Poll of the Day > do we really need new consoles already?

(+) Yeah! (+)

i mean, i like shiny new consoles as much as the next wiener man, but, i'm still fine with my ps4, if i'm being honest. the visuals devs are still pulling off are still really impressive, at least to me (though i'm sure someone will contact ray tracings and get him to tell me why i'm wrong). i'm actually fine with my switch too, which is a considerably weaker console, ok?

i'm not entirely sure what the rush for new consoles is next year, but they'll be here, regardless, i'm sure, ok?
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Aculo posted...

i mean, i like shiny new consoles as much as the next wiener man, but, i'm still fine with my ps4, if i'm being honest.

Theres gonna be a new Wiener Man?!
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Mead posted...

Aculo posted...

i mean, i like shiny new consoles as much as the next wiener man, but, i'm still fine with my ps4, if i'm being honest.

Theres gonna be a new Wiener Man?!

wiener man rises
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Naw, we don't really need video games in the first place.
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darcandkharg31 posted...

we don't really need video games in the first place.

ok, thanks cap


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Aculo posted...

i'm not entirely sure what the rush for new consoles is next year, but they'll be here, regardless, i'm sure, ok?

Money is most likely the only reason. Its been about 6-7 years or so, though. So, theres that.

Aculo posted...

darcandkharg31 posted...

we don't really need video games in the first place.

ok, thanks cap

@CaptainObvius
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The real problem is the technology isn't there yet for them, but will be in just a few more years.
Switching to solid state drives etc is not really going to make any difference on the games we can play with the new consoles, in fact, you could just use external solid state drives and sell them if you really wanted to.

That being said large changes are coming with 5g, VR improvements etc, but they won't really start hitting for a few more years. 5g is just rolling out next year and it's going to be awhile till it really takes off. VR is going to get a huge boost from that as well, and we will see alternative ways of accessing it etc.

So if you release a PS5....in just 3-4 years after it's release you are almost going to HAVE to release a new console, and this next one is going to add almost nothing. It's silly and pointless and considering they released the PS4 pro not that long ago....a total cash grab.

The switch as well, might as well just wait a bit more, the advent of shadow or Googles play anyway devices are going to make the switch type situation mostly obsolete....or at least provide many other (and better) options before long.

In fact, the biggest reason I see for new consoles? They are afraid PC's and the new techs coming out in the next year are eventually going to make consoles obsolete all together. If you can play any PC game on your phone, tablet, random TV and eventually on your glasses, on a wall in front of you anywhere or even in hologram form.....why would anyone bother with consoles anymore?

So yeah, if they waited say 3 more years for PS5....there might not be an audience for it at all.
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wolfy42 posted...

The switch as well, might as well just wait a bit more, the advent of shadow or Googles play anyway devices are going to make the switch type situation mostly obsolete....or at least provide many other (and better) options before long.

Considering the switch being Nintendo with most games being exclusive, theyll be fine. Also, as we still dont know much about Google play or whatever, we have no idea of itll be big or not. Or if people will want it. The switch and other handhelds will be fine if they have exclusives, or game not on google play.

wolfy42 posted...

In fact, the biggest reason I see for new consoles? They are afraid PC's and the new techs coming out in the next year are eventually going to make consoles obsolete all together.

For this, I dont think thats it, either. As I said, the exclusives will keep customers coming to them. There are also people who prefer consoles to PC, so theres that. And Microsoft works with both, anyway. So I dont really see them being worried. I dont think anybody is worried about that...

wolfy42 posted...

If you can play any PC game on your phone, tablet, random TV and eventually on your glasses, on a wall in front of you anywhere or even in hologram form.....why would anyone bother with consoles anymore?

Because some people prefer them... I know I wont be making the switch to PC, as I dont like playing on PC. Nor do I like keyboard and mouse controls. And why would I buy another controller for another to use on PC, when I can just get the system, which also come with exclusives?

wolfy42 posted...

a total cash grab.

I agree with this, though...

wolfy42 posted...

So yeah, if they waited say 3 more years for PS5....there might not be an audience for it at all.

But not this...
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Why did the 3DS have to go? I still play with mine, but there's nothing new coming out.
:(
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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Why did the 3DS have to go? I still play with mine, but there's nothing new coming out.
:(

I still use mine, as well. And will most likely continue to. As not all the games have made it to switch yet... And not all will...
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LinkPizza posted...

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Why did the 3DS have to go? I still play with mine, but there's nothing new coming out.
:(

I still use mine, as well. And will most likely continue to. As not all the games have made it to switch yet... And not all will...

i still use mine, as well, ok?

but i also use my switch, ok?
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Google Stadia is gonna flop HARD

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also, I really learned my lesson with buying consoles early on. No games, too expensive, hardware issues and they always release a superior, cheaper version of the console like 2 years into its lifespan when it actually starts building a decent library.
so in my eyes, the ps5 isnt out until 2022

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Aculo posted...

LinkPizza posted...

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Why did the 3DS have to go? I still play with mine, but there's nothing new coming out.
:(

I still use mine, as well. And will most likely continue to. As not all the games have made it to switch yet... And not all will...

i still use mine, as well, ok?

but i also use my switch, ok?

Yep. Sometimes, I bring both my 3DS and Switch to work.
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No, we're good still. No need to rush into a new console, ok?
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

also, I really learned my lesson with buying consoles early on. No games, too expensive, hardware issues and they always release a superior, cheaper version of the console like 2 years into its lifespan when it actually starts building a decent library.
so in my eyes, the ps5 isnt out until 2022

Depends on the console. For example, while the switch lite is cheaper, I wouldnt call it superior, as its only have the console of the original. As for the Pro and X, it was 3 and 4 year respectively (IIRC), which would cost you on missing out for many of the games during that period. Which is ok for some, I guess...
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I am going with no, though I feel like diminishing returns is very much a thing even with the ps4 and x1, so i dont know what the newer consoles can really add to wow us at the current moment, since better graphics aint gonna cut it.

argonautweakend posted...

I am going with no, though I feel like diminishing returns is very much a thing even with the ps4 and x1, so i dont know what the newer consoles can really add to wow us at the current moment, since better graphics aint gonna cut it.

The better graphics would have to be basically real people to get any better... Though they sort of look like them no in some games... Or close to it...
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LinkPizza posted...

Aculo posted...

LinkPizza posted...

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Why did the 3DS have to go? I still play with mine, but there's nothing new coming out.
:(

I still use mine, as well. And will most likely continue to. As not all the games have made it to switch yet... And not all will...

i still use mine, as well, ok?

but i also use my switch, ok?

Yep. Sometimes, I bring both my 3DS and Switch to work.

you absolute animal!
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Hell, I still more or less prefer to play 16 bit games myself. Occasional N64 but 90% of my fun is had on SNES or Genesis.

Edit - not 32 bit, 16 bit I guess. Meh lol
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MS has been losing this gen badly and will roll out a new console whether others do or not.
If they're the only ones with a "next gen" console, they'll be able to dominate the market b/c most people are stupid and will buy something just because its newer and more powerful.
If Sony could just coast by another 5 years on their existing PS4 install base, releasing a few games each year alongside the third parties, they totally would. But MS is pushing forward, so they don't want to be "left behind."
(I'd actually be really interested what would happen if Sony didn't put out PS5 and tried to leverage "you already own a PS4, why buy Scarlet?" for a few years, then unleashed an actual next gen console that wiped the floor w/ Scarlet. Maybe it'd work out well?)

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Google Stadia is gonna flop HARD

I hope so! It represents pretty much everything I fear is gaming's future.
Last time I had such fear was the original Xbox announcement, that it marked the beginning of the end of the things I chose console gaming for b/c MS would try and gradually merge the features and drawbacks of console and PC gaming until there was no appreciable difference. And...I was right. :(

we really don't, not for another 4 or 5 years

but, money.
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Yeah. The current ones, minus the X, are not adequate. Everything is pretty much 30fps. I dont see why people get so aggressive about new hardware being bad. Its been 7 years (by the time we get new ones). Unless youre 10 and have cheap parents, whats the big deal?

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Google Stadia is gonna flop HARD

maybe
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Raddest_Chad posted...

Yeah. The current ones, minus the X, are not adequate. Everything is pretty much 30fps. I dont see why people get so aggressive about new hardware being bad. Its been 7 years (by the time we get new ones). Unless youre 10 and have cheap parents, whats the big deal?

because they aren't necessary and people can't see more than 30fps anyways
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Raddest_Chad posted...

Yeah. The current ones, minus the X, are not adequate. Everything is pretty much 30fps. I dont see why people get so aggressive about new hardware being bad. Its been 7 years (by the time we get new ones). Unless youre 10 and have cheap parents, whats the big deal?

The cost is a big deal to most people. Not everyone has a few extra hundred dollars just lying around. Especially since there's not much that really needs to change right now. We can wait a few more years until there is an actual need for new consoles. Years ago, 7 years was fine when we were making bigger leaps in gaming technology and such. Now, the technology for them feels like it's slowed down because they've done so well. They can also slow down on how fast they release new consoles. As I (and others) have said, it's just a cash grab at this point...

Especially if they go down that road streamofthesky was talking about. Which is what I wanted to avoid to. And with the release of these systems, it might be something like that. Which would suck...
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Even if Stadia flops, the tech is out there (Shadow even already exists), so all PC games will effectively be portable pretty soon (if they are not already).

Meanwhile the diff between PC and console games have pretty much evaporated and many if not most PC games now are better with a controller, not keyboard and mouse (but it's still nice to have the option).

Exclusives are great, but in general you need more then just exclusives to make a system sell, especially once you have SO MANY similar types of games on other systems/pc at this point.

I'm looking at this from a different perspective though, since I have a freakton of PS4 games that I have not played, because I have so many games on the PC I can never get through them all. Good games as well.....even great games, but it's just more convienent for me to play my PC games....and I'm still using a laptop (usually conected to my huge 4k tv). If I had shadow, or the new stadia and could play em on my phone on my ipad etc.....it wouldn't actually make much difference as I don't go out much, but it would for many other people.

I'm holding off on getting borderlands 3, since just doing that makes getting Stadia free basically and I get to test it out, play other games etc. On my flight back from NY I sat next to someone who uses shadow....since he travels all the time, and he had nothing but good things to say about it.

So yeah, I get the whole PC vs Console thing in the past (I was always a both person, liking every system with a decent number of games I enjoy). Xbox one is the first primary system I didn't get in fact (just no games I really wanted to play.....sunset overdrive being the exception but it came out for pc eventually).

I don't see it being as much of a thing. PS and Nintendo might eventually get enough exclusives to make it worth a purchase...especially if they actually release systems next year, but 3-4 years from now? I just can't see there not being so many games of the same type available on PC, that you can play anywhere, with a very cheap system even....that it would make sense to buy a console.

Shadow and Stadiea both require extremely low specs, you can buy comps for $100 today to be able to play ANY game from either of them, including games that have not come out yet (Balders gate 3, cyberpunk 2077 etc). You can then also play those same games on extremely old ipad 2's, or on cell phones etc (with blue tooth controllers to boot). While there is a monthly cost ($10 for stadia, think it's $30 for shadow but it gives you a full PC to use...although no games), stadia at least also gives you a ton of games for that price.....which is going to be WAY less expensive then buying a console and new games (or even used ones).

In a year, shelling out $400+ bucks for a new console and $60 a game....might...maybe still make sense (if enough good games and especially exclusives are released), in 3 years if Stadia does stick around, and people are used to it.....I doubt many people will shell out significant money if they can basically play games anywhere they want for $10 a month.
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wolfy42 posted...

Switching to solid state drives etc is not really going to make any difference on the games we can play with the new consoles, in fact, you could just use external solid state drives and sell them if you really wanted to.

The new Xbox (and I assume Playststion) is being built entirely around the fact that it has a new SSD. The hardware takes advantage of this dramatic improvement over the HDD. Games will be designed to take advantage of it's lightning fast access times. It should nearly eliminate load times. Except in the next Destiny. It wouldn't be Destiny without stupid long load times.

While you can simply slap an SSD onto a current system and notice some performance boost. These systems and games are all built around the HDD. They don't fully utilize the capabilities of the SDD which has access times that are dramatically faster than that of a traditional HDD.

Bulbasaur posted...

because they aren't necessary and people can't see more than 30fps anyways

This claim is just plain laughable.

wolfy, you probably haven't heard, but the fact that google has to invent a new technology to guess what you're going to try and do on the stadia, means it sucks.

the latency required to stream games is too low, far too low than anything any internet in america can reliably do.
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From what I have heard Shadow already lets you play games just fine, even FPS games, but I have not tried it myself. I believe the latency is supposed to be pretty low...but they are aiming for this.

"But latency is the thing that gets the most attention. And while it's already proven to be more than playable, [Madj Bakar, VP of Engineering] expects further improvements. "Ultimately, we think, in a year or two, we'll have games that are running faster and feel more responsive in the cloud that they do locally, regardless of how powerful the local machine is," he claims. These improvements will come via a term which sounds rather slippery. "Negative latency" is a concept by which Stadia can set up a game with a buffer of predicted latency between the server and player, and then use various methods to undercut it. It can run the game at a super-fast framerate so it can act on player inputs earlier, or it can predict a player's button presses. These tricks can help the game feel more responsive, potentially more so than a console game running locally at 30fps with a wireless controller."

From what I understand you need something like 15mgbps to connect to stadia at full speed and then you get download times at something like 1 gig ps (unless I'm mixing that up with shadow). The current latency might possibly be an issue for online FPS games but not really for anything else (and they are working on that as mentioned above).

As far as knowing what you are going to be playing/doing, it's a freaking game system, why the heck does anyone care if google knows what games they are going to play? I don't actually care if google knows EVERYTHING I'm going to be doing...in fact, I do most everythign using google already, so they already know if they want lol.
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Bulbasaur posted...

just try and play a psnow game.

was actually going to try this myself for a month since the price has dropped. it was pretty shit a couple years ago, so i wanted to see if anything has improved, ok?
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Anyway, until it actually releases we really won't know. Combine the soon to be unlimited 4g speeds (After 5g becomes common) which is 15mbps or faster with only need 15mbps to get the full speed out of stadia/shadow etc, and you have unlimited gaming anywhere (potentially VR gaming as well).

I wouldn't be surprised to see a cellphone that has an adjustable screen size in the near future. It folds down to the size of a current phone and can be used like that, but can also be expanded or folded out to a more laptop like size for better gaming/movie watching etc. Portable plug in screens could also be used (plug it into a port on a cell phone to watch on a larger screen that rolls up and can be hung from chairs/walls a stand you bring with you etc.

Previously to game on the go, you needed either a hand held console.....or to bring a full system with you. That may no longer be the case pretty soon, and people will be able to play any full game, anywhere they go....just basically needing a cell phone, and some kind of screen to play on. That will mostly make hand held portable consoles obsolete, and....to a large degree, other consoles as well (just because of how cheap/easy it will be to access the full pc catalog from anywhere.
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Bulbasaur posted...

wolfy, you probably haven't heard, but the fact that google has to invent a new technology to guess what you're going to try and do on the stadia, means it sucks.

the latency required to stream games is too low, far too low than anything any internet in america can reliably do.

just try and play a psnow game.

Ive actually heard good things about psnow lately
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Aculo posted...

Bulbasaur posted...

just try and play a psnow game.

was actually going to try this myself for a month since the price has dropped. it was pretty shit a couple years ago, so i wanted to see if anything has improved, ok?

Don't bother, PSnow's latency is horrid. It's nothing like Shadow or supposedly Stadia is going to be. Shadow can play FPS online games fine from what I have heard.

It depends on how far you are from the local datacenter for shadow but...here is a post from someone using it for FPS games online.

"Luckily Im at only 8ms from the datacenter so playing fps is the same as local machine. Love how easy it is."

You could never even consider thinking about doing that with psnow lol......so there is no comparison. I'm imagining that google isn't going to release something WORSE then shadow (would be an epic waste of money), therefore, you should be able to do similar things with it's service as well.
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Mead posted...

Bulbasaur posted...

wolfy, you probably haven't heard, but the fact that google has to invent a new technology to guess what you're going to try and do on the stadia, means it sucks.

the latency required to stream games is too low, far too low than anything any internet in america can reliably do.

just try and play a psnow game.

Ive actually heard good things about psnow lately

I heard that they speeds have improved, but latency is still a problem....and that you can actually tell the difference between pressing a button, and when an action goes through. That is bad for any game (not so much for RPGs I guess), but would make an FPS game unplayable (at least multiplayer).
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Oh, looks like extendable and/or dual screen cell phones are already a thing....might need to get one soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpdR-bdV08c" data-time="

But yeah, there were other options then this, and that is before there is even a big need for them yet.

If Stadia doesn't flop (which I admit is a possibility..they are not doing things very smart in more then one way).....I predict that cell phones that have/provide wider screens/viewing will become quite popular (not to mention when everyone can watch as many movies/tv shows etc as they want on them due to unlimited 15 mbps data streaming).
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I wouldn't say we NEED new consoles already but I'm not against them coming out. I can buy whenever I feel it's worth buying so it's no big deal to me. PS4 still has life in it and most games will be cross gen for at least a year after PS5 is out so meh.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

also, I really learned my lesson with buying consoles early on. No games, too expensive, hardware issues and they always release a superior, cheaper version of the console like 2 years into its lifespan when it actually starts building a decent library.
so in my eyes, the ps5 isnt out until 2022

Sums it up. PS5 Pro will be a thing so.
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This summarizes why I think stadia will flop pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmzkaDoxhk" data-time="

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wolfy42 posted...

Even if Stadia flops, the tech is out there (Shadow even already exists), so all PC games will effectively be portable pretty soon (if they are not already).

Meanwhile the diff between PC and console games have pretty much evaporated and many if not most PC games now are better with a controller, not keyboard and mouse (but it's still nice to have the option).

Thats all good. But probably not enough o make people switch from a console to pc...

wolfy42 posted...

Exclusives are great, but in general you need more then just exclusives to make a system sell, especially once you have SO MANY similar types of games on other systems/pc at this point.

Tell that to Nintendo. Though, those exclusives seem to work for them...

wolfy42 posted...

I don't see it being as much of a thing. PS and Nintendo might eventually get enough exclusives to make it worth a purchase...especially if they actually release systems next year, but 3-4 years from now? I just can't see there not being so many games of the same type available on PC, that you can play anywhere, with a very cheap system even....that it would make sense to buy a console.

Nintendo has built an empire on exclusives. And they probably arent selling any time soon. People will still have a reason to buy Nintendo. And while Sony has less exclusives, the ones they have are really good. So, theyll be fine, too... As long as they dont sell those exclusives... Not to mention, some would buy the systems that most of their friends have...
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

This summarizes why I think stadia will flop pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmzkaDoxhk" data-time="

I actually contacted google and brought up a few of the early points in that video. Primarily the severe lack of games when it first launches, which may cause it to not do very well initially. I would suggest that they actually release the system a month or so before cyberpunk 2077 or balders gate 3 etc, a big release that people can play on their system, anywhere, and try for half the cost of buying the game new (or less).

Few things they may have missed though, Stadia is not in direct competition with PC games, since it seems like it will have full access to all of them. It has listed all of the big game releases coming out for PC in the near future, and with such a cheap cost per month, even paying for a full year at $120 is significantly less then you would pay just for 2 titles (After taxes etc).

The ability to then play Balders gate 3 on your tv, your ipad, you cell phone (maybe dual screen) etc, alone is pretty awesome (and any minor latency issues are not as important for RPG games...and hopefully are going to be fixed up as more servers go up etc....the latency has everything to do with distance from the servers, so in beta testing right now.....there is probably more latency then there will be at release).

I brought up the latency issue, the games issue (really think they are releasing it at a bad time...most people will have gotten borederlands 3 who want it, and they have pretty much nothing else to grab peoples attention (they did have one exclusive I was looking forward to though, think it was the ORC tower defense game part 3..forget it's name).

Waaay better if they released it say at the start of a month that a big game was being released, so they could get the kinks out in the first few weeks, and then in the same month people already paid for, they get a big game as well. I think a ton of people would jump on board and give it a try since it's so cheap to do so (less then buying that game in fact).

Might be that those games/studios themselves didn't want that though, since it would obviously impact their direct sales drastically in such a case.

Exclusives are still the primary reason to get consoles, but...for many it hasn't been enough. As the video stated, the PS4 won this generation pretty easily. The Xbox one didn't really (At this point) have ANY exclusives I cared about (I'm an rpg/platform type player...not FPS at all). PS4 had a few, but I am so freaking overwhelmed with PC games at this point that I don't even load it up for Beatsaber etc (I have like 20 VR games I have not touched, never played FFXV, Persona 5 etc).

A bunch of stuff still needs to be figured out as well. Can you/will you be able to play your steam games through Stadia....like you can from shadow? Nobody wants to pay for both. If you can't that will certainly restrict it's usefulness (although at $10 a month and such a huge number of games eventually (from what I understand they are just adding more, not taking them away) it is still probably worth keeping.

Will stadia eventually incorporate VR as well? You can already convert cell phones into a VR device, which could be a big selling point right there. Not only don't you need expensive consoles or PCs, but now you don't need expensive VR systems either.

The video meanwhile was fairly negative, and didn't hit on a major point, which is that Stadia is very very cheap to use/try, and therefore it doesn't have to hit it out of the park right away. It's a new (mainly) service and way to play games, that could grow over time and eventually kill most other methods. It's almost definately not going to do so right away....but it could also DRASTICALLY reduce sales of the ps5 even just a year from now.
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LinkPizza posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Even if Stadia flops, the tech is out there (Shadow even already exists), so all PC games will effectively be portable pretty soon (if they are not already).

Meanwhile the diff between PC and console games have pretty much evaporated and many if not most PC games now are better with a controller, not keyboard and mouse (but it's still nice to have the option).

Thats all good. But probably not enough o make people switch from a console to pc...

wolfy42 posted...

Exclusives are great, but in general you need more then just exclusives to make a system sell, especially once you have SO MANY similar types of games on other systems/pc at this point.

Tell that to Nintendo. Though, those exclusives seem to work for them...

wolfy42 posted...

I don't see it being as much of a thing. PS and Nintendo might eventually get enough exclusives to make it worth a purchase...especially if they actually release systems next year, but 3-4 years from now? I just can't see there not being so many games of the same type available on PC, that you can play anywhere, with a very cheap system even....that it would make sense to buy a console.

Nintendo has built an empire on exclusives. And they probably arent selling any time soon. People will still have a reason to buy Nintendo. And while Sony has less exclusives, the ones they have are really good. So, theyll be fine, too... As long as they dont sell those exclusives... Not to mention, some would buy the systems that most of their friends have...

Less people are buying nintendo, or keeping it, then in the past, and that was without a really good alternative for portable gaming (3ds/switch).

I bought one, and eventually returned it and sold my game, because there just isn't enough games on the switch for me (and I have a Wii/Wii U for older games).

There are only a few games on the system (I already played oddysey) that I would actually get/enjoy (if I had freaking time), that are not available on PC at this point (octopath etc).

I did not like the small screen on the portable switch, playing odeysey on it sucked.

Wii U was also a total and complete waste, with just the Mario game really being worth it to me.

The Wii system was actually the last Nintendo system I feel was worth purchasing (for me).

PS4 is certainly worth it, and I don't regret buying the original or upgrading to the Pro. I don't regret buying the PS VR either...all very worthwhile.

But yeah, if Stadia works fairly well, and I can play games on the go (same games I play at home), I don't see anything that Ps5 can release at this point that would convince me to buy the system. I bought the PS4 primarily for Kingdom Hearts III which took forver to release...and I still have not finished.

I would of course go buy a ps4 now for all the games that are available...but would I buy one at this point in the first year or two of release......nope....and I doubt I will for the ps5...even if Stadia flops....because I just don't play my ps4 enough and I have YEARS of games in my backlog on it already.

So yeah...stadia costing only $10 a month and you can pretty much choose to stop paying for it (like netflix etc) and start again when something else releases.....it's pretty much perfect for me, and will be for many other people who have waaaay to many games but want to play a few new releases etc.
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wolfy42 posted...

Less people are buying nintendo, or keeping it, then in the past, and that was without a really good alternative for portable gaming (3ds/switch).

Really? I thought the switch was crazy popular
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wolfy42 posted...

Less people are buying nintendo

...compared to when?
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wolfy42 posted...

That will mostly make hand held portable consoles obsolete, and....to a large degree, other consoles as well (just because of how cheap/easy it will be to access the full pc catalog from anywhere.

I dont see that happening anytime soon. The only real handheld competition would be Nintendo. And I dont see them being obsolete anytime soon. Theres no reason it would be...

And if its only accessing the PC catalog, its no better than a laptop. People play other systems for the exclusives. And they probably wont just give those away...

wolfy42 posted...

Might be that those games/studios themselves didn't want that though, since it would obviously impact their direct sales drastically in such a case.

That might cause a lot of games to not be on it, as well...

Mead posted...

Really? I thought the switch was crazy popular

Aculo posted...

...compared to when?

Both of these...

wolfy42 posted...

Less people are buying nintendo, or keeping it, then in the past, and that was without a really good alternative for portable gaming (3ds/switch).

I bought one, and eventually returned it and sold my game, because there just isn't enough games on the switch for me (and I have a Wii/Wii U for older games).

There are only a few games on the system (I already played oddysey) that I would actually get/enjoy (if I had freaking time), that are not available on PC at this point (octopath etc).

I did not like the small screen on the portable switch, playing odeysey on it sucked.

Wii U was also a total and complete waste, with just the Mario game really being worth it to me.

The Wii system was actually the last Nintendo system I feel was worth purchasing (for me).

PS4 is certainly worth it, and I don't regret buying the original or upgrading to the Pro. I don't regret buying the PS VR either...all very worthwhile.

But yeah, if Stadia works fairly well, and I can play games on the go (same games I play at home), I don't see anything that Ps5 can release at this point that would convince me to buy the system. I bought the PS4 primarily for Kingdom Hearts III which took forver to release...and I still have not finished.

I would of course go buy a ps4 now for all the games that are available...but would I buy one at this point in the first year or two of release......nope....and I doubt I will for the ps5...even if Stadia flops....because I just don't play my ps4 enough and I have YEARS of games in my backlog on it already.

So yeah...stadia costing only $10 a month and you can pretty much choose to stop paying for it (like netflix etc) and start again when something else releases.....it's pretty much perfect for me, and will be for many other people who have waaaay to many games but want to play a few new releases etc.

Some of the first issues seem more personal to you. You didnt like the small screen, but others are fine with it. Or there werent enough games for you, but there were for others. You didnt like the Wii U, but other people did. Just like how I dont care for Stadia, while you do. It comes down to preference a lot of the time... Just because you donr care for the exclusives doesnt mean others wont...
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wolfy42 posted...

So yeah...stadia costing only $10 a month and you can pretty much choose to stop paying for it (like netflix etc) and start again when something else releases.....it's pretty much perfect for me, and will be for many other people who have waaaay to many games but want to play a few new releases etc.

Also this. It doesnt really matter much. Youre saying itll make other game options obsolete. But that means this would be most peoples main form of gaming, meaning there wouldnt be a reason for the majority or players to stop paying like NetFlix. The people who stop paying and wait for other games to come out would most likely play other systems. Meaning the other systems wouldnt be obsolete. Its not really important. It just seems like trying to play both sides of the field is all...
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Mead posted...

Really? I thought the switch was crazy popular

It is lol
hes wrong

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Mead posted...

Really? I thought the switch was crazy popular

It is lol
hes wrong

I think its more than he didnt like it that much. Which is fine. But he cant say its not a popular system just because he didnt like it...
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Hmmm, maybe it has changed, I thought the switch was not selling well...but that may have been a few years ago.

And I don't neccesarily like Stadia, I have not tried it yet, and honestly it makes me think of the sugar from breaking bad that Walt used to kill that girl......not sure if it's safe to try it!!

But I like the possibility of Stadia, of moving away from buying games and systems, and just having access to them everywhere. I can see it having a hand in making VR more common/popular and eventually having really good portable MMO's etc.

It's another piece to the puzzle. I don't know if it will work out, be popular, take over, or flop. I just think it does have potential and it could possibly be a console killer (not that it will).

As far as people taking a break like with netflix, well, you have a gazillion free games to play still, and all the games you already owned, and you could still buy individual pc games to play when not paying a monthly fee etc. The point is that you could also just pay $10 whenever a new game, or games, come out that you want to play, instead of paying $60+ for it.

If for instance Balders gate III and Cyberpunk 2077 came out within a month of each other, you could pay for a month that included both releases and play them both (and at least ensure you really like them) for only $10....and then if you know your gonna play one of em for a few thousand hours (or both), just purchase the game at that point.....or you could just pay for 2-3 months, play them both to death, and then stop subscribing until the next time somethign really good came out (at which point you could play either of them again as well).

Anyway I don't work for google, and I'm not SURE that stadia is going to be great, I just hope it is, and I can see potential for it to be so.
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Aculo posted...

wolfy42 posted...

Less people are buying nintendo

...compared to when?

well if he didn't like it, everyone else must not like it either, despite facts proving otherwise
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I personally dont like the streaming. Things can easily get removed because of contrast running out and stuff. Like how Ducktales is out of the store, IIRC. Not to mention, I like being able to play when they is no internet. Like in certain rooms on base. Not even my phone connects in those places. The building is built like that. So, playing a streaming game wouldnt really be possible there...

Stadia may be worth trying if they have a free trial. Other than that, I probably wont bother. Its not something I personally find appealing...

I also dont see it being a console killer. It has the potential to do anything. But I think it will flop. Though, if it doesnt, I still dont see it killing any console. If it did kill one, it would probably be XBox...

For the price, it depends how many hours you put in over a certain amount of time. A $60 one time fee isnt bad. As soon as you play for 7 months, its a $70 game if thats all you play. Especially since a lot of people dont have that much fee time with jobs and a family and stuff. It just depends on how much time you have. Once you pay for a month, you have it all month. Even if you only got to play a few times for not very long. Id feel rushed to play. And would feel like I wasted my money for some months...

Buying it allows me to play it where I want, when I want, and all the time rather than having to make sure I have it back on for that month. And I know I have it, and that it going away wont matter...
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