Current Events > 'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to their original sex

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viewmaster_pi posted...

it is extremely offensive to consider transgenderism a parallel of any sort to any mental disorder

Too bad its currently considered one for a little while longer. A mental disorder that is, by the World Health Organization. But we cant let facts get in the way of false gamefaqs realities.

Agnostic420 posted...

But we cant let facts get in the way of false gamefaqs realities.

Exactly, buster, so you can LEAVE your bigoted FACTS at the DOOR

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viewmaster_pi posted...

Exactly, buster, so you can LEAVE your bigoted FACTS at the DOOR

so the World Health Organization are all bigots? LOL. Snowflakes. Snowflakes everywhere! And its not even November.

s0nicfan posted...

0.005% of the population has GID, not that percent of trans people

That's a very different thing lol.

To be clear, those seeking diagnosis and those who have the condition are likely two different things. Prevalence of diagnosis, especially with mental disorders, do not reliably reflect prevalence in the population.

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Agnostic420 posted...

so the World Health Organization are all bigots? LOL. Snowflakes. Snowflakes everywhere! And its not even November.

Absolutely. Doctors are right to fear repercussions for speaking out against transitioning.

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oh the op is about ftm.

viewmaster_pi posted...

Absolutely. Doctors are right to fear repercussions for speaking out against transitioning.

so a tin foil hat snowflake, very interesting.

Agnostic420 posted...

so a tin foil hat snowflake, very interesting.

if I don't want bigots harming our development as a species, why the FUCK would I want alien mind waves getting into my head??

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Lol

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viewmaster_pi posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

But we cant let facts get in the way of false gamefaqs realities.

Exactly, buster, so you can LEAVE your bigoted FACTS at the DOOR

You're somehow even more annoying here than you are on the Rock Band subreddit
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AwesomeToTheMAX posted...

You're somehow even more annoying here than you are on the Rock Band subreddit

damn, i guess shitty communities bring out the worst in people

e: for context, I have six comments over the course of a week, and one post regarding one of this week's songs messing up, soooooo there's not a lot to go off of if I'm so annoying and all. Considering I hardly post. But go figure, baseless slander from a member of one of the most two-faced, passive aggressive "communities" for a game I've ever had the displeasure of saying I'm a part of. I don't know who you are there, and I don't want to know, I'm just letting you know you're full of shit. Color me surprised.

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Lot's of shills and boot lickers itt. The mods are completely biased and trigger happy. Everyone know's this.

If you don't follow the same exact political persuasion as them then good luck.

dude, chill. it's only GameFAQs. mods aren't cops nor do they work for the government. at least not while on mod duty.

They should be cops because "know's" is an offense worthy of actual jail time imo
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Thoughts?

ban anime

AwesomeToTheMAX posted...

You're somehow even more annoying here than you are on the Rock Band subreddit

I loved Rock Band. Had so many dlc songs from Coca Cola caps back in the day. Probably had 500 dlc songs.

Man I miss rock band.

I have a brilliant idea.

Let's raise all our children to be gender neutral without any bias whatsoever because after all gender is nothing but a social construct.

Then they will be able to make a fully informed, certain and unbiased decision as to what gender they want to be and we will eliminate any possible regrets.
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Also today I learned to combine the terms tin foil hat and snowflake, which is kinda hilarious when you think about.
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paerarru posted...

I have a brilliant idea.

Let's raise all our children to be gender neutral without any bias whatsoever because after all gender is nothing but a social construct.

Then they will be able to make a fully informed, certain and unbiased decision as to what gender they want to be and we will eliminate any possible regrets.

Some schools and small countries have tried that. Boys still do "boy things" and girls still do "girl things" even absent those labels, and in some cases the gender divide actually grows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/well/family/gender-stereotypes-children-toys.html
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6412/eaas9899
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but they're much more likely to be doing those things because they want to, not because it's expected of them, no? enforcing gender neutrality is no less awful than enforcing traditional gender roles.
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Medussa posted...

but they're much more likely to be doing those things because they want to, not because it's expected of them, no? enforcing gender neutrality is no less awful than enforcing traditional gender roles.

Nobody is "enforcing" traditional gender roles if people are naturally drawn to them. If anything, trying to forcefully hide them is the only option of the two that requires active manipulation (which doesn't work anyway).
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yeah, that first half is not at all true. but, as I said above, forcing neutrality shouldn't be the goal either. let the kids find their own paths. most will probably find one that's pretty close to tradition, as those traditions are traditions for a reason. but some will find a path that takes from many traditions, and others might take a path that to an outsider doesn't fit at all. but all of those things are fine.
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paerarru posted...

Also today I learned to combine the terms tin foil hat and snowflake, which is kinda hilarious when you think about.

Amen.

Medussa posted...

yeah, that first half is not at all true. but, as I said above, forcing neutrality shouldn't be the goal either. let the kids find their own paths. most will probably find one that's pretty close to tradition, as those traditions are traditions for a reason. but some will find a path that takes from many traditions, and others might take a path that to an outsider doesn't fit at all. but all of those things are fine.

such as the tradition of not using toilets (like jesus didn't), some people still use that one.

s0nicfan posted...

So about 17,500 people in the US out of an estimated trans population of around 1.6 million, so closer to 0.13%

America does not have 1 million tran's people lol.
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ColdOne666 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

So about 17,500 people in the US out of an estimated trans population of around 1.6 million, so closer to 0.13%

America does not have 1 million tran's people lol.

I'm going off of this estimate:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/how-many-adults-identify-as-transgender-in-the-united-states/
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A 2017 Gallup poll concluded that 4.5% of adult Americans identified as LGBT with 5.1% of women identifying as LGBT, compared with 3.9% of men. A different survey in 2016, from the Williams Institute, estimated that 0.6% of U.S. adults identify as transgender.

US population is about 330 million, the 2018 CIA world factbook says that about 81% of the population is above the age of 15, so lets say 267,300,000 adults

267,300,000*.6% = 1.6 million adult trans people living in the United States
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lol
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Wewillrocku posted...

such as the tradition of not using toilets (like jesus didn't), some people still use that one.

and they're better for it

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s0nicfan posted...

I'm going off of this estimate:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/how-many-adults-identify-as-transgender-in-the-united-states/

Regardless of the particular estimate, your logic and number rangling are extremely flawed.

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COVxy posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I'm going off of this estimate:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/how-many-adults-identify-as-transgender-in-the-united-states/

Regardless of the particular estimate, your logic and number rangling are extremely flawed.

No, I'm pretty sure there are exactly right, but feel free to provide your own numbers if they're that far off.
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viewmaster_pi posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

so the World Health Organization are all bigots? LOL. Snowflakes. Snowflakes everywhere! And its not even November.

Absolutely. Doctors are right to fear repercussions for speaking out against transitioning.

I'm pretty sure doctors have more important things to do than pander to some imaginary SJW cabal. Why should anyone value the really strong feelings of upset laymen over literal doctors? Screaming about liberals doesn't suddenly make random speculation more valuable than expert opinion.

Politics have fucked up society so hard that the existence of LGBT communities and the expertise of doctors is viewed as some partisan political opinion rather than accepted fact vs ignorance and conspiracy theory
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ColdOne666 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

So about 17,500 people in the US out of an estimated trans population of around 1.6 million, so closer to 0.13%

America does not have 1 million tran's people lol.

Do your feelings tell you that?

Also, what exactly do people think screaming "They're a small minority! Most people are not even LGBT, let alone trans!" really accomplishes? When has marginalizing minorities ever benefited human society?

If there are 100 thousand or 100 million trans people, what difference does it make on how we should feel about them or how experts should treat their conditions?
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s0nicfan posted...

No, I'm pretty sure there are exactly right, but feel free to provide your own numbers if they're that far off.

I already explained it to you in the post you never responded to.

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COVxy posted...

s0nicfan posted...

No, I'm pretty sure there are exactly right, but feel free to provide your own numbers if they're that far off.

I already explained it to you in the post you never responded to.

You replied to me. I wouldn't call it an explanation. And you still haven't provided your own numbers.
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Ok.

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COVxy posted...

Ok.

That's what I thought.
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i must be a really weird case. i transitioned very well but i decided not to have surgery. i decided to stay in this limbo, this between-genders. i could never go back, or forward. i wanna be where i am.

i feel so bad for people who don't pass or who regret transitioning... that's such a hell to be trapped in, my god...
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s0nicfan posted...

That's what I thought.

I explained to you that the numerical comparison you made doesn't lead to the conclusion you came to.

But ok.

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COVxy posted...

s0nicfan posted...

That's what I thought.

I explained to you that the numerical comparison you made doesn't lead to the conclusion you came to.

But ok.

No. You said it didn't. You continue to refuse to explain how.

All I literally did was state that an extremely small portion of the trans community suffers from GID. You said IF the statistics exist (they do), then they didn't come to the conclusion I think, but my only statement was ever a raw statistic. Which you seen fundamentally unable to contradict.
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COVxy posted...

To be clear, those seeking diagnosis and those who have the condition are likely two different things. Prevalence of diagnosis, especially with mental disorders, do not reliably reflect prevalence in the population.

In other words, self reports of identity and prevalence of GID do not provide you with the info you seek, which is how many of those who self identify would not be diagnosed.

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COVxy posted...

COVxy posted...

To be clear, those seeking diagnosis and those who have the condition are likely two different things. Prevalence of diagnosis, especially with mental disorders, do not reliably reflect prevalence in the population.

In other words, self reports of identity and prevalence of GID do not provide you with the info you seek, which is how many of those who self identify would not be diagnosed.

So what's your argument? That it's 0.01% and not 0.005%? Because even if the rate is double the reported rate, you're talking no significant difference. Nearly zero doubled is still nearly zero.
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s0nicfan posted...

So what's your argument? That it's 0.01% and not 0.005%? Because even if the rate is double the reported rate, you're talking no significant difference. Nearly zero doubled is still nearly zero.

No, my "argument" is that the number discrepancy doesn't give you any info about the number you want to use to demonstrate your point...

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COVxy posted...

s0nicfan posted...

So what's your argument? That it's 0.01% and not 0.005%? Because even if the rate is double the reported rate, you're talking no significant difference. Nearly zero doubled is still nearly zero.

No, my "argument" is that the number discrepancy doesn't give you any info about the number you want to use to demonstrate your point...

But the "discrepancy" thus far is just you arbitrarily saying the actual reported rate must be wrong without any kind of source and without even proposing what the "real" rate must be.
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I'll make it pretty explicit:
People who self report trans identity (sr) = people diagnosed with gid (dg) + those with gid who haven't been diagnosed (ndg) + those who identify without gid (ing)

sr - dg = ndg + ing

Two unknowns. You cannot conclude what you want to conclude.

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COVxy posted...

I'll make it pretty explicit:
People who self report trans identity (sr) = people diagnosed with gid (dg) + those with gid who haven't been diagnosed (ndg) + those who identify without gid (ing)

sr - dg = ndg + ing

Two unknowns. You cannot conclude what you want to conclude.

No set of statistics in the world are valid under your insane "formula" up there since you'll never know the number of unreported individuals of anything. That's why we use available statistics in the first place.
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You use available statistics to inform you based on what they can tell you, not what you wish they could.

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COVxy posted...

You use available statistics to inform you based on what they can tell you, not what you wish they could.

And what they tell us is only an extremely small portion of trans people suffer from GID, because your nonsense made up formula above doesn't mean anything.
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No, that's what you want them to mean because then it falls in line with the conclusions you had already drawn.

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COVxy posted...

No, that's what you want them to mean because then it falls in line with the conclusions you had already drawn.

backed by data.
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viewmaster_pi posted...

AwesomeToTheMAX posted...

You're somehow even more annoying here than you are on the Rock Band subreddit

damn, i guess shitty communities bring out the worst in people

e: for context, I have six comments over the course of a week, and one post regarding one of this week's songs messing up, soooooo there's not a lot to go off of if I'm so annoying and all. Considering I hardly post. But go figure, baseless slander from a member of one of the most two-faced, passive aggressive "communities" for a game I've ever had the displeasure of saying I'm a part of. I don't know who you are there, and I don't want to know, I'm just letting you know you're full of shit. Color me surprised.

How is saying you're annoying slander? Lol that's an opinion. Not exactly a claim that you're doing something you're not

Meanwhile, you're claiming people who scorechase must be cheaters using exploits. That sounds like a prime example of slander
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