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coh 10/10/19 4:23:30 PM #153:	John Wayne is an American icon. Fuck these people <cite>coh posted [p:928600526] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>John Wayne is an American icon. Fuck these people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/10/19 4:24:23 PM #154:	coh posted... John Wayne is an American icon. Fuck these people Japanese internment is pretty famous too. Should we give it honors? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:928600555] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne is an American icon. Fuck these people </quote> Japanese internment is pretty famous too. Should we give it honors?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/10/19 4:24:27 PM #155:	shockthemonkey posted... People go to ridiculous lengths to defend shitty people, its really weird to watch And the dumbest part of it all is that he was still exceptionally racist even considering his time period. There were people alive at the same time as him who thought he was super racist. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:928600558] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>People go to ridiculous lengths to defend shitty people, its really weird to watch</quote>And the dumbest part of it all is that he was still exceptionally racist even considering his time period. There were people alive at the same time as him who thought he was super racist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 10/10/19 4:26:26 PM #156:	coh posted... John Wayne is an American icon. Fuck these people White Supremacy certainly is one of the defining pieces of history of America so in a way yeah --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:928600623] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne is an American icon. Fuck these people </quote> White Supremacy certainly is one of the defining pieces of history of America so in a way yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/10/19 4:26:35 PM #157:	Tyranthraxus posted... [LFAQs-redacted-quote] And the dumbest part of it all is that he was still exceptionally racist even considering his time period. There were people alive at the same time as him who thought he was super racist. I don't know why people always try to defend shitty people of the past by alleging that everyone was shitty. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:928600629] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> And the dumbest part of it all is that he was still exceptionally racist even considering his time period. There were people alive at the same time as him who thought he was super racist. </quote> I don't know why people always try to defend shitty people of the past by alleging that everyone was shitty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/10/19 4:31:19 PM #160:	ClunkerSlim posted... Blue_Inigo posted... ClunkerSlim posted... "With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times. What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid Look, this isn't my reasoning. I'm not defending that line of thought. I'm just saying that was a popular line of thought at the time. In fact, it was a popular argument dating all the way back to the Civil War. So I don't judge people too harshly for having that attitude during that era. Keep in mind that Wayne was nearly 50 when schools first desegregated. So no, there weren't "plenty of educated black people." Up until that point most black people were dealing with substandard education. The black population as a whole didn't start catching up with the privileged white class in terms of education until the last decade of Wayne's life. No one forced him to think the way he did. Fuck em --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:928600775] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne</quote> <quote>His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, </quote> Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times.</quote> What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid</quote> Look, this isn't my reasoning. I'm not defending that line of thought. I'm just saying that was a popular line of thought at the time. In fact, it was a popular argument dating all the way back to the Civil War. So I don't judge people too harshly for having that attitude during that era. Keep in mind that Wayne was nearly 50 when schools first desegregated. So no, there weren't "plenty of educated black people." Up until that point most black people were dealing with substandard education. The black population as a whole didn't start catching up with the privileged white class in terms of education until the last decade of Wayne's life.</quote> No one forced him to think the way he did. Fuck em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LRodC 10/10/19 4:33:23 PM #161:	Wow. Racism = dead. <cite>LRodC posted [p:928600846] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Wow. Racism = dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnimeFan462 10/10/19 4:34:19 PM #163:	DarkRoast posted... Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha Lmfao This x10,000 --- Now Playing: Borderlands 3, Zelda Link's Awakening Remake, Atelier Lydie & Suelle, Atelier Lulua, and Mario Maker 2 Now Watching: Kimetsu No Yaiba <cite>AnimeFan462 posted [p:928600878] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals 1990s: Screw the republican morality police Liberals 2010s: Hold my kombucha </quote> Lmfao This x10,000</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/10/19 4:34:30 PM #164:	ClunkerSlim posted... shockthemonkey posted... People go to ridiculous lengths to defend shitty people I'm not defending anyone, I'm saying you have to frame these people in the proper context of history. The proper context is he was racist even for his time and many good people who were racist at the time later realized and admitted they were wrong. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:928600885] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>People go to ridiculous lengths to defend shitty people</quote> I'm not defending anyone, I'm saying you have to frame these people in the proper context of history.</quote> The proper context is he was racist even for his time and many good people who were racist at the time later realized and admitted they were wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/10/19 4:35:28 PM #165:	ClunkerSlim posted... hockeybub89 posted... ClunkerSlim posted... Blue_Inigo posted... ClunkerSlim posted... "With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times. What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid Look, this isn't my reasoning. I'm not defending that line of thought. I'm just saying that was a popular line of thought at the time. In fact, it was a popular argument dating all the way back to the Civil War. So I don't judge people too harshly for having that attitude during that era. Keep in mind that Wayne was nearly 50 when schools first desegregated. So no, there weren't "plenty of educated black people." Up until that point most black people were dealing with substandard education. The black population as a whole didn't start catching up with the privileged white class in terms of education until the last decade of Wayne's life. No one forced him to think the way he did. Fuck em I'm sorry. Are we all not taught by the society we live in? There are shit loads of people from his generation that were either never that racist or recanted their racist views as they, and society learned better. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:928600917] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne</quote> <quote>His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, </quote> Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times.</quote> What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid</quote> Look, this isn't my reasoning. I'm not defending that line of thought. I'm just saying that was a popular line of thought at the time. In fact, it was a popular argument dating all the way back to the Civil War. So I don't judge people too harshly for having that attitude during that era. Keep in mind that Wayne was nearly 50 when schools first desegregated. So no, there weren't "plenty of educated black people." Up until that point most black people were dealing with substandard education. The black population as a whole didn't start catching up with the privileged white class in terms of education until the last decade of Wayne's life.</quote> No one forced him to think the way he did. Fuck em</quote> I'm sorry. Are we all not taught by the society we live in?</quote> There are shit loads of people from his generation that were either never that racist or recanted their racist views as they, and society learned better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 10/10/19 4:36:06 PM #166:	Heh, yet again a bunch of kids wanting to tear down something that is valued by older people. This is all we see these days and, in the end, it's just yet another way for the youth to rebel against their parents and the establishment. That's all this bears down to and it's the same thing that's been going on for centuries, just taken on a new form. Nothing to see here. And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. He had opinions that minorities don't like which is quite a different thing...but nowadays we pretend it's the same. If anything, the ignorant way these folks are handling race issues just proves everything John said to be right...that "uneducated" people shouldn't be in charge. I see these movements as the same thing. Dumb people coming up with dumb ideas that they think will make change when there's no evidence it will and, if anything, will just make relations between the sides worse. MLK preached the two sides working together and everyone ignores that completely and just attacks the other side like they're the enemy because it's more exciting to do it that way. And, of course, if it's torn down, these people will celebrate like they accomplished something good. Just a goal to get people to pat themselves on the back for helping social issues while ignoring that they have no idea how to fix the real social issues that hurt people. I think these people just want to show they have power to force people to do things and to exercise it. It's a power trip more than anything. But, by all means, tear down John Wayne. I'm sure that'll solve the inequality amongst the classes. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:928600935] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Heh, yet again a bunch of kids wanting to tear down something that is valued by older people. This is all we see these days and, in the end, it's just yet another way for the youth to rebel against their parents and the establishment. That's all this bears down to and it's the same thing that's been going on for centuries, just taken on a new form. Nothing to see here. And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. He had opinions that minorities don't like which is quite a different thing...but nowadays we pretend it's the same. If anything, the ignorant way these folks are handling race issues just proves everything John said to be right...that "uneducated" people shouldn't be in charge. I see these movements as the same thing. Dumb people coming up with dumb ideas that they think will make change when there's no evidence it will and, if anything, will just make relations between the sides worse. MLK preached the two sides working together and everyone ignores that completely and just attacks the other side like they're the enemy because it's more exciting to do it that way. And, of course, if it's torn down, these people will celebrate like they accomplished something good. Just a goal to get people to pat themselves on the back for helping social issues while ignoring that they have no idea how to fix the real social issues that hurt people. I think these people just want to show they have power to force people to do things and to exercise it. It's a power trip more than anything. But, by all means, tear down John Wayne. I'm sure that'll solve the inequality amongst the classes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 10/10/19 4:36:46 PM #167:	The exhibit was put up because Wayne was a student of that school. It wasnt created solely for academic purposes, but to honor the man and take pride in him as an alumni. Perfectly reasonable to decide not to want to continue to give him that honor in modern society --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:928600962] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>The exhibit was put up because Wayne was a student of that school. It wasnt created solely for academic purposes, but to honor the man and take pride in him as an alumni. Perfectly reasonable to decide not to want to continue to give him that honor in modern society</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hotel_Security 10/10/19 4:39:06 PM #169:	Perfectly reasonable to decide not to want to continue to give him that honor in modern society It's perfectly reasonable to tear down a guy adored by millions and who was an icon because a bunch of whiny students with nothing better to do complain about it? There's absolutely nothing reasonable about cowtowing to a clueless minority who just wants to boss the establishment around. And there's nothing reasonable about giving in to this kind of pressure since it just means you'll get even more of these requests. Especially when most of the uproar is on the internet and none of these people have any real political power to effect anything. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:928601068] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Perfectly reasonable to decide not to want to continue to give him that honor in modern society It's perfectly reasonable to tear down a guy adored by millions and who was an icon because a bunch of whiny students with nothing better to do complain about it? There's absolutely nothing reasonable about cowtowing to a clueless minority who just wants to boss the establishment around. And there's nothing reasonable about giving in to this kind of pressure since it just means you'll get even more of these requests. Especially when most of the uproar is on the internet and none of these people have any real political power to effect anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 10/10/19 4:43:07 PM #170:	Hotel_Security posted... Perfectly reasonable to decide not to want to continue to give him that honor in modern society It's perfectly reasonable to tear down a guy adored by millions and who was an icon because a bunch of whiny students with nothing better to do complain about it? Theyre not erasing him from the history books. --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:928601208] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted...</cite> <quote>Perfectly reasonable to decide not to want to continue to give him that honor in modern society It's perfectly reasonable to tear down a guy adored by millions and who was an icon because a bunch of whiny students with nothing better to do complain about it?</quote> Theyre not erasing him from the history books.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KiwiTerraRizing 10/10/19 4:51:15 PM #173:	He was actually, and not quiet about it --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider https://i.imgtc.com/0EE5xDd.jpg <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:928601528] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>He was actually, and not quiet about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/10/19 4:51:56 PM #174:	Blue_Inigo posted... ClunkerSlim posted... "With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times. What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid This. We knew white supremacy was nonsense at the time. --- On the whole, I'd rather have a Marple Cinematic Universe. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:928601550] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne</quote> <quote>His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, </quote> Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times.</quote> What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid</quote> This. We knew white supremacy was nonsense at the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 10/10/19 4:52:24 PM #175:	Hotel_Security posted... And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. He had opinions that minorities don't like which is quite a different thing...but nowadays we pretend it's the same. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. Playboy interview, May 1971 I think your hand waving skills would be put to better use on some online propaganda blog instead of a dying game website jmho Edit: my bad I didn't read the entire topic because I didnt want to see CE in full glory but I see this has already been brought up...and then hand waved anyway --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:928601571] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted...</cite> <quote>And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. He had opinions that minorities don't like which is quite a different thing...but nowadays we pretend it's the same.</quote> I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. Playboy interview, May 1971 I think your hand waving skills would be put to better use on some online propaganda blog instead of a dying game website jmho Edit: my bad I didn't read the entire topic because I didnt want to see CE in full glory but I see this has already been brought up...and then hand waved anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/10/19 4:53:05 PM #176:	If he was racist by the standards of his day, he should be held accountable for it. It's that simple. Otherwise, applying modern standards to historical figures will inevitably make everyone reprehensible in one way or another. Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" is astonishingly racist by today's standards, but contextually he actually wrote the book to speak out AGAINST racism. Most of the modern DNC opposed gay marriage at some point, but times changed and they got better. By the accounts I've read, John Wayne was considered very racist for his day. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928601595] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>If he was racist by the standards of his day, he should be held accountable for it. It's that simple. Otherwise, applying modern standards to historical figures will inevitably make everyone reprehensible in one way or another. Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" is astonishingly racist by today's standards, but contextually he actually wrote the book to speak out AGAINST racism. Most of the modern DNC opposed gay marriage at some point, but times changed and they got better. By the accounts I've read, John Wayne was considered very racist for his day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/10/19 4:53:06 PM #177:	Hotel_Security posted... And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. Yes. He explicitly was. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:928601596] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted...</cite> <quote>And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. </quote> Yes. He explicitly was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/10/19 4:54:00 PM #178:	MacadamianNut3 posted... Hotel_Security posted... And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. He had opinions that minorities don't like which is quite a different thing...but nowadays we pretend it's the same. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. Playboy interview, May 1971 I think your hand waving skills would be put to better use on some online propaganda blog instead of a dying game website jmho Edit: my bad I didn't read the entire topic because I didnt want to see CE in full glory but I see this has already been brought up...and then hand waved anyway i mean look at his handle-hotel_security no one makes a shit name like that on a main --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:928601624] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted...</cite> <quote>And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. He had opinions that minorities don't like which is quite a different thing...but nowadays we pretend it's the same.</quote> I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. Playboy interview, May 1971 I think your hand waving skills would be put to better use on some online propaganda blog instead of a dying game website jmho Edit: my bad I didn't read the entire topic because I didnt want to see CE in full glory but I see this has already been brought up...and then hand waved anyway</quote> i mean look at his handle-hotel_security no one makes a shit name like that on a main</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 10/10/19 4:54:37 PM #179:	I think your hand waving skills would be put to better use on some online propaganda blog instead of a dying game website jmho As would your pearl-clutching skills. Are you sure you're not choking yourself with that thing by now? Spare me your fake outrage. I wasn't even supporting what he said but heaven forbid you actually read. Most of the modern DNC opposed gay marriage at some point, but times changed and they got better. It has? Back in the day they said they were against it and did nothing to help. Now they say they're in favor of it and do nothing to help. - And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. -Yes. He explicitly was. Great explanation, kid. Clearly you don't know what I mean either. -i mean look at his handle-hotel_security -no one makes a shit name like that on a main Yeah, cuz everyone has alts that are in Sage status. Try to think before you mindless stuff people into a category so you can pretend to know how they think. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:928601649] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>I think your hand waving skills would be put to better use on some online propaganda blog instead of a dying game website jmho As would your pearl-clutching skills. Are you sure you're not choking yourself with that thing by now? Spare me your fake outrage. I wasn't even supporting what he said but heaven forbid you actually read. Most of the modern DNC opposed gay marriage at some point, but times changed and they got better. It has? Back in the day they said they were against it and did nothing to help. Now they say they're in favor of it and do nothing to help. - And, as usual, the guys wasn't a "racist" by the traditional term. -Yes. He explicitly was. Great explanation, kid. Clearly you don't know what I mean either. -i mean look at his handle-hotel_security -no one makes a shit name like that on a main Yeah, cuz everyone has alts that are in Sage status. Try to think before you mindless stuff people into a category so you can pretend to know how they think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 10/10/19 4:55:03 PM #180:	Cancel culture at it again. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:928601669] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Cancel culture at it again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/10/19 4:56:10 PM #181:	ClunkerSlim posted... OctilIery posted... ClunkerSlim posted... shockthemonkey posted... People go to ridiculous lengths to defend shitty people I'm not defending anyone, I'm saying you have to frame these people in the proper context of history. The proper context is he was racist even for his time and many good people who were racist at the time later realized and admitted they were wrong. Wayne died in '79 from cancer. We have no idea how his attitudes might have changed if he had lived another 10 years or longer. But generally, most people in their 70s don't change their world view. Yeah, no, by the 70s he was still holding shockingly racist viewpoints even for his time. ClunkerSlim posted... I'm sorry. Are we all not taught by the society we live in? There are shit loads of people from his generation that were either never that racist or recanted their racist views as they, and society learned better. Exactly, society progressed, people learned. You can't take 40 years of progression and then retroactively apply it to the past. It's like calling someone a dumbass for not knowing trigonometry in kindergarten. There were progressive people in the 60s who believed in straight up equality. But that's why we call them "progressives." They weren't exactly the norm. Was Wayne wrong in his views? Yes. But he shared that in common with most of his peers in the 50s/60s. No, his views were racist even by the standards of his time. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:928601713] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>People go to ridiculous lengths to defend shitty people</quote> I'm not defending anyone, I'm saying you have to frame these people in the proper context of history.</quote> The proper context is he was racist even for his time and many good people who were racist at the time later realized and admitted they were wrong.</quote> Wayne died in '79 from cancer. We have no idea how his attitudes might have changed if he had lived another 10 years or longer. But generally, most people in their 70s don't change their world view.</quote> Yeah, no, by the 70s he was still holding shockingly racist viewpoints even for his time. ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><quote><quote>I'm sorry. Are we all not taught by the society we live in?</quote> There are shit loads of people from his generation that were either never that racist or recanted their racist views as they, and society learned better.</quote> Exactly, society progressed, people learned. You can't take 40 years of progression and then retroactively apply it to the past. It's like calling someone a dumbass for not knowing trigonometry in kindergarten. There were progressive people in the 60s who believed in straight up equality. But that's why we call them "progressives." They weren't exactly the norm. Was Wayne wrong in his views? Yes. But he shared that in common with most of his peers in the 50s/60s.</quote> No, his views were racist even by the standards of his time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/10/19 4:56:35 PM #183:	https://www.scribd.com/embeds/400000677/content Thirty years later, and he'd be a typical 4channer. Probably also a couple dozen gamefaqs alts. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:928601733] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>https://www.scribd.com/embeds/400000677/content Thirty years later, and he'd be a typical 4channer. Probably also a couple dozen gamefaqs alts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 10/10/19 4:57:04 PM #184:	The Admiral posted... Cancel culture at it again. Logical culture. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:928601752] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Cancel culture at it again.</quote> Logical culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 10/10/19 4:58:28 PM #186:	The Admiral posted... Cancel culture at it again. Many times it's taken too far. But, for example, Andrew Jackson had deplorable views about Native Americans that were considered extreme even in his day. Removing him from currency was absolutely the right thing to do. John Wayne was openly racist in a time where progress was being made and those opinions never changed. He should've been called out then, and he is justifyingly being called out now. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928601792] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted... </cite> <quote>Cancel culture at it again.</quote> Many times it's taken too far. But, for example, Andrew Jackson had deplorable views about Native Americans that were considered extreme even in his day. Removing him from currency was absolutely the right thing to do. John Wayne was openly racist in a time where progress was being made and those opinions never changed. He should've been called out then, and he is justifyingly being called out now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 10/10/19 4:59:44 PM #187:	John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:928601832] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 10/10/19 5:00:41 PM #188:	Logical culture. There's nothing logical about these movements. People pretending to think they're doing good when it will change nothing. Folks have no idea how to really improve race relations so they come up with these dumb gimmicks as a way to "help." And, in most cases, it's white folks trying to do this so they can show all the minorities how sensitive they are. Meanwhile the minorities just roll their eyes at the pandering and know that these white kids just don't get it. Like tearing down a statue is going to fix anything. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:928601867] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Logical culture. There's nothing logical about these movements. People pretending to think they're doing good when it will change nothing. Folks have no idea how to really improve race relations so they come up with these dumb gimmicks as a way to "help." And, in most cases, it's white folks trying to do this so they can show all the minorities how sensitive they are. Meanwhile the minorities just roll their eyes at the pandering and know that these white kids just don't get it. Like tearing down a statue is going to fix anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 10/10/19 5:00:50 PM #189:	PleaseClap posted... John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? But 1971 was forever ago I don't know anyone from that time who is still alive and not in a nursing home or dead --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:928601876] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> But 1971 was forever ago I don't know anyone from that time who is still alive and not in a nursing home or dead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnimeFan462 10/10/19 5:01:33 PM #190:	PleaseClap posted... John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? WS back then has a different meaning than today. --- Now Playing: Borderlands 3, Zelda Link's Awakening Remake, Atelier Lydie & Suelle, Atelier Lulua, and Mario Maker 2 Now Watching: Kimetsu No Yaiba <cite>AnimeFan462 posted [p:928601896] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> WS back then has a different meaning than today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/10/19 5:02:14 PM #191:	AnimeFan462 posted... WS back then has a different meaning than today. No, it really doesn't. It means exactly what it sounds like, the belief that your race is superior to another. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928601917] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>AnimeFan462 posted... </cite> <quote>WS back then has a different meaning than today.</quote> No, it really doesn't. It means exactly what it sounds like, the belief that your race is superior to another. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 10/10/19 5:02:19 PM #192:	Hotel_Security posted... --- https://i.imgtc.com/eMQvkRJ.png https://i.imgtc.ws/l86HyIt.png <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:928601923] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted...</cite> <quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 10/10/19 5:03:13 PM #193:	MacadamianNut3 posted... PleaseClap posted... John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? But 1971 was forever ago I don't know anyone from that time who is still alive and not in a nursing home or dead Just about everybody in power was alive back then. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:928601968] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> But 1971 was forever ago I don't know anyone from that time who is still alive and not in a nursing home or dead</quote> Just about everybody in power was alive back then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 10/10/19 5:03:29 PM #194:	People defending racists under the veil of the "product of their time" bullshit is usually just ignorant people being ignorant. White people think everyone was acceptably racist prior to 1980 for some reason. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:928601979] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>People defending racists under the veil of the "product of their time" bullshit is usually just ignorant people being ignorant. White people think everyone was acceptably racist prior to 1980 for some reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 10/10/19 5:03:30 PM #195:	AnimeFan462 posted... PleaseClap posted... John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? WS back then has a different meaning than today. Which was.....? --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:928601981] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>AnimeFan462 posted...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> WS back then has a different meaning than today.</quote> Which was.....?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/10/19 5:04:08 PM #196:	hilarious and pathetic seeing the usual suspects waddle in to defend him --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:928602010] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>hilarious and pathetic seeing the usual suspects waddle in to defend him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 10/10/19 5:04:17 PM #197:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvE5oX-Fso" data-time=" --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider https://i.imgtc.com/0EE5xDd.jpg <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:928602017] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvE5oX-Fso" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacadamianNut3 10/10/19 5:04:37 PM #199:	Intro2Logic posted... Just about everybody in power was alive back then. I was being sarcastic and onlypretending.jpg to be as dumb as Hotel and Admiral, or the genius who brought up the Civil War --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:928602029] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Just about everybody in power was alive back then.</quote> I was being sarcastic and onlypretending.jpg to be as dumb as Hotel and Admiral, or the genius who brought up the Civil War</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/10/19 5:06:48 PM #200:	ClunkerSlim posted... hockeybub89 posted... ClunkerSlim posted... Blue_Inigo posted... ClunkerSlim posted... "With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times. What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid Look, this isn't my reasoning. I'm not defending that line of thought. I'm just saying that was a popular line of thought at the time. In fact, it was a popular argument dating all the way back to the Civil War. So I don't judge people too harshly for having that attitude during that era. Keep in mind that Wayne was nearly 50 when schools first desegregated. So no, there weren't "plenty of educated black people." Up until that point most black people were dealing with substandard education. The black population as a whole didn't start catching up with the privileged white class in terms of education until the last decade of Wayne's life. No one forced him to think the way he did. Fuck em I'm sorry. Are we all not taught by the society we live in? And yet how many different views are there in a society at any given time? Lots of people change from the views that were literally taught to them by parents or school or religion or whatever. You choose what you believe. There's no indication that John Wayne was coerced into thinking a certain way throughout his life or that he ever changed for the better. We were a far cry from cavemen in the 20th Century. At some point we can't just keep writing off deplorable views in history as "Product of the time. Everyone thought like that! No one knew different or better!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:928602116] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>ClunkerSlim posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people." - John Wayne</quote> <quote>His three wives, one of Spanish American descent and two of Hispanic descent, </quote> Is that quote pretty horrifying? Sure. Unfortunately it was also a pretty common line of thought in the 60s. Many white people thought that inequality in education, housing, and income had made the black population unable to fit into "white society." It was stupid. But it was less about hardcore racism and more a general fear of not knowing how true equality was going to work or what it would mean. In that way, John Wayne was less of a racist and more just a man of his times.</quote> What the hell? His shitty reasoning is full of all kinds of holes. There were plenty of educated, intelligent black people. How can you look at that and think that somehow justifies his idea of "white supremacy"? What he's saying is blatant racism Goddamn your post is stupid</quote> Look, this isn't my reasoning. I'm not defending that line of thought. I'm just saying that was a popular line of thought at the time. In fact, it was a popular argument dating all the way back to the Civil War. So I don't judge people too harshly for having that attitude during that era. Keep in mind that Wayne was nearly 50 when schools first desegregated. So no, there weren't "plenty of educated black people." Up until that point most black people were dealing with substandard education. The black population as a whole didn't start catching up with the privileged white class in terms of education until the last decade of Wayne's life.</quote> No one forced him to think the way he did. Fuck em</quote> I'm sorry. Are we all not taught by the society we live in?</quote> And yet how many different views are there in a society at any given time? Lots of people change from the views that were literally taught to them by parents or school or religion or whatever. You choose what you believe. There's no indication that John Wayne was coerced into thinking a certain way throughout his life or that he ever changed for the better. We were a far cry from cavemen in the 20th Century. At some point we can't just keep writing off deplorable views in history as "Product of the time. Everyone thought like that! No one knew different or better!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/10/19 5:08:25 PM #201:	AnimeFan462 posted... PleaseClap posted... John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? WS back then has a different meaning than today. There was never a time where non-whites were too stupid to do anything important. That implies that race matters. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:928602176] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>AnimeFan462 posted...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> WS back then has a different meaning than today.</quote> There was never a time where non-whites were too stupid to do anything important. That implies that race matters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/10/19 5:10:43 PM #202:	AnimeFan462 posted... PleaseClap posted... John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist? WS back then has a different meaning than today. Even Ronald Reagan was telling Wayne "bro, stop" back in the day. They had a hell of a falling out in 1977 as well. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:928602258] in USC studen... [t:78076871]...</cite> <quote>AnimeFan462 posted...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>John Wayne: I believe in White supremacy CE: Yeah but was he really racist?</quote> WS back then has a different meaning than today.</quote> Even Ronald Reagan was telling Wayne "bro, stop" back in the day. They had a hell of a falling out in 1977 as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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