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gmanthebest 08/29/19 6:56:26 AM #102:	OctilIery posted... ZeroKelvin posted... joe40001 posted... I have had really bad depression for the last 10 years of my life. I have been unhappy and missed out on a so much, despite this I never committed crime because I'm not a self absorbed asshole, tell me why am I, less deserving of the country bending over backwards to pay 30-40k to help me? Hell it would've taken much much less, just somebody to talk to at all times, but instead I lost years alone and afraid, and nobody fought to help me get better. Prison is unpleasant. Unless you will die without medical care, it's not really the prison's problem. It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. Well said. This idea of coddling criminals in prison is ridiculous. Unless its gonna kill them in there, they can take care of it on their own dime once theyve served their time. Another wrong opinion. Shit, if that's coming from you, that makes it correct --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:926689090] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>ZeroKelvin posted...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>I have had really bad depression for the last 10 years of my life. I have been unhappy and missed out on a so much, despite this I never committed crime because I'm not a self absorbed asshole, tell me why am I, less deserving of the country bending over backwards to pay 30-40k to help me? Hell it would've taken much much less, just somebody to talk to at all times, but instead I lost years alone and afraid, and nobody fought to help me get better. Prison is unpleasant. Unless you will die without medical care, it's not really the prison's problem. It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people.</quote> Well said. This idea of coddling criminals in prison is ridiculous. Unless its gonna kill them in there, they can take care of it on their own dime once theyve served their time.</quote> Another wrong opinion.</quote> Shit, if that's coming from you, that makes it correct</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 6:57:41 AM #103:	ZeroKelvin posted... So why do you think hardened criminals are more entitled to non-critical care paid for by the government than law abiding citizens? What a ridiculous stance. I don't, and have never said anything close to that. That's just your horribly illogical response to it. gmanthebest posted... Shit, if that's coming from you, that makes it correct Nope. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926689110] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>ZeroKelvin posted...</cite> <quote>So why do you think hardened criminals are more entitled to non-critical care paid for by the government than law abiding citizens? What a ridiculous stance.</quote> I don't, and have never said anything close to that. That's just your horribly illogical response to it. gmanthebest posted...</cite> <quote>Shit, if that's coming from you, that makes it correct</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/29/19 7:08:37 AM #104:	Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:926689277] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:10:58 AM #105:	gunplagirl posted... Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all. It's a mix of that, and using it as a way of trying to say they want prisoners treated worse without sounding petty or cruel. It's really just a cowardly tactic. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926689309] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all.</quote> It's a mix of that, and using it as a way of trying to say they want prisoners treated worse without sounding petty or cruel. It's really just a cowardly tactic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 7:18:25 AM #106:	gunplagirl posted... Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all. I advocate for change. I think this country needs universal health care and that includes srs. I just don't think someone should get it for free simply because they're in jail. It's necessary, but it isn't urgent. It can wait until she gets out and can make arrangements to get it on her own. Like 99% of people undergoing srs do. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926689429] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all.</quote> I advocate for change. I think this country needs universal health care and that includes srs. I just don't think someone should get it for free simply because they're in jail. It's necessary, but it isn't urgent. It can wait until she gets out and can make arrangements to get it on her own. Like 99% of people undergoing srs do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 08/29/19 7:18:29 AM #107:	ZeroKelvin posted... OctilIery posted... ZeroKelvin posted... joe40001 posted... I have had really bad depression for the last 10 years of my life. I have been unhappy and missed out on a so much, despite this I never committed crime because I'm not a self absorbed asshole, tell me why am I, less deserving of the country bending over backwards to pay 30-40k to help me? Hell it would've taken much much less, just somebody to talk to at all times, but instead I lost years alone and afraid, and nobody fought to help me get better. Prison is unpleasant. Unless you will die without medical care, it's not really the prison's problem. It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. Well said. This idea of coddling criminals in prison is ridiculous. Unless its gonna kill them in there, they can take care of it on their own dime once theyve served their time. Another wrong opinion. So why do you think hardened criminals are more entitled to non-critical care paid for by the government than law abiding citizens? What a ridiculous stance. Because the general public should have the same rights. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:926689431] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>ZeroKelvin posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>ZeroKelvin posted...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>I have had really bad depression for the last 10 years of my life. I have been unhappy and missed out on a so much, despite this I never committed crime because I'm not a self absorbed asshole, tell me why am I, less deserving of the country bending over backwards to pay 30-40k to help me? Hell it would've taken much much less, just somebody to talk to at all times, but instead I lost years alone and afraid, and nobody fought to help me get better. Prison is unpleasant. Unless you will die without medical care, it's not really the prison's problem. It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people.</quote> Well said. This idea of coddling criminals in prison is ridiculous. Unless its gonna kill them in there, they can take care of it on their own dime once theyve served their time.</quote> Another wrong opinion.</quote> So why do you think hardened criminals are more entitled to non-critical care paid for by the government than law abiding citizens? What a ridiculous stance.</quote> Because the general public should have the same rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 7:23:26 AM #108:	bover_87 posted... Because the general public should have the same rights. Exactly. People (other than transphobes) aren't arguing she shouldn't have the procedure, just that, until we have universal healthcare, the prison/government shouldn't have to pay for it. If I were in charge of the prisons, I'd be more than willing to let her have the surgery if she's paying for it herself, and I think she should be in a women's prison whether she has the surgery or not. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926689494] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted... </cite> <quote>Because the general public should have the same rights.</quote> Exactly. People (other than transphobes) aren't arguing she shouldn't have the procedure, just that, until we have universal healthcare, the prison/government shouldn't have to pay for it. If I were in charge of the prisons, I'd be more than willing to let her have the surgery if she's paying for it herself, and I think she should be in a women's prison whether she has the surgery or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/29/19 7:25:15 AM #109:	jumi posted... gunplagirl posted... Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all. I advocate for change. I think this country needs universal health care and that includes srs. I just don't think someone should get it for free simply because they're in jail. It's necessary, but it isn't urgent. It can wait until she gets out and can make arrangements to get it on her own. Like 99% of people undergoing srs do. And those 99% of people you mentioned, they represent a minority of all trans people who actually need it. So. Maybe don't use the people who are the exception as some shining example while also alleging that you want universal health care AND being opposed to somebody getting the surgery paid for. It's at least 2 layers of incompatible paradigms. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:926689536] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Cis people who have expressed disbelief in the genuine identity of transgender people also saying that it's an unnecessary surgery? Jeez, that's a surprise. It's necessary. Of course a prison doctor might not think it necessary, they also aren't likely qualified to discern the needs of a transgender patient. Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. Saying "oh but she's a prisoner" and using other people who can't afford it while not actually advocating for any change that will cover it for people is pretty much sending the message that you probably don't actually like that trans people are getting surgery at all.</quote> I advocate for change. I think this country needs universal health care and that includes srs. I just don't think someone should get it for free simply because they're in jail. It's necessary, but it isn't urgent. It can wait until she gets out and can make arrangements to get it on her own. Like 99% of people undergoing srs do. </quote> And those 99% of people you mentioned, they represent a minority of all trans people who actually need it. So. Maybe don't use the people who are the exception as some shining example while also alleging that you want universal health care AND being opposed to somebody getting the surgery paid for. It's at least 2 layers of incompatible paradigms.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 08/29/19 7:27:22 AM #110:	jumi posted... bover_87 posted... Because the general public should have the same rights. Exactly. People (other than transphobes) aren't arguing she shouldn't have the procedure, just that, until we have universal healthcare, the prison/government shouldn't have to pay for it. If I were in charge of the prisons, I'd be more than willing to let her have the surgery if she's paying for it herself, and I think she should be in a women's prison whether she has the surgery or not. While the sentiment is admirable, you see a lot of people making that argument while opposing universal healthcare. Not saying you do necessarily, but that I'm very suspicious of that argument for that reason. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:926689564] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted... </cite> <quote>Because the general public should have the same rights.</quote> Exactly. People (other than transphobes) aren't arguing she shouldn't have the procedure, just that, until we have universal healthcare, the prison/government shouldn't have to pay for it. If I were in charge of the prisons, I'd be more than willing to let her have the surgery if she's paying for it herself, and I think she should be in a women's prison whether she has the surgery or not. </quote> While the sentiment is admirable, you see a lot of people making that argument while opposing universal healthcare. Not saying you do necessarily, but that I'm very suspicious of that argument for that reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 7:30:22 AM #111:	joe40001 posted... It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. I'm not sure I agree Law abiding people are not being forced into incarceration by the state If the state is doing that then the state is responsible for their healthcare. I just don't think this qualifies --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926689603] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote> It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. </quote> I'm not sure I agree Law abiding people are not being forced into incarceration by the state If the state is doing that then the state is responsible for their healthcare. I just don't think this qualifies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Collat 08/29/19 7:31:49 AM #112:	gunplagirl posted... Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. America doesn't even have free health care in life threatening situations. I think that's a higher priority. In this case proper medication should be provided. Not sure how expensive hormone treatment is, but that sounds like a more reasonable request. OctilIery posted... It's a mix of that, and using it as a way of trying to say they want prisoners treated worse without sounding petty or cruel. It's really just a cowardly tactic. prisoners should be treated worse than law abiding citizens. Not abused or mistreated, but it's supposed to be a punishment. <cite>Collat posted [p:926689628] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone who needs it should be able to receive it. For free, really. </quote>America doesn't even have free health care in life threatening situations. I think that's a higher priority. In this case proper medication should be provided. Not sure how expensive hormone treatment is, but that sounds like a more reasonable request. OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It's a mix of that, and using it as a way of trying to say they want prisoners treated worse without sounding petty or cruel. It's really just a cowardly tactic.</quote>prisoners should be treated worse than law abiding citizens. Not abused or mistreated, but it's supposed to be a punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 08/29/19 7:31:54 AM #113:	UnfairRepresent posted... joe40001 posted... It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. I'm not sure I agree Law abiding people are not being forced into incarceration by the state If the state is doing that then the state is responsible for their healthcare. I just don't think this qualifies You aren't "forced" you go to prison because you commit a crime. These people aren't abducted. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:926689630] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote> It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. </quote> I'm not sure I agree Law abiding people are not being forced into incarceration by the state If the state is doing that then the state is responsible for their healthcare. I just don't think this qualifies</quote> You aren't "forced" you go to prison because you commit a crime. These people aren't abducted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:32:31 AM #114:	jumi posted... It's necessary So you admit it should be covered. All you had to say. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926689635] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>It's necessary</quote> So you admit it should be covered. All you had to say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 7:33:10 AM #115:	joe40001 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... joe40001 posted... It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. I'm not sure I agree Law abiding people are not being forced into incarceration by the state If the state is doing that then the state is responsible for their healthcare. I just don't think this qualifies You aren't "forced" you go to prison because you commit a crime. These people aren't abducted. Wut Yes they are. Police roll up, throw them in cars/vans, throw them in locked rooms, drag them to a courthouse (sometimes) then drag them to another locked room then make them work against their will. That's literally abduction, just state supported abduction. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926689653] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote> It's moronic that criminals would get better care than law abiding people. </quote> I'm not sure I agree Law abiding people are not being forced into incarceration by the state If the state is doing that then the state is responsible for their healthcare. I just don't think this qualifies</quote> You aren't "forced" you go to prison because you commit a crime. These people aren't abducted.</quote> Wut Yes they are. Police roll up, throw them in cars/vans, throw them in locked rooms, drag them to a courthouse (sometimes) then drag them to another locked room then make them work against their will. That's literally abduction, just state supported abduction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:35:05 AM #116:	Collat posted... prisoners should be treated worse than law abiding citizens. Nope. The ideal is to treat them as well as possible while running a functioning, safe prison. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926689683] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Collat posted...</cite> <quote>prisoners should be treated worse than law abiding citizens.</quote> Nope. The ideal is to treat them as well as possible while running a functioning, safe prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 08/29/19 7:35:47 AM #117:	UnfairRepresent posted... That's literally abduction, just state supported abduction. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:926689701] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>That's literally abduction, just state supported abduction.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 7:37:57 AM #118:	bover_87 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... That's literally abduction, just state supported abduction. Definition of abduction: the action of forcibly taking someone away against their will. You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Why do you think cops have handcuffs and courts have bailiffs? And he was never see again --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926689731] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>That's literally abduction, just state supported abduction.</quote> </quote> Definition of abduction: the action of forcibly taking someone away against their will. You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Why do you think cops have handcuffs and courts have bailiffs? And he was never see again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 7:41:49 AM #119:	OctilIery posted... So you admit it should be covered. All you had to say. Well, I didn't say that at all, so... --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926689795] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>So you admit it should be covered. All you had to say.</quote> Well, I didn't say that at all, so... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 08/29/19 7:42:37 AM #120:	UnfairRepresent posted... And he was never see again --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:926689801] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>And he was never see again</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 08/29/19 7:43:56 AM #121:	Tag.. --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:926689827] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Tag..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 7:44:42 AM #122:	gunplagirl posted... And those 99% of people you mentioned, they represent a minority of all trans people who actually need it. So. Maybe don't use the people who are the exception as some shining example while also alleging that you want universal health care AND being opposed to somebody getting the surgery paid for. It's at least 2 layers of incompatible paradigms. More people should have access to health care in general as well as srs in particular. I agree. I just don't think someone should be moved to the head of the line simply because they're in jail. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926689841] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>And those 99% of people you mentioned, they represent a minority of all trans people who actually need it. So. Maybe don't use the people who are the exception as some shining example while also alleging that you want universal health care AND being opposed to somebody getting the surgery paid for. It's at least 2 layers of incompatible paradigms.</quote> More people should have access to health care in general as well as srs in particular. I agree. I just don't think someone should be moved to the head of the line simply because they're in jail. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 08/29/19 7:46:05 AM #123:	I also have gender dysphoria. Can I sue the state for cruel and unusual punishment because I can't afford f2m treatments? --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:926689871] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>I also have gender dysphoria. Can I sue the state for cruel and unusual punishment because I can't afford f2m treatments?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/29/19 7:46:58 AM #124:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926689889] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily?</quote> Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 7:49:47 AM #125:	Rika_Furude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926689947] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily?</quote> Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary.</quote> No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:49:47 AM #126:	jumi posted... OctilIery posted... So you admit it should be covered. All you had to say. Well, I didn't say that at all, so... But you did. With that part I quoted. Rika_Furude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. That's not what voluntary means. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926689948] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>So you admit it should be covered. All you had to say.</quote> Well, I didn't say that at all, so... </quote> But you did. With that part I quoted. Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily?</quote> Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary.</quote> That's not what voluntary means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 7:49:54 AM #127:	DarkRoast posted... I also have gender dysphoria. Can I sue the state for cruel and unusual punishment because I can't afford f2m treatments? Apparently if you go to (edit!) prison and they don't provide it. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926689954] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted... </cite> <quote>I also have gender dysphoria. Can I sue the state for cruel and unusual punishment because I can't afford f2m treatments?</quote> Apparently if you go to (edit!) prison and they don't provide it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:51:12 AM #128:	jumi posted... DarkRoast posted... I also have gender dysphoria. Can I sue the state for cruel and unusual punishment because I can't afford f2m treatments? Apparently if you go to jail and they don't provide it. Technically he'd have to go to prison >.>; I don't actually know if it would get covered in Jail, given that the length of treatment will be longer than your stay. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926689978] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted... </cite> <quote>I also have gender dysphoria. Can I sue the state for cruel and unusual punishment because I can't afford f2m treatments?</quote> Apparently if you go to jail and they don't provide it. </quote> Technically he'd have to go to prison >.>; I don't actually know if it would get covered in Jail, given that the length of treatment will be longer than your stay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/29/19 7:52:27 AM #129:	UnfairRepresent posted... She wore a pretty dress so she was willing UR logic --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926689994] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>She wore a pretty dress so she was willing</quote> UR logic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/29/19 7:52:48 AM #130:	OctilIery posted... Rika_Furude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. That's not what voluntary means. What do you think it means --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926690000] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. That's not what voluntary means.</quote> What do you think it means</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:53:59 AM #131:	Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Rika_Furude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. That's not what voluntary means. What do you think it means It means you do it willingly. Some criminals do go willingly, many do not. Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926690026] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... UnfairRepresent posted... You're saying all criminals and prisoners are in cop cars, courtrooms, jail and prison voluntarily? Yes absolutely. They made their choice knowing full well where it would lead them. Thats textbook voluntary. That's not what voluntary means.</quote> What do you think it means</quote> It means you do it willingly. Some criminals do go willingly, many do not. Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 7:54:22 AM #132:	OctilIery posted... But you did. With that part I quoted. I agreed that it was necessary. Not that it should be covered. If it's not urgent, why should they pay for it when she can do it herself when released? --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926690040] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>But you did. With that part I quoted.</quote> I agreed that it was necessary. Not that it should be covered. If it's not urgent, why should they pay for it when she can do it herself when released? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 7:55:25 AM #133:	jumi posted... I agreed that it was necessary. Which means you agree it should be covered. Because all necessary procedures should be covered. End of story. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926690064] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>I agreed that it was necessary.</quote> Which means you agree it should be covered. Because all necessary procedures should be covered. End of story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 08/29/19 7:55:27 AM #134:	UnfairRepresent posted... No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual Look, I want to ask you a favor. Please just let this one go. Im all about the unfair representation, and I truly like your posts, but this platform is just too much. If you just jump out of this, Ill totally owe you one. --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:926690067] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual</quote> Look, I want to ask you a favor. Please just let this one go. Im all about the unfair representation, and I truly like your posts, but this platform is just too much. If you just jump out of this, Ill totally owe you one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 7:58:31 AM #135:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... UnfairRepresent posted... No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual Look, I want to ask you a favor. Please just let this one go. Im all about the unfair representation, and I truly like your posts, but this platform is just too much. If you just jump out of this, Ill totally owe you one. prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926690140] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual</quote> Look, I want to ask you a favor. Please just let this one go. Im all about the unfair representation, and I truly like your posts, but this platform is just too much. If you just jump out of this, Ill totally owe you one. </quote> prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 08/29/19 8:01:31 AM #136:	UnfairRepresent posted... prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil Dude, please, dont do this. Evil? --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:926690185] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil</quote> Dude, please, dont do this. Evil? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 08/29/19 8:02:47 AM #137:	UnfairRepresent posted... Jerry_Hellyeah posted... UnfairRepresent posted... No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual Look, I want to ask you a favor. Please just let this one go. Im all about the unfair representation, and I truly like your posts, but this platform is just too much. If you just jump out of this, Ill totally owe you one. prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil What are you even doing, UnfairRepresent? You seem to be either genuinely confused by prison or doing some weird bit that don't make sense. It's evil to say "people who commit crimes should have an expectation that they'll be arrested"? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:926690208] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>No it's not. That's "She wore a pretty dress so she was willing " logic if they oppose and don't want to do it then it's not voluntary or consentual</quote> Look, I want to ask you a favor. Please just let this one go. Im all about the unfair representation, and I truly like your posts, but this platform is just too much. If you just jump out of this, Ill totally owe you one. </quote> prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil</quote> What are you even doing, UnfairRepresent? You seem to be either genuinely confused by prison or doing some weird bit that don't make sense. It's evil to say "people who commit crimes should have an expectation that they'll be arrested"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/29/19 8:02:53 AM #138:	OctilIery posted... Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them. They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926690212] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them.</quote> They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 8:03:45 AM #139:	OctilIery posted... Which means you agree it should be covered. Because all necessary procedures should be covered. End of story. No I do not. We would have to get into a long, drawn-out argument about what "necessary" means. If I hurt myself or get sick, is it necessary I go to the doctor? You could argue it is (and you probably would), but I might simply heal on my own. It is "necessary" in that srs generally improves a transgender person's mental health. But it is not necessary in that they will die without it (they won't). So she can wait until she's released. It's not urgent. Which is what I said. We disagree. You feel one way, I feel the other. It's not going to change on either side. Stop trying to "gotcha!" me. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926690223] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>Which means you agree it should be covered. Because all necessary procedures should be covered. End of story.</quote> No I do not. We would have to get into a long, drawn-out argument about what "necessary" means. If I hurt myself or get sick, is it necessary I go to the doctor? You could argue it is (and you probably would), but I might simply heal on my own. It is "necessary" in that srs generally improves a transgender person's mental health. But it is not necessary in that they will die without it (they won't). So she can wait until she's released. It's not urgent. Which is what I said. We disagree. You feel one way, I feel the other. It's not going to change on either side. Stop trying to "gotcha!" me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 8:04:06 AM #140:	Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them. They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction. That's a no, sorry. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926690229] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them.</quote> They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction.</quote> That's a no, sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 8:04:21 AM #141:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... UnfairRepresent posted... prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil Dude, please, dont do this. Evil? id say so As stated the logic support rape culture , it supports big government, it ignored individual will and calls people liars Claiming people volunteered, agreed and consented to do things against their will that you literally physically forced them to do while resisted but were overpowred is evil. That's arguably a definition of evil or immorality --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926690238] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>prisoners are (almost always) not there voluntarily ignoring that is insane and denying it is dangerous "They knew the consequences therefore they consented " is not only factually incorrect but it's morally evil</quote> Dude, please, dont do this. Evil? </quote> id say so As stated the logic support rape culture , it supports big government, it ignored individual will and calls people liars Claiming people volunteered, agreed and consented to do things against their will that you literally physically forced them to do while resisted but were overpowred is evil. That's arguably a definition of evil or immorality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 08/29/19 8:05:53 AM #142:	By bringing up the rape culture i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you are trolling rather than genuinely believing ideas this incoherent. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:926690260] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>By bringing up the rape culture i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you are trolling rather than genuinely believing ideas this incoherent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/29/19 8:06:36 AM #143:	OctilIery posted... Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them. They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction. That's a no, sorry. Dodging again. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926690270] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them.</quote> They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction.</quote> That's a no, sorry.</quote> Dodging again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 8:06:39 AM #144:	joe40001 posted... It's evil to say "people who commit crimes should have an expectation that they'll be arrested"? Strawman no one said it's evil to arrest them it's evil to claim they are there voluntarily and consented to it. To claim they weren't abducted and went to prison by choice. That's a dishonest lie and dangerous Replacing "They volunteered " with "May be they could have expected consequences " is more dishonesty --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926690271] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>It's evil to say "people who commit crimes should have an expectation that they'll be arrested"?</quote> Strawman no one said it's evil to arrest them it's evil to claim they are there voluntarily and consented to it. To claim they weren't abducted and went to prison by choice. That's a dishonest lie and dangerous Replacing "They volunteered " with "May be they could have expected consequences " is more dishonesty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 8:07:13 AM #145:	.jumi posted... It is "necessary" in that srs generally improves a transgender person's mental health. Which is literally all it needs to warrant being covered. jumi posted... You feel one way, I feel the other. No, it's you are wrong, I am right. Simple as that. SRS is a necessary procedure and as such should be covered <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926690284] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>.jumi posted...</cite> <quote>It is "necessary" in that srs generally improves a transgender person's mental health.</quote> Which is literally all it needs to warrant being covered. jumi posted...</cite> <quote>You feel one way, I feel the other.</quote> No, it's you are wrong, I am right. Simple as that. SRS is a necessary procedure and as such should be covered</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 8:07:47 AM #146:	Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them. They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction. That's a no, sorry. Dodging again. No, just correcting you again. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926690302] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them.</quote> They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction.</quote> That's a no, sorry.</quote> Dodging again.</quote> No, just correcting you again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 08/29/19 8:08:43 AM #147:	UnfairRepresent posted... joe40001 posted... It's evil to say "people who commit crimes should have an expectation that they'll be arrested"? Strawman no one said it's evil to arrest them it's evil to claim they are there voluntarily and consented to it. That's a dishonest lie and dangerous Replacing "They volunteered " with "May be they could have expected consequences " is more dishonesty When you do something that is against the law you are knowingly risking arrest and if you are arrested you have nobody to blame but yourself. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:926690313] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>It's evil to say "people who commit crimes should have an expectation that they'll be arrested"?</quote> Strawman no one said it's evil to arrest them it's evil to claim they are there voluntarily and consented to it. That's a dishonest lie and dangerous Replacing "They volunteered " with "May be they could have expected consequences " is more dishonesty</quote> When you do something that is against the law you are knowingly risking arrest and if you are arrested you have nobody to blame but yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/29/19 8:10:49 AM #148:	OctilIery posted... Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Rika_Furude posted... OctilIery posted... Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them. They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction. That's a no, sorry. Dodging again. No, just correcting you again. That's a no, sorry. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926690345] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Knowing the consequences is not the same as willingly facing them.</quote> They willing committed the crime, and as a result willingly accept the consequences. It's like a transaction.</quote> That's a no, sorry.</quote> Dodging again.</quote> No, just correcting you again.</quote> That's a no, sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 08/29/19 8:12:47 AM #149:	OctilIery posted... . Which is literally all it needs to warrant being covered. Having a birthmark on a prisoner's face removed will improve their mental health. Should the prison pay to have a completely elective cosmetic surgery? No, it's you are wrong, I am right. Simple as that. SRS is a necessary procedure and as such should be covered It's a disagreement. Neither of us is wrong or right. It's an opinion. And not even a morally outrageous opinion like, "all people of [race] should be killed!" either. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:926690377] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>. Which is literally all it needs to warrant being covered.</quote> Having a birthmark on a prisoner's face removed will improve their mental health. Should the prison pay to have a completely elective cosmetic surgery? <quote>No, it's you are wrong, I am right. Simple as that. SRS is a necessary procedure and as such should be covered</quote> It's a disagreement. Neither of us is wrong or right. It's an opinion. And not even a morally outrageous opinion like, "all people of [race] should be killed!" either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/19 8:12:53 AM #150:	joe40001 posted... When you do something that is against the law you are knowingly risking arrest and if you are arrested you have nobody to blame but yourself. That's opinion The fact of the matter is that doesn't mean you weren't abducted, that you volunteered and that you consented lying and warping reality because "They deserve it" is evil . don't do it --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:926690381] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>When you do something that is against the law you are knowingly risking arrest and if you are arrested you have nobody to blame but yourself. </quote> That's opinion The fact of the matter is that doesn't mean you weren't abducted, that you volunteered and that you consented lying and warping reality because "They deserve it" is evil . don't do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/29/19 8:19:56 AM #151:	jumi posted... Having a birthmark on a prisoner's face removed will improve their mental health. Should the prison pay to have a completely elective cosmetic surgery? Not comparable. Try again. jumi posted... Neither of us is wrong or right. No, you are objectively wrong. Rika_Furude posted... That's a no, sorry. And Rika concedes defeat again. joe40001 posted... When you do something that is against the law you are knowingly risking arrest and if you are arrested you have nobody to blame but yourself. That still doesn't mean it's voluntary. Knowing the consequences is not accepting them. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926690529] in Idaho balk... [t:77960970]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Having a birthmark on a prisoner's face removed will improve their mental health. Should the prison pay to have a completely elective cosmetic surgery?</quote> Not comparable. Try again. jumi posted...</cite> <quote>Neither of us is wrong or right.</quote> No, you are objectively wrong. Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>That's a no, sorry.</quote> And Rika concedes defeat again. joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>When you do something that is against the law you are knowingly risking arrest and if you are arrested you have nobody to blame but yourself.</quote> That still doesn't mean it's voluntary. Knowing the consequences is not accepting them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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