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DBFZ having the most disappointing roster in fighting games isn't a good argument. EVERYTHING is better than DBFZ

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Mechanically, it's the best Dragonball anything in video games and yet it's so over reliant on the dozens of Gokus and Vegetas plaguing the roster.

smh

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How are Corrin, Robin, Lucina, and Ike clones of each other?

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Jashin_Sama posted...

How are Corrin, Robin, Lucina, and Ike clones of each other?

They're not. Only ignorant people would say that, either not knowing better or attempting to antagonize people who actually like the FE characters.
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Jashin_Sama posted...

How are Corrin, Robin, Lucina, and Ike clones of each other?

They're not, but you're also conveniently leaving out Marth and Roy who are very similar to Lucina, and Chrom who is very much like Ike.

People who make this argument also never consider that a humanoid weapon user can only be so varied in moveset, and when compared to the rest of the roster adding another is extremely boring, even if they don't have identical move sets. No amount of variety in sword hitbox and frame data is going to compete with something that isn't "person with weapon"

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s0nicfan posted...

They're not, but you're also conveniently leaving out Marth and Roy who are very similar to Lucina, and Chrom who is very much like Ike.

I didn't conveniently leave anything out, because the argument is that there are "7 or 8" clones, and if 4 of them aren't clones then that kinda destroys the entire point trying to be made about Fire Emblem. I never said there aren't clones, I asked how over half of the Fire Emblem roster is clones, and the answer apparently is that they aren't.

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Jashin_Sama posted...

I didn't conveniently leave anything out, because the argument is that there are "7 or 8" clones, and if 4 of them aren't clones then that kinda destroys the entire point trying to be made about Fire Emblem. I never said there aren't clones, I asked how over half of the Fire Emblem roster is clones, and the answer apparently is that they aren't.

Marth, Roy, Lucina, Chrom, and Ike are very similar. You can separate out Chrom and Ike as their own pair if you want, but they're still just guys with swords who happen to be slower and hit harder, and Chrom is more or less half Ike and half Marth anyway.

Corrin, Robin, Byleth, are unique with unique movesets and play differently enough, but they're still just "people with weapons" and, again, compared to the variety in the rest of the roster aren't very inspired.

Like... you clearly understand what the complaint is, but you've decided to fixate on "well technically it's not half" for some reason. Are you personally happy with the roster having 8 FE characters, many (or most) of which are extremely similar, or are you also unhappy and just want to be contrarian for the sake of it?

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Why did you count Ike twice to slant the numbers in favor of your point?

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Jashin_Sama posted...

Why did you count Ike twice to slant the numbers in favor of your point?

It was a typo meant to be Roy. Gonna address the rest of the post?

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s0nicfan posted...

People who make this argument also never consider that a humanoid weapon user can only be so varied in moveset, and when compared to the rest of the roster adding another is extremely boring, even if they don't have identical move sets. No amount of variety in sword hitbox and frame data is going to compete with something that isn't "person with weapon"

s0nicfan posted...

Corrin, Robin, Byleth, are unique with unique movesets and play differently enough, but they're still just "people with weapons" and, again, compared to the variety in the rest of the roster aren't very inspired.

Robin is a sword user who also uses magic spells. Corrin is a sword user who also transforms parts of him/herself into a dragon. Byleth is a sword user who also wields a lance, an axe, and a bow. How in the world are those not drastically different that the other FE characters?

By that same logic of yours, Joker is just a sword user who also has a gun, but I sure didn't hear anyone bring up the "just another sword user" argument when he was announced. Hero is another sword user who also uses magic spells, but I didn't hear anyone angrily calling him a "Robin clone" when he was announced. So that argument is complete bullshit and you know it.
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Calwings posted...

By that same logic of yours, Joker is just a sword user who also has a gun, but I sure didn't hear anyone bring up the "just another sword user" argument when he was announced. Hero is another sword user who also uses magic spells, but I didn't hear anyone angrily calling him a "Robin clone" when he was announced. So that argument is complete bullshit and you know it.

Go ahead... address the rest of the post
s0nicfan posted...

Like... you clearly understand what the complaint is, but you've decided to fixate on "well technically it's not half" for some reason. Are you personally happy with the roster having 8 FE characters, many (or most) of which are extremely similar, or are you also unhappy and just want to be contrarian for the sake of it?

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s0nicfan posted...

It was a typo meant to be Roy. Gonna address the rest of the post?

I dunno, it just seemed kinda 'coincidental' that you counted him twice~!

But what you're saying isn't relevant to my point. The complaint was that Byleth, Corrin, Robin, Lucina, and Ike are clones of each other. I asked how they were clones of one another. You said they aren't. What more is there to be said? The initial complaint was false. It doesn't matter that Lucina and Roy are clones of Marth or that Chrom is kinda-sorta-maybe a halfway clone of Ike and of Marth, because that still means that Marth/Robin/Corrin/Byleth/Ike are solid and Lucina/Roy/Chrom are clones. 5/3 is a solid breakdown.

And anyway, Fire Emblem has the second-largest pool of characters to draw from among Nintendo 1st Party titles, second only to Pokemon (if we count every single Pokemon in the Pokedex as an individual draw for them to choose from), so it isn't outrageous that it would be the most represented in their game. Especially when the character they added was the main character from their highly successful award-winning recently released game. But what do I know? It should have totally been Doom Guy so Nintendo can draw attention to a game they didn't make instead.

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I agree that DBFZ has way too many variants of Goku and Vegeta. Like holy crap theres a shit ton of other Dragon Ball characters to pick from and they limit themselves like that. But they all play differently. Cant say the same about the echo fighters in smash.

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Also, you totally made up what the complaint was. The initial image literally cited the complaint that those characters are clones.

"How many layers of clone are you on?"
"Like 7 or 8 right now my dude."

And in you come with "Well actually the complaint in the image isn't that they're clones but that they're all from the same franchise!"

Like, how would I get that from the image in the first post?

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s0nicfan posted...

Go ahead... address the rest of the post

s0nicfan posted...

Like... you clearly understand what the complaint is, but you've decided to fixate on "well technically it's not half" for some reason. Are you personally happy with the roster having 8 FE characters, many (or most) of which are extremely similar, or are you also unhappy and just want to be contrarian for the sake of it?

If it were up to me, there wouldn't be 8 Fire Emblem characters because there wouldn't be 4 Marths. The FE reps should be Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth, all of which have completely unique movesets. That's the important part. If Roy, Lucina, and Chrom weren't clogging things up being clones of Marth, I would guess that there would be far less anger toward Byleth's inclusion in the game. But you can blame the "EVERYONE IS HERE!" proclamation for Roy and Lucina returning for Ultimate, and Chrom is just completely unnecessary.

My problem is with the three Marth clones, not with any of the other FE characters. For reference, I also think having both Young Link and Toon Link in addition to the regular Link is fucking stupid too. But again, you can blame "EVERYONE IS HERE!" for that.
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The problem with fire emblem isn't how similar any of them may be, it is simply just how many fire emblem characters there are. Even if they all were unique in playstyle, people would still whine about perceived Fire Emblem over representation.

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