Poll of the Day > 19 y/o Kid BOUGHT a GUN for his 17 y/o FRIEND to KILL HIMSELF!! Is he Guilty???

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19 y/o Duncan R. McElroy from Ohio is accused of HELPING his 17 y/o friend commit suicide by buying him a gun and ammo and has plead NOT GUILTY to murder!!

He was charged for the death of Ace Stenger who was found dead in Brecksville on July 12

Prosecutors said he bought the gun and ammunition and drove Stenger to a Reservation and then helped the teen SHOOT HIMSELF in the head 2 months ago..and he was RIGHT THERE with him when Stenger shot himself in the head!!!!

A judge banned him from using a cell phone,social media or computers and must wear a GPS and is placed on house arrest in a group home where he's living

Police were alerted when McElroy called 911 and told him his friend had killed himself as first responders found him besides his friend's DEAD BODY

McElroy had initially gold police that Stenger stole the rifle which he bought a day earlier from his car but then changed his story and said he BOUGHT the gun and gave it to Stenger and sat and watched as his friend committed suicide in person

They only just met 2 WEEKS before the teen died

He allegedly tried to help Stenger kill himself on July 8 but was unsuccessful

He is charged with murder, assisting suicide, improperly furnishing firearms to a minor and pandering obscenity involving a minor and falsification

Massachusetts Heifer, Michelle Carter, then 17 caused Conrad Roy III's death in 2014 when she told him to "get back in the car" and filled it with toxic gas to kill himself

Do you think this kid is just as guilty as Michelle Carter was?.

McElroy - Sick Freak





Stenger - Deceased



Michelle - In Prison


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mrduckbear posted...

Massachusetts Heifer, Michelle Carter, then 17 caused Conrad Roy III's death in 2014 when she told him to "get back in the car" and filled it with toxic gas to kill himself

I guess it is heavily simplified, but that makes it sound more like murder.

And yeah, suicide is legally a very difficult topic, but so are firearm ownership and improper use of one.
Unfortunately for him, if the narrative as presented is true, actual murder would be just as likely and just as provable.
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He is guilty of supplying a weapon but that's it. Someone in that frame of mind would probably have found another way to kill themselves whatever the case.
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wwinterj25 posted...

He is guilty of supplying a weapon but that's it. Someone in that frame of mind would probably have found another way to kill themselves whatever the case.

Not really an argument you can make. There is a difference between just handing someone everything they need to do it and expecting a depressed person to put in the effort to do it.

Guess I can't do this for kimbo.
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Guess i can't do this for bean
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I support Euthanasia.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Someone in that frame of mind would probably have found another way to kill themselves whatever the case.

Not necessarily. Whatever other method they attempted would likely have been far less effective and far easier to stop partway through than shooting themselves, and that's presuming they would even make an attempt without somebody there encouraging them. There's a reason mandatory waiting periods for gun purchases are associated with dramatic decreases in successful suicides.
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This is a tough case. Furnishing something that someone can easily and legally buy isn't much different than just giving them money.

Also, that girl's eyebrows.
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He stawman purchased a gun for a minor and actively participated in that minor's suicide. While I'm not sure about the merits of charging him with murder, the fact that he was a participant in the suicide means he should be on the hook for more than just illegally supplying a minor with a gun.

mrduckbear posted...

McElroy had initially gold police that Stenger stole the rifle which he bought a day earlier from his car but then changed his story and said he BOUGHT the gun and gave it to Stenger and sat and watched as his friend committed suicide in person

The fact that he sat there and watched is what makes the thing even more damning.

TomNook posted...

This is a tough case. Furnishing something that someone can easily and legally buy isn't much different than just giving them money.

Uh, what? The suicide victim was 17, he can't legally buy a firearm. He also drove the victim to where he intended to commit suicide and supervised the death.
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Hmm...if he just bought the gun, it'd be questionable. But the fact he drove the guy out there and helped him do it makes it seem more clear cut that he should be guilty of something.

mrduckbear posted...

He is charged with murder, assisting suicide, improperly furnishing firearms to a minor and pandering obscenity involving a minor and falsification

I feel like those two charges should REALLY be mutually exclusive... Either the victim was murdered, or he committed suicide (with the illegal aid/encouragement of the accused). It like...shouldn't be possible for it to be both.

There's not enough information here for me to draw any sort of conclusion about the situation. I'm in favor of suicide and assisting a suicide not being crimes for the most part, and if the guy genuinely thought he was helping his friend then I can't really fault him for it save to say that they should have held out a year. On the other hand, he may be a vile person who was in great part responsible for the victim choosing to commit suicide, but unless there are records proving that, there's no way he would admit to it.

The fact that he was present when his friend died suggests to me one of two possibilities. Either he was wanted to see it... or he was there for moral support because his friend didn't want to die alone.
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I don't think it was murder. Assisted suicide, yes. Though I don't know how I feel about it, tbh...

Between the two, I think Michelle is more guilty. Based on just what I know about each case...
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Gaawa_chan posted...

There's not enough information here for me to draw any sort of conclusion about the situation. I'm in favor of suicide and assisting a suicide not being crimes for the most part, and if the guy genuinely thought he was helping his friend then I can't really fault him for it save to say that they should have held out a year.

I'm in favor of assisted suicide too, but it should be somehing done by a licensed medical professional only. Otherwise you get cases where some guy helps someone commit suicide and you can't be sure if it was an act of mercy or some sicko preying on the emotionally vulnerable for some disgusting sort of thrill.

Anyway, in this case it says he only knew the victim two weeks, so I'm extremely skeptical he had developed much attachment and caring towards the victim...

Gaawa_chan posted...

There's not enough information here for me to draw any sort of conclusion about the situation. I'm in favor of suicide and assisting a suicide not being crimes for the most part, and if the guy genuinely thought he was helping his friend then I can't really fault him for it save to say that they should have held out a year. On the other hand, he may be a vile person who was in great part responsible for the victim choosing to commit suicide, but unless there are records proving that, there's no way he would admit to it.

The fact that he was present when his friend died suggests to me one of two possibilities. Either he was wanted to see it... or he was there for moral support because his friend didn't want to die alone.

Advocating assisted suicide for a healthy 17 y/o is fucking insane (and that's before even getting into the fact that he's a minor). Suicide is closely linked with depression and other mental illness and, as such, actually trying to help somebody who wants to kill themselves isn't a matter of helping them do it, but instead getting them the help they need. Suicide absolutely needs to be a crime because it gives the government a greater ability to intervene and save peoples' lives.

streamofthesky posted...

Gaawa_chan posted...

There's not enough information here for me to draw any sort of conclusion about the situation. I'm in favor of suicide and assisting a suicide not being crimes for the most part, and if the guy genuinely thought he was helping his friend then I can't really fault him for it save to say that they should have held out a year.

I'm in favor of assisted suicide too, but it should be somehing done by a licensed medical professional only. Otherwise you get cases where some guy helps someone commit suicide and you can't be sure if it was an act of mercy or some sicko preying on the emotionally vulnerable for some disgusting sort of thrill.

Anyway, in this case it says he only knew the victim two weeks, so I'm extremely skeptical he had developed much attachment and caring towards the victim...

Yeah, if anything, I'm tempted to suspect that the new "friend" may have helped steer him in that direction or killed him then tried to make it look like a suicide.
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Nobody should be forced to live, at any age, but there should be methods developed to help people who are struggling to resist doing so, and hopefully get whatever is causing them to want to commit suicide to stop.

I would argue that the right to life (or not life), is our most basic and universal right and nobody should be prevented from ceasing to exist.

I would put....qualifications in before actively assisting in a suicide, for instance a time frame (6 months after the initial request) and counseling (at least a few sessions).

It is legal, and assisted suicide methods are available in parts of the world, which means that it's money that primarily gets in the way if someone is serious.

Honestly if I was really trying to prevent people from commiting suicide, I would provide an assisted suicide program that requires a few months of commuity service, and counseling, which quite possibly could solve many of the primary reasons (a job..and exersize to help fight depression, someone with training to help with mental issues etc).

Commiting suicide yourself isn't easy, so if another method was available, it just required going through certain steps, it's quite likely many people who would have commited suicide on their own, would go through the process, and possibly not end up doing so by the end. I would imagine far more people would end up not dying, then the few who would end up doing so with assistance (legally).
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Assisted suicide. Yes, he is guilty. This is a no-brainer.
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