Current Events > Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home)

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so nice to see this jury went easy on this white woman killing a black man after learning she was indeed a racist
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Lol, 10 fucking years for murder.
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metallica846 posted...

Maybe he was always stamping around upstairs and she went to confront him about keeping it down.

What? No

Stop trolling ppl
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It would have been so much worse if the roles were reversed and a civilian did this to a cop.
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https://twitter.com/cassandrajar/status/1179512816623063040?s=19

why is a judge hugging a racist and convicted murderer? Why is everyone seemingly in a rush to forgive this woman? Did I miss something?

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White privilege on full display. I wonder if the woman will even serve half her sentence.
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she was a cop she will be protected her whole time in jail and she will get out in 5
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Strider102 posted...

It would have been so much worse if the roles were reversed and a civilian did this to a cop.

Hell, it would've been much worse if it were a black male cop killing a white female civilian.
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10 years and probation in 5 is an appropriate sentence for killing someone in these circumstances who is remorseful and is unlikely to reoffend

BLAKUboy posted...

Strider102 posted...

It would have been so much worse if the roles were reversed and a civilian did this to a cop.

Hell, it would've been much worse if it were a black male cop killing a white female civilian.

So should everyone get bad and long sentences then?

if they break into someone's house and murder them, yea.

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She should fucking hang.

Figuratively
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https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728
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BLAKUboy posted...

https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728

So should everyone get 34 years?

If your argument is the last person was overcharged, then yes I agree. Should not be over 5 from that simple description. If your argument is that everyone should get 37 years

BLAKUboy posted...

Strider102 posted...

It would have been so much worse if the roles were reversed and a civilian did this to a cop.

Hell, it would've been much worse if it were a black male cop killing a white female civilian.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

Somali-American cop, Australian-American woman.

12.5 years
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BLAKUboy posted...

https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728

Thats so fucked

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CruelBuffalo posted...

So should everyone get 34 years?

If your argument is the last person was overcharged, then yes I agree. Should not be over 5 from that simple description. If your argument is that everyone should get 37 years

You should get more time killing a person then killing a dog

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metallica846 posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Thats so fucked

Isn't killing a police dog the same as killing a police officer?

the point is: it shouldnt be
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Bad_Mojo posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

So should everyone get 34 years?

If your argument is the last person was overcharged, then yes I agree. Should not be over 5 from that simple description. If your argument is that everyone should get 37 years

You should get more time killing a person then killing a dog

I believe thats what my post said

CruelBuffalo posted...

I believe thats what my post said

I was just clearing it up. Thought you were asking if thats what they meant.

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Imagine if someone stumbled into the wrong apartment and shot the cop that lived there. He'd be lucky to show up without a wheelchair for his sentencing to life in prison.
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BeantownHero posted...

https://twitter.com/cassandrajar/status/1179512816623063040?s=19

why is a judge hugging a racist and convicted murderer? Why is everyone seemingly in a rush to forgive this woman? Did I miss something?

Stockholm Syndrome. I've never seen such a thing in all my days. Guyger would have shot her too if she were in the apartment.

All of this forgiving is not going to fix the systemic issue when it comes to black bodies in this criminal justice system. The cop that killed LaQuon McDonald only got 7 years.

I'm tired.

Tired.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Imagine if someone stumbled into the wrong apartment and shot the cop that lived there. He'd be lucky to show up without a wheelchair for his sentencing to life in prison.

He'd be lucky to have a sentencing.

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This is fucking stupid. She deserves way more time and I dont understand these people hugging and forgiving her. I dont think she even feels guilty about killing this man.

Im all for forgiveness but you have to earn it. Fuck outta here.

Fuck this

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BLAKUboy posted...

https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728

this is true America is a racist shithole
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yes it is. can't wait to leave.
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_ _ _ _ _ privilege
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brandunh11 posted...

MelzezDoor posted...

You're not seriously suggesting you need to know someone to have a motive to kill? People have been killed for far less. Following the case not the topic but facts were they WERE neighbors. The rest is speculation but not baseless.

No Im not suggesting that at all. I only mentioned that because you asked whether there was a prior conflict. The answer is no, and that answer is based on evidence from the trial. All other speculation is baseless.

Again, read through the topic. Theres plenty here that detail what actually happened.

Not sure why you're so against speculation. Nobody is trying to muddle facts or mislabel anyone. To say trial evidence accounts for everything that happened is tremendously lacking in foresight. Because there were no reports and she said so? I wanted to know possible reasons outside of what was mentioned that's all. And again, I am already following the case. How long are you going to tout the topic over other sources

Twin3Turbo posted...

Dude, the only motive we have (and quite frankly, need) is within the facts. She thought it was her apartment and went in guns blazing, expecting to take out the threat. Thats it.

All we need? You're awfully opposed to the idea she might have had another reason. It's not like I claiming statements as fact

metallica846 posted...

Maybe he was always stamping around upstairs

What I thought at first lol. Or something else that annoyed her and kept quiet. I mean deleting stuff probably means you're aware of what to hide.

MrMallard posted...

Let's get this jail-time !

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MelzezDoor posted...

Not sure why you're so against speculation. Nobody is trying to muddle facts or mislabel anyone. To say trial evidence accounts for everything that happened is tremendously lacking in foresight. Because there were no reports and she said so? I wanted to know possible reasons outside of what was mentioned that's all. And again, I am already following the case.

Because your speculation is does absolutely nothing but muddle facts of the case. We already know the answers to your speculative questions. There was an 8 day trial about it with 50+ hours of actual court time. Combined, the prosecution spent thousands of hours working on this case from every single angle you could imagine. They went through texts, emails, video footage, police records, etc., etc., and not one meaningful connection between Botham and Amber was made. We know how and why she was at the apartment. We know every move Amber made that entire day leading up to that moment. We know why she killed him and there hasn't been any real evidence to contradict the facts that we already know. If you were actually following the case, you would too. Speculation does nobody any good at this point. Your logic is akin to that of flat earthers. Even with all the facts in front of them, they're still speculating and touting nonsense.

MelzezDoor posted...

How long are you going to tout the topic over other sources

Point out which sources contradict the facts I've presented in this topic. None of the credible sources have any of your ridiculous speculation.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

This is fucking stupid. She deserves way more time and I dont understand these people hugging and forgiving her. I dont think she even feels guilty about killing this man.

Im all for forgiveness but you have to earn it. Fuck outta here.

Fuck this

she really doesn't, didn't even think she deserved to be fired
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Alexanaxela posted...

she really doesn't, didn't even think she deserved to be fired

She was probably wondering when she can finally start her paid vacation.
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brandunh11 posted...

Because your speculation is does absolutely nothing but muddle facts of the case. We already know the answers to your speculative questions. There was an 8 day trial about it with 50+ hours of actual court time. Combined, the prosecution spent thousands of hours working on this case from every single angle you could imagine. They went through texts, emails, video footage, police records, etc., etc., and not one meaningful connection between Botham and Amber was made. We know how and why she was at the apartment. We know every move Amber made that entire day leading up to that moment. We know why she killed him and there hasn't been any real evidence to contradict the facts that we already know. If you were actually following the case, you would too. Speculation does nobody any good at this point. Your logic is akin to that of flat earthers. Even with all the facts in front of them, they're still speculating and touting nonsense.

Since you're going there none of that proves she wasn't aware of his existence. Hell, it doesn't even prove they havent met. Dude lived there for several months dunno about her but I'd imagine at least years. I can name several people I've met that no amount of man hours or pouring through media would be able to tell. In this case the only other person who could tell us anything about it is dead. And no I'm not trying to muddle the facts you need to shut the fuck up with your accusations. If you don't want to participate in harmless speculation of shitty behavior then fucking don't.

brandunh11 posted...

Point out which sources contradict the facts I've presented in this topic.

why would I do that I wasn't arguing against the facts

brandunh11 posted...

None of the credible sources have any of your ridiculous speculation

that's why I'm doing it. Even if they did I'd still want to talk about it. Nothing wrong with that.

St0rmFury posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

she really doesn't, didn't even think she deserved to be fired

She was probably wondering when she can finally start her paid vacation.

lol. Careful though some people might whine to you about posting unsubstantiated stuff like this.

MelzezDoor posted...

Since you're going there none of that proves she wasn't aware of his existence. Hell, it doesn't even prove they havent met.

My point isn't that it's impossible that they've merely become aware of each other's existence by passing in a hallway or something. It's that there is no good reason to believe that they had ever had any meaningful interaction based on the actual facts that came out during the trial. This is what your initial post asked, and now your shifting the goal posts to "well they may have at least been aware of each other" which is entirely different. If we had any good reason to believe that they had met in any meaningful way, it would have come out during the trial.

MelzezDoor posted...

Dude lived there for several months dunno about her but I'd imagine at least years.

This proves that you didn't follow the trial the way you said you did. Facts such as how long they lived in the complex have already been gone over multiple times during the trial. I even mentioned Guyger's tenure in one of my posts in this very topic which you keep ignoring. Educate yourself on the facts and it'll become apparent why your speculation makes you look silly once juxtaposed next to the known facts.

MelzezDoor posted...

And no I'm not trying to muddle the facts you need to shut the fuck up with your accusations.

I didn't accuse you of doing it on purpose, but that's exactly the effect your speculation has. You're literally speculating on questions which we already know the answers to. It's pointless and does nothing but hinder anyone who's actually trying to educate themselves about the case.


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MelzezDoor posted...

lol. Careful though some people might whine to you about posting unsubstantiated stuff like this.

.....Alexanexela's statement is a true statement. She didn't think she deserved to be fired which is why she appealed the decision. StormFury's comment was merely a joke in response. If you really can't tell the difference between what he said and what you've said then there really is no helping you.

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brandunh11 posted...

My point isn't that it's impossible that they've merely become aware of each other's existence by passing in a hallway or something. It's that there is no good reason to believe that they had ever had any meaningful interaction based on the actual facts that came out during the trial. This is what your initial post asked, and now your shifting the goal posts to "well they may have at least been aware of each other" which is entirely different. If we had any good reason to believe that they had met in any meaningful way, it would have come out during the trial.

If anyone is shifting goal posts it's you for changing to "no meaning interaction" instead of flat out denying the possibility. Don't blame me for your poor command over English language. My last post lines up with my initial one as the impossibility of it could not be backed up.

brandunh11 posted...

This proves that you didn't follow the trial the way you said you did. Facts such as how long they lived in the complex have already been gone over multiple times during the trial. I even mentioned Guyger's tenure in one of my posts in this very topic which you keep ignoring. Educate yourself on the facts and it'll become apparent why your speculation makes you look silly once juxtaposed next to the known facts.

Remind me, in what way? As you're coming up with some bs interpretation of my posts also look up what proof and evidence means cuz you're throwing these terms around without a clue what they mean. Pointing out a fact irrelevant to the discussion I was pursuing doesnt mean anything.

brandunh11 posted...

I didn't accuse you of doing it on purpose, but that's exactly the effect your speculation has. You're literally speculating on questions which we already know the answers to. It's pointless and does nothing but hinder anyone who's actually trying to educate themselves about the case.

How is it hindering anybody? You're always on about reading the topic so you know the posts are already there as well as everyone else. They know to read previous pages so I dunno what the hell you're on about thinking my question is going to somehow mix up what already has been posted. Might I suggest a career in journalism? You can write your own articles you can edit yourself because a public fucking forum is not the place for it.

brandunh11 posted...

.....Alexanexela's statement is a true statement. She didn't think she deserved to be fired which is why she appealed the decision. StormFury's comment was merely a joke in response. If you really can't tell the difference between what he said and what you've said then there really is no helping you.

I wasn't referring to Alexanaxela's post. No need to make shit up. StormFury's was a joke but mine wasn't? Your bias is showing itself.

*Sigh* Let's go back to your first post in this topic.

MelzezDoor posted... Now that we can (officially) call it murder what motive could she have had for murdering him? Prior conflict? Noisy neighbor? Racism or not feels like there must have been another reason.

We already know her motive for killing him and exactly how/why it happened. If you actually followed the case, you would too. If there was any other credible reason for her killing him, the prosecution (who spent thousands of man hours on this case) would have brought it up and backed it up with facts. None of your proposed alternatives have any amount of credible evidence to back them up. Literally zero evidence. You bringing up other alternatives and then suggesting that some alternative *must* be her true reason for killing him does nothing but muddle the facts for anyone uneducated on the case, which is a hindrance to anyone attempting to learn more about the case. My position is backed by facts and evidence brought out during the trial. Your position is literally nothing but baseless speculation about facts which aren't in question. Nobody but the low IQ people are confused about this.

MelzezDoor posted...

I can name several people I've met that no amount of man hours or pouring through media would be able to tell. In this case the only other person who could tell us anything about it is dead.

Right here is where you tried to shift the goal posts. Your whole argument went from "there must be another reason she killed him", suggesting they actually knew each other or had some prior interaction, to "you can't prove that they weren't aware of each others existence". I mean yeah, it's possible they might have passed each other in the hallway and became aware of each other existence. But now what? How is this helpful or have anything to do with the case? It doesn't. The prosecution already worked that angle and they didn't find anything useful or relevant so we have to rely on the testimony/facts brought up during the case. All indication is that they didn't know each other at all. Any speculation beyond that is contrary to facts.

MelzezDoor posted...

I wasn't referring to Alexanaxela's post. No need to make shit up. StormFury's was a joke but mine wasn't? Your bias is showing itself.

.....What? I never said you were responding to Alex's post. I was simply setting up relationship between Alex's and StormFury's posts. I wasn't "making shit up".
And yes, StormFury's post was a joke. Anyone who's familiar with the "cops get paid vacation time for killing people" memes knows that his post was joke. Your original post was not a joke. It was a serious inquiry. For some reason, you're not satisfied with the factual answers.

Anyway I'm done wasting time on you.

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Thought the senseless bitching would never end. Oh thank god.

So anyways, what motive could she have had for murdering him? Seems like some believe she never saw him once the whole time there but I wonder if he saw her at some point. If I were attacked by an unknown assailant I dont think I'd ask why would you do that?. I'd assume they're there to rob the place.

CADE FOSTER posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728

this is true America is a racist shithole

Ehhhh there's some dishonesty on display.

Kelontre was a repeat offender with a history of muggings and bulgaries and showed no remorse for his actions

Going "Look how much time he got for intentionally killing a dog! Vs this one time offender who killed someone in fucked up circumstances and was remorseful" is gilding the lilly
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BLAKUboy posted...

https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728

why is the twiiter about the 34 year sentence isnt mentioning the time he got for killing the dog was 6 years and the rest of the years were for a long list of charges he had ?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

CADE FOSTER posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1179511866789449728

this is true America is a racist shithole

Ehhhh there's some dishonesty on display.

Kelontre was a repeat offender with a history of muggings and bulgaries and showed no remorse for his actions

Going "Look how much time he got for intentionally killing a dog! Vs this one time offender who killed someone in fucked up circumstances and was remorseful" is gilding the lilly

well yeah but she was also racist, offered very little aid after the incident, attempted to delete text messages and social media, and was soo remorseful she didnt even think she deserved to get fired
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