of her struggle was just finding a competent employee to tell her if a store carries the product. Youd have similar results asking about axe deodorant. Then from there she had had problems finding an associate that can sell guns. This isnt surprising either as gun vendors are regulated and Walmart has high turnover with employees. Im sure no one ever expected awkward teens to be selling guns.... From here the author fails the background check due to not having the correct documents (her addresses mismatch) Then she just gives up... Theres no way to tell if she could walk out of the store that day with a gun if she wanted to. All this story did was point out that you cant buy a gun like its a candy bar, and Im sure the vast majority of rational adults already knew that. It did nothing to debunk the fact its too easy to buy a gun. </quote> If it was 'too easy,' she wouldn't have left empty-handed TWICE, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/22/19 11:33:04 PM #25:	Ruvan22 posted... darkjedilink posted... JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... darkjedilink posted... JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself. The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly. Do you have a source for "the extreme vast majority..."? In my quick glance at Google it seems there ARE a lot of private sellers, and they aren't held to the same standards. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/ Federal law and personal experience at gun shows. Private sales without a background check are only legal anywhere in America if the buyer and seller are citizens of the same state, AND the sale is in said state. Literally every other gun sale in America requires an FFL dealer to do a background check on the seller. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926430303] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself.</quote> The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly.</quote> Do you have a source for "the extreme vast majority..."? In my quick glance at Google it seems there ARE a lot of private sellers, and they aren't held to the same standards. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/</quote> Federal law and personal experience at gun shows. Private sales without a background check are only legal anywhere in America if the buyer and seller are citizens of the same state, AND the sale is in said state. Literally every other gun sale in America requires an FFL dealer to do a background check on the seller.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDrHenjin 08/22/19 11:36:35 PM #26:	You mean the media has lied to you about how easy it is to buy a gun? Oh deary deary me, I had no Idea the MEDIA had the capacity to LIE!!! :O say it isnt so!! <cite>TheRealDrHenjin posted [p:926430431] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>You mean the media has lied to you about how easy it is to buy a gun? Oh deary deary me, I had no Idea the MEDIA had the capacity to LIE!!! :O say it isnt so!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 08/22/19 11:39:24 PM #27:	The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926430520] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 08/22/19 11:53:24 PM #28:	What state does the article writer call home, and why did they limit their research to Walmart only? --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:926430978] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>What state does the article writer call home, and why did they limit their research to Walmart only?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/23/19 12:05:03 AM #29:	008Zulu posted... What state does the article writer call home, and why did they limit their research to Walmart only? Given the article mentions Virginia I'll assume there. And I assume they were testing it because it's not a "sporting goods" type place where you can "easily buy anything" --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:926431343] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>What state does the article writer call home, and why did they limit their research to Walmart only?</quote> Given the article mentions Virginia I'll assume there. And I assume they were testing it because it's not a "sporting goods" type place where you can "easily buy anything"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/23/19 12:07:39 AM #30:	Dragonblade01 posted... The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down. The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926431398] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down.</quote> The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 08/23/19 12:10:24 AM #31:	darkjedilink posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down. The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about. That's because you could never get enough Americans to support or follow through with the necessary legislation. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926431468] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down.</quote> The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about.</quote> That's because you could never get enough Americans to support or follow through with the necessary legislation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/23/19 12:12:38 AM #32:	Dragonblade01 posted... darkjedilink posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down. The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about. That's because you could never get enough Americans to support or follow through with the necessary legislation. The legislation already exists. We apparently live in bizarro world, though, where enforcing the law is racist. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926431532] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down.</quote> The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about.</quote> That's because you could never get enough Americans to support or follow through with the necessary legislation.</quote> The legislation already exists. We apparently live in bizarro world, though, where enforcing the law is racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 08/23/19 12:12:48 AM #33:	FrozenXylophone posted... She charged me $2 for a federal background check, then left the counter and returned a few minutes later with a form titled "Department of State Police Virginia Firearms Transaction Record." She told me to complete the form. I left the store empty-handed again. I can't even imagine waiting another 3 days after filing the 4473, it's nice to be licensed. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:926431536] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>FrozenXylophone posted...</cite> <quote>She charged me $2 for a federal background check, then left the counter and returned a few minutes later with a form titled "Department of State Police Virginia Firearms Transaction Record." She told me to complete the form. I left the store empty-handed again.</quote> I can't even imagine waiting another 3 days after filing the 4473, it's nice to be licensed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 08/23/19 12:38:57 AM #34:	darkjedilink posted... Dragonblade01 posted... darkjedilink posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down. The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about. That's because you could never get enough Americans to support or follow through with the necessary legislation. The legislation already exists. We apparently live in bizarro world, though, where enforcing the law is racist. The legislation for ideal gun control absolutely does not exist in America. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926432345] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The ease of purchasing guns through proper channels has always been greatly exaggerated by gun control advocates, which is frustrating as someone who largely supports gun control as an ideal. The bigger problems are availability of firearms in general and shadier dealers who need to be shut down.</quote> The biggest problem is people in urban areas using illegally-procured firearms to commit crimes - a problem no currently-proffered gun control legislation would do jack shit about.</quote> That's because you could never get enough Americans to support or follow through with the necessary legislation.</quote> The legislation already exists. We apparently live in bizarro world, though, where enforcing the law is racist.</quote> The legislation for ideal gun control absolutely does not exist in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 08/23/19 1:15:35 AM #35:	Crazyman93 posted... 008Zulu posted... What state does the article writer call home, and why did they limit their research to Walmart only? Given the article mentions Virginia I'll assume there. And I assume they were testing it because it's not a "sporting goods" type place where you can "easily buy anything" So the writer is loading the article to favour the perception that guns are hard to buy. That is not unbiased at all. --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:926433370] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>What state does the article writer call home, and why did they limit their research to Walmart only?</quote> Given the article mentions Virginia I'll assume there. And I assume they were testing it because it's not a "sporting goods" type place where you can "easily buy anything"</quote> So the writer is loading the article to favour the perception that guns are hard to buy. That is not unbiased at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
toadfan64 08/23/19 1:18:05 AM #36:	I had a friend buy a shotgun at Walmart in under an hour just to attempt to get the girls phone number. Lmao --- Brawl FC - 5412-9555-6314 Also known as Toadfan64 <cite>toadfan64 posted [p:926433415] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>I had a friend buy a shotgun at Walmart in under an hour just to attempt to get the girls phone number. Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 08/23/19 1:57:30 AM #37:	darkjedilink posted... JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. No the federal three day wait was declared unconstitutional on the grounds it was a state's right, so it's done by state. Some will let you pick any gun you want up after NICS if you have a hunting or conceal weapons license, others make you wait an entire month simply because the courts are weak and allow such a disgrace. Which is still bullshit to begin with since the excuse gun grabbers use these days is "It allows for a deeper background check" which is horseshit since NICS is an instant background check. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:926434346] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> No the federal three day wait was declared unconstitutional on the grounds it was a state's right, so it's done by state. Some will let you pick any gun you want up after NICS if you have a hunting or conceal weapons license, others make you wait an entire month simply because the courts are weak and allow such a disgrace. Which is still bullshit to begin with since the excuse gun grabbers use these days is "It allows for a deeper background check" which is horseshit since NICS is an instant background check.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 08/23/19 2:03:19 AM #38:	I bought a 9mm from a gun store. The whole process took about thirty minutes and I walked out with the gun. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:926434475] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>I bought a 9mm from a gun store. The whole process took about thirty minutes and I walked out with the gun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/23/19 7:40:11 AM #39:	Tropicalwood posted... darkjedilink posted... JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. No the federal three day wait was declared unconstitutional on the grounds it was a state's right, so it's done by state. Some will let you pick any gun you want up after NICS if you have a hunting or conceal weapons license, others make you wait an entire month simply because the courts are weak and allow such a disgrace. Which is still bullshit to begin with since the excuse gun grabbers use these days is "It allows for a deeper background check" which is horseshit since NICS is an instant background check. This lady wasn't subject to a waiting period. She was waiting on her background check. NICS background checks are usually instant, but in some cases can take up to a week to process. It's not unheard of for them to take months. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:926439764] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> No the federal three day wait was declared unconstitutional on the grounds it was a state's right, so it's done by state. Some will let you pick any gun you want up after NICS if you have a hunting or conceal weapons license, others make you wait an entire month simply because the courts are weak and allow such a disgrace. Which is still bullshit to begin with since the excuse gun grabbers use these days is "It allows for a deeper background check" which is horseshit since NICS is an instant background check.</quote> This lady wasn't subject to a waiting period. She was waiting on her background check. NICS background checks are usually instant, but in some cases can take up to a week to process. It's not unheard of for them to take months.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/25/19 12:37:42 AM #40:	darkjedilink posted... Ruvan22 posted... darkjedilink posted... JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... darkjedilink posted... JuanCarlos1 posted... Doesnt that changes by state? Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time. What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself. The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly. Do you have a source for "the extreme vast majority..."? In my quick glance at Google it seems there ARE a lot of private sellers, and they aren't held to the same standards. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/ Federal law and personal experience at gun shows. Private sales without a background check are only legal anywhere in America if the buyer and seller are citizens of the same state, AND the sale is in said state. Literally every other gun sale in America requires an FFL dealer to do a background check on the seller. As we often say, anecdotal evidence doesn't reflect the whole picture, that's why I was asking for a study or source that "the extreme vast majority". Didn't you also state that a lot of "Laws on the books aren't followed"? So federal law may not be applied as rigorously at gun shows as you think? The article has some statistics, but like I said it's pretty old - feel free to link to something newer. <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:926512957] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesnt that changes by state?</quote> Nope. That's all federal law. The only thing that changes by state is what non-lethal superficial attachments are available, and how many rounds you can load at one time.</quote> What about gun shows? Just curious. I own a few firearms myself.</quote> The extreme vast majority of sellers at gun shows are extensions of retail outlets, meaning the exact same stuff applies. Even the ones that aren't are severely restricted - they have to be a citizen of the state the show is in, they have to have documentation proving they own the firearms they intend to sell, they have to submit to a background check to open their booth, and they can only legally sell their firearms to citizen of the same state without getting another vendor to take possession of the firearm and set up a transfer to an FFL dealer in the purchaser's home state. The 'gun show loophole' leftists love to throw out is so rare, it's almost a statistical anomaly.</quote> Do you have a source for "the extreme vast majority..."? In my quick glance at Google it seems there ARE a lot of private sellers, and they aren't held to the same standards. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/07/politifact-sheet-3-things-know-about-gun-show-loop/</quote> Federal law and personal experience at gun shows. Private sales without a background check are only legal anywhere in America if the buyer and seller are citizens of the same state, AND the sale is in said state. Literally every other gun sale in America requires an FFL dealer to do a background check on the seller.</quote> As we often say, anecdotal evidence doesn't reflect the whole picture, that's why I was asking for a study or source that "the extreme vast majority". Didn't you also state that a lot of "Laws on the books aren't followed"? So federal law may not be applied as rigorously at gun shows as you think? The article has some statistics, but like I said it's pretty old - feel free to link to something newer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abiz_ 08/25/19 12:40:46 AM #41:	Ruvan22 posted... So federal law may not be applied as rigorously at gun shows as you think? That is called a felony. No gun seller is going to mess up their business for a quick buck and risk jail time. They are strictly followed. The ones that come to NY state refuse to even buy stuff that the state has made illegal. They all tell you to go to Pennsylvania to sell it to them. Most business that sell at gun shows do it across multiple states. Gun Shows are not the black market... <cite>Abiz_ posted [p:926513054] in What buyin... [t:77957907]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>So federal law may not be applied as rigorously at gun shows as you think?</quote>That is called a felony. No gun seller is going to mess up their business for a quick buck and risk jail time. They are strictly followed. The ones that come to NY state refuse to even buy stuff that the state has made illegal. They all tell you to go to Pennsylvania to sell it to them. Most business that sell at gun shows do it across multiple states. Gun Shows are not the black market... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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