Poll of the Day > Trudeau wore brownface to a costume party in 2001

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That one single billboard wasnt racist. It stated they want to end mass-immigration. Immigration isnt one race or culture. As a matter of fact, they only want to reduce current immigration numbers by 50,000 per year, bringing it to 200,000 total. And nothing outside of the numbers will change. Filipinos, Chinese, Koreans and Indians will still come in at the same rate above countries like Japan.

And Im not saying youre unpatriotic because I disagree with your opinions; You havent stated any. Im saying what you said was anti-Canadian because you seem to disagree with everything listed there. And that entire list is pro-Canada. You cant argue that.
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The thing about zebatov is that you can just google his username and see all the garbage he posts on other sites.

But it wouldnt be a zebatov argument without making a comparison to Japan.

Your posts are never constructive.
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Who cares? It was a costume party the whole point is supposed to look like someone else.
And what, if you look black it's bad???

Anyway, people will be more forgiving of him because he's a liberal, even though it's not a big deal.. But can you imagine if it someone who wasn't a liberal? LOL
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Anyway, people will be more forgiving of him because he's a liberal, even though it's not a big deal.. But can you imagine if it someone who wasn't a liberal? LOL

pretty easy to imagine considering it seems like someone else is in the news for it every few weeks

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zebatov posted...

That one single billboard wasnt racist.

Sure it was.

Citation: it got taken down for being racist.

zebatov posted...

It stated they want to end mass-immigration.

Which is a bullshit dogwhistle term used by those on the far right, typically to discriminate against brown people.

zebatov posted...

As a matter of fact, they only want to reduce current immigration numbers by 50,000 per year, bringing it to 200,000 total.

Just gonna throw some math at you real quick.

250 000 sounds like a whole 'lotta people to be bringing in in a year... until you realize that Canada's population is 37 million. Meaning, 250 000 is less than 1% of the population. That is not an unreasonable number.

zebatov posted...

Im saying what you said was anti-Canadian because you seem to disagree with everything listed there. And that entire list is pro-Canada. You cant argue that.

Bullshit I can't argue that. That entire list is populist garbage that is absolutely bad for Canada. It's the same sort of garbage that the US is suffering under right now, and seeing the state of their country I'm not in favour of importing any ideas on governance from them at the moment.

Let's take a rundown, shall we?

- Pro-veteran - Meaningless sloganeering. All parties are "pro-veteran".

- Canadian values and culture - Also meaningless sloganeering. All parties represent Canadian values and culture. The ones that do so openly usually use it as code for, "Let's crack down on all the weird ideas those scary Asians and brown people keep bringing into our country."

- Ending open-borders - We don't have open borders. More anti-immigrant dog whistling.

- Reducing overall immigration and selecting skilled workers over non-skilled workers - Immigrants are not only good, but necessary for our economy. Like most developed countries, our native birthrate is not enough to sustain our population. We need immigrants to fill the gap. Nothing about immigration is harmful to Canada and suggesting otherwise is nearly always just xenophobic pandering.

- Pro-Canadian oil - Meaningless sloganeering. All parties are "Pro-Canadian oil", and I say that as someone who works in the oil and gas industry. Two successive governments of different parties have tried to get a tidal oil pipeline built and the Liberals are the ones that have actually come closest to success. Conservatives actually tend to be far worse for us to do business under, because their ham-handed attempts to ram through pet projects stirs up opposition. The Harper government fucked up so badly on Northern Gateway they basically turned it into a political hot potato that had zero chance of getting built, and their slipshod attempt to cut corners has set the Trans Mountain expansion back by years.

- Pro-freedom of expression - Meaningless sloganeering. No party has cut down on freedom of expression or expressed opposition to it.
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- Foreign policy - focusing on Canada - Meaningless sloganeering. All parties focus on Canada. And if Donald Trump's disastrous "America First" policies have taught us anything, it's that behaving like a self-centred asshole on the world stage is a great way to torpedo treaties and lucrative trade deals like the TPP, but isn't so helpful for getting new ones signed (the USMCA appears dead in the water, Trump's attempts to bully China into submission are biting his own economy, and he's left sitting on the outside looking in at the Pacific Trade deal, even as he attempts to negotiate the exact same benefits he walked away from that Obama successfully secured).

- Rejecting alarmism with global warming - removing the useless carbon tax that gets a tax on top of it. - Global warming is probably the most significant threat to the planet today and Bernier is an idiot for trying to stand in the way of ways to fix it (nevermind dubbing legitimate concern about it as "alarmism"). Study after study shows that carbon taxes are one of the most efficient, cost-effective ways to fight global warming. I get that nobody likes paying taxes, but in terms of all the taxes we have to pay this one is actually one of the most sensible.

- Making dairy products more affordable - cheese costs way too much in Canada. Because cheese is definitely a hot-button issue that will drive out the voters. This one isn't dumb, but it is pointless and probably not very smart politically, because it's going to piss off dairy farmers and literally no one else will care.

- Removing interprovincial trade barriers - one of Bernier's rare good ideas. That said, he's probably overstepping his bounds here. Interprovincial trade is something that mostly rests in provincial jurisdiction.

- Give provinces incentives to deal with long wait times for healthcare - as above. Good idea, but not really something the feds have many tools to implement.

- Respecting legal firearms owners and targeting criminals - Yes, because if there's one thing Canada (7th most guns per capita in the world) needs, it's more guns. This was dumb when the Harper Conservatives were bitching about it, it remains dumb now. Canada's regulatory regime is fine - if anything, it's probably a little too loose.

- Fairness in equalization payments - this is long overdue. Quebec doesnt need $3.5B dollars per year generated from our oil while rejecting a pipeline to transfer it there and accepting oil from Saudi Arabia. - Best of luck with the confederation crisis that would emerge from this one. Given the shitshows that were the Charlottetown and Meech Lake accords, it'd actually be really entertaining - in a morbid, "Oh God, they actually thought this was a good idea" kind of way - to see how this one would go down.
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Cacciato posted...

The thing about zebatov is that you can just google his username and see all the garbage he posts on other sites.

But it wouldnt be a zebatov argument without making a comparison to Japan.

Lmao his quora posts are hilarious
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Jen0125 posted...

Cacciato posted...

The thing about zebatov is that you can just google his username and see all the garbage he posts on other sites.

But it wouldnt be a zebatov argument without making a comparison to Japan.

Lmao his quora posts are hilarious

Oh, lord.
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I just can't stop being in blackface.
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darkknight109 posted...

lucrative trade deals like the TPP

Ahhh yes, the elite's sneaky underhanded path to world government where they maximize profit at the expense of a population of slaves. Much like NAFTA and the EU

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

I for one AM outraged by this. And it's worse than 40%. Now we have 5 parties on the national stage, that means anyone can slip by on 21% of the popular vote. Those margins narrow in places with strong regional parties like Quebec or Alberta. It's totally TOTALLY unacceptable. But I think that's what it's going to take: it's going to take a false majority of truly ridiculous proportions to wake people up.

And when the Liberals actually tried to move towards electoral reform, none of the parties could agree on what electoral system to use, so they just gave up and basically let the Conservatives have their way (that way being no change).

This is the only reason I hope the PPC gains some traction. It'll split the vote on the right, and it might actually make the Conservatives willing to look at some kind of electoral reform.
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Peterass posted...

Who cares? It was a costume party the whole point is supposed to look like someone else.
And what, if you look black it's bad???

Anyway, people will be more forgiving of him because he's a liberal, even though it's not a big deal.. But can you imagine if it someone who wasn't a liberal? LOL

I forgive him because its absolutely stupid to see this as racist. Why dont we see dark- skinned people dressing up as white characters as racist too, just to be fair? This is in the past and people are just too stupid and sensitive nowadays.
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

I forgive him because its absolutely stupid to see this as racist. Why dont we see dark- skinned people dressing up as white characters as racist too, just to be fair? This is in the past and people are just too stupid and sensitive nowadays.

Probably because there isn't a near-two-hundred-year history of dark-skinned people using whiteface to mock and denigrate white people in the west.
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OhhhJa posted...

Ahhh yes, the elite's sneaky underhanded path to world government where they maximize profit at the expense of a population of slaves. Much like NAFTA and the EU

I was going to respond to this, but it's honestly so ridiculous it does a better job serving as its own counterargument than anything anyone else could post.

dainkinkaide posted...

And when the Liberals actually tried to move towards electoral reform, none of the parties could agree on what electoral system to use, so they just gave up and basically let the Conservatives have their way (that way being no change).

Well, in defence of "the system", this is one of those annoying issues where everyone has "skin in the game", so arguments - even well-reasoned ones - are automatically assumed to be self serving. And not without reason - it's no coincidence that all of the parties neatly lined up behind the systems that gave themselves the most benefit (and about the only way you can tell someone isn't arguing out of self-interest is when they happen to be advocating a voting system that favours someone else's party).

The Conservatives wanted to keep things as-is because, in a country where 60-70% of the population are left-leaning, a FPTP system is pretty much their only hope of ever securing power.

The Liberals wanted ranked ballots which, not coincidentally, happens to be the system most beneficial to centrist parties, with the Liberals are more likely to be the second-choice candidate for both Conservative and NDP voters.

The NDP wanted true proportional representation, as that's the most advantageous option for smaller parties.

For what it's worth, I'm of the mind that prop rep is better than ranked ballots, but either would be a massive improvement over FPTP.

dainkinkaide posted...

This is the only reason I hope the PPC gains some traction. It'll split the vote on the right, and it might actually make the Conservatives willing to look at some kind of electoral reform.

Don't hold your breath. They never went down this road in the 90s, when the split between the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform/Canadian Alliance basically permanently locked the conservatives out of government; and four years ago in Alberta, when the Wildrose/Progressive Conservative divide split the vote hard enough to deliver the NDP the election, there wasn't even a whisper of electoral reform among the conservative camps (despite the fact that the NDP probably would have supported it, even though it basically would have de facto barred them from ever forming government in Alberta again).

The natural conservative reaction to vote splitting in Canada seems to be, "Dammit, the lefties are winning again! We have to all combine into one party to beat them!", instead of recognizing that multiple parties representing multiple different views don't necessarily (and shouldn't) fit under one big tent.
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Ferarri619 posted...

This is good
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darkknight109 posted...

I was going to respond to this, but it's honestly so ridiculous it does a better job serving as its own counterargument than anything anyone else could post.

Always playing the sycophantic pet for your wealthy elite. TPP and NAFTA are nothing more than a way to reduce tariffs so that's it easier to export business overseas to take advantage of cheap/slave labor. I choose not to support slave factories personally

I love everything about this story.
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i think the best-case scenario is that the libs squeak by with a minority and the PPC splits the conservative vote enough that neither them nor the tories get anything

if there's one thing about the right it's that you can always count on them to eat themselves between the ones who want to be respectable and the ones who wanna be full-on fash
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

if there's one thing about the right it's that you can always count on them to eat themselves between the ones who want to be respectable and the ones who wanna be full-on fash

I wouldn't say "always". Sometimes they do that before an election, and this seems to be one of those times with the PPC. Sometimes they get together and hash out their differences after the fact and we get Harper, or in the States Trump.
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@xjayguyx posted...

adjl posted...

He also welcomed tens of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees to the country over the past three years. Brownface isn't cool, obviously, but I'm a lot more forgiving of people doing racist stuff in the past when they've recently demonstrated that they've become a better person.

You saying Justin is a better person?

The word "better" is a comparative term. I'm going to give you a chance to read my post again and figure out who I'm comparing him to. That should allow you to answer your own question.
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