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Questionmarktarius
10/10/19 1:38:28 PM
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pls posted...
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I mean we aren't going to put up exhibits praising the Nazi scientists who experimented on people, even if America did obtain that information so it doesn't go to waste.

Incidentally...

https://www.museumofflight.org/Exhibits/Apollo


Uh the Apollo program involved rocketry but much more advanced in scope and scale than anything Nazis contributed to rocketry

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Tyranthraxus
10/10/19 1:40:09 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
So we're just supposed to ignore his contributions to cinema because he might have been racist?
His movies are kinda shit though.

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IShall_Run_Amok
10/10/19 1:40:50 PM
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So why is removing an exhibit equivalent to ignoring his contributions to cinema?

Exactly. Why would removing this exhibit stop a film school from studying him in context of film?

Why not celebrate someone else who isn't literally the most popular actor of his generation? Take this as an opportunity to educate kids on, say, Paul Robeson. You do want to educate the kids, don't you?
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Tmaster148
10/10/19 1:42:30 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
IShall_Run_Amok posted...
So why is removing an exhibit equivalent to ignoring his contributions to cinema?

Exactly. Why would removing this exhibit stop a film school from studying him in context of film?

Why not celebrate someone else who isn't literally the most popular actor of his generation? Take this as an opportunity to educate kids on, say, Paul Robeson. You do want to educate the kids, don't you?


We don't need exhibits for racists to teach children.
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Questionmarktarius
10/10/19 1:42:57 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
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So we're just supposed to ignore his contributions to cinema because he might have been racist?
His movies are kinda shit though.

Low budget 50s westerns just did that.

Drive everyone out to some abandoned nuclear testing range in the desert.
Build a cheap "old west town" set.
Roll cameras.
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pls
10/10/19 1:43:17 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
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Would you have a John Wayne statue on your lawn? If not, why on the campus where your kid goes to school?

i think there are probably a lot of things on a college campus that i wouldn't want on my front lawn


Like a statue of someone who said that other races are inferior?
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spudger
10/10/19 1:46:35 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
To be fair, he was pretty racist.

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pls
10/10/19 1:49:44 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
In about 20 years it's gonna be "This [celebrity] walked into my house and didn't take his shoes off. Here is a photo proving it." And that will be enough to get people to take down pictures, stop playing their music/movies, etc.


I think a slippery slope is unwarranted here, especially since John Wayne literally made actual racist statements and was a terrible human being in general. Why would you have someone like that on display as a statue?

This case is pretty clear. It's not like the students are demanding that Ben Shapiro be blocked from a debate because they dislike his opinions or something.
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spudger
10/10/19 1:50:19 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
In about 20 years it's gonna be "This [celebrity] walked into my house and didn't take his shoes off. Here is a photo proving it." And that will be enough to get people to take down pictures, stop playing their music/movies, etc.

no it wont. its clearly only happening to people with a history of racism/racist rhetoric
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spudger
10/10/19 1:55:02 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
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In about 20 years it's gonna be "This [celebrity] walked into my house and didn't take his shoes off. Here is a photo proving it." And that will be enough to get people to take down pictures, stop playing their music/movies, etc.

no it wont. its clearly only happening to people with a history of racism/racist rhetoric


Yeah and it didn't used to.

We used to be able to say "hmmm, I don't agree with John Wayne's point of view on this one particular subject. But hey, he isn't a criminal and he doesn't go out and hurt people, he was just giving an opinion, so I still respect him and the work he's done."

But now people can't seem to handle it anymore. And it keeps progressing in that direction.

explain exactly what we are supposed to get over when he literally admitted to be racist white supremacist
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Questionmarktarius
10/10/19 1:55:06 PM
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spudger
10/10/19 1:58:46 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
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fenderbender321 posted...
spudger posted...
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In about 20 years it's gonna be "This [celebrity] walked into my house and didn't take his shoes off. Here is a photo proving it." And that will be enough to get people to take down pictures, stop playing their music/movies, etc.

no it wont. its clearly only happening to people with a history of racism/racist rhetoric


Yeah and it didn't used to.

We used to be able to say "hmmm, I don't agree with John Wayne's point of view on this one particular subject. But hey, he isn't a criminal and he doesn't go out and hurt people, he was just giving an opinion, so I still respect him and the work he's done."

But now people can't seem to handle it anymore. And it keeps progressing in that direction.

explain exactly what we are supposed to get over when he literally admitted to be racist white supremacist


What do you mean? You don't have to get over the fact that you disagree. But we also don't have to tear the entire person and all his contributions down because we disagree.

people can still watch his movies.
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pls
10/10/19 2:00:03 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
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Like a statue of someone who said that other races are inferior?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patton_Monument_(West_Point%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memorials_to_Woodrow_Wilson


Get rid of them. Just like when the Israelites would clean house and get rid of idols and pagan gods by smashing up the statues and fertility shrines.
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Gafemage
10/10/19 2:03:54 PM
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damn i'm only seeing one post between 65 & 74
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Banjo2553
10/10/19 2:11:09 PM
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I'm of the mind who thinks history should be displayed and made freely available, rather than censored, lest we end up repeating the same mistakes.

So eh...I'd rather keep the display but make it known of his beliefs.
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Dyinglegacy
10/10/19 2:11:15 PM
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Gafemage posted...
Reminder that this was the speech that pissed John Wayne off so bad he was going to drag her off the stage & had to be restrained by six security guards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QUacU0I4yU" data-time="


She is gorgeous

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ledbowman
10/10/19 2:15:29 PM
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If you want to change the culture back to one that celebrates white supremacists without pushback, then put in the work like these kids
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Tyranthraxus
10/10/19 2:24:09 PM
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Yeah and it didn't used to.

We used to be able to say "hmmm, I don't agree with John Wayne's point of view on this one particular subject. But hey, he isn't a criminal and he doesn't go out and hurt people, he was just giving an opinion, so I still respect him and the work he's done."

But now people can't seem to handle it anymore. And it keeps progressing in that direction.


Because he got cancer and died in the 70s before racism was a serious political issue.

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Bishop9800
10/10/19 2:26:42 PM
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Fenderbender defending white supremacists. Must be a day that ends with "y"
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Hanky_Bannister
10/10/19 2:29:33 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Fenderbender defending white supremacists. Must be a day that ends with "y"

Basically
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Dyinglegacy
10/10/19 2:47:29 PM
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pls posted...
I think a slippery slope is unwarranted here, especially since John Wayne literally made actual racist statements and was a terrible human being in general. Why would you have someone like that on display as a statue?

This case is pretty clear. It's not like the students are demanding that Ben Shapiro be blocked from a debate because they dislike his opinions or something.


Deplatforming racist people, and removing their image from public view is a start. What people need to understand is that these changes may not be for us, but for future generations. Getting rid of it now may kneejerk people, but it's necessary for future children. If they grow up without racism or mentions of racism, maybe it will disappear. I notice it in my own son. He's 4, and we make sure to teach him that even though some people may look different, we are all people. There is no difference other than our appearance. When he speaks to people of varying races, he speaks exactly the same to them. It seems small, but I'm happy about that.

Thankfully, even though I grew up in a southern area, my uncle (god rest his soul) spent a great deal of time with black people in his younger years. He spent a large portion of his young adult life in a mental hospital, and his care taker was a was a black man. He spoke highly of him and other black folks, and that made all the difference to my young/impressionable ears, as opposed to the usual "they are all N words" most kids grew up hearing in the south.

This is a necessary change that needs to take place. Not just for us, for many of us are already stuck in our ways, but for those who are to come.

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spudger
10/10/19 2:48:25 PM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
going to drag her off the stage & had to be restrained by six security guards:

so hes a woman beater on top of a shit stain racist
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DarkRoast
10/10/19 2:49:22 PM
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We might as well just make it so that anyone born before 1970 is automatically removed from history.

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Paper_Okami
10/10/19 2:53:27 PM
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they're trying to get an exhibit removed not trying to get his films taken out of circulation you whiners

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thanosibe
10/10/19 2:53:43 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
We might as well just make it so that anyone born before 1970 is automatically removed from history.
Whew. That was close. Thank god my parent didnt decide to have kids earlier.

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mustachedmystic
10/10/19 2:53:47 PM
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Mclintock


for some reason, they play the hell outta that flick, on this, and charge.
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spudger
10/10/19 2:54:19 PM
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reeeeeeeeeeeee

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Villain
10/10/19 2:57:11 PM
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Weren't Cosby statues taken down after he was convicted of sexual assault crimes?

I know it's a way different issue but it's similar where we don't want to celebrate this former celebrity in any fashion.
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Smashingpmkns
10/10/19 2:59:14 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
We might as well just make it so that anyone born before 1970 is automatically removed from history.


Not everyone before 1970 was a white supremacist
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Caution998
10/10/19 3:00:02 PM
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Scooby Doo just lost his idol

oh raggy.
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spudger
10/10/19 3:00:53 PM
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Villain posted...
Weren't Cosby statues taken down after he was convicted of sexual assault crimes?

I know it's a way different issue but it's similar where we don't want to celebrate this former celebrity in any fashion.

idk if he had any but probably.

joe paterno had his ripped down after the sandusky debacle
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MudKip_Master
10/10/19 3:02:36 PM
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The War on White People continues v_v
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Blue_Inigo
10/10/19 3:03:05 PM
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This piece of shit doesnt need a statue. Anyone defending John Wayne might as well put on a Klan hood
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DarkRoast
10/10/19 3:03:24 PM
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Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police
Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha

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emblem boy
10/10/19 3:03:40 PM
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I get what fender is trying to say, it just doesn't make full sense to me.

Like, no one is saying to delete his movies or get in trouble for watching what he's done.

But gosh, if a school doesn't want to have a statue of someone at a location, it's not some violation of the ideology of free expression or whatever to take it away
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Tmaster148
10/10/19 3:04:10 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police
Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha


Oh look it's Miss False Flag defending another racist thing.
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spudger
10/10/19 3:05:02 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police
Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha

you conflate racism with morals?

fucking yikes
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Blue_Inigo
10/10/19 3:05:54 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police
Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha


Oh look it's Miss False Flag defending another racist thing.

This same "enlightened centrist" was defending Brett Kavanaugh and Scott Pruitt, corrupt pieces of shit who are clearly criminals. She loves to stand up for criminals
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DarkRoast
10/10/19 3:06:36 PM
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spudger posted...
you conflate racism with morals?

fucking yikes


Not at all.

I'm talking about their tendency to erase from existence anyone who did something reprehensible at any point in their life, regardless of context.

Fortunately none of them have any skeletons in their closet.


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Caution998
10/10/19 3:07:23 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police
Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha


Oh look it's Miss False Flag defending another racist thing.

This same "enlightened centrist" was defending Brett Kavanaugh and Scott Pruitt, corrupt pieces of shit who are clearly criminals. She loves to stand up for criminals


Brett Kavanaugh is an innocent man.
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Blue_Inigo
10/10/19 3:07:45 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
spudger posted...
you conflate racism with morals?

fucking yikes


Not at all.

I'm talking about their tendency to erase from existence anyone who did something reprehensible at any point in their life, regardless of context.

Fortunately none of them have any skeletons in their closet.


Do you ever get tired of idiotic hyperbole
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